aaarggh

[Jonty]

:mad: Just got my morning mail and what do I find - a mobile speed camera ticket for doing 111km/h on the Hutt motorway at 10am on a Saturday morning :mad: :mad: . I do not intend to get off the ticket or condone speeding, but I really pisses me off that keeping up with the flow of traffic gives you a bloody ticket.

rant rant rant

I feel better now

[bear]

What do they charge for that speed nowadays?

[Jonty]

What do they charge for that speed nowadays?

$80 which I would rather spend on my bike!!

[Biff]

Bugger.
Can you claim that an involuntary fart pushed you over the tolerance threshold?

[Riff Raff]

Speaking of speeding fines: Does anyone know how far away from a 100km sign a policeman can stand with a handheld radar - and whether the documentation shows how far away from the sign you were when he got a fix on your speed. I got nabbed by a cop hiding behind a bush, 20m from the 100km sign as I was leaving Bulls to head back up to Auckland.

[White trash]

Speaking of speeding fines: Does anyone know how far away from a 100km sign a policeman can stand with a handheld radar - and whether the documentation shows how far away from the sign you were when he got a fix on your speed. I got nabbed by a cop hiding behind a bush, 20m from the 100km sign as I was leaving Bulls to head back up to Auckland.

It's supposed to be like 250 meters after a speed reduction, sounds like you were done by some copper shooting back into the 50 zone.

I think that's perfectly legal.

If he had'a got ya going into the 50 zone, from a hundred, you'd have grounds for a complaint. Shouldn't be fucken speeding anyway.

I only travel at 108 kph now and I must say, it's done wonders for my fuel consumption. Magnificent!

[Biff]

My last speeding ticket was for excelerating too early into a 100 kmph zone. I was in a 50 zone, a small township between ChCh and Queenstown, and I accelerated before a 100 zone started, reaching a mind blowing 8? kph. I was absolutely furious with the cop when he said he was going to ticket me, as he'd apparently followed me (in a mufty) for between 15-20 K from a rural area, into a township and back out again. Not once (apart from accelerationg early) during this time did I go over 100 in a 100 limit or 45 in the 50 area. Bastard. And I sure as shit accelerated a lot less than 200 meters from the sign post. So I'd love to know what the law really is. Well - maybe I wouldnt as I'd be really pissed off if he was actually wrong to have ticketed me.

3? kmph over - $300 bucks. 40 demeit points. Bastard.












Bastard.

[bear]

I understood it to be 200m.

[Paul in NZ]

It's only a gentlemans agreement thing.... Ya gotta be careful!

[Skunk]

There is no 200 or 250 metres... it's at the sign. Up to the cop as to what he dones.

As WT says: he can't stand in a 50 zone and shoot into the 100 zone to nab you for over 50 speeds. But you must be doing the right speed at the sign.

[vifferman]

But you must be doing the right speed at the sign.
That was how I was taught.
Doesn't mean I don't sometimes 'jump the gun' and speed up a little early though...:whistle:

[Grizz]

I would be gutted also to recive that if I was keeping up with the flow of traffic. :mad: Also if they allow a discretionary limit of 10km over arn't you techincally breaching the limit by 1km, and is any speedo or speed camera accurate to within 1km. All I hear is the ringing of a cash register.

[Lou Girardin]

The Police did announce that it would be policy to allow 200 metres tolerance after a speed reduction.
Just console yourselves with the knowledge that you are helping to pay for the next Hip Hop study grant. :Police: :brick:

[Biff]

I would be gutted also to recive that if I was keeping up with the flow of traffic. :mad: Also if they allow a discretionary limit of 10km over arn't you techincally breaching the limit by 1km, and is any speedo or speed camera accurate to within 1km. All I hear is the ringing of a cash register.

'Technically' you're going 11 kmph over the limit. The 10% tolerance is supposedly exists just to cover of any issues relating to inaccuracies in vehicle Speedos, so I've been told.

