Disappointed by the mouth.

[5t3a1F]

Quit bleating!

this is the best license change in YEARS, the 70kph limit removed, bigger bikes for bigger people to learn on....
Bike shops and Licensing agencies will have all the info needed by the time this becomes law so just chill and quit all the bullshit speculation

Even if CBR or RGV 250's are not allowed, WHO CARES
The range of bikes that will now be available to learners will be HUGE compared to just '250cc' capacity

There are a number of nice mid powered 4 cyl 550's and such out there worth considering for the learner/restricted period


Is this the man that we have appointed to speak on our behalf? Someone should teach you some manners. (Your mother should have washed your mouth out if you want to be taken seriously)

I'm afraid I don't know you 'StoneY' but having read some of your posts I am unsure if you are qualified to represent 'us'.

Why is it that you believe that you are qualified to speak on our behalf yet you are so ready to run many of us down purely because we want to ride rs250's on our learner licenses etc etc....

You obviously have no firm grasp on modern motorcycles (550 4 cyls) yet you are happy to preach the gospel according to 'StoneY'. You obviously have a 6F and are happy to damn the rest of us.

I for one have not appointed you as my spokesman, and as far as I am concerned, if you are the mouth of BRONZ, we are probably far better off without you because you quite clearly have no idea about the tribulations experienced by a young person going about getting their licenses.

(ps- CBR250's will not-not be allowed.) but I'm sure you knew that before putting fingers to keyboard.

[psycho22]

Well this is just going from that quoted post alone so bear that in mind, but I don't see him as " Running you down" so to speak, rather he is saying that at the loss of a select few 250s there will be opened a vastly larger and more accommodating range of bikes to suit many peoples different needs.

As to the tribulations experienced by young people getting their licence I dont recall having any.

Care to elaborate?

[5t3a1F]

Well this is just going from that quoted post alone so bear that in mind, but I don't see him as " Running you down" so to speak, rather he is saying that at the loss of a select few 250s there will be opened a vastly larger and more accommodating range of bikes to suit many peoples different needs.

As to the tribulations experienced by young people getting their licence I dont recall having any.

Care to elaborate?

I do agree that there will be many more bikes available to learners. It is the attitude and language that I take offense to. It seems to be a recurring theme if you look at 'StoneY's posts.

[psycho22]

Fair enough.

I personally don't have a problem with a bit of attitude or language, I think the former helps get the message across and I'm just used to language but each to our own.

[5t3a1F]

Fair enough.

I personally don't have a problem with a bit of attitude or language, I think the former helps get the message across and I'm just used to language but each to our own.

i agree with you. However, when someone is entrusted with the responsibility that StoneY has, you must take yourself above the name-calling, swearing and assigning the blame game.

I will add that this isn't the first post I have had an issue with, just the first that I have decided to say something about.

[psycho22]

...you must take yourself above the name-calling, swearing and assigning the blame game.

:confused:Wait... Isn't that what politics and anything to do with it is all about?

And while we are at it would you kindly enlighten me as to what he is responsible for as I have evidently been hiding under a rock for awhile.

[psycho22]

Right don't worry about that last part... Just had a look at his profile.

[riffer]

Yeah I'm keen to know about this too.

Please kindly enlighten me if there's anything other than what you've posted because it does sound like you are bleating. I'm a member of the BRONZ Welly Executive who work closely with StoneY.

I can assure you he has first hand knowledge of what faces kids going for their bike licences.

As to the RS250 and learners, anyone with half a brain could tell you the issue with this.

PM me if you don't want to talk in public.

- Simon

[nodrog]

Gee Whizz, who shit in your Fluffy coffee? Take a concrete pill man.

Fanny.

[MSTRS]

...bleat bleat bleat...
(ps- CBR250's will not-not be allowed.) but I'm sure you knew that before putting fingers to keyboard.

It is you who does not know what you are talking about.
NZ will follow this from Oz (http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/tests/motorcycleridertrainingscheme/motorcyclesnoviceriders.html)

[White trash]

Oh for fuck's sake. Grow a thicker skin is some short ginger cunts language offends you.

I imagine it went something like this. Three or Four people decided to reform BRONZ Wellington. They said, we need a spokesman, who can do it. StoneY said, yeah I could if no one else can. It was decided.

Don't like it, stick your hand up for the job.

[Eyegasm]

I have to laugh at the OP. Sorry.

Stoneys posts on this website, along with others are of their personal opinion.

I have seen Quasievil getting ripped on in this manner as well as riffer. FFS it is a public forum.

Stoneys Representation/Spokepersons role in either BRONZ Wellington or Federation is not his personal opinion, it is what the collective have agreed on.

