Police interview - look out for motorbikes.

[Big Dave]

I spent some time with two bike cops at Manukau station and listened to their message.
Much to the disappointment of some on here, I liked them and what they were saying and how they said it.

http://kiwiridermagazine.blogspot.com/2010/12/look-out-for-motorbikes.html

[doko]

I like the part where they give you a pack of free stuff and no fines.

[ducatilover]

Great read Big Dave, a nice view on the usually negative crap! :yes: I want a free hi vis vest....

[Toaster]

Good stuff Dave.

People all too easily forget that the police are on our side.... as long as the side we are on is lawful.

Its easy to enjoy riding without having to be a dickhead on the roads.... or roadkill for that matter.

[JMemonic]

Sounds like an interesting pack, a simple question would be of course shouldn't the DVD's be given out as part of the licensing test, I mean for new riders or those doing their first upgrade from an L to R or to full they could potentially contain some good info.

I realise its not your to ask that of the police but I cant think of a better place to ask the question of those in charge than our motorcycling media.

[Groins_NZ]

Nice work Dave, it's all good if it helps to save lifes. I still see a lot of bikers NOT wearing any protective clothing so it would be good if the message can go out to some of them.

[Supertwin Don]

Good work, Dave - but - "look out for motorbikes" - bikers already generally look out for other riders, how about a "targetted" campaign on SUV drivers (for example, as a class of road user) - pull over every SUV on a given stretch of road (preferably a busy, holiday road) and check the vehicle in same manner and talk to the drivers' about "look out for motorbikes"

I feel that this would get a better result for motorcyclists.

[onearmedbandit]

I like the part where they give you a pack of free stuff and no fines.

I like the bit where they check your suspension. I'll get them to check the bikes sag, preload, rebound etc. Do we know how long the turn around is? I'd appreciate the fork oil being replaced too.

[Big Dave]

I like the bit where they check your suspension. I'll get them to check the bikes sag, preload, rebound etc. Do we know how long the turn around is? I'd appreciate the fork oil being replaced too.

:-)

Pretty confident that if you asked Pete he could give you some good set up advice. Static sag he also considers when checking the chain. They are mainly looking for suspension fluid loss.

[Big Dave]

Good work, Dave - but - "look out for motorbikes" - bikers already generally look out for other riders, how about a "targetted" campaign on SUV drivers (for example, as a class of road user) - pull over every SUV on a given stretch of road (preferably a busy, holiday road) and check the vehicle in same manner and talk to the drivers' about "look out for motorbikes"

I feel that this would get a better result for motorcyclists.

It would need to be included in the 'safer journeys' strategy and my feeling is they would gladly comply.

But ultimately that Government Policy is the directive.

[jafar]

I see that the police you spoke to say 48 riders died in 2009. Yet TV one says it was43 with 45 so far this year...... who is right ??:gob:



Otherwise I do tend to agree with what they are trying to do & to a certain extent how they are doing it.
There are a lot of knobends doing stupid stuff on the roads that I see every day, not all are bikers though !!!
If they did the same with asian drivers or SUV drivers it would be easier to believe, there are just as many poor drivers amongst those demographics as there are amongst the bikers

[onearmedbandit]

I see that the police you spoke to say 48 riders died in 2009. Yet TV one says it was43 with 45 so far this year...... who is right ??:gob:





Two men say they're Jesus,
one of them must be wrong,
there's a protest singer,
he's singing a protest song.

[Big Dave]

The dossier of statistics was about 75mm thick - I didn't read all of it, but the Service did approve the article for publication.

[Ronin]

Two men say they're Jesus,
one of them must be wrong,
there's a protest singer,
he's singing a protest song.

"wanna have a war,
To keep us on our knees"

[Big Dave]

"wanna have a war,
To keep us on our knees"

Turning Japanese I really think so think so.

[bogan]

While I wasn't there and haven't seen the packs (the visor cloth sounds useful though!) I can't really comment on the effectiveness of the campaign. However this part doesn't seem right


‘We’ve also identified that unlicensed or improperly licensed drivers, as well as unsafe vehicles are a contributing factor to the high crash rate. These are things that we can do something to control.’ Said Ant.

I've never seen any stats showing the safety of the bike to have caused a significant number of accidents, in fact an EU study (where some of the countries don't even have wofs) showed unsafe bikes cause less than 1% of all bikes accidents. Is it another example of overstated stats to convince us to take our medicine, or are unsafe bikes actually a problem in NZ?

All the safety info sounds like stuff bikers need to know, tyres, suspension, chain, safety gear, is something most of us are aware of and check regularly. I do wonder about the effectiveness of having authority figures deliver this info though, especially when its along with a rego and wof check...

[BoristheBiter]

"wanna have a war,
To keep us on our knees"

"wanna have a war,
To keep our factory's."

[Ronin]

Turning Japanese I really think so think so.

Hit me with your rythm baton...

On a lighter note and if I can be serious for a change... No really can I?

It is one thing for an experienced bike cop to cast a safety eye over your bike, quite another for Johnny no knob wet behind the ears to do so.

I honestly believe that this campaign has more to do with politics and stick pointing than anything else. The over all crash/injury stats won't change much but they will now have 'proven' numbers of biker related transgressions to refute anything we as a group may have to say.

[Scuba_Steve]

All the safety info sounds like stuff bikers need to know, tyres, suspension, chain, safety gear, is something most of us are aware of and check regularly. I do wonder about the effectiveness of having authority figures deliver this info though, especially when its along with a rego and wof check...

I would say it isn't too effective, if they setup "stops" where bikers could choose to stop in & learn that would probably be effective, but when your forced to "learn" especially by cops, somehow I think the message is gonna be "lost in translation"

I know for one I tend to be a rebel without a cause & would "rebel" against it just for the hell of rebelling against it because I wasn't given the choice it was forced onto me... but then that's just me maybee the general biker public is different? but going from comments in general on KB I wouldn't think most to be that much different in this opinion?

[george formby]

Nice work Dave, it's all good if it helps to save lifes. I still see a lot of bikers NOT wearing any protective clothing so it would be good if the message can go out to some of them.

You would love it up here, shorts, jandals , t-shirt, missus on the back is the rule not the exception. These riders wonder why i won't join them on a jaunt. If their riding gear is any indication of how they actually ride I'm not missing much. I understand the point of individual freedoms but it's bloody selfish if in the event of a rider not at fault accident not to consider how much harder it makes it for the people who attend at the scene.
:shutup: Enough from me, this is done to death.

[spajohn]

Two men say they're Jesus,
one of them must be wrong,
there's a protest singer,
he's singing a protest song.

I'm gonna be bugged all afternoon trying to remember what those lyrics are from...

[BoristheBiter]

I'm gonna be bugged all afternoon trying to remember what those lyrics are from...

industrial disease
Dire Straits

[Krayy]

Nice interview, although it didn't explain why I always feel guilty when talking to Mr Plod. Even if I'm just asking him/her the time!

[george formby]

I'm gonna be bugged all afternoon trying to remember what those lyrics are from...

Ditto, it's on the tip of me tongue. Were's my ukelele? Doin my head in already.

[george formby]

Ditto, it's on the tip of me tongue. Were's my ukelele? Doin my head in already.

Phew, thanks for taking the pain away.

[onearmedbandit]

I'm gonna be bugged all afternoon trying to remember what those lyrics are from...

oo oo oo - NO ONE TELL HIM!

Not even you Mr Knopfler


Damn you Boris!

[Big Dave]

Nice interview, although it didn't explain why I always feel guilty when talking to Mr Plod. Even if I'm just asking him/her the time!

It's not you - it's your conscience. The night before I was due to meet I realised my rego had expired the day prior. Had to do it online before the interview or I would have been sweating all through it.

[spajohn]

oo oo oo - NO ONE TELL HIM!

Not even you Mr Knopfler


Damn you Boris!

LOL...not sure it's gonna help me get any work done. Now I'm listening to Dire Straits and thinking of going for a ride!

[BoristheBiter]

oo oo oo - NO ONE TELL HIM!

Not even you Mr Knopfler


Damn you Boris!

Sorry did it before you posted, just too quick today.
(makes a change)

[suckingair]

While I wasn't there and haven't seen the packs (the visor cloth sounds useful though!) I can't really comment on the effectiveness of the campaign. However this part doesn't seem right



I've never seen any stats showing the safety of the bike to have caused a significant number of accidents, in fact an EU study (where some of the countries don't even have wofs) showed unsafe bikes cause less than 1% of all bikes accidents. Is it another example of overstated stats to convince us to take our medicine, or are unsafe bikes actually a problem in NZ?

All the safety info sounds like stuff bikers need to know, tyres, suspension, chain, safety gear, is something most of us are aware of and check regularly. I do wonder about the effectiveness of having authority figures deliver this info though, especially when its along with a rego and wof check...


The problem with common sense is that it's not really all that common..

Go into the workshop of almost any motorbike shop and have a look at the heaps of shite that someone wants repaired, for whatever reason..
I don’t mean to sound wanky but when you say ‘..is something most of us are aware of and check regularly’ you actually
mean ..’ is I am aware of and check regularly’. Others don’t know how to or don’t care.. not all, just some.

[Bassmatt]

So a " Look out for Motorcycles" campaign in which motorcyclists are stopped and told to .... look out for motorcycles? :facepalm:
WTF?

[Swoop]

... how about a "targetted" campaign on SUV drivers (for example, as a class of road user) - pull over every SUV on a given stretch of road (preferably a busy, holiday road) and check the vehicle in same manner and talk to the drivers' about ..." Why hasn't your SUV got grass or mud in the tyre tread? Perhaps you should fuck off back to your city and buy a prius!"
Just a suggestion...

[NZsarge]

Did the Popo rider in your artical explain why he wasn't wearing gloves and had his face exposed while riding his bike? Not a good look really.

[Bonez]

Hope they are aware of rules relating to pre 1980s m/cs regarding lights.

[piston broke]

look out for bikers?
i would have thought that bikers generally,
would have more situational awareness than your average car driver.
just due to being more vunerable to gravity.
it's not racisim,but mode of transportationism (sp),is that a word?

[Big Dave]

Did the Popo rider in your artical explain why he wasn't wearing gloves and had his face exposed while riding his bike? Not a good look really.

He was doing 5kph around the car park for my camera. But fair comment - I'll nix the pic actually.

[sinfull]

Pleased ya posted this Dave, good article !

See the naysayers have started already

[Bonez]

It's KB Bill.

[piston broke]

Pleased ya posted this Dave, good article !

See the naysayers have started already

yep a good article,(minus the pic,lol) atgatt

i maybe a naysayer but,
why tell bikers to look out for bikers?

[sinfull]

yep a good article,(minus the pic,lol) atgatt

i maybe a naysayer but,
why tell bikers to look out for bikers? For themselves perhaps ? Could be just a misinterpreded header Pistandbroke, We all know them behind bumpers and grille aint too worried about a bump up, sure it's an inconvenience, but they do only really look out for bumpers and grille huh ? So perhaps the campain might be about looking after yourself as a motorcyclist !

[piston broke]

but they do only really look out for bumpers and grille huh ? So perhaps the campain might be about looking after yourself as a motorcyclist !


more than once,i have been a passenger in a car of a non biker,
gone past a bike comming the opposite way,
then asked the driver if they saw if the bike had the headlight on or not.
the reply,
what bike.

i think that %wise,bikes are in better nick than cars.
myself excluded :shit:


p.s.cool avatar

[Big Dave]

yep a good article,(minus the pic,lol) atgatt

i maybe a naysayer but,
why tell bikers to look out for bikers?

They are telling us to look out for ourselves. It is a play on words. Not an overly strong one - but it is there - and ACC already had the silk screens.

If the pic is distracting from my intentions I have no issue deleting the pic and finding something that suitably illustrates - correcting poor photo journalism on my part.

[Highlander]

LOL...not sure it's gonna help me get any work done. Now I'm listening to Dire Straits and thinking of going for a ride!

I often listen to Dire Straits when out for a ride, Pink Floyd and U2 feature pretty heavily in my play list too.


They are telling us to look out for ourselves. It is a play on words. Not an overly strong one - but it is there - and ACC already had the silk screens. If the pic is distracting from my intentions I have no issue deleting the pic and finding something that suitably illustrates - correcting poor photo journalism on my part..


I have had several close calls from other bikes some instances not looking out for bikes, others just cutting too close to me thereby not allowing me room to move. Granted, they are genrally better than cars but still room for improvement.

Good article Dave, probably asking for Red rep, but I don't believe the Police are all as bad as the majority of posts on KB try to make them look.

I have no issue with the picture Dave, it shows that the poice aren't claiming to be perfect just have a job to do.

[BoristheBiter]

I often listen to Dire Straits when out for a ride, Pink Floyd and U2 feature pretty heavily in my play list too.




I wish i could ride and listen to music but it distracts me and when a good song comes on the speed goes up and i don't need an incentive to do that.

[Rosso]

Good stuff Dave , thats the sort of feedback thats needed , NOT that crap on "Close Up" the other night that Distorts the message competely for the sake of ratings . The first words out that creeps mouth was to villify the Bike riders and stir up the shit.

[Highlander]

I wish i could ride and listen to music but it distracts me and when a good song comes on the speed goes up and i don't need an incentive to do that.

You gotta do what works for you. I can tune in and out to the music (which is really only background anyway) and focus when I need to.

[scumdog]

- bikers already generally look out for other riders,

A statement of dubious accuracy in my experience....but it SHOULD be 100% true.

[Drew]

You would love it up here, shorts, jandals , t-shirt, missus on the back is the rule not the exception. These riders wonder why i won't join them on a jaunt. If their riding gear is any indication of how they actually ride I'm not missing much. I understand the point of individual freedoms but it's bloody selfish if in the event of a rider not at fault accident not to consider how much harder it makes it for the people who attend at the scene.
:shutup: Enough from me, this is done to death.Done to fuckin death by friggin hypocrites like yourself.

