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Swoop
3rd December 2010, 14:49
From the harold (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10691846).


Motorcyclists appear to be at less risk of crashing than other vehicles during a police pursuit, despite a perception to the contrary, police say.

A report released today cleared police of any blame over two separate pursuits involving three deaths, including a motorcyclist and his passenger, earlier this year.

But the Independent Police Conduct Authority (IPCA) reiterated a recommendation made last year that police track motorcycles separately, to ascertain whether they were at greater risk during pursuits.

Steven John Gorrie and his pillion passenger Makoto Izumi died after the 1200cc motorcycle they were travelling on hit an oncoming car on April 4 in Dome Valley, near Warkworth, north of Auckland.

Acting road policing manager Rob Morgan told NZPA that police started tracking all vehicle types involved in pursuits after the IPCA's recommendation last year, discovering that motorcyclists were at less risk of crashing during a pursuit than other vehicles.

"That came out as a result of probably a perception that chasing motorbikes is more risky than chasing other vehicles, but that's not actually really showing up in the statistics."

He said 9.7 per cent of motorcycles crashed during a pursuit, compared to 15.8 per cent of all pursuits.

"We're basically saying that it doesn't indicate a different way to treat motorcycles."

Already, police did not use spikes in motorcycle pursuits, as they did for cars, for the safety of riders. "That would really raise their risk of falling off."

The new tracking system meant police could be alert to any trends that showed up relating to pursuits.

The IPCA found last year that motorcyclists were involved in a disproportionate number of road crashes, but did not have enough information to determine whether it was more dangerous to pursue a motorcycle than another vehicle.

Authority chairwoman Justice Lowell Goddard said today that in the two 2010 cases it reviewed, all decisions, acts and conduct of the police officers were lawful, reasonable and justified.

Ricky Allan Forbes died after a Subaru Impreza driven by his cousin crashed into a tree near Murchison, south of Nelson in February. They were being pursued for dangerous driving and failing to stop.

Mr Forbes' cousin, Danny Forbes, later pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was sentenced to four years imprisonment.

The authority again found the police officer was justified in starting the pursuit, and complied with policy throughout.

- NZPA

Bassmatt
3rd December 2010, 14:54
Thats the answer right there, ride like your being chased = crash less.
Justify those speed limits now, fuckers!:woohoo:

Latte
3rd December 2010, 15:00
If I was a conspiracy theorist, I would say they are getting the public "warmed up" to them chasing us more, and harder.....

White trash
3rd December 2010, 15:04
If I was a conspiracy theorist, I would say they are getting the public "warmed up" to them chasing us more, and harder.....

"Us"? You're implying "we" run.

Latte
3rd December 2010, 15:05
"Us"? You're implying "we" run.

Yes.......

Bassmatt
3rd December 2010, 15:08
If I was a conspiracy theorist, I would say they are getting the public "warmed up" to them chasing us more, and harder.....
And when "we" crash it will be ok cos "we" do it less than cars.

imdying
3rd December 2010, 15:18
If I was a conspiracy theorist, I would say they are getting the public "warmed up" to them chasing us more, and harder.....They can chase all they like, but a piece of shit Holden isn't going to catch a GSXR1000 any time soon :laugh:

White trash
3rd December 2010, 15:21
I have a friend who built a reputation on being the King of the Runners (among other skills)

I've personally watched infrared footage taken from a police helicopter that goes for about 30 minutes of when he thought he'd chalked up another win.

Eventually, you'll get caught.

Maha
3rd December 2010, 15:28
The interesting thing about the Dome Valley crash is, it happened on probably the only place you could pass with relative saftey (in a car) apart from the two passing lanes that is. I have no knowledge of how that particular 'crash causing death' happened but suffice to say, a visual era must have been made by either the bike rider or the car driver. It happened at night.

SMOKEU
3rd December 2010, 15:28
If you want to outrun a cop while driving mums Civic you'd have to do some crazy shit to get away from a determined cop, while on a quick bike you could just be cruising and still get away.

imdying
3rd December 2010, 15:37
I have a friend who built a reputation on being the King of the Runners (among other skills)

I've personally watched infrared footage taken from a police helicopter that goes for about 30 minutes of when he thought he'd chalked up another win.

Eventually, you'll get caught.Maybe in big flash Auckland, but down here in the boonies, we ain't go no flash heli choper type things :violin::woohoo:

speedpro
3rd December 2010, 15:41
Riding along north of Timaru years ago at christmas a cop chased me and another guy for 22 miles, evidently, we didn't even know he was there. We did a runner without even knowing it and I wonder how often that happens.

shrub
3rd December 2010, 15:41
motorcycle riders generally have more skill than boy racers?

Nah, that's heresy. Ignore my post, silly idea.:facepalm:

javawocky
3rd December 2010, 15:45
If you want to outrun a cop while driving mums Civic you'd have to do some crazy shit to get away from a determined cop, while on a quick bike you could just be cruising and still get away.

When I was in UK I watched a program on police chases, and I noticed the cops going into corners wide and cutting in while the plebs did the normal run wide on exit - oops a lamp post thing. Wonder how much training cops get on driving?

Kickaha
3rd December 2010, 17:51
motorcycle riders generally have more skill than boy racers?

Nah, that's heresy. Ignore my post, silly idea.:facepalm:

More likely they just like to think they have

scumdog
3rd December 2010, 19:12
If you want to outrun a cop while driving mums Civic you'd have to do some crazy shit to get away from a determined cop, while on a quick bike you could just be cruising and still get away.

Well...some of the time.....assuming you don't bin too.

Toaster
3rd December 2010, 20:51
When I was in UK I watched a program on police chases, and I noticed the cops going into corners wide and cutting in while the plebs did the normal run wide on exit - oops a lamp post thing. Wonder how much training cops get on driving?


A lot more than the dickheads that run from them putting everyone at risk.

Gremlin
3rd December 2010, 20:54
I think adrenaline is the biggest issue. Stops you thinking clearly so increases risk. Cops should have less issues because they are experiencing it more often. Kind of similar to say, a professional sky diver vs someone doing it for the first couple of times.

shrub
4th December 2010, 05:43
More likely they just like to think they have

Yeah, that's what it is. Bloody motorcyclists, pack of idiots the lot of them - temporary New Zealanders, aye?

Kickaha
4th December 2010, 05:46
Yeah, that's what it is. Bloody motorcyclists, pack of idiots the lot of them - temporary New Zealanders, aye?

Temporary? I doubt that, they've been around to long to be temporary

A group with an overinflated sense of their own abilities would be more accurate

shrub
4th December 2010, 05:49
A group with an overinflated sense of their own abilities would be more accurate

Yeah, pack of bloody idiots. Except for you and me of course, we know better.:yes::niceone: