Speedpro Vs Richban?

[koba]

It looks like there is a cool rivalry heating up between our two horsepower heroes.

Who will place better at Taupo?

In the Blue Corner, representing cutting edge Diesel technology we have: RichBan of Wellington.
His bike: 24+ HP Suzuki FXR150.
Put together with the help of his brother, Mr Kelford Cams.
Quite new to the bucket scene Rich has made wave with his outrageously powered FXR, crashing out of the lead at Taupo last year he has unfinished business...

In the Green Corner, at the forefront of two-stroke wizardry we have : Speedpro.
His Bike 29+ HP Honda MB100 Powered FZR Special.
With decades of experience with tuning and racing buckets and an engine designed by the legendary Wobbly It looks like Speedpro is poised to improve on his own recent run of bad luck at Taupo (or before it).

Ladies and Gentlemen, I must ask again,

Who Will Win out of these two fine Bucket racers?

[Kickaha]

Who Will Win out of these two fine Bucket racers?

My vote goes for Diesel Pig :bleh:

[White trash]

Fucken neither.

F5 Dave will show up and tear them both a new arsehole. ON AN F5! Lol.

Good thread Malcolm.

[koba]

My vote goes for Diesel Pig :bleh:

I think this should be an interesting matchup regardless of whether it is for first ot last.


I was actually thinking a poll of top ten or so possible winners would be quite good too...

There are 12 max options so you could say top 11 plus one option for "other, not listed".

The problem is picking a top 11...

[koba]

Fucken neither.

F5 Dave will show up and tear them both a new arsehole. ON AN F5! Lol.



Have you seen his F4 Bike?!

[Shorty_925]

Who's going to put odds on this head to head and for the dnf/dns (would be shorter for both than head to head?)

[White trash]

What's truly awesome about this thread, is until now, F4 and 5 contenders have quietly been beavering away in the workshop knowing their time would come. MNZ have slowly over a number of years eroded the true tuners and inovators out of NZ motorcycling with their "Production is best" philosophy.

All of a sudden, more than one tuner is publicly making almost 300hp per litre from a naturally aspirated, 30 year old engine and all of a sudden, it's cool to ride a bucket!

I fucken love it.

Go the 2T!

[koba]

Who's going to put odds on this head to head and for the dnf/dns (would be shorter for both than head to head?)

I haven't even voted myself yet coz it is really hard to pick.
I'm thinking maybe the MB engine could die as it is much earlier in its development than Riches proven motor.

[White trash]

Have you seen his F4 Bike?!

I question whether it'll be ready. No question as to its sheer awesomeness whatsoever.

[koba]

What's truly awesome about this thread, is until now, F4 and 5 contenders have quietly been beavering away in the workshop knowing their time would come. MNZ have slowly over a number of years eroded the true tuners and inovators out of NZ motorcycling with their "Production is best" philosophy.

All of a sudden, more than one tuner is publicly making almost 300hp per litre from a naturally aspirated, 30 year old engine and all of a sudden, it's cool to ride a bucket!

I fucken love it.

Go the 2T!

I hear ya.

Except it has ALWAYS been cool to ride a bucket!

[White trash]

it has ALWAYS been cool to ride a bucket!

Untill you took up the sport........

[koba]

Untill you took up the sport........

*sigh* <tenchar>

[Buddha#81]

My moneys on Al Hoogie and his CBR.......but out of the two, which ever one goes the distance, both engines have to be a grenade with the pin pulled, how long are the fuses?

[Kickaha]

My moneys on Al Hoogie and his CBR.......

I didn't realise he was going, I might have to change my bet:yes:

[Buddha#81]

I didn't realise he was going, I might have to change my bet:yes:

Word on the street is they are......

[richban]

Malcolm you bastard.

[speedpro]

Is it cool to vote for yourself??

[speedpro]

Richban could get an Avatar like mine after Christmas, maybe.

[White trash]

You two should have a boxing match at TRRS as well. That'd be fricken robot ninja awesome!

[richban]

Is it cool to vote for yourself??

I was going to vote for you!

[richban]

You two should have a boxing match at TRRS as well. That'd be fricken robot ninja awesome!

Full leather's and helmets but the gloves are off. Fuck that we should just both beat the shit out of you.

[White trash]

Fuck that we should just both beat the shit out of you.

Well sonny, you could try. Truth of the matter is that I've won every fight I've ever been in.













By at least a hundred meters.

[F5 Dave]

My vote goes for Diesel Pig :bleh:
His bike ain't quick, - or even 1/2 way quick. It just handles nice & is easy to ride. . . except for the sharp edges on the tank & odd footrest position.