[aprilia_RS250]

rs250, just because it is fast doesn't mean it should be banned.

As far as I know it stops better than most bikes, has better grip and is lighter, hence more forgiving. Has fuck all power at the bottom end so those untrained wrists will find it easy to start moving.

If you feel you wouldn't be mature enough to learn how to ride one don't judge the rest of us then. I learned how to ride on my rs250. I feel more confident as a rider than I would on a rusty gn250.

[BMWST?]

rs250, just because it is fast doesn't mean it should be banned.

As far as I know it stops better than most bikes, has better grip and is lighter, hence more forgiving. Has fuck all power at the bottom end so those untrained wrists will find it easy to start moving.

If you feel you wouldn't be mature enough to learn how to ride one don't judge the rest of us then. I learned how to ride on my rs250. I feel more confident as a rider than I would on a rusty gn250.

its not us or StoNey that is proposing these changes.... At 6 3 i would welcome a opportunity to ride a LARGER bike(not just a larger engine) as a learner

[Genestho]

It's a public forum for personal opinion, Stoney is human too, and I know it doesn't detract from the volunteer job he does which he's stuck his hand up for - not many people do that, and not nearly enough in this world.

[5t3a1F]

It is you who does not know what you are talking about.
NZ will follow this from Oz (http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/tests/motorcycleridertrainingscheme/motorcyclesnoviceriders.html)

maybe you should read twice.

where does it say that CBR's wil NOT be allowed?

[James Deuce]

rs250, just because it is fast doesn't mean it should be banned.

As far as I know it stops better than most bikes, has better grip and is lighter, hence more forgiving. Has fuck all power at the bottom end so those untrained wrists will find it easy to start moving.

If you feel you wouldn't be mature enough to learn how to ride one don't judge the rest of us then. I learned how to ride on my rs250. I feel more confident as a rider than I would on a rusty gn250.
Those are drawbacks in a learner bike for most newbies and the proposed change should do away with the rusty GN scenario.

Low seat height, excellent throttle response, stabilty and measured steering response are of much more use to a learner than race rep sharp steering and brakes and any useful power and torque crammed into a relatively small RPM range. The typical race rep riding position isn't conducive to learning basic bike handling skills either.

I'm not saying it's wrong for you, I'm saying that most people would be happier with a bike that has no surprises and is comfortable from stationary to max speed. Most. My first road going 2 stroke experiences were an S2 with clip ons around the bottom triple clamp and I loved it.

[James Deuce]

maybe you should read twice.

where does it say that CBR's wil NOT be allowed?

Good. Most of the ones available in the NZ market are ancient, thrashed, and beaten.

[Eyegasm]

maybe you should read twice.

where does it say that CBR's wil NOT be allowed?

I May be wrong, but CBR's are not listed in the approved list.

But it does say this...

All motorcycles with an engine capacity under 260ml are approved with the exception of:

Suzuki - RGV250
Kawasaki - KR250 (KR-1 and KR1s models)
Honda - NSR250
Yamaha - TZR250
Aprila - RS250

So the question is "Is the CBR under 260ml?"

If it is then it is allowed.

But I could be wrong.

[Gone Burger]

In a position that StoneY holds as National Spokesperson, he is bound to be in the firing line of any who do not agree with his approach to addressing issues as a public voice. Any person in this same position would be in the same situation. It's a matter of not being able to please everyone - that most impossible mission in life.

Would we prefer someone that pussy foots around topics, watching what they say in case it offends? Or someone that will follow through with what he believes in so passionately. Between us all, there will a mixture of answers as we all feel things should be handled differently. And this is sweet as - this is what gives things a bit of spice and gets people reacting to issues that arise.

I for one know StoneY couldn't be more passionate, and believe in what he is doing more than anyone! A little rough around the edges is what you get (we love ya for that StoneY), and in a position like that I believe it might just be needed at times. Of course, this is just one persons opinion, and we all have them.

He has a voice that often gets heard, and it's a job that not many are willing to step up to.

[MSTRS]

maybe you should read twice.

where does it say that CBR's wil NOT be allowed?

Forgive me if I assumed your 'not-not' wasn't meant as a double negative. I read it as 'not - repeat - not...' The nuances of English, especially the written form, are so often lacking in those that post rants such as yours.

There is a list in OZ, and the same thing will happen here eventually. The list is intended to remove all doubt over which bikes larger than 250 (260) cc are allowed for learner use. Otherwise, it is only the GP-style 2 strokes of 250cc that are NOT allowed.

[Juzz976]

I think its a fair system, I too had to get my licence like anyone else.

I would have like to have had an RS,TZR,NSR or RGV as my learner bike, however one must use their common sense.