If you are so concerned about the EMS teams, then best you hang up your helmet and wrap up nice and safe in some bubble wrap.



A statement of dubious accuracy in my experience....but it SHOULD be 100% true.


How so dubious? Are we crashing into eachother out regularly or summat?

[scumdog]

How so dubious? Are we crashing into eachother out regularly or summat?

No, we don't actually collide with each other all that often - but that's more good luck than good management going by what I've seen on some group rides.:yes:

[piston broke]

I wish i could ride and listen to music but it distracts me and when a good song comes on the speed goes up and i don't need an incentive to do that.

same,i don't think i've ever listened to musuc on a bike,other than whats going on in my head.
i'd rather listen to the bike and what is happening around me.
do those of you that have music wear earpeices,i.e can you hear anything other than music?

[DMNTD]

LOL...Pete Marriott is a bloody good bastard and certainly knows how to pedal a bike :blink: :facepalm:
He's a 'real bloke' that happens to be a Cop...most certainly not a 'tax collector' in any shape or form. If you get a ticket from Pete, then you essentially deserve it :yes:

[Highlander]

same,i don't think i've ever listened to musuc on a bike,other than whats going on in my head.
i'd rather listen to the bike and what is happening around me.
do those of you that have music wear earpeices,i.e can you hear anything other than music?

Can't pretend to speak for the others, but in my case I have the Plugz 4 Lugz moulded ear plugs with speakers. Can hear my bike and any others near me quite clearly even with the music playing, but like I say the music is back ground not turned up loud.

[Hopeful Bastard]

So they handing out them Booklets and dvd's and Fluro's down these ways?

I'd be keen on getting my hands on this lot! :woohoo:

Or are we just getting the "talking to" and then told to go on our way? :facepalm:

[DMNTD]

So they handing out them Booklets and dvd's and Fluro's down these ways?

I'd be keen on getting my hands on this lot! :woohoo:

Or are we just getting the "talking to" and then told to go on our way? :facepalm:

If you're after some, go into your local Dealer and ask for them as they should have had some delivered to them. If they haven't I'll have a 'set' sent to you :yes:

[North Harbour Yamaha]

Nice work Dave, it's all good if it helps to save lifes. I still see a lot of bikers NOT wearing any protective clothing so it would be good if the message can go out to some of them.

The amount of idiots I have seen on the roads in the last few weeks with the hot weather wearing no protective gear is unbelievable :blink:

[nosebleed]

Can I cross-credit my previous encounters and subsequent road side lectures from both of these guys?

[cowboyz]

its like this really...

while everyone is praising the job the police are doing trying to herd the horses wouldnt it have been easier to lock the barn before it bolted?

Instead of spending fuck knows how much money preaching to the converted (who are the only ones who are really going to listen) why not take it back to the licence test and actually have compulsory training and proper testing before letting people drive/ride?

[Bald Eagle]

its like this really...

while everyone is praising the job the police are doing trying to herd the horses wouldnt it have been easier to lock the barn before it bolted?

Instead of spending fuck knows how much money preaching to the converted (who are the only ones who are really going to listen) why not take it back to the licence test and actually have compulsory training and proper testing before letting people drive/ride?

Careful this is KB, can't have good sense suggestions now can we :facepalm:

[scumdog]

The amount of idiots I have seen on the roads in the last few weeks with the hot weather wearing no protective gear is unbelievable :blink:

Saw a sheila riding a Ninja on the Green Island motorway on Monday.

She had a nice black dress on

Most of it was bunched up around her waist..:blink:

[cowboyz]

Saw a sheila riding a Ninja on the Green Island motorway on Monday.

She had a nice black dress on

Most of it was bunched up around her waist..:blink:

I bet the time and money spent by police looking into that was worth it.

[Bonez]

Saw a sheila riding a Ninja on the Green Island motorway on Monday.

She had a nice black dress on

Most of it was bunched up around her waist..:blink:Surely that should've prompted further investigation. For her own safety of course...............

[scumdog]

Surely that should've prompted further investigation. For her own safety of course...............

Sadly I had stopped a truck with an insecure load and in the opposite lane..

[cheshirecat]

Sadly I had stopped a truck with an insecure load and in the opposite lane..
Sad!......

[Edbear]

its like this really...

while everyone is praising the job the police are doing trying to herd the horses wouldnt it have been easier to lock the barn before it bolted?

Instead of spending fuck knows how much money preaching to the converted (who are the only ones who are really going to listen) why not take it back to the licence test and actually have compulsory training and proper testing before letting people drive/ride?

While I do agree the learning process needs to be improved, from most of the posts on KB it's not the newbies we need to target. They, by and large, are very well aware and seem to be quite sensible. The bikers causing the problems are the more experienced, older guys who should know better!

[Drew]

While I do agree the learning process needs to be improved, from most of the posts on KB it's not the newbies we need to target. They, by and large, are very well aware and seem to be quite sensible. The bikers causing the problems are the more experienced, older guys who should know better!Appear quite sensible because they wear a flouro vest, and some armour?

For fuck sake, they dont have to have any real control of the bike to be let loose on the roads!

I'm not saying I don't need the protective stuff because I can handle a bike, but the two are completely separate issues. And neither are even slightly indicative of the other.

[Drew]

No, we don't actually collide with each other all that often - but that's more good luck than good management going by what I've seen on some group rides.:yes:

Group rides, there's kinda a different mind set for anyone on them though I think.

Trick is, get out in front and ya don't have to see the near carnage that follows.

[Edbear]

Appear quite sensible because they wear a flouro vest, and some armour?

For fuck sake, they dont have to have any real control of the bike to be let loose on the roads!

I'm not saying I don't need the protective stuff because I can handle a bike, but the two are completely separate issues. And neither are even slightly indicative of the other.

Every one has to start somewhere, but the stats show the age groups most involved in accidents, ACC claims, infringement notices, etc. it's not the newbies, mate...

[Big Dave]

from most of the posts on KB it's not the newbies we need to target. They, by and large, are very well aware and seem to be quite sensible. The bikers causing the problems are the more experienced, older guys who should know better!

Nah. Disagree.
Posts on KB have little relevance in the real world.

Under-skilled return-to-riders I would accept.

[Drew]

Every one has to start somewhere, but the stats show the age groups most involved in accidents, ACC claims, infringement notices, etc. it's not the newbies, mate...

I'd like to see some stats on what riding gear was being worn for all these accidents from the later demographic.

Then I'd like to see the number of repeat customers, stacked up before and after ACC stopped paying for replacement gear.

Where the fuck do ACC get off, actively fuckin educating us about the right gear when they decided THEMSELVES not to replace it for people involved in crashes.

[Edbear]

Nah. Disagree.
Posts on KB have little relevance in the real world.

Under-skilled return-to-riders I would accept.

:gob: But, but... KB is a paragon of virtue and reality isn't it...? :blink:

I agree that returnees are causing a few headaches, but it seems lately the one's killing themselves are also featured in the "experienced" group too often. Has anyone got the actual breakdown of the stats?