Unless of course he has been doing some tuning. Riding it at the BOB inspired me to start again with mine.

[jasonu]

Neither. In my opinion Greens bike, without full water cooling and needing to rev
10k+rpm to keep going, will most likely let go and Richbans bike is not a horsepower hero (see ESE thread).
Someone else will win, hopefully a 2 stroke.
Next year, Green will be my vote. Development and all that...

[richban]

Well sonny, you could try. Truth of the matter is that I've won every fight I've ever been in.

By at least a hundred meters.

Nice. Me nether.

[Str8 Jacket]

Someone else will win, hopefully a 2 stroke.


I lufs you Rich, I really do BUT I really do love 2 smokers.....

[gav]

My bet would be on Al Hoogie, current NZ 125 champ, after seeing him beat 150 S/S on Ruapuna full circuit!! His CBR150 flies! His bro James 2nd on the "std" FXR ... :yes:

[Kendog]

My bet would be on Al Hoogie, current NZ 125 champ, after seeing him beat 150 S/S on Ruapuna full circuit!! His CBR150 flies! His bro James 2nd on the "std" FXR ... :yes:
If we could get Sketchy there on his bucket......
Now that would be a great race.

[Kendog]

Oh yeah, 4 stroke all the way for this thread :rockon:

[Str8 Jacket]

Oh yeah, 4 stroke all the way for this thread :rockon:

I still voted for Rich!!

[all4A50s]

Richban all the way, given his bike's reliability and his riding ability. But it would be cool to see a CBR take it out.



My bet would be on Al Hoogie, current NZ 125 champ, after seeing him beat 150 S/S on Ruapuna full circuit!! His CBR150 flies! His bro James 2nd on the "std" FXR ... :yes:

Does anyone know his CBR's HP?

[Buckets4Me]

I haven't even voted myself yet coz it is really hard to pick.
I'm thinking maybe the MB engine could die as it is much earlier in its development than Riches proven motor.

had a laugh at this one

how many years in the build is this engine ???

how about Avalon on Chambers bike since he cant ride this year (skill and HP with a little bit of handling)
AND his bike now handles with more HP than last year (when Avalon refused to ride it after passing nearly everyone before the second corner)

[puddytat]

Be the Hoogie boy for me, he was flying at KOR .....thats a damn quick bike & a damn quick fella on it:yes:

[koba]

had a laugh at this one

how many years in the build is this engine ???

how about Avalon on Chambers bike since he cant ride this year (skill and HP with a little bit of handling)
AND his bike now handles with more HP than last year (when Avalon refused to ride it after passing nearly everyone before the second corner)

Whats your point?

[koba]

Malcolm you bastard.
Go on, you know you love it. I was a bit bummed out at the lack of hype.


Is it cool to vote for yourself??

yes. very.

[koba]

Neither. In my opinion Greens bike, without full water cooling and needing to rev
10k+rpm to keep going, will most likely let go and Richbans bike is not a horsepower hero (see ESE thread).
Someone else will win, hopefully a 2 stroke.
Next year, Green will be my vote. Development and all that...

The poll is't for who will win outright, just out of these two.

[koba]

My bet would be on Al Hoogie, current NZ 125 champ, after seeing him beat 150 S/S on Ruapuna full circuit!! His CBR150 flies! His bro James 2nd on the "std" FXR ... :yes:

See above...

[Buckets4Me]

Whats your point?

so richbands engine was nutted out only this year
and speedpros has been around for 3 or 4 years
by your logic Richban is going to go boom!
and speedpro will finish the F1 ahead of Andrew Stroud (engine has had more and longer development)

I think it's going to be an interesting year

[koba]

so richbands engine was nutted out only this year
and speedpros has been around for 3 or 4 years
by your logic Richban is going to go boom!
and speedpro will finish the F1 ahead of Andrew Stroud (engine has had more and longer development)

I think it's going to be an interesting year

No, that wasn't what I was saying at all.

I thought the current speedpro engine configuration was only just in the final stages of tune recently?

I know he has run an MB for ages but I wasn't aware the current one had that many miles on it.

Rich ran his current engine at the GP last year so its been going (bloody!) well for over a year. I'm not sure if he is going to run that engine or the newer one still in development. You could always ask him.

As for the Andrew Stroud thing: Don't be silly! you know I only mentioned it as a key factor out of many, many variables.


You're correct in saying it is going to be an interesting year, there is certainly some very hot competition from all around the country.

I started making a list of possible winners/podium finishers but it was so long I gave up! I couldn't pick it.

I can't wait to see it, I hope someone gets a good video...