I was 25 when I got my learners, I rode my FZR250 for 2 years (this is longer than is required for someone my age but there is no rush).

I've had a few sketchy moments whilst becoming accustomed to a road bike.
As well as a couple of low speed offs in the wet.

Now if I had forked out all this money for an expensive 2 stroke bike I would have lost it when damaging my bike.

As for the few sketchy moments I wonder how they would have panned out had I been on a quicker more unpredictable bike.

I'm riding a TL1000R now and still learning at 28 years of age, I've ridden all but the kwaka 2 stroke and consider none of them as learners bikes.

IMHO 250 2 strokes are not suitable for learners or anyone under 20 years of age.
Why, because at that age you have not had enough experience on road to judge traffic, identify hazards and prepare for the un-expected.

I wonder how many other biker would have a similar opinion.

and another thing
"the tribulations experienced by a young person going about getting their licenses."
What are you talking about, they don't give you a different test because your younger.
If you can't pass a licence test its because your current skill level does not match the criteria to progress through to the next licence.

[pc220]

Is this the man that we have appointed to speak on our behalf? Someone should teach you some manners. (Your mother should have washed your mouth out if you want to be taken seriously)

I'm afraid I don't know you 'StoneY' but having read some of your posts I am unsure if you are qualified to represent 'us'.

Why is it that you believe that you are qualified to speak on our behalf yet you are so ready to run many of us down purely because we want to ride rs250's on our learner licenses etc etc....

You obviously have no firm grasp on modern motorcycles (550 4 cyls) yet you are happy to preach the gospel according to 'StoneY'. You obviously have a 6F and are happy to damn the rest of us.

I for one have not appointed you as my spokesman, and as far as I am concerned, if you are the mouth of BRONZ, we are probably far better off without you because you quite clearly have no idea about the tribulations experienced by a young person going about getting their licenses.

(ps- CBR250's will not-not be allowed.) but I'm sure you knew that before putting fingers to keyboard.

Do you have a carrot stuck in your rectum ?:tugger:. A good doctor and or Honda rider should be able to help you out.

[Winston001]

In a position that StoneY holds as National Spokesperson, he is bound to be in the firing line of any who do not agree with his approach to addressing issues as a public voice. Any person in this same position would be in the same situation. It's a matter of not being able to please everyone - that most impossible mission in life.

Would we prefer someone that pussy foots around topics, watching what they say in case it offends? Or someone that will follow through with what he believes in so passionately. Between us all, there will a mixture of answers as we all feel things should be handled differently. And this is sweet as - this is what gives things a bit of spice and gets people reacting to issues that arise.

I for one know StoneY couldn't be more passionate, and believe in what he is doing more than anyone! A little rough around the edges is what you get (we love ya for that StoneY), and in a position like that I believe it might just be needed at times. Of course, this is just one persons opinion, and we all have them.

He has a voice that often gets heard, and it's a job that not many are willing to step up to.

Agreed. I appreciate 5t3a1F's point but Stony's posts here are personal and he's entitled to speak from the heart. It is not easy being a volunteer spokesman and explaining something you have a passion for.

[Str8 Jacket]

. It is not easy being a GINGA.

he needs our support.....

[tigertim20]

I do agree that there will be many more bikes available to learners. It is the attitude and language that I take offense to. It seems to be a recurring theme if you look at 'StoneY's posts.

so you ae annoyed because he might say 'fuck shit slut cunt' from time to time?
its a forum, dont stress it.

its like this, at work, I have to be professional, I use words at home, and when out with friends that i would never use at work. swearing and having a laugh on an internet forum does not mean that he is incapable of acting in a suitable professional manner when speaking on behalf of bikers in his capacity of a motorcyclist representative.

if you think you have what it takes to get up, and do a better job, and put more time, and more effort in, and get better results than stoney (or any other biker rep for that matter) then, please, put your hand up, and take the job. if not, fuck up.

[Str8 Jacket]

so you ae annoyed because he might say 'fuck shit slut cunt' f

Bitch, ho, mother fucker, ball sacks, Kerry Dukie.....

[Deano]

Bitch, ho, mother fucker, ball sacks, Kerry Dukie.....

Ah thats just silly Hels.

[jonbuoy]

Is this the man that we have appointed to speak on our behalf? Someone should teach you some manners. (Your mother should have washed your mouth out if you want to be taken seriously)

I'm afraid I don't know you 'StoneY' but having read some of your posts I am unsure if you are qualified to represent 'us'.

Why is it that you believe that you are qualified to speak on our behalf yet you are so ready to run many of us down purely because we want to ride rs250's on our learner licenses etc etc....

You obviously have no firm grasp on modern motorcycles (550 4 cyls) yet you are happy to preach the gospel according to 'StoneY'. You obviously have a 6F and are happy to damn the rest of us.