[Drew]

Under-skilled return-to-riders I would accept.
But how many of them are there really? They make up such a low percentage of the community.

Mind you, they are a minority so we should really pander to it.

[Drew]

:gob: But, but... KB is a paragon of virtue and reality isn't it...? :blink:

I agree that returnees are causing a few headaches, but it seems lately the one's killing themselves are also featured in the "experienced" group too often. Has anyone got the actual breakdown of the stats?

Of course 40-50 year olds are going to look worse in the stats, the average age of a biker in New Zealand was fuckin 40 not that long ago!

[Edbear]

I'd like to see some stats on what riding gear was being worn for all these accidents from the later demographic.

Then I'd like to see the number of repeat customers, stacked up before and after ACC stopped paying for replacement gear.

Where the fuck do ACC get off, actively fuckin educating us about the right gear when they decided THEMSELVES not to replace it for people involved in crashes.

I didn't think that was their role. Isn't that what insurance is for? Would you pay your ACC levies is they did replace gear?

When I had my accident personal effects were the responsibility of my insurance company, helping me live and recover, the responsibility of ACC.

I agree, I'd like a breakdown of the stats.

[BoristheBiter]

Of course 40-50 year olds are going to look worse in the stats, the average age of a biker in New Zealand was fuckin 40 not that long ago!

I would rather have the stats on the experience riders have.

[Big Dave]

My information is that the return-to rider injuries are a significant statistic - but I have no quantifiable data.

Ed, think scooter rider lane splitting in shorts and Jandals when you say noob.

[Edbear]

My information is that the return-to rider injuries are a significant statistic - but I have no quantifiable data.

Ed, think scooter rider lane splitting in shorts and Jandals when you say noob.

Yeah there does seem to be an increasing number of those. I guess I was thinking about the newbies who post here. Of course the vast majority of these new scooter riders have probably never heard of KB and don't consider themselves motorcyclists, just commuters. Most seem to be girls, too. Very few wear any protective gear apart from their helmet.

I haven't been commuting in traffic for six months now, so I've forgotten a bit.

[Drew]

I didn't think that was their role. Isn't that what insurance is for? Would you pay your ACC levies is they did replace gear?

When I had my accident personal effects were the responsibility of my insurance company, helping me live and recover, the responsibility of ACC.

I agree, I'd like a breakdown of the stats.

They used to pay for all clothing needing replaced after a personal injury. Since sometimes it's the medical staff chopping it off.

When insurance becomes mandatory (and I think it should), I believe it is their responsibility, but ACC used to pay for it, the laws haven't changed, and they still get to say too many people are getting hurt from not having the right gear.

It is as usual, hypocritical bullshit, and it chaps my ass.

[Edbear]

They used to pay for all clothing needing replaced after a personal injury. Since sometimes it's the medical staff chopping it off.

When insurance becomes mandatory (and I think it should), I believe it is their responsibility, but ACC used to pay for it, the laws haven't changed, and they still get to say too many people are getting hurt from not having the right gear.

It is as usual, hypocritical bullshit, and it chaps my ass.

Sorry, my memory's a bit foggy, I think you're right about that. They haven't been doing that for a long time now. I think insurance, at least third party should be compulsory but you'll still have the issue of people ignoring the law, just as now with reg and WoF and licences until the courts start getting serious about penalties and stop the wet bus ticket approach.

[Katman]

While I do agree the learning process needs to be improved, from most of the posts on KB it's not the newbies we need to target. They, by and large, are very well aware and seem to be quite sensible.

But unfortunately, quite clueless.

I think it's important that those charged with handing out BHS certificates realise that there is an onus on them to provide those newbies with as many clues as can possibly be drumed into them.

[Edbear]

But unfortunately, quite clueless.

I think it's important that those charged with handing out BHS certificates realise that there is an onus on them to provide those newbies with as many clues as can possibly be drumed into them.

That's exactly why I said the learning process needs improving. Proper training and a defensive driving course should be basic requirements. Is there anyone who does the BHS here who can offer their opinion on what they do? It seems too easy to me.

[Drew]

That's exactly why I said the learning process needs improving. Proper training and a defensive driving course should be basic requirements. Is there anyone who does the BHS here who can offer their opinion on what they do? It seems too easy to me.

Which is it then? The young ones have their shit together, or they need more training?

[Edbear]

Which is it then? The young ones have their shit together, or they need more training?

There's a difference between training and experience and the actual problems recorded. While the young newbies lack both they are not disproportionately represented in the figures for accidents, traffic offences, non-compliance, etc. It's the supposedly experienced and older riders who are causing the most problems with their attitudes and riding records!

[tri boy]

The whole targeted road side rego checks still stinks of Nick Smiths lost revenue.
Road side education my arse. If they really want to educate riders, and the greater quantity of road users, they would use a better medium.
Sorry Dave, but you can keep your Kool Aide.
They might be well intentioned coppers, therefore I'm sure they could come up with a better stratergy.

It's a crock. MHO

[Drew]

figures for accidents, traffic offences, non-compliance, etc. It's the supposedly experienced and older riders who are causing the most problems with their attitudes and riding records!

Traffic offenses are in this now? Sounds less like concern for our well being by the second.

[Big Dave]

Sorry Dave, but you can keep your Kool Aide.


You know what? I don't care.

"‘I can hear the cries of ‘Big Brother’ resounding around the internet now’ I suggested."

:-)

[myvice]

But unfortunately, quite clueless.

I think it's important that those charged with handing out BHS certificates realise that there is an onus on them to provide those newbies with as many clues as can possibly be drumed into them.

If you fuck it up, it will hurt you.
If you fuck it up badly, it’ll kill you.
It may not be you who fucks it up.

Shouldn’t they be giving the motorcycle safety pamphlet to car drivers?

[miloking]

But unfortunately, quite clueless.

I think it's important that those charged with handing out BHS certificates realise that there is an onus on them to provide those newbies with as many clues as can possibly be drumed into them.

haha, i seriously doubt they do at all... my friend decided he wants to get a bike and bought CBR125 few months ago, also just completed his BHS test last week...and all it was to ride around some cones for 5 minutes, here is your cert & good luck buddy!

[Edbear]

Every one has to start somewhere, but the stats show the age groups most involved in accidents, ACC claims, infringement notices, etc. it's not the newbies, mate...


Traffic offenses are in this now? Sounds less like concern for our well being by the second.

Do you have a chip on your shoulder or are you just obnoxious in general?

[Swoop]

... why not take it back to the licence test and actually have compulsory training and proper testing before letting people drive/ride?
Thank goodness some people are getting the right idea.

Start the whole process of learning to drive/ride off on the right foot. Correct training (NO PARENTAL TRAINING to hand down and perpetuate BAD habits) followed up with a decent test. No scratch-and-win bollocks.

[Paul in NZ]

Erm - Just bear with me, its just an opinion I'm forming, not a religion or anything.