[Jonty]

'Technically' you're going 11 kmph over the limit. The 10% tolerance is supposedly exists just to cover of any issues relating to inaccuracies in vehicle Speedos, so I've been told.

You're right, but since this was a mobile camera, surely the cop could have "adjusted" the discretion (if thats possible) if he felt traffic was travelling smoothly and safely. I'm positive it is people doing 90-100 on the motorway that causes the delays. Im sure there is research out there that shows how much someone slowing to 100 from 110 has on the effect of tight traffic 1km back. Anyway no need to argue the point it is something I can't win and I guess I will have to make sure I blame my girlfriend for the ticket as it was her car :devil2:

[spudchucka]

And I sure as shit accelerated a lot less than 200 meters from the sign post. So I'd love to know what the law really is. Well - maybe I wouldnt as I'd be really pissed off if he was actually wrong to have ticketed me.
250 metres is a guide line documented in the police policy on speed enforcement. It isn't law, just a guide for cops.

In general cops shouldn't, (in the interest of fairness) issue speeding tickets if the target vehicle is within 250 metres of a posted speed limit change. Its still up to the cop though.

[Lou Girardin]

Yeah it's a tough call. Quota's a bit low for the day, you look like you had an attitude as you flashed past. And he'd had a bad hair/scalp day.

[scumdog]

There is no 200 or 250 metres... it's at the sign. Up to the cop as to what he dones.

As WT says: he can't stand in a 50 zone and shoot into the 100 zone to nab you for over 50 speeds. But you must be doing the right speed at the sign.

Do 95kph going past the 100kph sign leaving a 50 area and you're toast in my books (more so if you're in a cage.)
O.T.O.H., do 75kph a 100metres (give or take) INTO the 50 from the 100 and you're ok - as long as you're slowing down :niceone:

[SlashWylde]

:mad: Just got my morning mail and what do I find - a mobile speed camera ticket for doing 111km/h on the Hutt motorway at 10am on a Saturday morning :mad: :mad: . I do not intend to get off the ticket or condone speeding, but I really pisses me off that keeping up with the flow of traffic gives you a bloody ticket.

rant rant rant

I feel better now

See now this is the problem with driver training and traffic enforcement in this country. When I did my car full licence practical test back in 2001, I stuck rigidly to the speed limit. At several points the licenceing officer told me that I could speed up to match the flow of traffic which was up to a good 10km/hr faster than I was driving. It was raining the road was wet and there was no way I was going over the speed limit as I knew of others who had failed their tests by exceeding the limit.

At the end of the test the officer asked me if I remembered her saying I could go faster than the posted limit and I said yes and outlined my reasons for not doing so. She then chastised me for not matching the speed of the other traffic and thereby holding them up and posing a hazard to other road users. She passed me but cautioned me to try to match the speed of other road users.

Now years later this bloke in the Hutt valley gets a ticket for doing exactly what I was told to do by a licencing agent during my test.

I reckon you should appeal on the ligitemate grounds that you were going with the flow of traffic and to drive slower would pose a hazard to yourself and other road users.

[Waylander]

I reckon you should appeal on the ligitemate grounds that you were going with the flow of traffic and to drive slower would pose a hazard to yourself and other road users.

Exspecially on a bike.

[SPman]

Guess it all boils down to a judgement call - by you and the cop.
Of a like mind - happiness
Not of a like mind - misery. (on your part)

[John]

Licence plates are overated...

[MacD]

You're right, but since this was a mobile camera, surely the cop could have "adjusted" the discretion (if thats possible) if he felt traffic was travelling smoothly and safely.

That is if you assume mobile speed cameras have anything to do with travelling smoothly and safely...

Remember that at 99km/h you are a safe and virtuous driver, while at 101 km/h you are a KILLER! And don't forget it!

[NC]

Licence plates are overated...
Meow, meow meow!