I for one have not appointed you as my spokesman, and as far as I am concerned, if you are the mouth of BRONZ, we are probably far better off without you because you quite clearly have no idea about the tribulations experienced by a young person going about getting their licenses.

(ps- CBR250's will not-not be allowed.) but I'm sure you knew that before putting fingers to keyboard.

Are you upset because your bikes second hand value just dropped through the floor? Its the best move to get young people on bikes in a long time (proper bikes not ragged out 15 year old race replicas that make anyone over six foot tall look like Krusty the Clown on his minibike).

[baptist]

Oh for fuck's sake. Grow a thicker skin is some short ginger cunts language offends you.

Back the truck up a moment:shit: he's a GINGA:gob::facepalm:




Would we prefer someone that pussy foots around topics, watching what they say in case it offends? Or someone that will follow through with what he believes in so passionately. Between us all, there will a mixture of answers as we all feel things should be handled differently. And this is sweet as - this is what gives things a bit of spice and gets people reacting to issues that arise.

Depends on the "who with and where" the conversation is taking place I guess, a place for both diplomacy and tack and at times a right royal rark up.


so you ae annoyed because he might say 'fuck shit slut cunt' from time to time?
its a forum, dont stress it.
You forgot to add Bother, Blast and Heck.:yes:

[p.dath]

Is this the man that we have appointed to speak on our behalf? Someone should teach you some manners. (Your mother should have washed your mouth out if you want to be taken seriously)...

(ps- CBR250's will not-not be allowed.) but I'm sure you knew that before putting fingers to keyboard.

First, CBR250's meet the proposed 2011 legislation requirements (being less than 660cc and less than 150Kw/tonne) and will - repeat will - be allowed.

Secondly, there is nothing preventing you from making your own submissions to Government on proposed changes. I certainly did. So I suggest that you represent yourself if your not happy with what everyone else is doing.

Lastly, StoneY, although a little fiery, has made a large and concerted effort to help Motorcyclists in general, and I suspect if you knew about everything he has done you would be more thankful. He's also had a bit of a shit 12 months, and deserves some consideration.

Differences of views is common - and those differences help society. Your views, and StoneY's, are just as important. And open debate is also good. But life runs smoother if you can debate what you don't agree with, rather than the person delivering the message.

[James Deuce]

First, CBR250's meet the proposed 2011 legislation requirements (being less than 660cc and less than 150Kw/tonne) and will - repeat will - be allowed.



That's a shame. They are a shining example of NZ's aged motorcycle fleet, smashed, bashed, shoddily repaired, under serviced, thrashed and discarded.

I'd like to see pre-2000 250s thrown in the compactor.

[p.dath]

That's a shame. They are a shining example of NZ's aged motorcycle fleet, smashed, bashed, shoddily repaired, under serviced, thrashed and discarded.

I'd like to see pre-2000 250s thrown in the compactor.

Going off topic for a moment; I see they plan to re-release the CBR 250R again.
http://powersports.honda.com/press/5725/2010/10/27/american-honda-announces-release-of-the-all-new-cbr250r.aspx

I suspect there are a lot of keen bike re-builders out there that like to have their old bikes that are much much older again and less than 250cc ...

[James Deuce]

I suspect there are a lot of keen bike re-builders out there that like to have their old bikes that are much much older again and less than 250cc ...
I'm talking about bikes that shouldn't be on the road but dealears are happy to sell, thanks to NZ's 250cc learner law. 20 year old bikes with 12,000km on the clock (yeah, right) with frozen shock linkages, seeping brake seals, grey sludge instead of fork oil, steering head bearings audibly clunk wheeling a bike around a forecourt, chain's with visually restricted freeplay in links, hooked sprockets and tyres so old they are perishing.

See them all the time.

Then there's the bikes that used to be one of those that have had 5 owners in 30000 kms that have battle scars on top of the mechanical issues they were sold with that have been repaired in what could only charitably be called a bodge fashion after multiple low speed and the odd medium speed crash.

Sometimes a "decent" mechanic gets hold of one, but at the end of they day they are still a 20 year old bike that has had an abusive life.

The restoration projects you are talking about are a different kettle of fish compared to some of the nightmares I see sold as "perfect for lerners".

[davebullet]

Going off topic for a moment; I see they plan to re-release the CBR 250R again.
http://powersports.honda.com/press/5725/2010/10/27/american-honda-announces-release-of-the-all-new-cbr250r.aspx

The above is a single cylinder not IL4 like the old. Still would go ok.

[Hiflyer]

Diddums mate. StoneY has done more for the wider biking community with one breath than you will ever do with your bullshit bleating.

