New round about/Traffic circle law?? [Archive]

placidfemme

14th June 2005, 08:25

James Deuce

14th June 2005, 08:33

Hiya

My partner and I are going to sit our restricteds soon in Browns Bay, and I was looking around to find the new law regarding indicating at round abouts, and couldn't find what I was looking for...

So if anyone can please explain the new law to me that would be great.

Also, if anyone has done thier restricted in Browns Bay, any tips would be helpful :)

Thanks in advance :)

You have to indicate the direction you are leaving a roundabout.

It is that simple. You do not have to indicate as you enter a roundabout if you are going straight through, but you must at least attempt to indicate on exit.

Example - going straight through a roundabout. Do not indicate as you approach. Indicate left once you are level with the left exit. Don't forget to turn your indicator off. You probably won't be able to comply with the 3 second warning rule, but don't worry about that.

Good luck!

bear

14th June 2005, 08:36

You have to indicate the direction you are leaving a roundabout.

It is that simple. You do not have to indicate as you enter a roundabout if you are going straight through, but you must at least attempt to indicate on exit.

Example - going straight through a roundabout. Do not indicate as you approach. Indicate left once you are level with the left exit. Don't forget to turn your indicator off. You probably won't be able to comply with the 3 second warning rule, but don't worry about that.

Good luck!

Agree, so why do wankers indicate right when they enter a roundabout to go straight ahead, and then not left after they pass the last exit before exiting themselves?!? Even saw a cop doing it the other week.

James Deuce

14th June 2005, 08:38

Agree, so why do wankers indicate right when they enter a roundabout to go straight ahead, and then not left after they pass the last exit before exiting themselves?!? Even saw a cop doing it the other week.

Because they just don't understand, plus the public education efforts were nil. Apparently we have an obligation to stay up with Road Code changes without any real requirement to do so. This law has been around since 1999 I think, but only recently became an offence with demerits attached.

Devil

14th June 2005, 08:43

This law has been around since 1999 I think, but only recently became an offence with demerits attached.
I have the feeling that it might even be older than that. Nothing has changed regarding the rules.

All you need to know is what Jim mentioned initially.

ps: Your mother was a hampster and your father smells of elderberries. Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time.

Krayy

14th June 2005, 08:48

Because they just don't understand, plus the public education efforts were nil....
Christ, wait until they change the give way rules to "Give way to left turning traffic". I almost got stung by that one in the land of Oz when I first moved over there. And the Aussies were so helpful in pointing out the mistake by judicious use of the horn.

spudchucka

14th June 2005, 08:48

spudchucka

14th June 2005, 08:53

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/road-user-safety/new-road-rules/

Scroll down the page. Anyone that can't get the hang of it should have their licence jambed up their arsehole.

Devil

14th June 2005, 09:01

placidfemme

14th June 2005, 09:49

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/road-user-safety/new-road-rules/

Scroll down the page. Anyone that can't get the hang of it should have their licence jambed up their arsehole.

Sweet thank you. I've always indicated when leaving the round about when going straight... and we moved nearly 2 months ago and now I havn't been through a round about for 2 months and just needed to make sure... don't want to fail over something as small as indicating...

Just another question... can anyone tell me how the Restricted works... do they give you a mic/head set so they can tell you what to do, or do they give you directions and then follow you?

MSTRS

14th June 2005, 09:58

bear

14th June 2005, 10:07

...Just another question... can anyone tell me how the Restricted works... do they give you a mic/head set so they can tell you what to do, or do they give you directions and then follow you?

Directions and then follow you. They're only brief directions though before you pull over and get the next set.

