Moaning aussies

[popelli]

http://www.ducatisti.co.uk/forum/ducati-st3/52726-st3-cracked-crankcases-rear-engine-mount.html

Check out this thread, this guy has bought second hand a high mileage bike thrashed it 2 up fully loaded with the suspensioning bottoming and is now moaning because its broken

[Laava]

True about 34,000 km being high for a Ducati.

[sil3nt]

Wouldn't you moan as well? 34,000 isn't high and its happened to two other bikes in the country. I wouldn't be happy either!

Just flicked through the entire thread. 22 other bikes with the same problem.....

[DEATH_INC.]

It's not an unreasonable complaint. 180kg isn't a lot and 34k is f*ck all.

[White trash]

It's not an unreasonable complaint. 180kg isn't a lot and 34k is f*ck all.

180 kg is three of me.

[yachtie10]

180 kg is three of me.

eat some pies then:yes:

[JMemonic]

True about 34,000 km being high for a Ducati.

Shit really :gob: hell mine must be way past its limits then at 50,000 with 4,000 of those in the last month.

[Laava]

Shit really :gob: hell mine must be way past its limits then at 50,000 with 4,000 of those in the last month.

I say that tongue in cheek really but I once had a Darmah which at 40 odd thou k's was in need of a lot of TLC. Cost me a fortune to keep it going.

[Troll]

what a tosser he is going to end up spending more in legal fees than he paid for the bike

[Latte Committee]

http://www.ducatisti.co.uk/forum/ducati-st3/52726-st3-cracked-crankcases-rear-engine-mount.html

Check out this thread, this guy has bought second hand a high mileage bike
You reckon 34,000 kilometres is HIGH MILEAGE ? ? ? ,,,, I bet no salesperson of ANY vehicle will fess up to their machines being buggered at that sort of distance.


thrashed it
And where do you get the idea and/or proof that I "THRASHED IT" ? ? ?


2 up fully loaded
188kg was the TOTAL LOAD on the bike, that according to the Ducati Owner's Manual is supposed to be rated at 200kg load capacity.
So on my maths, thats 12kg short of "Fully Loaded" ,,,,, or is your maths as bad as your attitude and powers of thought ?


with the suspensioning bottoming
Yep, it bottomed out 5-6 times ,,,, as ANY bike would have done in similar circumstances. In fact there were 2 other ST's amongst the 6 bikes on the trip, and both of those, along with the other 3 bikes also bottomed out as well. Mine was the only one to suffer any damage.


and is now moaning because its broken
YEP ,,,, and so would you, if you knew all the other FACTS ,,, before you posted such an ill informed comment.

[Latte Committee]

what a tosser
I'd rather be a "tosser" than a "Sheep Shagger"


he is going to end up spending more in legal fees than he paid for the bike
NOPE .... Am close to getting it sorted without any legal intrusions.
Simply presented the appropriate people with FACTS, backed up by witnesses, technical data, and laboratory EVIDENCE.
And have 2 government departments queing up to take it further via legislative process.
It all comes down to how you represent the FACTS.

[EJK]

:corn::corn::corn::corn::corn::corn::corn::corn::c orn::corn::corn:

YES WE HAVE A FIGHT!!!! FUCK YEAH!!!! THIS IS GONNA BE GOLD!!!!!!!!

[LBD]

Wot he does not know about is the time the previous owner was rear ended, destroying the rear wheel and swing arm...but is okay because the insurance company replace both with same as original.

[Latte Committee]

:corn::corn::corn::corn::corn::corn::corn::corn::c orn::corn::corn:

YES WE HAVE A FIGHT!!!! FUCK YEAH!!!! THIS IS GONNA BE GOLD!!!!!!!!


NOPE ,,,,, Golden Rule ............
NEVER engage in a Battle of Wits with an unarmed person

[JMemonic]

NOPE ,,,,, Golden Rule ............
NEVER engage in a Battle of Wits with an unarmed person

You really should not have said that so soon in the piece, it displays a lack of understanding about KB that goes beyond your post count, it screams this person has done no research here.

You have entered a land like none other, normal rules do not apply here. This is the interweb where being correct does not not make you right merely another target for someone who mate knows better because he once built a toaster that toasted bread both sides in 30 seconds, the fact he no has no body hair, severe thermal radiation burns and has lost the sight in the eye he opened to see if the job was done will of course never be mentioned.