[Str8 Jacket]

I can't wait to see it

What do you mean see it, you'll be bloody racing in the same race numbnuts!! :facepalm:

[speedpro]

FYI I've been building this engine for over 6 years now. I've been running the new bottom end ever since I exploded the old engine, with the old engine resurrected cylinder on it. That cylinder revved a lot lower and made a lot less power though I'm pretty sure I know a way to fix both those problems. I'm reasonably confident about this engine as I've been real careful to do everything perfectly and use all the right bits put together properly for the intended end use. My old MB sidecar engine revved to 14,000rpm(ish) and that crank lasted 6 years. This motor is built specifically for those revs.

[richban]

FYI I'm reasonably confident about this engine as I've been real careful to do everything perfectly and use all the right bits put together properly for the intended end use. My old MB sidecar engine revved to 14,000rpm(ish) and that crank lasted 6 years. This motor is built specifically for those revs.

FYI. My new engine is on the raged edge, and using a mix cheap and expensive untested parts and is still in lots of bits. I have no confidence what so ever that it will hold together. I just pray it blows up when I am running it in at our last meeting in wellington. So I can put the old motor in and finish the race. Maybe.

[koba]

FYI I've been building this engine for over 6 years now. I've been running the new bottom end ever since I exploded the old engine, with the old engine resurrected cylinder on it. That cylinder revved a lot lower and made a lot less power though I'm pretty sure I know a way to fix both those problems. I'm reasonably confident about this engine as I've been real careful to do everything perfectly and use all the right bits put together properly for the intended end use. My old MB sidecar engine revved to 14,000rpm(ish) and that crank lasted 6 years. This motor is built specifically for those revs.


FYI. My new engine is on the raged edge, and using a mix cheap and expensive untested parts and is still in lots of bits. I have no confidence what so ever that it will hold together. I just pray it blows up when I am running it in at our last meeting in wellington. So I can put the old motor in and finish the race. Maybe.

Haha! Brilliant!

True, I wasn't up on the fine details of the engines.

I got a ride on that Sidecar the other week. (pretty sure it's the same one)
Although not identical to before it amazed me with how much power it had.

[F5 Dave]

My vote goes for Diesel Pig :bleh:
Again I know this is just about these two, but is someone going to make sure Bren gets up to Taupo this year? He's been a bit quiet lately but he'd put the cat amongst the pigeons.

[koba]

Again I know this is just about these two, but is someone going to make sure Bren gets up to Taupo this year? He's been a bit quiet lately but he'd put the cat amongst the pigeons.

Thats 25 people then. no wait, 26.

I my mind I think there are at least 26 people I can think of that are capable of winning the GP on the right bike. There are bound to be more I don't know of or who have improved enough to be in with some kind of chance.

[fi5hy]

OK then I'm coming Ive got a 200 motor to put in

[Henk]

Can I start building an SV650 bucket?

[koba]

Can I start building an SV650 bucket?

There is a clip on youtube titled somthing like "wellington buckets" that features Sully doing a rolling burnout on an SV650 all the way around the slipway.

[koba]

OK then I'm coming Ive got a 200 motor to put in

It's pretty scary that even if you bored yours out to 200 or whatever it still probably wouldn't have a shitshow at making the power that some of the other bikes make.

[fi5hy]

It's pretty scary that even if you bored yours out to 200 or whatever it still probably wouldn't have a shitshow at making the power that some of the other bikes make.

ya bastard I might just have to ride it harder then

[speedpro]

I've seen the video of you riding it harder. Got a REAL close close-up of the gravel at one point.

[koba]

ya bastard I might just have to ride it harder then

You can ride harder than THAT! :gob:

[fi5hy]

You can ride harder than THAT! :gob:

you haven't seen me ride my Mistress yet have you:facepalm:

[speedpro]

I've logged on as 5 different people and voted for myself and I'm still coming second!

[F5 Dave]

you haven't seen me ride my Mistress yet have you:facepalm:You know the KB rules; Pictures or it didn't happen.
Actually I hope you've shaved that Porn star mo by now, might be a bit too convincing.:sick:

[ac3_snow]

I've logged on as 5 different people and voted for myself and I'm still coming second!

liar! I cast at least one of those votes in your favor haha might have to change my mind now

[richban]

Better late than never. The new engine is in and running sweet. Sounds a lot different. Not as loud. Just need to get a couple of hours running in before it is thrashed. I won't get a chance to put it on the dyno but it is making more power that is for sure. We will just have to wait and see at Taupo.

[TZ350]

Rich, I am looking forward to seeing your bike at Taupo and having a look at it.

