Minecraft. Who plays?

[doko]

Who plays minecraft here? Can we get a KB server going I would love to see how creative you all are. :yes:

[nodrog]

Not me, I'm too busy riding my Motorcycle.

Fanny,

[Gibbo89]

Settle down troll. Go check out your anime.

[sil3nt]

I checked it out. Dug a hole into a cavern of spiders that kept respawning. Redirected a river to flood said cavern to get rid of the spiders and looted the chests. Thats about as much fun i had playing.

Its a good concept just a lacking a little depth.

[psycho22]

:blink:What is this minecraft you speak of?

[Gremlin]

:blink:What is this minecraft you speak of?
It sounds like some evil contraption to stop people riding their bikes :crybaby:

[Danae]

:D Yesssss. I play it. You get out of Minecraft what you put in, I reckon. I've heard people say "there's no point", but the point is that you make the point. I made an underwater dome of glass. And a house with waterfall elevator system.

[Pascal]

What is this minecraft you speak of?

The brain child of another new internet millionare (http://www.minecraft.net/stats.jsp).

[SMOKEU]

Should have a KB Call of Duty server.

[Gibbo89]

Should have a KB Call of Duty server.

do you play it on pc?

[bogan]

Should have a KB Call of Duty server.

nah CSS ftw!

[SMOKEU]

do you play it on pc?

I sure do! World at War is the only one I play online because it's the only legit one I have. I'm planning on buying Black Ops once I've built up my new gaming rig.

[Gibbo89]

I sure do! World at War is the only one I play online because it's the only legit one I have. I'm planning on buying Black Ops once I've built up my new gaming rig.

Ahh I see, I'm a ps3 whore. Although I have call of duty 2 on the pc which is a sweet game. A lot of hackers on pc eh

[SMOKEU]

Ahh I see, I'm a ps3 whore. Although I have call of duty 2 on the pc which is a sweet game. A lot of hackers on pc eh

Still can't beat a good PC for gaming, although it does come at a very steep cost compared to consoles. I do get all my PC games for free though, which makes up for the extra cost I suppose.

[Pascal]

I do get all my PC games for free though, which makes up for the extra cost I suppose.

I worked for a software company that had an online product. In one edition they added a license validation system that checked the legitimacy of the software in use. If memory serves me right, ~93% were unlicensed. Which, if you're Bill Gates, probably makes very little difference to your bottom line. But if you're a smaller software house, less than 10 employees and trying to make sure that everybody's salaries are paid, the bills are covered and there's some money left over to grow the business that hits hard.

I'm guessing it's easy being a criminal though when you don't have to face the people you're stealing from. I've never understood why people find it so easy.

I mean - would you walk into a bike shop and take a helmet and walk out with it? Or would you slip some CD's under your jacket in Real Groovy?

[SMOKEU]

I worked for a software company that had an online product. In one edition they added a license validation system that checked the legitimacy of the software in use. If memory serves me right, ~93% were unlicensed. Which, if you're Bill Gates, probably makes very little difference to your bottom line. But if you're a smaller software house, less than 10 employees and trying to make sure that everybody's salaries are paid, the bills are covered and there's some money left over to grow the business that hits hard.

I'm guessing it's easy being a criminal though when you don't have to face the people you're stealing from. I've never understood why people find it so easy.

I mean - would you walk into a bike shop and take a helmet and walk out with it? Or would you slip some CD's under your jacket in Real Groovy?

I wouldn't shoplift. I don't have a job, so I can't afford to fork out for games as I can barely scrape up the cash to put petrol in my bike. Even if I did have enough money, I'm still not stupid enough to start paying for games if I can download them for free. Obviously with some games I won't be able to play them online if it's pirated, but many other games are not played online so I might as well download them for free.

[Pascal]

I wouldn't shoplift. I don't have a job, so I can't afford to fork out for games as I can barely scrape up the cash to put petrol in my bike. Even if I did have enough money, I'm still not stupid enough to start paying for games if I can download them for free. Obviously with some games I won't be able to play them online if it's pirated, but many other games are not played online so I might as well download them for free.

So what you're saying is:

"I've got the opportunity to get away by stealing something; so I'll do it"

That about covers it?

You are in effect stealing a luxury item because you have the opportunity and there are no repercussions to yourself. And you would continue to do so even if you could afford not to be a thief? No worries, you do what you do. I was mostly just curious about the mentality behind such a decision.

And before you ask ... yes, I do have a license - even for Winzip.