[StoneY]

Heck...a whole thread just for little old me?

THANKS guys!

While CBR's may make the cut, it was the general flavor I referred to rather than exact quotes from the LAMs list

And as I got told a wee while back myself, (and decided he was right too) this is KB
"Harden the fuck up"

Thanks for all the support folks
I may get a little zealous, but seeing as I learned diplomacy on KB what did they expect?????

And as I represent BRONZ, is 5t3a1F a financial member?
:lol:

:-)

[sunhuntin]

That's a shame. They are a shining example of NZ's aged motorcycle fleet, smashed, bashed, shoddily repaired, under serviced, thrashed and discarded.

I'd like to see pre-2000 250s thrown in the compactor.

i think it should be on a bike by bike basis. i had an 06 gn250 which was a POS and rusty before i even got it home [bought brand new]. compared to my 98 virago which has been kept in all kinds of weather and very rarely cleaned, but barely has a speck of rust on her.

i would like to see shoddy bikes denied access to the country to begin with. the new gn's are a perfect example of this. i dont know one which hasnt had an issue yet. in 10 thousand k, mine had so many issues it wasnt funny.

[Guzza Bugger]

Is this the man that we have appointed to speak on our behalf? Someone should teach you some manners. (Your mother should have washed your mouth out if you want to be taken seriously)

I'm afraid I don't know you 'StoneY' but having read some of your posts I am unsure if you are qualified to represent 'us'.

Why is it that you believe that you are qualified to speak on our behalf yet you are so ready to run many of us down purely because we want to ride rs250's on our learner licenses etc etc....

You obviously have no firm grasp on modern motorcycles (550 4 cyls) yet you are happy to preach the gospel according to 'StoneY'. You obviously have a 6F and are happy to damn the rest of us.

I for one have not appointed you as my spokesman, and as far as I am concerned, if you are the mouth of BRONZ, we are probably far better off without you because you quite clearly have no idea about the tribulations experienced by a young person going about getting their licenses.

(ps- CBR250's will not-not be allowed.) but I'm sure you knew that before putting fingers to keyboard.
:woohoo:

Cut the foul language and look at the facts,the current situation on the 250cc learner restriction is way out of date as is the 70 kph.
As being a Bronz member for three years and now retired from such I feel that the statements being made by Stony Y are being read out of context,their has never been a submission process through Bronz membership nationally to accertain as to what would be an ideal solution for learners,however as a M/C myself I agree we need change.
To this I believe if the power to weight ratio is adapted this would have a more significant advantage to learners with better choices eg as I agree their are a number of 400 and 500 cc machines that would be suitable for learners.
The current 250cc rating has a number of these machines on the road being purchased at out landish prices and are a heap of crap and shouldnt be on the road but because of the current law are.
I am in the older age group and brought a Bouli S50 which because of the lighter frame makes it a very good handling bike but the 800cc has plenty of torque to achieve what I want.

The 70 kph is also outdated like the 90 k limit towing trailers you just become an obstacle in the way for those who travel at 100 ks .
Its not how fast you travel but how you ride,the key issue being the more you ride without being a hinderance to others the more confidence you will gain and the better rider you will become.
By the way my other machine is a Yamaha XS850 Trike so I have choices as well

[Guzza Bugger]

:woohoo:
Language a bit foul I agreebut lets look at the facts,the current situation on the 250cc learner restriction is way out of date as is the 70 kph.
As being a Bronz member for three years and now retired from such I feel that the statements being made by " Stony Y" are being made out of context,there has never been a submission process through Bronz membership nationally to accertain as to what would be an ideal solution for learners,however as a M/C myself I agree we need change.
To this I believe if the power to weight ratio is adapted this would have a more significant advantage to learners with better choices eg as I agree their are a number of 400 and 500 cc machines that would be suitable for learners.
The current 250cc rating has a number of these machines on the road being purchased at out landish prices and are a heap of crap and shouldnt be on the road but because of the current law are.
I am in the older age group and brought a Bouli S50 which because of the lighter frame makes it a very good handling bike but the 800cc has plenty of torque to achieve what I want.

The 70 kph is also outdated like the 90 k limit towing trailers you just become an obstacle in the way for those who travel at 100 ks .
Its not how fast you travel but how you ride,the key issue being the more you ride without being a hinderance to others the more confidence you will gain and the better rider you will become.
By the way my other machine is a Yamaha XS850 Trike so I have choices as well

[davereid]

Is this the man that we have appointed to speak on our behalf? Someone should teach you some manners. (Your mother should have washed your mouth out if you want to be taken seriously)

I'm afraid I don't know you 'StoneY' but having read some of your posts I am unsure if you are qualified to represent 'us'.