[fi5hy]

Better late than never. The new engine is in and running sweet. Sounds a lot different. Not as loud. Just need to get a couple of hours running in before it is thrashed. I won't get a chance to put it on the dyno but it is making more power that is for sure. We will just have to wait and see at Taupo.

Why aren't you riding today ya faggot

[Str8 Jacket]

Why aren't you riding today ya faggot

did you ride today mister? hmmmm?

[wobbly]

I thought I might turn up to keep NoMates hands off the jetbox so he actually finishes..
Then none of you wankers will stand a chance,cos if the thing doesnt blast past you on the straight, then he will ride over the top of you in a corner.

[richban]

I thought I might turn up to keep NoMates hands off the jetbox so he actually finishes..
Then none of you wankers will stand a chance,cos if the thing doesnt blast past you on the straight, then he will ride over the top of you in a corner.

Just mentioned your encouraging comments to Kev and he asked me to reply with.

Quote ( I am going to kick your fucken crutch out form under wobbly leg and tea bag your ass.) end quote.

You must be better mates than I thought.

See yah at Taupo.

[speedpro]

I thought I might turn up to keep NoMates hands off the jetbox so he actually finishes..
Then none of you wankers will stand a chance,cos if the thing doesnt blast past you on the straight, then he will ride over the top of you in a corner.

For everyone's information, he isn't talking about me. The full name of the person referred to is Nigel NoMates.

[Henk]

For everyone's information, he isn't talking about me. The full name of the person referred to is Nigel NoMates.

You suggesting you do have mates?:gob:

[koba]

I thought I might turn up to keep NoMates hands off the jetbox so he actually finishes..
Then none of you wankers will stand a chance,cos if the thing doesnt blast past you on the straight, then he will ride over the top of you in a corner.

I've seen him before and well believe it.

[Buckets4Me]

then he will ride over the top of you in a corner.


thats about right

the only thing saving us is he keeps blowing it up :facepalm:
or getting himself knocked off and braking the bike :facepalm:

there should be a rule about how wide the handle bars are allowed to be

[F5 Dave]

Ahh he'd told me he might not make it this year. Would be good to see him get a decent go on a long track.

Welcome to the site Wayne.

[wobbly]

Nomates engine layout was designed around 32crank Hp as he didnt want to rev it past 12500, this theoretically should be around 28RWHP and it was, from the first day on the dyno.
The MB100 setup was to peak at around 13000 and should do 35 crank from memory ( it was 4 years ago i did the numbers), so by rights would be just over 30RWHp if everything was done properly - and it pretty much has been obviously..

Kev and I have been mates for many years - I did the bucket pipe design for him as a favour,so there was and is no "war" going on,but, he knows full well that 4 strokes suck shit and making money off them is the only job he can get because I do 2 strokes better.

[richban]

I did the bucket pipe design for him as a favour,

Well Just got back from the Dyno and no so happy. 25.3hp but its all up the top. It hated the wobbly megaphone. I gained 1.5 hp and got rid of a big reversion type dip in the middle by putting the old pipe back on. Also spurng a leak on the gear shaft. Long story short the old engine is going back in. It makes about 4 more hp at 8000 and only one less at the top. Fucken engines!

[TZ350]

Hi Rich, sorry to hear it didn't work out first time, I expect you will get it sorted when your not so rushed........... only a few more sleeps before Taupo..... :woohoo:

[richban]

Hi Rich, sorry to hear it didn't work out first time, I expect you will get it sorted when your not so rushed........... only a few more sleeps before Taupo..... :woohoo:

Yeh there is potential there. Still apples to apples it has almost 8 more hp than when we started.

[kel]

Use the design Swiss gave your brother, Ive run it through the simulator and cant beat it for spread of power plus the reverse cone should go some way to easing the megaphonics. Speed Wobbles pipe had to much angle and was always going to knock the midrange (but I was curious to see the result). Have a look at some of the old Honda papers (yeah i know they're old but who has developed it further?)anything more than 4 degrees reflects a Positive returning wave which is just to short.
Get welding man, you are the four stroke hope, nothing less than a wide 25hp is going to cut it!


Well Just got back from the Dyno and no so happy. 25.3hp but its all up the top. It hated the wobbly megaphone. I gained 1.5 hp and got rid of a big reversion type dip in the middle by putting the old pipe back on. Also spurng a leak on the gear shaft. Long story short the old engine is going back in. It makes about 4 more hp at 8000 and only one less at the top. Fucken engines!

[richban]

Get welding man, you are the four stroke hope, nothing less than a wide 25hp is going to cut it!

Nah wide 24 is going to have to do. I can't be assed. Time to drink beer.