[SMOKEU]

So what you're saying is:

"I've got the opportunity to get away by stealing something; so I'll do it"

That about covers it?

You are in effect stealing a luxury item because you have the opportunity and there are no repercussions to yourself. And you would continue to do so even if you could afford not to be a thief? No worries, you do what you do. I was mostly just curious about the mentality behind such a decision.

And before you ask ... yes, I do have a license - even for Winzip.

You have a genuine licence for Winzip?!?! :clap::lol::killingme:lol::killingme:2thumbsup

I have a very good site for you to check out: http://www.torrents.to

The thing is, if someone walks into a shop and steals a bar of chocolate that the shop paid $1 for, then they (the shop) has to pay to replace that product, leaving the shop owner $1 out of pocket.

Even if I was unable to download games for free, I would not pay for a genuine copy of the game, therefore the game developers are not left out of pocket by any means due to my actions.

[Pascal]

Even if I was unable to download games for free, I would not pay for a genuine copy of the game, therefore the game developers are not left out of pocket by any means due to my actions.

So if somebody has an item of value which is not for sale it is okay to steal it because you wouldn't have been able to buy it?

The world of thieves are murky and complex indeed! It seems to me that you have a lot of excuses to justify that you are nothing more than a common thief.

[EJK]

IMO for epic games (I'm talking about Starcraft II here) deserves purchasing. Paid full price on the day of release. Them developers and company totally deserves it.

But games like "Big Rigs over the road racing", fuck I wouldn't even waste my bandwidth.

[SMOKEU]

So if somebody has an item of value which is not for sale it is okay to steal it because you wouldn't have been able to buy it?

The world of thieves are murky and complex indeed! It seems to me that you have a lot of excuses to justify that you are nothing more than a common thief.

Software piracy is very different from theft. By pirating software, I am not stealing a physical item from an individual, such as a bike, car, shoes, dog etc. If you come home one day and find that your TV has been stolen, then that if theft because one of your physical assets is now gone - however, I am not causing any direct loss to any persons by pirating software, music or movies.

[EJK]

Software piracy is very different from theft. By pirating software, I am not stealing a physical item from an individual, such as a bike, car, shoes, dog etc. If you come home one day and find that your TV has been stolen, then that if theft because one of your physical assets is now gone - however, I am not causing any direct loss to any persons by pirating software, music or movies.

If you don't respect the total amount of efforts (designing, developing, testing, measuring and so on by hundreds of employees) the game developers have put into (not mentioning millions of dollars put into), then ok I understand your point.

[Pascal]

Software piracy is very different from theft. By pirating software, I am not stealing a physical item from an individual, such as a bike, car, shoes, dog etc. If you come home one day and find that your TV has been stolen, then that if theft because one of your physical assets is now gone - however, I am not causing any direct loss to any persons by pirating software, music or movies.

So a video game / movie / music has no inherent value? Why do you want to steal it then? Ah wait ... so if you want it it must have value. You're just not willing to pay what it's creator has deemed it to be worth. So you steal it.

Now.

Imagine everybody thought like you did - as fucking horrifying as that thought may be. If 93% of consumers had the same mentality you did, what would happen to game development houses and publishers who create games?

You have taken something with value from somebody else. That is theft. Plain and simple. Console yourself with whichever justifications you feel is necessary though. It doesn't change the fact that you're a thief.

[SMOKEU]

If you don't respect the total amount of efforts (designing, developing, testing, measuring and so on by hundreds of employees) the game developers have put into (not mentioning millions of dollars put into), then ok I understand your point.

Then the software developers should respect the fact that not everyone is in a financially secure enough position to pay for all their games.


So a video game / movie / music has no inherent value? Why do you want to steal it then? Ah wait ... so if you want it it must have value. You're just not willing to pay what it's creator has deemed it to be worth. So you steal it.

Now.

Imagine everybody thought like you did - as fucking horrifying as that thought may be. If 93% of consumers had the same mentality you did, what would happen to game development houses and publishers who create games?

You have taken something with value from somebody else. That is theft. Plain and simple. Console yourself with whichever justifications you feel is necessary though. It doesn't change the fact that you're a thief.

There are plenty of gaming console owners who pay for games, so they're not going out of business any time soon.

As for music piracy, many radio stations play all the latest music for everyone to hear for free, that is akin to piracy.

As for movies, I don't see why I should fork out cash to see a video of some slut getting phucked when I can just download it free.

[Blackshear]

This pit gave me autism.

225727

Hand dug. Cave at the bottom kinda ruined it though, oh well, SPELUNK TIME!