Anyhow that aside have been kind of following this with interest as I have an '04 that has a few more kilometres on the clock and has had the issue of bottoming out.

[Latte Committee]

You really should not have said that so soon in the piece, it displays a lack of understanding about KB that goes beyond your post count, it screams this person has done no research here.
It doesn't take research to have a sense of humour ,,,,
Motorcyclists are basically the same the world over,,,,, especially down here on the "Bottom side of the world"
I think its the common bond of being seen by the rest of society as being idiots.


You have entered a land like none other, normal rules do not apply here.
Are you saying ...... "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight" ?


This is the interweb where being correct does not not make you right merely another target for someone who mate knows better because he once built a toaster that toasted bread both sides in 30 seconds, the fact he no has no body hair, severe thermal radiation burns and has lost the sight in the eye he opened to see if the job was done will of course never be mentioned.
Did he make a MkII model ? ,,,, coz I'm on the lookout for a new toaster

Anyhow that aside have been kind of following this with interest as I have an '04 that has a few more kilometres on the clock and has had the issue of bottoming out.

MATE (and yes, I do mean that,,, even if you lot do cheat at football to make up for us cheating at cricket)
PLEASE ,,,, have your bike checked
If you can find somebody with an Ultrasound ,,,, GET IT CHECKED.
The fractures can happen in virtually just ONE RIDE.
Visually OK, no indications ,,,,, to BUGGERED, with no logical reason why.
And check the rear engine mounting bolt.
Before removal, check that it was tight when in use.
Then remove the bolt and check that it is STRAIGHT.
A few owners have found their cases OK, but their bolts are curved to the point of placing load on the outer ends of the cases. a SURE sign that a fracture is not far away.
Consider replacing the bolt, no matter how good it might appear to be.
The OEM is soft, and does stretch, especially on bikes of 3+ years and 30,000+ klms.
The Nichols bolt is a good replacement.
The TPO bolt is even better.
OEM is OK if it's a new one.
Whichever bolt, loctite the thread with 242 grade, and torque it to 60nm.

Rear Shock -
If it feels anything less than good, as in a tad spongy, damping & rebound a bit sad, HAVE IT CHECKED and/or SERVICED.

Every bike will bottom out somewhere, sometime.
Most cope with it no problem.
But the Ducati ST series design is VERY suseptable to being VERY EASILY DAMAGED.

Take care my friend, and CHECK THAT BIKE, and KEEP CHECKING IT ,,,,, PLEASE.

[Owl]

even if you lot do cheat at football

Lies lies and more lies!:angry:


us cheating at cricket)

True:D

[NZsarge]

Step away from the Italian machinery and head straight to your local Kawasaki dealer (or Yamaha) :D

[Smokin]

Damn, Thats not good at all, I have a mate with an ST and given the sorry state of our roads its bound to have had a hiding, Ill get him to have a look.

[Latte Committee]

G'day OWL

Hey ,,,, We knew you lot played cricket like a bunch of girls ,,, so we bowled UNDERARM to give ya's a chance :facepalm:
And ya's are still whinging :shit:


Australia must be a half reasonable sort of place ....
Melbourne is the third largest "Greek city"
Bondi is the third largest "Un Zud" city.
I guess you lot congregate there for the great Fush n Chups


Take care my friend, and so long as we all keep smiling, then all is good.

PS; Burt Munro was a LEGEND

[Latte Committee]

Damn, Thats not good at all, I have a mate with an ST and given the sorry state of our roads its bound to have had a hiding, Ill get him to have a look.

PLEASE DO

My efforts in this regard started out as an information gathering exercise, but has now gravitated more towards a PUBLIC AWARENESS CAMPAIGN.
I'd hate to think that anybody got injured or possibly worse, by a problem that could and should have been detected and addressed.

[Owl]

Hey ,,,, We knew you lot played cricket like a bunch of girls ,,, so we bowled UNDERARM to give ya's a chance :facepalm:

Best thing Australia ever did IMO. Hell, we've had nearly 30 years milage out of that one and still going strong:D Not only that, but you delivered your worst ever sporting bungle in a most pleasant manner!:lol:

Anyway, enough shit talk. Best of luck sorting out your Duc!:msn-wink:

[JMemonic]