[Buddha#81]

Nah wide 24 is going to have to do. I can't be assed. Time to drink beer.

Go for It man, you are living the dream for us all.......(can ya fell the pressure mounting?):corn:

[fi5hy]

fuck that old shiter of an engine you need to give it to me:innocent:

[richban]

Go for It man, you are living the dream for us all.......(can ya fell the pressure mounting?):corn:

Ok all is not lost. Just need to find a seal for the gear selection shaft. And we are back in the game with the new engine.

[richban]

Bike is fixed. It is insane! Looks like the gas analyzer is fecked at the dyno. It was saying rich but what it meant to say was Lean. It has way more grunt even compared to the last motor. But with grunt comes clutch slip. Going to put the other clutch in and see if that one is better.

Don't know how much hp it has now but don't care the easiest way to find out will be to race someone with 30.

It is on like the donkey kong.

[richban]

He knows full well that 4 strokes suck shit and making money off them is the only job he can get because I do 2 strokes better.

Spoke to Kev today. He said its all true. I didn't think he would admit it.

[speedpro]

pictures, or it didn't happen.

If I have to I'll just follow you round till it either
1 - drops a valve
2 - breaks a tappet
3 - spits a shim
4 - breaks the cam chain
5 - shags the cam chain tensioner
6 - some other 4-stroke drama . . . . . . :yeah:

[richban]

pictures, or it didn't happen.

I will have the video camera facing backwards at Taupo. So there will be plenty of pictures to show what happened. 24 a second. I just wish it did slow mo.

No more talk, got to go change a clutch and fix an oil leak.

[koba]

Nah wide 24 is going to have to do. I can't be assed. Time to drink beer.

I've never thought of 25 horsepower as a "make do" level in buckets!


11 is going to have to do for me...

[richban]

I've never thought of 25 horsepower as a "make do" level in buckets!

Well if you add the supposed Dyno dynamics to dyno jet conversion it could be 29.7

Or the other way could be only 20.

What would be good would be same dyno same day. Anyone got one on a trailer.

[RMS eng]

I've never thought of 25 horsepower as a "make do" level in buckets!


11 is going to have to do for me...

25 hp buckets have been around for a while,20 years ago the top 5-6 100cc buckets at the GP would have been making 20+ hp.so 5 hp in 20 years is not a big jump,11 hp is what a stock TS125 will make.

[Str8 Jacket]

25 hp buckets have been around for a while,20 years ago the top 5-6 100cc buckets at the GP would have been making 20+ hp.so 5 hp in 20 years is not a big jump,11 hp is what a stock TS125 will make.

lol, he was being sarcastic mate! ;)

[RMS eng]

lol, he was being sarcastic mate! ;)

i could see that mate,but there are alot of new bucket racers,who think you need thousands of $$$ and hours on the dyno to get 20+ hp,

[Str8 Jacket]

i could see that mate,but there are alot of new bucket racers,who think you need thousands of $$$ and hours on the dyno to get 20+ hp,

It's not just some bucket racers who think ya need to spend thousands to go fast either!

[richban]

It's not just some bucket racers who think ya need to spend thousands to go fast either!

Wrong. You need to spend money to get power. To go fast you need to ride the wheels off whatever you've got.

[nudemetalz]

Meanwhile,.....who has the fastest Loncin?
Fi5hy?
Anyone else up north?

[Buckets4Me]

i could see that mate,but there are alot of new bucket racers,who think you need thousands of $$$ and hours on the dyno to get 20+ hp,


you dont need heaps of money to get 20 h/p it's the + that adds up :p

and it's more like 10 extra h/p in 20 years there mate
so thats 50% gain in 20 years and nearly a 300% gain over a standard ts125 ( 11 h/p? )

[koba]

25 hp buckets have been around for a while,20 years ago the top 5-6 100cc buckets at the GP would have been making 20+ hp.so 5 hp in 20 years is not a big jump,11 hp is what a stock TS125 will make.


lol, he was being sarcastic mate! ;)

No, I really think it would be around 11HP, My arse dyno isn't calibrated all that acccuratley but it is a standard engine with a random pipe.

[RMS eng]

you dont need heaps of money to get 20 h/p it's the + that adds up :p

and it's more like 10 extra h/p in 20 years there mate
so thats 50% gain in 20 years and nearly a 300% gain over a standard ts125 ( 11 h/p? )

it was just an example mate,20 years is a long time ago,10 years ago Daves MB100 and Jasons KE100 were making 25hp so thats only 20% if your making 29.6hp,which is alot,but at the end of the day you can claim all the top end power you want but if you don't win any thing or cut out some fast laps it don't mean shit,but good luck to all the fast two strokes,and Daves little derbi 80s,

[richban]

Just got it jetted mint on the track and the bottom end locked up. Live fast die young isn't that how it goes.