Also might wanna check out skylands.

[EJK]

Then the software developers should respect the fact that not everyone is in a financially secure enough position to pay for all their games.

Games are not LEGO®



There are plenty of gaming console owners who pay for games, so they're not going out of business any time soon.

As for music piracy, many radio stations play all the latest music for everyone to hear for free, that is akin to piracy.

As for movies, I don't see why I should fork out cash to see a video of some slut getting phucked when I can just download it free.

VideoEzy or Civic Videos do $1 a weekly movies but hey I won't argue anymore :shutup:

[Pascal]

Then the software developers should respect the fact that not everyone is in a financially secure enough position to pay for all their games.

Then the bike makers should accept that not everybody could pay for their bikes and should give them away for free?

Yeah, yeah.

It's much easier if we all just break into bike shops and steal them. No harm, right as we couldn't afford it anyway.

Here's the simple answer. If you're too skint to purchase something, go without.


As for music piracy, many radio stations play all the latest music for everyone to hear for free, that is akin to piracy.

You realise they pay a fee for the right to do so, right? The record label is still earning money when the radio station plays it.


There are plenty of gaming console owners who pay for games, so they're not going out of business any time soon.

Do a ram-raid on Whitcoulls, go to the dictionary section and look up "hypothetical". If that's too difficult; try looking up "example".

[Spuds1234]

Then the software developers should respect the fact that not everyone is in a financially secure enough position to pay for all their games.

Using your annalogy, I cant afford a brand spanking new Ducati 1098, so Ducati should respect my financial situation and give me a 1098 for somewhere around a grand.

The world doesnt work like that.

I think this (http://i.imgur.com/lJbc3.jpg) picture sums things up nicely

[SMOKEU]

It's your (financial) loss if you'd rather waste your money on software than some nice hardware for your gaming rig.

[Spuds1234]

Hows it my loss?

All the games I play I own. I get updates that fix any bugs that come up. The updates dont break the game for me like they would if I was using a pirated copy (usually I would have to wait for a new crack to come out before I could install the patch)

Also I get free and ongoing DLC from companies like Valve for games like TF2 (which is a great game in which I have logged about 200 hours in). So the $80 it cost me for the Orange Box got me 5 games - and ongoing new content.

Try getting that off a torrent.

The fact still remains that your an idiot Smokeu, you argue every which way and use false logic to say that your not stealing but you are. You are still taking money away from the developers who make these games and work hard to do so. If they dont have money then there wont be any new games for you to enjoy.

Would you work all day for no pay? No I didnt think you would and neither would a software developer.

[Danae]

This thread suddenly became not about Minecraft. I'm leaving!

[SMOKEU]

Hows it my loss?

All the games I play I own.
The fact still remains that your an idiot Smokeu

It's your loss for paying for something that you could get for free without stealing it.

You don't own any game you pay for - you simply own the right to use it as specified in the EULA.

Before you start mocking my intellectual ability, learn the proper use of grammar. Saying "Your an idiot" does not make proper sense.

[Spuds1234]

This is the internet not an english essay.

Your stealing intellectual property. How is it not theft?

[SMOKEU]

Your stealing intellectual property. How is it not theft?

I'm not stealing anything. I'm not a thief.
What's so hard to understand about that?

[Spuds1234]

If everyone had your attitude, and everything digital was just distributed for free (because lets face it your not going to pay for anything digital), then how would anyone in these industries ever make a living? Should the people that work at these companies, that produce software, not be legitimate professions that deserve to be paid?

[sil3nt]

Pirating software is copyright infringement.

[jono035]

I've put quite a few hours into Minecraft. Haven't been playing as much recently, but I'm keeping a close eye on the multi-player advancements... SMP looks like it could have quite a lot of promise.

Creepers. Scariest things ever.

[Grasshopperus]

Stealing something involves depriving the victim of something. This is a criminal act.

Making copies of something that's copyrighted is called copyright infringement. This is a civil offence, not criminal.

[SMOKEU]

If everyone had your attitude, and everything digital was just distributed for free (because lets face it your not going to pay for anything digital), then how would anyone in these industries ever make a living? Should the people that work at these companies, that produce software, not be legitimate professions that deserve to be paid?

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/2/2b/Cool_story_bro_interesante_historia_ese.jpg


Stealing something involves depriving the victim of something. This is a criminal act.

Making copies of something that's copyrighted is called copyright infringement. This is a civil offence, not criminal.

Well said.

[bogan]

This thread suddenly became not about Minecraft. I'm leaving!