I started riding when I was 16. I sold a really nice bike or two to afford a ring worthy of Miss Vicki and 30 years later still think it was a sound investment. Unfortunately she was so enamoured of me she fell preggers immeadiately and that meant riding really crap bikes for 5 or 6 years, one of the better ones was a $75 TS250 Suzuki. You learnt to be humble and appreciate the fun to be had from a small bike. Riding small crappy bikes also forces you to get overyourself and ride defensively.

Better bigger bikes have come and go and I've learnt what works for me. The 1970 TR6C must work as its been ours for 22+ years now. faster sportier bikes have gone as I have learnt I'm a friggin idiot with little self control and easily convinced I'm invicable.

However, every few years we meet people with motorcycle fever. There is no particular age or use profile but it comes commonly with a return to biking and a brand new bike OR first big bike and when folks have it they usually have it bad. All they talk about riding, bikes, cornering techniques, motorcycle politics, they join groups, training blah blah blah. They do have one thing in common - they ride like they have 'rights' and think the cops (and everyone else) are picking on them etc etc. They have another thing in common too, they all cry like babies when they are laying broken in a ditch. The ones that dont cry are the worst - mostly they dont make it.

What I see is that the worse you get the fever the more likely you will either burn out and give up or crash (repeatedly) and give up.

Moderation in all things is not a bad motto to ride by and in addition, try and find a few non motorcycling activities as well, it will make you a better rider via a wider perspective.

I'm no saint on the road, I've done and will do stupid things but these days I genuinely try to keep a lid on my stupidity. The spirit still moves me some days but I like to think its weighed a bit more carefully and I do think that most Police are genuinely concerned about our behaviour. Not all of us but a significant number.

I'm grateful I've seen and survived some of the carnage as it changes your attitude. Once there are a few ghosts you know personally sitting on the side of the road it gives you pause to think and I for one want to die in my bed thanks. (hopefully in a moment of passion although that may upset Vicki somewhat)

[awa355]

Erm - Just bear with me,

I'm no saint on the road, I've done and will do stupid things

I'm grateful I've seen and survived some of the carnage as it changes your attitude. Once there are a few ghosts you know personally sitting on the side of the road it gives you pause to think and I for one want to die in my bed thanks. (hopefully in a moment of passion although that may upset Vicki somewhat)

Paul, I think you have summed up motorcycling very well. I have ridden continuously for over 40 years, 23 bikes, had one off, spent 8 years as an Ambulance driver. Have been to many bike accidents. and the ones who weren't in some pain were usually beyond help.
I rarely ride with groups these days. I think they bring out the worst in many riders. I'm talking about groups who dont know each other. I do ride with a few mates my age ( been riding together since our teenage years ) and we ride with pretty much the same atitude. None of us believe we are bullet proof.

Like you Paul, I intend to die in a moment of passion, being shot by someone's husband when I'm about 70 sounds okay!

[phill-k]

My two cents worth -

I had to go check a property this morning, a ride from Whangarei to Kerikeri, about 15km north of Whangarei there is a new northbound passing lane, the vis is excellent road conditions excellent and to my knowledge in the last 5 years since it was constructed there have been no fatalities on this stretch but 3/4 way down the lanes is a bloody speed camera van to the police enforcement what pry tell is the logic behind this. If you're interested I was the bloke on the mobility scooter with his left arm raised giving u the two fingered solute as I dodged the other drivers half a sleep who hadn't spotted it and slammed on their anchors.

Further on there was a series of corners that have had new seal laid, for various reasons I'm quite well ahead of the next following car, but as the seal has pea gravel in abundance I slow to the signposted 50km, next minute the following vehicles are champing at my ass to get going, again I manage to find my own piece of road and approach a somewhat blind righthander again signposted to 50km with said gravel everywhere and no lane marking a bloody idiot travelling at or around 100km comes round said bend drifting well to the centre spraying metal everywhere..

My point is I don't understand a lot of the police road safety policies I see to many speed cameras in areas that I'm sure aren't black spots, but It is pretty clear to me that NZ drivers are both arrogant and stupid thus I ride assuming that. I won't be donning a free vest because my bike has three forward facing lights anyway, and I keep a very vigilant eye on the mirrors watching whats coming up behind me. Like I said I ride assuming all the others on the road are bloody idiots.

[Patrick]

While I wasn't there and haven't seen the packs (the visor cloth sounds useful though!) I can't really comment on the effectiveness of the campaign. However this part doesn't seem right



I've never seen any stats showing the safety of the bike to have caused a significant number of accidents, in fact an EU study (where some of the countries don't even have wofs) showed unsafe bikes cause less than 1% of all bikes accidents. Is it another example of overstated stats to convince us to take our medicine, or are unsafe bikes actually a problem in NZ?

All the safety info sounds like stuff bikers need to know, tyres, suspension, chain, safety gear, is something most of us are aware of and check regularly. I do wonder about the effectiveness of having authority figures deliver this info though, especially when its along with a rego and wof check...

Of the motorbike fatals I have been to, only one was legal.... and I have been to a few...

Of the crashes where injuries occurred, its better, but more like 60% not / 40% legal... give or take a few....

The last fatal in Mokau earlier this year was on a bike with no WOF or Rego since 2005, and the rider didn't have a motorbike license of any sort at all. He was on a big BMW (1050cc?)

That sort of thing, is what they are referring to...

As for figures? Who knows. 43, 45 or 48 is still 43, 45, 48 too many....:yes:

And just last week in New Plymouth, a dickhead pisshead on a bike blowing well over 1000....:facepalm:

[Edbear]

Of the motorbike fatals I have been to, only one was legal.... and I have been to a few...

Of the crashes where injuries occurred, its better, but more like 60% not / 40% legal... give or take a few....

The last fatal in Mokau earlier this year was on a bike with no WOF or Rego since 2005, and the rider didn't have a motorbike license of any sort at all. He was on a big BMW (1050cc?)

That sort of thing, is what they are referring to...

As for figures? Who knows. 43, 45 or 48 is still 43, 45, 48 too many....:yes:

And just last week in New Plymouth, a dickhead pisshead on a bike blowing well over 1000....:facepalm:

We need more posts like this. First-hand knowledge by those who have to scrape the idiots off the road. If all the KB members would like to start educating themselves and each other instead of bleating about "Big Brother" we may see peer pressure causing a few of these idiots to step back and think a bit... As long as Patrick and Scummy and others in their job have to continue facing these scenes on a daily basis, no-one is going to convince the powers that they are cracking down on the wrong people.

How many of these fatals were caused by a car driver, Pat?

[Drew]

Do you have a chip on your shoulder or are you just obnoxious in general?

I've got a big fuckin chip on my shoulder, AND I'm obnoxious.

You seriously think that what IS being done, and what SHOULD be being done in the name of safety are the same thing?

[Drew]

Erm - Just bear with me, its just an opinion I'm forming, not a religion or anything.