I will post a warning about running Akunar crank pins later but that is the second one to die with about 1 hour of riding on the clock that I know of. Stay away stay away. The engine design is a winner just need to do the crank the old fashioned way. 1 more beer and I will go put old faithful back in.

Merry Christmas.

[Rick 52]

Gutted for you Rich ..

[TZ350]

Just got it jetted mint on the track and the bottom end locked up. Live fast die young isn't that how it goes.

Sorry to hear of the B/E failure, but now you know you have a good formula, the rest is details.........

[Buckets4Me]

Just got it jetted mint on the track and the bottom end locked up. Live fast die young isn't that how it goes.

Merry Christmas.

not a good start :facepalm: :sick:


pictures, or it didn't happen.

If I have to I'll just follow you round till it either
1 - drops a valve
2 - breaks a tappet
3 - spits a shim
4 - breaks the cam chain
5 - shags the cam chain tensioner
6 - some other 4-stroke drama . . . . . . :yeah:
so it must have been #6
lucky it wasent gearbox trouble (witch got 2 of the 2 strokes last year)



it was just an example mate,20 years is a long time ago,10 years ago Daves MB100 and Jasons KE100 were making 25hp so thats only 20% if your making 29.6hp,which is alot,but at the end of the day you can claim all the top end power you want but if you don't win any thing or cut out some fast laps it don't mean shit,but good luck to all the fast two strokes,and Daves little derbi 80s,

how about having just enough to piss people off when they try and pass coming out of a corner (thats about all I can aim for :facepalm:)

[Damien_Toman]

Just got it jetted mint on the track and the bottom end locked up. ...... 1 more beer and I will go put old faithful back in.

Merry Christmas.

Bugger! So close to TRRS too. Hope the old one goes well for you at Taupo. Keep the rubber down this time and you'll be rockin'.

[Kickaha]

I will post a warning about running Akunar crank pins later but that is the second one to die with about 1 hour of riding on the clock that I know of. Stay away stay away.

Is it the pin or the bearing that fails?

I was going to get one of their offset pins but a mate in engineering advised me to check the hardness on the pin before we did any assembly

[richban]

Is it the pin or the bearing that fails?

I was going to get one of their offset pins but a mate in engineering advised me to check the hardness on the pin before we did any assembly


The split bearing is the problem. We checked the pin it was mint. Hard as feck.

[speedpro]

I have an offset pin made by "Heat Treatments" in my MB. The finish wasn't what I was hoping for but it's done OK so far. It's assembled up with 22mm bearing and thrust washers between the MB crank wheels. It only has 20mm ends but 22mm in the middle, offset .75mm. It also has a hole in the middle of a certain size which is what I used to alter the balance factor of the crank.

[speedpro]

Sorry to hear about your problem with all the work being put in.

[richban]

Sorry to hear about your problem with all the work being put in.

All good. Thats what you get for cutting corners and rushing a build. The next one will be better. I think that if we want to keep up with the likes of you on the HP front a new base engine is needed. I like the look of the YZF -R 125. It has a massive stroke is water cooled and injected.

[speedpro]

I think you're onto something key to the whole end game. With the FXR you are starting with a "budget" commuter. The YZF is more performance oriented to start and therefore maybe a better base for a performance build. Plus I like Yamaha bikes. They just seem to be a better built machine, though you do pay for it.

[richban]

I think you're onto something key to the whole end game. With the FXR you are starting with a "budget" commuter. The YZF is more performance oriented to start and therefore maybe a better base for a performance build. Plus I like Yamaha bikes. They just seem to be a better built machine, though you do pay for it.

The key will be the cylinder head design. Layout and how big you can go with the valves. Also the bike its self is a really good base for a bucket. For one the wheels are the correct size for the slicks we use. Also they have great ground clearance they are quite stiff and so on. Oh and look cool. They are the future for the 4 stroke lovers among us.

[TZ350]

Is this it?........ YZF-R 15

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"all-aluminum cylinders made by YAMAHA’s proprietary aluminum die casting technology. An aluminum alloy with 20% silicon content is used to create a very hard, reliable cylinder surface, making conventional iron sleeves obsolete. As a result, the entire cylinder can be made of aluminum,"

(Briggs and Stratton lawn mowers did this with a chromed piston and rings)

150cc made in India. http://www.indiaon2wheels.com/yamaha-yzf-r15-launched/

[richban]

Is this it?........ YZF-R 15

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Yep.