Same here, in fact I'm off to play minecraft, which I have paid for, mainly cos it was only 18 bucks. You have to wonder, if 90odd percent of games are pirated, if they only charge 30 bucks instead of $120 per game, piracy would surely drop and they may well get more revenue!

fuck the guys who wrote it must be loaded, 717,000 purchases at 10 euro each :shit:

[SMOKEU]

I had a look at Minecraft on the net, but I generally shy away from games that aren't able to give my hardware a good work out. I didn't pay for an SLI setup for nothing!

[Blackshear]

Same here, in fact I'm off to play minecraft, which I have paid for, mainly cos it was only 18 bucks. You have to wonder, if 90odd percent of games are pirated, if they only charge 30 bucks instead of $120 per game, piracy would surely drop and they may well get more revenue!

fuck the guys who wrote it must be loaded, 717,000 purchases at 10 euro each :shit:

Notch wrote it himself, I believe.
I think he had some guy help with some parts he wasn't familiar with, but he has been in talks with STEAM to sell via their means, and has just IIRC, introduced multiplayer with mob spawns.

Overnight millionaire.

[Pascal]

I'm not stealing anything. I'm not a thief.

You are a thief. You have taken something you have not paid for and are busy enjoying the benefits of it. Spin, obfuscate, lie as much as you like. You are a thief.

And your actions directly affect software developers like myself.


Notch wrote it himself, I believe.

He did, yes. Awesome concept and I believe in his top day of sales (In the earlier days) he topped something like US$250,000. On that day he was selling a copy every 3 seconds. m00d had a graph tracking the sales, but it is currently unavailable.

You gotta love a small, simple concept and how it has blossomed.

[Cayman911]

http://iforce.co.nz/i/deqitylm.jpg

[Pascal]

Sales of software to 100 customers @ NZ$99.00 per copy = NZ$9900.00.

Sales of software to 20 customers @ NZ$99.00 per copy = NZ$1980.00.
80 pirated copies in use @ NZ$99.00 per copy = NZ$7920.

Software developer has been deprived of NZ$7920 of income, because the software has been pirated and is actively being used by people.

You have "stolen" that income from the developer. And while I understand the concept of people who could not buy it, if you do not have the money to pay for it, do not use it. To use it without obtaining the appropriate license has stolen that income from the developer, because you are enjoying the benefit of their enterprise and work without rewarding them for it.

[SMOKEU]

Sales of software to 100 customers @ NZ$99.00 per copy = NZ$9900.00.

Sales of software to 20 customers @ NZ$99.00 per copy = NZ$1980.00.
80 pirated copies in use @ NZ$99.00 per copy = NZ$7920.

Software developer has been deprived of NZ$7920 of income, because the software has been pirated and is actively being used by people.

You have "stolen" that income from the developer. And while I understand the concept of people who could not buy it, if you do not have the money to pay for it, do not use it. To use it without obtaining the appropriate license has stolen that income from the developer, because you are enjoying the benefit of their enterprise and work without rewarding them for it.

Life isn't fair. Get used to it.

[Pascal]

Life isn't fair. Get used to it.

Oh, I am used to it. The entire purpose of this side track was for me to understand, from you, the mindset of a thief and what makes you tick.

And honestly, your excuses are fairly predictable. Doesn't change the fact that you're a thief. And have no shame about it; in fact - you appear to be proud of the fact.

It's just such a foreign mindset to me. I still don't entirely understand it.

[bogan]

Sales of software to 100 customers @ NZ$99.00 per copy = NZ$9900.00.

Sales of software to 20 customers @ NZ$99.00 per copy = NZ$1980.00.
80 pirated copies in use @ NZ$99.00 per copy = NZ$7920.

Software developer has been deprived of NZ$7920 of income, because the software has been pirated and is actively being used by people.

You have "stolen" that income from the developer. And while I understand the concept of people who could not buy it, if you do not have the money to pay for it, do not use it. To use it without obtaining the appropriate license has stolen that income from the developer, because you are enjoying the benefit of their enterprise and work without rewarding them for it.

Sales of software at more realistic prices, $30 per item, below 80% of peoples piracy threshold, 80*30 = $2,400 > what they get now :rolleyes:

and tbh, if those 80 pirates couldn't get a pirated copy, would they pay 99 bucks to the developer?

Here is a mathematical proof.