Devil

14th June 2005, 10:08

Just another question... can anyone tell me how the Restricted works... do they give you a mic/head set so they can tell you what to do, or do they give you directions and then follow you?
Before you leave they will (should) explain the route to you. THen along the way, they will indicate well in advance so you can see in your mirrors, which way you should be going.
I did mine around the browns bay area, told the guy my mirrors were crap.He explained it well, I knew the roads so there was no problem.

edit: My guy explained the complete route to me. If you cant handle that many instructions you better be watching for those indicators!

sAsLEX

14th June 2005, 10:15

they will indicate well in advance so you can see in your mirrors,

I get a good view of elbow in mine! On my restricted couldn't see the way he was indicating and took a wrong turn which cut the test in half, he didn't seem to mind.

placidfemme

14th June 2005, 10:22

Thank you everyone :) At least now I know what to expect :)

Lou Girardin

14th June 2005, 10:28

It seems that the 'new' rule is so confusing that people have stopped indicating entirely.

placidfemme

14th June 2005, 11:06

It seems that the 'new' rule is so confusing that people have stopped indicating entirely.

lol thats correct... Since they had it on the news I've noticed that less people indicated... or maybe the nations just got dumber...

Beemer

14th June 2005, 11:15

Someone posted a good interpretation of the roundabout rules recently, apologies as I can't remember who!

"If turning right, indicate right; if turning left, indicate left; if going straight, indicate on exit".

I think most people followed this as a matter of common courtesy - if someone is waiting to enter the roundabout and would have to give way to you, then you should be indicating to show you are leaving the roundabout before you get to them.

As for the restricted, I was worried about all the instructions too, but I was given mine in 'bites' so I had to do something and go for a short while then pull over and the tester would tell me the next part. The only thing I got pulled up on was for going too slow - my RG's speedo read very high so I was sticking to that and it was obviously slower than I thought!

zadok

14th June 2005, 11:17

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/road-user-safety/new-road-rules/

Scroll down the page. Anyone that can't get the hang of it should have their licence jambed up their arsehole.
This is it. The main difference is that if you intend going off at 270 degrees (right) you indicate right as you are approaching the iintersection, turn off the indicator when you have entered the iintersection and then indicate again 90 degrees before the exit.
The same rule has been brought in here fairly recently.
In the 'OLD DAYS' you indicated left only, 90 degrees form your exit (simple).

Devil

14th June 2005, 11:39

This is it. The main difference is that if you intend going off at 270 degrees (right) you indicate right as you are approaching the iintersection, turn off the indicator when you have entered the iintersection and then indicate again 90 degrees before the exit.
The same rule has been brought in here fairly recently.
In the 'OLD DAYS' you indicated left only, 90 degrees form your exit (simple).
Errr, that's not quite correct.
You indicate right going into the round about and KEEP indicating right while going through the roundabout then indicate left 90 degrees (assuming a 4 entrypoint roundabout) before your exit.

Ixion

14th June 2005, 11:46

Errr, that's not quite correct.
You indicate right going into the round about and KEEP indicating right while going through the roundabout then indicate left 90 degrees (assuming a 4 entrypoint roundabout) before your exit.

It works fine for nice simple 0, 90, 180, 270 degree roundabouts.

Gets trickier if you are entering at 6 o'clock, and the exits are 8 o'clock, 10 o'clock, 2 o'clock, and 4 o'clock . The 8 o'clock is OK, just indicate left. But what about the 10 o'clock. Is it straight through. If not what do I indicate? I don't want to indicate left as I enter, because then the car waiting to come out of the 8 o'clock will think I'm going down there and pull out in front of me. In practice I'd treat 10 o'clock and the 2 o'clock as both straight ahead . But Mr Plod could argue that they're not.

zadok

14th June 2005, 11:53

Errr, that's not quite correct.
You indicate right going into the round about and KEEP indicating right while going through the roundabout then indicate left 90 degrees (assuming a 4 entrypoint roundabout) before your exit.
I dare say you are right, and I am happy with that, but the pic on the web site shows no flashes there for a while. The main thing is you indicate right now when you never before. :ride:

Devil

14th June 2005, 14:11

It works fine for nice simple 0, 90, 180, 270 degree roundabouts.

Gets trickier if you are entering at 6 o'clock, and the exits are 8 o'clock, 10 o'clock, 2 o'clock, and 4 o'clock . The 8 o'clock is OK, just indicate left. But what about the 10 o'clock. Is it straight through. If not what do I indicate? I don't want to indicate left as I enter, because then the car waiting to come out of the 8 o'clock will think I'm going down there and pull out in front of me. In practice I'd treat 10 o'clock and the 2 o'clock as both straight ahead . But Mr Plod could argue that they're not.
Yep, commonsense SHOULD prevail. Depends on the shape of the roundabout, mr 10 o'clock could be considered a straight ahead.