They cost just under 10k in nz. If you know anyone in India you could pick one up new for around $2800

Also Derbi do one similar. Derbi Engine has a dry clutch even.

[TZ350]

They cost just under 10k in nz. If you know anyone in India you could pick one up new for around $2800

Also Derbi do one similar. Derbi Engine has a dry clutch even.


They look just the bees knees............

[richban]

They look just the bees knees............

Yep just need them to start filtering through turners damaged vehicles like all them FXRs and we are in business. Won't take long unfortunately for some of those learner riders out there. Anyway back to the shed need to wire up sump plugs etc.

[kel]

Nah come on its a beginners commuter, shockingly long stroke , single cam, small valve, Hondas poor cousin of a commuter. That said we'll be in India in May so if you want to place orders ...

[jasonu]

All good. Thats what you get for cutting corners and rushing a build. The next one will be better. I think that if we want to keep up with the likes of you on the HP front a new base engine is needed. I like the look of the YZF -R 125. It has a massive stroke is water cooled and injected.

What corners did you cut?

[Ned Kelly]

All good. Thats what you get for cutting corners and rushing a build. The next one will be better. I think that if we want to keep up with the likes of you on the HP front a new base engine is needed. I like the look of the YZF -R 125. It has a massive stroke is water cooled and injected.

Well this is the next step that has been sitting in the shed waiting for the boys to figure out what we are going to do with it. Not sure if there will be some rule changes but it could be a weapon.Bought as rolling chasis and the engine came later all 2006 model. Has a good base to start from and make something pretty good.:woohoo:

[richban]

What corners did you cut?

All the square ones.

[richban]

shockingly long stroke

Perfect for hauling fat old fat dudes out of corners. And kart tracks.

[koba]

Well this is the next step that has been sitting in the shed waiting for the boys to figure out what we are going to do with it. Not sure if there will be some rule changes but it could be a weapon.Bought as rolling chasis and the engine came later all 2006 model. Has a good base to start from and make something pretty good.:woohoo:

Shit that's a good photo, looks like a professional sales brochure one.
Thats a real minter.

[F5 Dave]

Well? Who's bike did what?

[Buckets4Me]

Well? Who's bike did what?


have to give that one to Richban

as Speedpro was to scared to run slicks in the rain:violin:

but from what i heard Speedpro and Richban where pretty eaven in a strait line :shit:

[speedpro]

Mine went pretty good on Monday in the dry though I still don't know my way round that track but did get better in the 2nd practice. Rich's bike is a rocket. His new carb woke it up big time evidently and it was flying. I'm dreading him getting the "fast" motor sorted. Tuesday was wet. I did go out in the practice but some goober left a trail of oil for the full circuit and took a different line avoiding the first and subsequent trails each lap. By the 4th there wasn't much track left without pretty rainbow colours in the water. On slicks I wasn't taking many risks and then sat out the rest of the day as it was a pointless exercise for me in the wet. Rich was again flying but had his hands full with another Kelford cams FXR and a couple of other bikes all on wets.

Short version - I sat it out, DNS, and Rich came 3rd or 4th I think.

[TZ350]

Yep, have to give that one to Rich, there was some pretty determined riding from Andrew A, Gavin, Richban, Nathanial and Rick. Once again, FXR's on the podium chased home by 2-Smokers.

Without wets, Speedpro and I sensibly stayed out of the rain, thats my story and I am sticking to it........... :D

[Str8 Jacket]

There were actually quite a few people in A grade that were running slicks today...

Rich took 3rd!

Go wellys

[TZ350]

There were actually quite a few people in A grade that were running slicks today...

Rich took 3rd!

Go wellys

Totaly impressed by the Wellys and their FXR's

and also very very impressed by those that ran slicks in the wet at Taupo...... :not:

[Bert]

Well done Andrew and Rich !!

[Trudes]

Some of us are just harder than others..... or just too poor to buy wets!! :laugh:
It wasn't that bad once the sidecars had swept most of the rainbow off the track, just had to be a little weary of the painted lines, those were bloody slippery!! :gob:
Big ups to Andrew A, that man was motoring and is also considerate of us slower folk when passing. :)

[Shorty_925]

Well done to Andrew, bike and rider were very fast! Getting lapped in race 1 wasnt all that fun! :facepalm: Good to see a FXR taking the win again.

Those white lines and patch joins were the slipperiest thing on the track all day, a bit of fun to see if the bike would slide that little bit more each lap and get away with it.

I ended up in 12th in the second race on slicks, and the CBR infront of me was on road tyres, dont think anyone else infront of me was on slicks? Wasnt a bad result for a standard engine, maybe need to find some power so I dont get left behind on the straights.