1) Software= Paying by lawful people
2) but Paying = Not Used for pirates
3) and Not Paying = Used for pirates

so if you force people to pay (combine 1 and 2), you get Software = Not Used (no extra income)
if you don't force them to pay (combine 1 and 3), you get Software = Used but no extra income.
So logically the only option is to reduce the amount of piracy, through online awesomeness (which is shit with lag in NZ anyway), by making uncrackable copy portection (good luck with that), or by making them cheap enough that people don't bother pirating.

[SMOKEU]

Oh, I am used to it. The entire purpose of this side track was for me to understand, from you, the mindset of a thief and what makes you tick.

And honestly, your excuses are fairly predictable. Doesn't change the fact that you're a thief. And have no shame about it; in fact - you appear to be proud of the fact.

It's just such a foreign mindset to me. I still don't entirely understand it.

I am actually quite proud of saving myself many thousands of $ by not having to pay for shit. Looks like I'm the real winner here and you're the (financial) loser. :violin:

[Pascal]

I am actually quite proud of saving myself many thousands of $ by not having to pay for shit. Looks like I'm the real winner here and you're the (financial) loser. :violin:

On the other hand, I have a job I love that pays me damn well so I can afford to buy things I want. I don't need to resort to theft to obtain them.

Winners. Losers. It's all a matter of perspective. From my viewpoint you're an unemployed thief missing a few moral benchmarks. Aren't you from South Africa?

Your excuses are amusing though :)

[SMOKEU]

On the other hand, I have a job I love that pays me damn well so I can afford to buy things I want. I don't need to resort to theft to obtain them.

Winners. Losers. It's all a matter of perspective. From my viewpoint you're an unemployed thief missing a few moral benchmarks. Aren't you from South Africa?

Your excuses are amusing though :)

Yeah, I'm from South Africa. Don't worry, I'll be getting a job soon enough from WINZ.

I've downloaded some expensive games that I really didn't enjoy. I'd feel a bit ripped off if I forked out $100 for a game that I'm only going to play for an hour before I give up on it.

[Pascal]

Yeah, I'm from South Africa.

Fuck. Which part?

[SMOKEU]

Fuck. Which part?

Cape Town.

[Pascal]

Cape Town.

Yeah, okay. Which part of Cape Town?

[SMOKEU]

Yeah, okay. Which part of Cape Town?

Mowbray. You know what us Africans are like, fucking sneaky cunts.

[Cayman911]

On the other hand, I have a job I love that pays me damn well so I can afford to buy things I want. I don't need to resort to theft to obtain them.


If you were smart enough you'd realise if you had a job that pays well, and still didnt have to fork out to buy things you simply do not need ot pay for. you would have alot left for other things.

i guess there's the difference between the rich and the richer. if you're happy where you are. good on ya. but you are no body to pass judgement on anyone else. if you're happy being a hippie. keep it to yourself. have a think about the pic i posted before. you cant deny that logic

[Pascal]

Mowbray. You know what us Africans are like, fucking sneaky cunts.

No, I'm from Melkbosstrand.


If you were smart enough you'd realise if you had a job that pays well, and still didnt have to fork out to buy things you simply do not need ot pay for. you would have alot left for other things.

But i also. , didnt have find wish be theif.

[SMOKEU]

No, I'm from Melkbosstrand.



Oh yup, how long you been in NZ for?

[Cayman911]

No, I'm from Melkbosstrand.



But i also. , didnt have find wish be theif.

you need to buy a dictionary, 1: cause i cant fully understand what you just said
2: to look up the meaning of theif

[Pascal]

Oh yup, how long you been in NZ for?

Almost 10 years now. Lank genoeg om die Kaap goed te mis.


you need to buy a dictionary, 1: cause i cant fully understand what you just said

That was the problem I had with the first half of your post hence the style of the reply.

[SMOKEU]

Almost 10 years now. Lank genoeg om die Kaap goed te mis.



I've been here 13 years, I still miss my home country. I became a NZ citizen earlier this year and I still go back every 2 or 3 years to see the family. Surprisingly enough I suppose I sort of miss the kaffirs in a way.

[imdying]

I'll hook you up with the warez bro... I'm a developer and I could give two hoots about piracy.

If all the game developers went out of business you'll still be able to get games because people will make and distribute them for free. Sure there will not be the same number of glittery over priced monstrosities, but games don't require all the rubbish they have to be fun.

/edit: Heh, ironically my brother wants to become a games developer, so I'm teaching him some bits n pieces... just 5 minutes ago I made a 3D spaceship fly around for the first time. I'm not sure why he would want such a dead boring job involving a lot of intensive mathematics (at a guess, given by what a single 3D object takes to move nicely), but that's his choice.