Why is it that you believe that you are qualified to speak on our behalf yet you are so ready to run many of us down purely because we want to ride rs250's on our learner licenses etc etc....

You obviously have no firm grasp on modern motorcycles (550 4 cyls) yet you are happy to preach the gospel according to 'StoneY'. You obviously have a 6F and are happy to damn the rest of us.

I for one have not appointed you as my spokesman, and as far as I am concerned, if you are the mouth of BRONZ, we are probably far better off without you because you quite clearly have no idea about the tribulations experienced by a young person going about getting their licenses.

(ps- CBR250's will not-not be allowed.) but I'm sure you knew that before putting fingers to keyboard.

So, if you are not impressed, here are other things you can do than bitch at Stoney, who has contribued valuably to NZ motorcycling.

Why not go to the NZTA web page, and make a submission ?

This is not a law, it is a rule. submissions count.

[caseye]

Is this the man that we have appointed to speak on our behalf? Someone should teach you some manners. (Your mother should have washed your mouth out if you want to be taken seriously)

I'm afraid I don't know you 'StoneY' but having read some of your posts I am unsure if you are qualified to represent 'us'.

Why is it that you believe that you are qualified to speak on our behalf yet you are so ready to run many of us down purely because we want to ride rs250's on our learner licenses etc etc....

You obviously have no firm grasp on modern motorcycles (550 4 cyls) yet you are happy to preach the gospel according to 'StoneY'. You obviously have a 6F and are happy to damn the rest of us.

I for one have not appointed you as my spokesman, and as far as I am concerned, if you are the mouth of BRONZ, we are probably far better off without you because you quite clearly have no idea about the tribulations experienced by a young person going about getting their licenses.

(ps- CBR250's will not-not be allowed.) but I'm sure you knew that before putting fingers to keyboard.

You fronted any politicians lately?
Organised any sort of protest? let alone one that involved over 10,000 bikers.
Tell you what, when you start making sense and stop bleating about a bit of language I might start listening to what you have to say.
Meanwhile if Stoney says be in Welly tomorrow, I'll ride!
As would most others .
See we know whats already been achieved and what is going on behind the scenes, your criticisms are not warranted, nor appreciated here.

[StoneY]

Funny you bring that up Casseye mate.......

Saw Phil G and Ricky B this morning, as well as Dave C and the local central chap Grant R

Might be needing you to mount up in the new Year bruv....will let you and ya buddies at MAG know more after the holidays ;)

Always fun to visit the big house tho....nice coffee there!

[Ronin]

Funny you bring that up Casseye mate.......

Saw Phil G and Ricky B this morning, as well as Dave C and the local central chap Grant R

Might be needing you to mount up in the new Year bruv....will let you and ya buddies at MAG know more after the holidays ;)

Always fun to visit the big house tho....nice coffee there!

No 'real' Politicians then? :innocent:

[The Stranger]

It is the attitude and language that I take offense to.

WTF? You chose to take offence then bleat at him for your choice.

[Laava]

The above is a single cylinder not IL4 like the old. Still would go ok.

Yip. The Honda Gn250

[Maha]

Funny you bring that up Casseye mate.......

Saw Phil G and Ricky B this morning, as well as Dave C and the local central chap Grant R

Might be needing you to mount up in the new Year bruv....will let you and ya buddies at MAG know more after the holidays ;)



Rider are Voters....:corn:

[StoneY]

No 'real' Politicians then? :innocent:

Just as real as the coffee was dude. Man that was nice coffee.....good to see our tax $ well spent ;)

[Maha]

And 4 million people all of a sudden shake thier head....:facepalm:

[Voltaire]

Rider are Voters....:corn:

I don't usually let my hobbies influence my voting.....I worry about things like Education, Health care,my kids future in a low wage economy with high housing prices. I grumble about ACC but its not a biggie.

[davereid]

I don't usually let my hobbies influence my voting.....I worry about things like Education, Health care,my kids future in a low wage economy with high housing prices. I grumble about ACC but its not a biggie.

Neither do I.

I can afford ACC. No issue there.

But this IS about more than the motorcycle ACC levy being overpriced.

It actually represents a shift in the way government thinks that may well affect things like Education, Health care, your kids future in a low wage economy with high housing prices.

It represents a willingness, to shift costs from a wide distribution base to a smaller one, justified with dodgy data and out-right lies.

And it is a time for us to see if we can be heard. Because if we cant be heard on this matter, when there are thousands of us, we are well organised, a broad subset of society, and clearly being rorted, the your kids will have a lot more to worry about than Dad being taxed off the road.

[pritch]

As far as I know it stops better than most bikes, has better grip and is lighter, hence more forgiving.