I started riding when I was 16. I sold a really nice bike or two to afford a ring worthy of Miss Vicki and 30 years later still think it was a sound investment. Unfortunately she was so enamoured of me she fell preggers immeadiately and that meant riding really crap bikes for 5 or 6 years, one of the better ones was a $75 TS250 Suzuki. You learnt to be humble and appreciate the fun to be had from a small bike. Riding small crappy bikes also forces you to get overyourself and ride defensively.

Better bigger bikes have come and go and I've learnt what works for me. The 1970 TR6C must work as its been ours for 22+ years now. faster sportier bikes have gone as I have learnt I'm a friggin idiot with little self control and easily convinced I'm invicable.

However, every few years we meet people with motorcycle fever. There is no particular age or use profile but it comes commonly with a return to biking and a brand new bike OR first big bike and when folks have it they usually have it bad. All they talk about riding, bikes, cornering techniques, motorcycle politics, they join groups, training blah blah blah. They do have one thing in common - they ride like they have 'rights' and think the cops (and everyone else) are picking on them etc etc. They have another thing in common too, they all cry like babies when they are laying broken in a ditch. The ones that dont cry are the worst - mostly they dont make it.

What I see is that the worse you get the fever the more likely you will either burn out and give up or crash (repeatedly) and give up.

Moderation in all things is not a bad motto to ride by and in addition, try and find a few non motorcycling activities as well, it will make you a better rider via a wider perspective.

I'm no saint on the road, I've done and will do stupid things but these days I genuinely try to keep a lid on my stupidity. The spirit still moves me some days but I like to think its weighed a bit more carefully and I do think that most Police are genuinely concerned about our behaviour. Not all of us but a significant number.

I'm grateful I've seen and survived some of the carnage as it changes your attitude. Once there are a few ghosts you know personally sitting on the side of the road it gives you pause to think and I for one want to die in my bed thanks. (hopefully in a moment of passion although that may upset Vicki somewhat)

Nice message.

Dont get too excited, it'll end badly.

Is there any fuckin passion left in this bullshit site at all, or are you gutless pricks all aiming at a political career?

[Edbear]

I've got a big fuckin chip on my shoulder, AND I'm obnoxious.

You seriously think that what IS being done, and what SHOULD be being done in the name of safety are the same thing?

I live in hope... :innocent: There's definitely a groundswell of opinion that something better needs to be done and TPTB are making encouraging noises of late, indicating they are listening. It just takes someone of the calibre of Judith Collins to tell the courts to toughen up and force errant drivers/riders to think about their driving/riding. Add in a better licencing process, ie: training and testing and we may get somewhere.

The Coppers on KB certainly seem to be targetting a lot more than just speed.

[scumdog]

Nice message.

Dont get too excited, it'll end badly.

Is there any fuckin passion left in this bullshit site at all, or are you gutless pricks all aiming at a political career?

They're probably realists....:corn:

[tri boy]

Interesting stats Patrick.:yes:
But I feel alot of those fatalities might have been muppets riding motorcycles, rather than motorcyclists that have chosen to put rego on hold as it is either too expensive, or a private protest/ get fucked to N Smith,ACC.

Were the bikes of an WOF standard?
Did they look like "motorcycle enthusiasts" machines, or death traps owned by fringe dwellers?

I'm trying to be on the rozza's side here, and hope their attitude during this campaign is more educational than draconian. We shall see.

[Kickaha]

I've got a big fuckin chip on my shoulder, AND I'm obnoxious.

And a Homo

[Drew]

They're probably realists....:corn:Yeah, realistically we should all take a boring approach to biking, and just commute.


And a HomoThat too.

[scumdog]

Yeah, realistically we should all take a boring approach to biking, and just commute.



So what are YOU going to do action man? huh? huh?:shifty::rolleyes:

[Paul in NZ]

Nice message.

Dont get too excited, it'll end badly.

Is there any fuckin passion left in this bullshit site at all, or are you gutless pricks all aiming at a political career?

I think you are filtering the 'message' through your own eyes and experiences. You talk about passion? I've been riding bikes for a long time now so yes, I think I have a passion for it? I really have a passion for my bikes ut its different to yours, that doesnt make me less keen to protect MY way of life?

Think of it this way. You can have a love affair, white hot and exciting that burns up everyone and ends in tears or you can have a slow smoldering love that keeps enduring through the decades.

If you want me to be passionate how about this? I get totally pissed off with 'I know everything 'cos I can ride really fast over a hill and read a twist of the wrist (or more likely someone read it to them) dickheads acting like utter cocks or some fat fucknuckle that wants to be a gang member (except their wife wont let them) so I chromed everything and pulled the mufflers off my weiner machine and am rude to everyone, ruining something I've loved all my life and I'm passionate about. I get HIGHLY pissed off with the selfish pricks that ruin MY fun because of their stupidity and then they give it up after 5 mins. Its selfish, Its costing me money, and wasting my time, neither of which I have enough of.

[Big Dave]

or are you gutless pricks all aiming at a political career?

That's the funniest thing I've read today.

[Katman]

If you want me to be passionate how about this? I get totally pissed off with 'I know everything 'cos I can ride really fast over a hill and read a twist of the wrist (or more likely someone read it to them) dickheads acting like utter cocks or some fat fucknuckle that wants to be a gang member (except their wife wont let them) so I chromed everything and pulled the mufflers off my weiner machine and am rude to everyone, ruining something I've loved all my life and I'm passionate about. I get HIGHLY pissed off with the selfish pricks that ruin MY fun because of their stupidity and then they give it up after 5 mins. Its selfish, Its costing me money, and wasting my time, neither of which I have enough of.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Paul in NZ]

Couldn't have said it better myself.


OK - I'm scared now :innocent:

[Conquiztador]

Perhaps I am too cynical, but I can not stop smiling when I read all the comments on how this is all to make us better and safer riders so we stay alive. Am I the only one who finds it strange that this "friendly chat" has suddenly become a must do for the police when so many bikers have voted with their wallets and stopped paying the rego and putting their bikes on hold? I was just on a weeks group ride and we got stopped by the police and all Rego's and WOF was checked and nothing else. When I asked about the promised leaflet and other stuff I only got a blank stare. And on top of this cars were passing by w/o being stopped.

ACC goes up = Rego goes up heaps = bikers stop paying = police needs a way to stop bikers only = stop the bikers and tell them we are saving them = opportunity of checking the rego and WOF!

It is all soo obvious. But keep on telling us that the reason is to teach us and fit yellow vests on each one of us, and soon you will start to believing that bullshit.

The soldiers at the concentration camps actually believed that they were saving the world too...

[Drew]

If you want me to be passionate how about this? I get totally pissed off with 'I know everything 'cos I can ride really fast over a hill and read a twist of the wrist (or more likely someone read it to them) dickheads acting like utter cocks or some fat fucknuckle that wants to be a gang member (except their wife wont let them) so I chromed everything and pulled the mufflers off my weiner machine and am rude to everyone, ruining something I've loved all my life and I'm passionate about. I get HIGHLY pissed off with the selfish pricks that ruin MY fun because of their stupidity and then they give it up after 5 mins. Its selfish, Its costing me money, and wasting my time, neither of which I have enough of.