[SMOKEU]

I'll hook you up with the warez bro... I'm a developer and I could give two hoots about piracy.

If all the game developers went out of business you'll still be able to get games because people will make and distribute them for free. Sure there will not be the same number of glittery over priced monstrosities, but games don't require all the rubbish they have to be fun.

Linux is a good example of that. Look at all the free Linux versions around, most of them are very good, stable OSs. What kind of software do you develop?

[Grasshopperus]

I'm not sure why he would want such a dead boring job involving a lot of intensive mathematics (at a guess, given by what a single 3D object takes to move nicely), but that's his choice.

Get him to use a graphics engine like Ogre3D; you don't need to get into OpenGL/Direct3D matrix arithmetic or any of that stuff to just get going. It's got heaps of tutorials, plugins, community and it's free.

I too am a software developer (FOSS) and I want people to use my stuff, don't care how.

[imdying]

Linux is a good example of that. Look at all the free Linux versions around, most of them are very good, stable OSs. What kind of software do you develop?Basically... yeah. Some would argue that the world would be a better place without retail software. I don't really care that much, but some of the papers people have written make interesting reading.

All sorts of things; the last thing was a monitoring service for a filling station. I didn't do the 232 comms to the station itself, just the control software.

If all software developers went out of business, it wouldn't bother me, I'd just go and do something else :woohoo:

[imdying]

Get him to use a graphics engine like Ogre3D; you don't need to get into OpenGL/Direct3D matrix arithmetic or any of that stuff to just get going. It's got heaps of tutorials, plugins, community and it's free.Yeah could do, I'd rather he wrote his own (basic) engine though, which means he'll need to know the ins and outs of the guts of it. Do him good to work his brain in any case, and it doesn't look that difficult :laugh:

[EJK]

Sales of software to 100 customers @ NZ$99.00 per copy = NZ$9900.00.

Sales of software to 20 customers @ NZ$99.00 per copy = NZ$1980.00.
80 pirated copies in use @ NZ$99.00 per copy = NZ$7920.

Software developer has been deprived of NZ$7920 of income, because the software has been pirated and is actively being used by people.

You have "stolen" that income from the developer. And while I understand the concept of people who could not buy it, if you do not have the money to pay for it, do not use it. To use it without obtaining the appropriate license has stolen that income from the developer, because you are enjoying the benefit of their enterprise and work without rewarding them for it.

Just a note: I did a research report on Software piracy causing impact on business with 2009 statistics for a paper I did mid this year.
According to Business Software Alliance (BSA), Commercial value of software theft exceeded $73 billion NZ Dollars... that's 2009 year alone. This excludes pirated music, movies and books.

[SMOKEU]

Just a note: I did a research report on Software piracy causing impact on business with 2009 statistics for a paper I did mid this year.
According to Business Software Alliance (BSA), Commercial value of software theft exceeded $73 billion NZ Dollars... that's 2009 year alone. This excludes pirated music, movies and books.

Fuck that's epic. I'm proud to play my part lol.

[Grasshopperus]

Just a note: I did a research report on Software piracy causing impact on business with 2009 statistics for a paper I did mid this year.
According to Business Software Alliance (BSA), Commercial value of software theft exceeded $73 billion NZ Dollars... that's 2009 year alone. This excludes pirated music, movies and books.

So copyright infringement of computer software cost NZ 43% of its GDP?

The BSA is a software lobbyist group and as such will be using all manner of misleading statistical tricks in order to make those figures look real impressive.

A big number like that gets the mass' attention with wow factor and gets politicians thinking about being able to slap 15% GST on it.

The BSA's core business is winning government contracts for its supporting members and trying to influence national policy to the advantage of said members (none of whom are NZ owned companies btw)

Feeling militant tonight.

[EJK]

So copyright infringement of computer software cost NZ 43% of its GDP?

The BSA is a software lobbyist group and as such will be using all manner of misleading statistical tricks in order to make those figures look real impressive.

A big number like that gets the mass' attention with wow factor and gets politicians thinking about being able to slap 15% GST on it.

The BSA's core business is winning government contracts for its supporting members and trying to influence national policy to the advantage of said members (none of whom are NZ owned companies btw)

Feeling militant tonight.

No, the stats is global, not just NZ. True, I'm not entirely sure how they got the info but hey, everybody gotta belive in something right?

If curious, NZ loss is $63 Million (USD) with piracy rate of 22% in 2009(one of the lowest, again from BSA).