[Rick 52]

Well done To everybody it was bloody rough conditions:shutup: But Andrew, Gavin and Rich they were fantastic great riding skills :shit:..I think the meeting went very well such a shame about the weather on Monday night and all day Tuesday ...Felt bad for you Mike after all your hard work But next year I'm sure wets will be sorted ...Not that we will need them Hope everybody got home ok ..

[Ned Kelly]

Well done To everybody it was bloody rough conditions:shutup: But Andrew, Gavin and Rich they were fantastic great riding skills :shit:..I think the meeting went very well such a shame about the weather on Monday night and all day Tuesday ...Felt bad for you Mike after all your hard work But next year I'm sure wets will be sorted ...Not that we will need them Hope everybody got home ok ..

You did bloddy well Rick on that new bike. It went well and I am sure you will get it going better when you have some time. I thought after the dry weather on Monday I could stay with you if my start was ok, but with the wet no chance. :facepalm:
You were talking about times for the 3 hour race. Here is the link if you have not already found it.

http://www.mylaps.com/results/showrun.jsp?id=1767061

Cheers
Scott

[Buckets4Me]

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no wonder he is so fast he can dig his way out of most things

[richban]

Well what a great couple of days. First Practice was not so hot I felt like I was riding like a real spaz and just didn't get smooth at all. Second practice was a different story all together. The bike was screaming after a little needle change and the near new rubber just had a level of grip that was out of this world. I started that practice with the intention of staying with Andrew and maybe pissing him off buy showing him the wheel. Was all going according to plan until My stupid invention to stop the gear shifter for going past its return stuck me in 5th. I ended up pulling off to fix it and found myself near Mike when I rejoined. We both came onto the Start finish straight at the same time and I tucked in behind as we both were on the gas hard. There was nothing much in it. Apples to apples I think he has more power but I was getting better drive from the corner. All fun and games.

Race day and rain. I don't mind the rain but new Andrew is really strong on the wet stuff. My fist time on wets and I was just a bit unsure as to how much grip they have I had heard the stories but until you are pushing them your self its all just theory. Qualifying was shit with all the oil. Ended up binning just tipping in to the final corner on lap 4 ish picked it up then carried on slow till the red flag. Race 1 and the plan was to stay upright and get more used to the wets. Started on the front row and got a shocker. Rick passed me like I was standing still and started to disappear. I sorted myself out and went after the flying 52. I was having a ball and saw I was catching with ever lap but when I got on his wheel it was another thing to get passed. That thing was flying it would pull away on any straight bit even when I got better drive out of the corners he would just gas on and I could do nothing in the end I had to try and out break him and keep it smooth and go after number 88 I got passed but the race was red flagged and it didn't count.

The big one. Well after seeing Andrew and Gavin go at it in the first race I didn't think I could find the 1.5 seconds I needed from the get go. I got a better start and found myself behind Nathaniel. I got pasted and pulled a gap and felt good but just made no dent into Andrew and Gavin's lead. I was picking through the Street stocks when one dude tried to block me and out break me in turn 6 or 7 maybe he ending up tucking the front and smacking into the back of me I tried to turn in but he was holding me up while still crashing so had to straighten up and gas it across the kitty litter to the grass, turn the bike and gas it back across to the track. Thank god for wets they hook up nice it the soft stuff. By this time Nathaniel and Rick had got passed. I had the rage and managed to haul them both back in and take 3rd back. A vast improvement on last years effort.

Well after all the Talk about power, 2 stroke v 4 stroke. I think there is one performance mod we could all agree on. A good tyre will get you a long long way.

It was great to see you all again and put faces to names. Almost everyone had a smile on there face at the end of the day. A great bunch

Congratulations to Andrew and Gavin on a great ride.

Next year .......... maybe

[Shorty_925]

Have uploaded photos from the GP race only, thats all that were taken.

http://picasaweb.google.com/pete.l.robson/BucketGP281210#

[Buckets4Me]

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Next poll will be between these two :woohoo::drinkup:

who can improve on there bikes
richban and his new engine or Rick52 and his new bike 4 stroke or 2

[Rick 52]

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2stroke for sure I am really inspired by my new bike it handled like a dream and was so light you could feel every little thing between the tyre and the seal ...still lots of work to be done but for its first race I'm over the moon :woohoo:

[koba]

2stroke for sure I am really inspired by my new bike it handled like a dream and was so light you could feel every little thing between the tyre and the seal ...still lots of work to be done but for its first race I'm over the moon :woohoo:

You should be, you went bloody well on it!