I cant be sure but this seems to be your view filtered by your own means.

Did I say I was passionate because of how I ride? I try not to be a hypocrite, (although I think it's part of the human condition), and in no way am I saying I have to be right.

Who fuckin says by the way, that there is no such thing as the white hot love affair that lasts? My condolences to your wife.
Couldn't have said it better myself.This is proof enough that you're seeing things just as fuckin one sided as you make out I am Paul.


That's the funniest thing I've read today.

I aim to please.

[Drew]

So what are YOU going to do action man? huh? huh?:shifty::rolleyes:

I'm gonna make sure my kids can control a bike in extremes, that other road users wont see them sometimes and how to be defensive, (or other users will SAY they didn't see them should the shit hit the fan).

I will offer whatever I can to those who ask, and give my time freely without prejudice.

What exactly are you fucking doing copper?

[eelracing]

The soldiers at the concentration camps actually believed that they were saving the world too...

I resent that comment...my grandad died in a concentration camp.

Poor bastard fell out of the machine gun nest.

[rastuscat]

I'm going to format a new form to fit into my notebook.

Each time I stop a biker without reg, I'll note their details and tell them that I'll be checking their reg status online in 14 days. If it hasn't been brought up to date, I'll post out a $200 fine. If it has, I'll log off and go back to my donuts.

Anyone got a problem with that?

The only problem I see is that it suggests to people that they are okay to let their reg lapse, as the Popo will let them update it when they get stopped. There used to be an advantage in that, but with continuous vehicle lecensing that advantage has disappeared.

[Katman]

I'm going to format a new form to fit into my notebook.

Each time I stop a biker without reg, I'll note their details and tell them that I'll be checking their reg status online in 14 days. If it hasn't been brought up to date, I'll post out a $200 fine. If it has, I'll log off and go back to my donuts.

Anyone got a problem with that?

The only problem I see is that it suggests to people that they are okay to let their reg lapse, as the Popo will let them update it when they get stopped. There used to be an advantage in that, but with continuous vehicle lecensing that advantage has disappeared.

If the bike is being ridden while the registration is on hold, then it is a conscious decision to evade paying. The automatic fine should stand.

If the rego has simply lapsed then, when renewed, it will be back-dated to when it expired. 14 day conformance policy applies.

I think you might be on to something.

[Big Dave]

Perhaps I am too cynical, but I can not stop smiling when I read all the comments on how this is all to make us better and safer riders so we stay alive. Am I the only one who finds it strange that this "friendly chat" has suddenly become a must do for the police when so many bikers have voted with their wallets and stopped paying the rego and putting their bikes on hold? I was just on a weeks group ride and we got stopped by the police and all Rego's and WOF was checked and nothing else. When I asked about the promised leaflet and other stuff I only got a blank stare. And on top of this cars were passing by w/o being stopped.

ACC goes up = Rego goes up heaps = bikers stop paying = police needs a way to stop bikers only = stop the bikers and tell them we are saving them = opportunity of checking the rego and WOF!

It is all soo obvious. But keep on telling us that the reason is to teach us and fit yellow vests on each one of us, and soon you will start to believing that bullshit.

The soldiers at the concentration camps actually believed that they were saving the world too...

There are two ways you can jump. This is what I was trying to write between the lines.

You can rail against the machine and piss lots of wind about it.
Won't make any difference though. You'll still get stopped. (It's actually HAPPENING, Brian)

or

you can have your paperwork and shit together and simply not worry about it.

I prefer option two.

In the meantime plod might just save some noobs bacon. Pun intended.

[Conquiztador]

There are two ways you can jump. This is what I was trying to write between the lines.

You can rail against the machine and piss lots of wind about it.
Won't make any difference though. You'll still get stopped. (It's actually HAPPENING, Brian)

or

you can have your paperwork and shit together and simply not worry about it.

I prefer option two.

In the meantime plod might just save some noobs bacon. Pun intended.

I am not Brian.

Yes I know that we have no option (Apart from a mass demonstration to parliment so we can then walk around for 12 months telling everyone that we saved the world...) but either pay up or take the consequenses.

What does piss me off is the way all and everyone is believing this bullshit re that the stopping of us is to save us when the only reason is to check our WOF and rego. I would rather that they were honest re it and say: "We realise that many bikers have stopped paying their rego so we will have spot checks focusing on that". Or perhaps it is not something that can be done? Riding w/o a current rego is not a traffic offence???

[Big Dave]

I am not Brian.



You know it's a quote from Python?

[awa355]

[QUOTE=Big Dave;1129926146]There are two ways you can jump. This is what I was trying to write between the lines.

You can rail against the machine and piss lots of wind about it.
Won't make any difference though. You'll still get stopped.

or

you can have your paperwork and shit together and simply not worry about it.

I prefer option two.


I dont speed, ( old bike, not fast ) but I do get my back up when I go past a cop car at under the speed limit, he does a screaming u turn and races up with lights and siren flashing when I've done nothing obviously wrong. To me it's a power game with some of the younger ones.

Anyway, I ride to the law (usually), and the bike is always legal.

My last ticket was for speeding, in 1972. The Cambridge cop did me for 51mph ( 85k's) with a pillion, Limit then was 45mph ( 75k's). Cost me $12.00. I can still remember him telling me then, " this is only for your safety young man" Guess somethings haven't changed.

[Big Dave]

Not like it's a new thing either - I've been stopped a few times for licence and rego checks in the past.

Twice outside Vector Arena.

[Edbear]

There are two ways you can jump. This is what I was trying to write between the lines.

You can rail against the machine and piss lots of wind about it.
Won't make any difference though. You'll still get stopped. (It's actually HAPPENING, Brian)

or

you can have your paperwork and shit together and simply not worry about it.

I prefer option two.

In the meantime plod might just save some noobs bacon. Pun intended.

My philosophy is not to stress over anything. I'm not in the slightest concerned about being pulled over anytime and I don't need radar detectors. Having my vehicles legal and safe at all times and driving close enough to the limit, most of the time, I am relaxed and happy and can concentrate on the important stuff, like driving/riding. I even pass cop cars if they are travelling below the limit and I can do so without exceeding 109km/h, same as I don't slow down for them if I'm doing less than 110. I EVEN wave to them if they glance at me! :shutup:

Notable among the complainer's is that the majority of them have little regard for the law and freely flout the law at every opportunity. They believe they are capable enough to ride/drive however they please and should be allowed to do so without consequences. I've said before, that's fine, just remove yourselves from society and go and live on an island somewhere where you can live entirely as you please... :yes:

If you want to live in society you have to appreciate you are not the most important person around and no rules or regulations are going to be tailored to your specific requirements. There are 4 1/2 million people to cater for of all types, so I suggest anyone who bitches and moans, either leave or enter politics and change the rules... Simple really... :sunny:

[Conquiztador]

You know it's a quote from Python?

I'm still not Brian

[Big Dave]

I'm still not Brian

Are you the Judean People's front?

[Usarka]

Are you the Judean People's front?