[Biff]

250 metres is a guide line documented in the police policy on speed enforcement. It isn't law, just a guide for cops.

In general cops shouldn't, (in the interest of fairness) issue speeding tickets if the target vehicle is within 250 metres of a posted speed limit change. Its still up to the cop though.

Thanks Spud.

So I was right, he was a bastard. Although I was, technically, a speeding bastard.

[peterjdaly]

'Technically' you're going 11 kmph over the limit. The 10% tolerance is supposedly exists just to cover of any issues relating to inaccuracies in vehicle Speedos, so I've been told.

Hmmm. It seems the tolerance is being misconstrued as an entitlement. The speed limit is what is written in the speed limit signs. The tolerance is the point at which the cops are writing the tickets. Remember, the ticket is for exceeding the speed limit, not the police speed tolerance.

And please don't ever say anything about a 10% tolerance, or we'll start getting speeding tickets at 56 in a 50 km/h area.

[mangell6]

Remember that at 99km/h you are a safe and virtuous driver, while at 101 km/h you are a KILLER! And don't forget it!

ABSOLUTELY!!!!!! Point needs to be reinforced.

How does it feel to be a KILLER travelling at 111km/h!!!! Good grief all that maiming and media attention. :rofl:

[riffer]

Hmmm. I have a confession.

I was nabbed this arvo on my way to getting a warrant.

Just pulled out of Melrose Street onto Martin St (Upper Hutt) and accelerated casually - saw the cop, backed off, but too late. Totally my fault. Didn't even notice the speed. To tell the truth didn't even feel fast. Not on a bike that does 120 in 1st anyway.

70 in a 50. $120, 20 demerits.

So don't feel too bad for your 11km/hr over the limit.

I'm pretty much a tyre-shredding murderous motherfucker from hell.

[StoneChucker]

Do 95kph going past the 100kph sign leaving a 50 area and you're toast in my books (more so if you're in a cage.)
O.T.O.H., do 75kph a 100metres (give or take) INTO the 50 from the 100 and you're ok - as long as you're slowing down :niceone:
You're right, no two ways about it. It would be annoying though to be nabbed at 95 in a 50 zone, if you only got to 95 in the last 50 meters, or less even. You'd be suprised how quick some bikes can get from 50 to 100.

But in all reality, this isn't really that much of an issue. Me? I always wait until I hit (go past, not ride into) the Speed Sign before accelerating. Thinking about it, I quite often only start slowing down when I pass a speed sign (100 to 50), but again bikes can stop/slow pretty quickly too. I think any officer checking speed is going to do so alot further away from the sign than 50m (or less).

Obey the speed limit to avoid any problems :niceone:

[riffer]

Obey the speed limit to avoid any problems :niceone:

You must be finding the A100 a whole lot easier to do this with than the R1?

Speaking of which, that bloke at Upper Hutt Vehicle Testing's still going on about your A100...

[Sparky Bills]

Which part of the motorway?
There is a curtain distance that they are not meant to use any radar equipment from the airport.
If its within that, you could get off. I think its something like a 10km radius.
Will do some asking round and let you know if you like.
I know some people who know some people who believe it or not...



Know some other people.

[Biff]

Hmmm. It seems the tolerance is being misconstrued as an entitlement. The speed limit is what is written in the speed limit signs. The tolerance is the point at which the cops are writing the tickets. Remember, the ticket is for exceeding the speed limit, not the police speed tolerance.

Not by me it's not. I believe we're in agreement that people assume it's an automatic entitlement, when it's not.


And please don't ever say anything about a 10% tolerance, or we'll start getting speeding tickets at 56 in a 50 km/h area.

As for my remark about the 10% I was referring to the national speed limit of 100 kmph + 10% = 110 kmph. So using the 50 kmph example then the 'tolerance' is more like 17%, as I've been told you can get away with driving at speeds up to 60kmph (which I dont') in a 50 zone.