SuperDave

14th June 2005, 14:29

Just another question... can anyone tell me how the Restricted works... do they give you a mic/head set so they can tell you what to do, or do they give you directions and then follow you?

How they work you see if very simple. Firstly they take an middle aged women who has never driven a motorbike before. This women who is apparently able to decide whether you can ride or not gives you a few directions and then tells you to pull over once you have completed them. She then continues to do the same thing about 4 times and then it's back to the starting point where she, as the most suitable judge of you being able to ride a bike will write out your temporary paper restricted licence.

Don't be suprised if you have to pull over and wait for the testing officer because they are too slow to turn into the traffic flow and you leave them behind. The testing officer might also reprimand you for not indicating out of a circle which is nothing more than a stupid 1 metre tree poking out of the asphalt.

YES the restricted test is a load of shit. :yes:

placidfemme

14th June 2005, 14:32

How they work you see if very simple. Firstly they take an middle aged women who has never driven a motorbike before. This women who is apparently able to decide whether you can ride or not gives you a few directions and then tells you to pull over once you have completed them. She then continues to do the same thing about 4 times and then it's back to the starting point where she, as the most suitable judge of you being able to ride a bike will write out your temporary paper restricted licence.

Don't be suprised if you have to pull over and wait for the testing officer because they are too slow to turn into the traffic flow and you leave them behind. The testing officer might also reprimand you for not indicating out of a circle which is nothing more than a stupid 1 metre tree poking out of the asphalt.

YES the restricted test is a load of shit. :yes:

lol thank you :)

Where else in the world do you have to sit 3 different tests to prove you can ride a bike? Or even a car for the matter?

But it should be all good :)

SuperDave

14th June 2005, 14:43

lol thank you :)

Where else in the world do you have to sit 3 different tests to prove you can ride a bike? Or even a car for the matter?

But it should be all good :)

To be honest I have no problem with the graduated license system and the three tests. I do however have a problem with my examiner of my practical restricted test having no experience with motorcyles and thus being in no position to judge.

Someone on the site a while back commented and said that she was testing me to see if I knew the road rules well enough and followed them suitably to be granted my restricted. My response to this is that I thought I proved that when I did my class 1 full licence and passed first time.

Sounds like a money making machine to me :yes:

But yeah, good luck for it, just don't speed and you will be fine :niceone:

peterjdaly

14th June 2005, 19:44

I was ent this recently. It arrived at the same time the law changed here, so I had a smile as wide as a wide thing when I pondered the insanity of traffic engineers worldwide. Have a laugh, I know I did.

Skyryder

14th June 2005, 20:56

Christ, wait until they change the give way rules to "Give way to left turning traffic". I almost got stung by that one in the land of Oz when I first moved over there. And the Aussies were so helpful in pointing out the mistake by judicious use of the horn.

There was talk of bringing that one back in but it has been shelved. Should never have been changed in the first place, but since this country is used for so many experimental ideas I expect it will stay that way.

Incedently is this roundabout law, In force in other countries or is it a kiwi first? Anyone know.

Skyryder

PS I think I may have found a defence that may be applicable on some roundabouts.

James Deuce

14th June 2005, 21:33

There was talk of bringing that one back in but it has been shelved. Should never have been changed in the first place, but since this country is used for so many experimental ideas I expect it will stay that way.

Incedently is this roundabout law, In force in other countries or is it a kiwi first? Anyone know.

Skyryder

PS I think I may have found a defence that may be applicable on some roundabouts.

It's in force in the UK, but the roundabouts there are usually much bigger and the drivers much more polite.

zooter

16th June 2005, 22:11

I dare say you are right, and I am happy with that, but the pic on the web site shows no flashes there for a while. The main thing is you indicate right now when you never before. :ride:
WTF. This is just confusing.
Do not indicate right when going straight or you'll go over someones bonnet and it'l be YOUR fault.
Do not trust that a car indicating right is going to take that path and not go straight into you, cause he might be Zadok in his cage and it'll be his fault but you'll be dead.

placidfemme

17th June 2005, 08:05