The RS is not a learners bike IMNSHO. Which is not to say I wouldn't love to have one, as impractical as they are.

A search of KB should turn up more than one instance where an inexperienced rider bought one and turned it into scrap within days.

I can't see what the OPs whinge is. The new rules will make for a much bigger range of bikes. Although young guys tend to want mini crutch rockets and the charms of an Indian Enfield may elude them.

The new regime may take some of the price pressure off used 250s which is good. Unless you happen to own one now?

[Maha]

Neither do I.

I can afford ACC. No issue there.

But this IS about more than the motorcycle ACC levy being overpriced.

It actually represents a shift in the way government thinks that may well affect things like Education, Health care, your kids future in a low wage economy with high housing prices.

It represents a willingness, to shift costs from a wide distribution base to a smaller one, justified with dodgy data and out-right lies.

And it is a time for us to see if we can be heard. Because if we cant be heard on this matter, when there are thousands of us, we are well organised, a broad subset of society, and clearly being rorted, the your kids will have a lot more to worry about than Dad being taxed off the road.

Yeah, some get what Riders are Voters is all about.
The ACC levy thing is pretty much a non issue now.

[James Deuce]

It represents a willingness, to shift costs from a wide distribution base to a smaller one, justified with dodgy data and out-right lies.



That thinking is mirrored in Chris Finlayson's Marine and Coastal Area Bill. It most certainly isn't about ACC changes alone. It's also indicative of the current government's desire to stay in power at all costs and damn the torpedoes.

I do have to ask though. If riders are voters how many of you wrote a submission in regard to the Marine and Coastal Area Bill?

[StoneY]

Yeah, some get what Riders are Voters is all about.
The ACC levy thing is pretty much a non issue now.

Well not totally, its still the prime example of what Dave was pointing at, the sitting government using spurious and corrupted data to justify huge costs increases to the masses, while blatantly ignoring the truth and popular public opinion.
Its also a great unifier of all our fellow motorcyclists

[Fatt Max]

Neither do I.

I can afford ACC. No issue there.

But this IS about more than the motorcycle ACC levy being overpriced.

It actually represents a shift in the way government thinks that may well affect things like Education, Health care, your kids future in a low wage economy with high housing prices.

It represents a willingness, to shift costs from a wide distribution base to a smaller one, justified with dodgy data and out-right lies.

And it is a time for us to see if we can be heard. Because if we cant be heard on this matter, when there are thousands of us, we are well organised, a broad subset of society, and clearly being rorted, the your kids will have a lot more to worry about than Dad being taxed off the road.

That is what it is all about, perfectly illustrated.

Good shite mate

[bogan]

Well not totally, its still the prime example of what Dave was pointing at, the sitting government using spurious and corrupted data to justify huge costs increases to the masses, while blatantly ignoring the truth and popular public opinion.
Its also a great unifier of all our fellow motorcyclists

Agree with that, all the corruption and data manipulation that was there last year still applies, it's just a year later there is even more biker apathy. Mind you a lot of bikers won't be feeling the hit till their current regos run out, maybe the slumbering beast will stir again at that point.

[StoneY]

Well lets say, despite the opinions of some as to who is 'real' in politics and who is not, I dont think we will get any movement by supporting the current regime.

Bikers ARE voters, its been said on here often enough and MAG deserve a lot of kudos for focussing this issue

If me and the team at BRONZ can get any support for the movement from ANYONE (even Triumph Riders lol) then its a good thing

Laugh all they like at the time spent bashing Parliaments doors, I recieved a promise of support,very public and visible, for the motorcycle community in NZ, roughly 160,000 class 6's out there and 99% are voting age....

Apathy is the enemy, and while the ACC thing is a single issue on its own, as Dave points out it shows how much this govt listen to the people.....they just dont.

[Mom]

Apathy is the enemy, and while the ACC thing is a single issue on its own, as Dave points out it shows how much this govt listen to the people.....they just dont.

NZ Riders Are Voters is the "new issue" as far as I am concerned. The undermining of the ACC scheme, and the discrimination to motorcyclists in the levy hikes and seperate charges is a very important part of what we are all about, but it not the defining issue.

MAG-NZ intends to bring the fact that are legitimate members of the community and we object strongly to being steadily and stealthily taxed off the road, right to the face of TPTB, regardless of what colour ties they wear.

[ynot slow]

Re bike cc rating and restricted,after following a guy and pillion on his new Harley,I asked him how long he had his bike(rego showed new within last month),he replied "since I got my full,used a mates wifes 250 to get it",I asked had he done much biking since his youth,"nope I'm new to it,turned 45 and decided to get a bike,didn't want to buy a learner class as I got full as soon as possible",so I politely told him,"well I suggest you use your mirrors when passing vehicles" he decided to pull out and pass a car,but another car and myself (in order)were indicating and passing,the SS commodore nearly had an expensive bonnet ornament,and I was going to get the wash.