MATE (and yes, I do mean that,,, even if you lot do cheat at football to make up for us cheating at cricket)
PLEASE ,,,, have your bike checked
If you can find somebody with an Ultrasound ,,,, GET IT CHECKED.
The fractures can happen in virtually just ONE RIDE.
Visually OK, no indications ,,,,, to BUGGERED, with no logical reason why.
And check the rear engine mounting bolt.
Before removal, check that it was tight when in use.
Then remove the bolt and check that it is STRAIGHT.
A few owners have found their cases OK, but their bolts are curved to the point of placing load on the outer ends of the cases. a SURE sign that a fracture is not far away.
Consider replacing the bolt, no matter how good it might appear to be.
The OEM is soft, and does stretch, especially on bikes of 3+ years and 30,000+ klms.
The Nichols bolt is a good replacement.
The TPO bolt is even better.
OEM is OK if it's a new one.
Whichever bolt, loctite the thread with 242 grade, and torque it to 60nm.

Rear Shock -
If it feels anything less than good, as in a tad spongy, damping & rebound a bit sad, HAVE IT CHECKED and/or SERVICED.

Every bike will bottom out somewhere, sometime.
Most cope with it no problem.
But the Ducati ST series design is VERY suseptable to being VERY EASILY DAMAGED.

Take care my friend, and CHECK THAT BIKE, and KEEP CHECKING IT ,,,,, PLEASE.


Thanks for the info, I will need to find someone to do the ultrasound, not sure the radiology unit at the hospital will lend me theirs :shutup:.

As to the other about you not understanding this place, I am serious two weeks from now someone who you have never seen online before will be telling you it was their idea, work etc that lead to a warning about this, and or the reason it was faulty was because the owners of the bikes were fat bastards, and carrying to many pies even though they were under the weight limits of the bikes, or better yet the mockets did it and Ducati cant make bikes for shit, just give it time, its the KB way.

[Latte Committee]

Thanks for the info, I will need to find someone to do the ultrasound, not sure the radiology unit at the hospital will lend me theirs :shutup:.

Your bike might not be pregnant, but it could still be f***ed LOL

I've had mine checked by 4 different people at 2 different places.
One of my cousins is a ground engineer with QANTAS. I sent both of the fractured pieces to him for inspection with ultra sound and S.E.M.

A mate also works with an airline as a ground engineer.
I took the bike to where he works and a group of engineers looked it over with their scanning gear.
Of the 15% of crankcase remaining to hold the engine in position, 75% of that is fractured underneath the paint.
It could only have been a matter of a few kilometres before that failed as well.


As to the other about you not understanding this place, I am serious two weeks from now someone who you have never seen online before will be telling you it was their idea, work etc that lead to a warning about this, and or the reason it was faulty was because the owners of the bikes were fat bastards, and carrying to many pies even though they were under the weight limits of the bikes, or better yet the mockets did it and Ducati cant make bikes for shit, just give it time, its the KB way.

LOL ,,,, This is not my "first forum" I know how they work.
An opportunity for morons with a keyboard to flex their interlectual muscle.

[avgas]

NOPE ,,,,, Golden Rule ............
NEVER engage in a Battle of Wits with an unarmed person
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Its but a flesh wound.

But please enlighten us - why are you whining about a broken bike. It happens all the time.
Spill't milk cost more in AUD?

[avgas]

Step away from the Italian machinery and head straight to your local Kawasaki dealer (or Yamaha) :D
What he said......Ducati's have NEVER (i will repeat that again) NEVER been known as reliable bikes.
They have had hairline frame cracks since before the age of time.

To buy a Ducati under any other preconceived thoughts......would be a foolish thing to do indeed.

[motor_mayhem]

An opportunity for morons with a keyboard to flex their interlectual muscle.

which not all possess. Wonders of the modern age that everyone gets a voice but not everyone is armed with the sense to use it wisely.

Agree with whats been said RE Jap bikes. I have owned at least one of each of the HSYK brands in my time and I wouldn't call any of them a dud, in fact some have stood up to amazing torture and neglect. For reliability and functionality without a ridiculous price tag look nowhere else.

[Latte Committee]

But please enlighten us - why are you whining about a broken bike. It happens all the time.
Spill't milk cost more in AUD?

It started as pissed orf
Then it became principle
Now it's safety

Too many of them have broken inexplicably
Is only a matter of time before somebody gets hurt as a result, if it hasn't happened already.

I believe there is a deficiency in the design and manufacture, which combined present a potentially dangerous situation.

If I'm proven wrong, then so be it
But I'm not gunna die wondering.

And if I'm proven right, then maybe, just maybe, somebody might live to die of old age, who might not have otherwise made it that far.