He's the messiah!

[Paul in NZ]

I dont believe what the Police are doing will make much difference and I suspect at a ground level neither do they. BUT its going to be done, a box has been ticked so find a way to deal with it.

This stuff has happened before it will happen again. Just pull our collective heads in a little bit or of course the other option is to rant an rave here. Either will have the same effect.

[Ronin]

I'm going to format a new form to fit into my notebook.

Each time I stop a biker without reg, I'll note their details and tell them that I'll be checking their reg status online in 14 days. If it hasn't been brought up to date, I'll post out a $200 fine. If it has, I'll log off and go back to my donuts.

Anyone got a problem with that?

The only problem I see is that it suggests to people that they are okay to let their reg lapse, as the Popo will let them update it when they get stopped. There used to be an advantage in that, but with continuous vehicle lecensing that advantage has disappeared.

Please could you make more of an effort not to be so reasonable? You will shatter long held illusions of far to many people on here otherwise.

[Ronin]

Anyone else remember a shouty little man bouncing up and down on a radio interview a couple of months ago telling anyone who would listen just how many riders had put their rego's on hold?

Cause and effect.

[carver]

I spent some time with two bike cops at Manukau station and listened to their message.
Much to the disappointment of some on here, I liked them and what they were saying and how they said it.

http://kiwiridermagazine.blogspot.com/2010/12/look-out-for-motorbikes.html

kiwirider is the most useless motorcycle publication out there!

who is with me?

[Ronin]

kiwirider is the most useless motorcycle publication out there!

who is with me?

Your trolling used to be of much better quality. New dealer?

[Paul in NZ]

Did I say I was passionate because of how I ride? I try not to be a hypocrite, (although I think it's part of the human condition), and in no way am I saying I have to be right.

I agree - human beings can pretty well justify anything and there should always be room for debate and an exchange of views. You did ask where the passion was and I let you know where mine hides.

My observation over a longer period tells me that many people that go at riding hammer and tongs only do so briefly. They cause maximum damage and minimal gain. I observed this during the R5/RD350 days till now.


Who fuckin says by the way, that there is no such thing as the white hot love affair that lasts? My condolences to your wife..

Ouch. On the other hand I've found most women prefer a man that can last the distance Drew and is in no hurry to get there. I'd heard you were fast :shit:


This is proof enough that you're seeing things just as fuckin one sided as you make out I am Paul..

We all filter the info because we all look at life through a unique lens built on our own 'lived life'. Hopefully these exchanges offer a chance for us to consider other points of view. Yes, I can be a bit one sided, I suppose because I'm passionate.

[carver]

Your trolling used to be of much better quality. New dealer?

haha, doing night shift has taken the edge off it!

[Big Dave]

haha, doing night shift has taken the edge off it!

And it's not like it was ever razor sharp.

[bogan]

Anyone else remember a shouty little man bouncing up and down on a radio interview a couple of months ago telling anyone who would listen just how many riders had put their rego's on hold?

Cause and effect.

thing is the proportion of bikes on hold isn't significantly higher than last year anyway (as of a few months ago). Maybe in a year when those who topped up before the increase run out it'll be a different story though.

[Ronin]

thing is the proportion of bikes on hold isn't significantly higher than last year anyway (as of a few months ago). Maybe in a year when those who topped up before the increase run out it'll be a different story though.

Sorry, according to the shouty little man on the radio it was a huge amount. It must be true if it was on the radio and said by a "fully sanctioned" spokeperson for motorcyclists.

[Katman]

Sorry, according to the shouty little man on the radio it was a huge amount. It must be true if it was on the radio and said by a "fully sanctioned" spokeperson for motorcyclists.

So who was this shouty little man?

[Motardman]

kiwirider is the most useless motorcycle publication out there!

who is with me?

He is right though....can trolls still be right?....I don't see why not

[Big Dave]

He is right though....can trolls still be right?....I don't see why not

Fortunately we've got tons of new subscribers who think otherwise. :woohoo:

[Ronin]

He is right though....can trolls still be right?....I don't see why not

The best Trolls are right.

This one isn't.

[Motardman]

Fortunately we've got tons of new subscribers who think otherwise. :woohoo:

Fair enough mate, I bought it last week and was pretty miffed with the overall content, thought I'd bought a custom bike/dirtbike magazine, maybe it was just that issue....or maybe I'm just not the target audience, I'm used to the likes of Superbike or Fastbikes.

Admittedly coming from the UK I was pretty disappointed with Australasian publications across all genres but I'm assuming that the smaller budget and smaller subscriber base is the contributing factor.

[Big Dave]

Cheers.
The Publisher's goal is to be 'broad spectrum' (for want of a better cliche). Try and cover as many of the facets of motorcycling NZ per issue.
We do regular surveys and that's what the majority of readers say they enjoy.

Market is pretty well served with specialist publications too.

Could do with a new tits and arse Harley mag for mine.

[imdying]

kiwirider is the most useless motorcycle publication out there!

who is with me?Bit harsh, it's just targetted a little broader than what I'm willing to pay for is all.

[Motardman]

Bit harsh, it's just targetted a little broader than what I'm willing to pay for is all.

What I mean't said with more finesse :laugh:

[Big Dave]

Since when was finesse a KB requirement. Now can we get back to harassing Carver please.
:yes:

[avgas]

The Publisher's goal is to be 'broad spectrum' (for want of a better cliche). Try and cover as many of the facets of motorcycling NZ per issue.
Kinda like the local RSA newsletters?

[Bald Eagle]

Could do with a new tits and arse Harley mag for mine.

Don't need the Harley's in that one then it would be all good.

[admenk]

Could do with a new tits and arse Harley mag for mine.

Yeah, but who's arse ?

[Motardman]

Since when was finesse a KB requirement. Now can we get back to harassing Carver please.
:yes:

Oh OK then :lol:

[Big Dave]

Don't need the Harley's in that one then it would be all good.

I can get away with doing girlie shoots if there is machinery involved, but you haven't met the co-pilot hey.

[Ronin]

Yeah, but who's arse ?

Please, not Carvers.

[Big Dave]

Yeah, but who's arse ?

Not Fat Max is fo sho.

[admenk]

Not Fat Max is fo sho.

Not even as a centre spread in MAG news?

[Big Dave]

Not even as a centre spread in MAG news?

I now dread him reading this thread for fear he has stock shots.

[fliplid]

I now dread him reading this thread for fear he has stock shots.

Nooooooooooooooooooo..........!:facepalm:

[BoristheBiter]

He's the messiah!

He not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.

[BoristheBiter]

Fortunately we've got tons of new subscribers who think otherwise. :woohoo:

good all round mag, I stopped buying it after your editor went on a one sided rant about cops.
still read it just won't buy it.

[Toaster]

Since when was finesse a KB requirement. Now can we get back to harassing Carver please.
:yes:

Sounds like Kiwibiker a year or two ago when it was a laugh a minute.

[carver]

He is right though....can trolls still be right?....I don't see why not

maybe a bit kiss arse for me...