He then said oh shit saw that at last minute,forgot to look hehe,in a very smug voice,but when I hinted his smugness could hurt his pillion and ME,his attitude sort of hit a change(should've been my fist and driver of car).Then the real piss off was he was a lawyer and advised me not to reort to violence,by which the commodore driver happened to stop,was he really pissed.Only time I took a car driver side v bikers.The car driver had class 1,2,5,6 with all sorts of enorsements and suggested the idiot buy a smaller bike,and was indignantly told "I wanted a Harley so bought one,who are you to tell me what to buy".

The restriction on cc is a farce regarding 250 that can get up n boogy,compared to my old TS185 '75 model,but it gave me off road fun,and to me that is the ideal way to learn,a bike you can hit the paddocks with and road craft to learn.

[caseye]

You expected the hardly rolls up hills rider to be anything less than a Legal Beagle.
Shit in this day and age who but a bloody legal thiefer can affrord one for a start.

As for the Attitude, well isn't it a good thing theres so many of us normal motorcyclists out there to counter the crap reputation he and his Ilk give us all.

I kinda hiope the prick visits here or at least that theres a few good old boys who ride Harleys who might know him and give him a cuff under the ear next time they see him.

[Voltaire]

Neither do I.

I can afford ACC. No issue there.

But this IS about more than the motorcycle ACC levy being overpriced.

It actually represents a shift in the way government thinks that may well affect things like Education, Health care, your kids future in a low wage economy with high housing prices.

It represents a willingness, to shift costs from a wide distribution base to a smaller one, justified with dodgy data and out-right lies.

And it is a time for us to see if we can be heard. Because if we cant be heard on this matter, when there are thousands of us, we are well organised, a broad subset of society, and clearly being rorted, the your kids will have a lot more to worry about than Dad being taxed off the road.

How do you expect the Govt to run a nanny state with 4 million people, with probably about 1.5 mill taxpayers. Why should a minority group who ride around on vehicles, that if they were invented today most likely be banned expect the taxpayer to fund their involvment in accidents. There are a lot more people who need govt money than blokes trying to relive their youth on vastly overpowered motorcycles who can't make it around a corner...if thats what they want to do let them take out private insurance like they do in other countrys.

( what do you think of my attempt at devils advocate???? :innocent:)

As Maha said...50 000 marching up Queens Street protesting about whatever ( supercity or summit)...and and 100 bikers. No one cares about motorcyclists and their high ACC levies....
Baby Boomers are the big concern of the future...they got it all for free in their youth, then changed it all to user pays loading kids up with huge loans.:violin:

[James Deuce]

How do you expect the Govt to run a nanny state with 4 million people, with probably about 1.5 mill taxpayers. Why should a minority group who ride around on vehicles, that if they were invented today most likely be banned expect the taxpayer to fund their involvment in accidents. There are a lot more people who need govt money than blokes trying to relive their youth on vastly overpowered motorcycles who can't make it around a corner...if thats what they want to do let them take out private insurance like they do in other countrys.

( what do you think of my attempt at devils advocate???? :innocent:)

As Maha said...50 000 marching up Queens Street protesting about whatever ( supercity or summit)...and and 100 bikers. No one cares about motorcyclists and their high ACC levies....
Baby Boomers are the big concern of the future...they got it all for free in their youth, then changed it all to user pays loading kids up with huge loans.:violin:

If anyone should have their ACC or Healthcare increased or moved to the private sector it's DIYers and Gardeners. Half a billion a year. Motorists in general are a drop in the bucket compared to them.

[Berries]

...if thats what they want to do let them take out private insurance like they do in other countrys.

( what do you think of my attempt at devils advocate???? :innocent:)
Pretty good actually. I'd vote for it.

[riffer]

If anyone should have their ACC or Healthcare increased or moved to the private sector it's DIYers and Gardeners. Half a billion a year. Motorists in general are a drop in the bucket compared to them.

Shhhh. I do both of those as well as ride a motorcycle. :facepalm:

[James Deuce]

Shhhh. I do both of those as well as ride a motorcycle. :facepalm:

Ahhh, they start to see it now.

[ynot slow]

If anyone should have their ACC or Healthcare increased or moved to the private sector it's DIYers and Gardeners. Half a billion a year. Motorists in general are a drop in the bucket compared to them.

Yep rego-pays for road offs,Employer levy-pays for work injuries,remove the acc from rego and put on petrol/fuel that way lawnmower/chainsaw type injuries are at least paid part way from this,also I can hear the boaties crying fowl.