When is a full license not a full license?

[PrincessBandit]

Ok ok, so I'm on a fricken hobby horse at the moment.

But, in light of recent events in the life of my young man, I am really starting to agree with the notion of bikers being second class citizens. Always thought it was a bit of twaddle really, but what has changed my perspective was the following conversation:

un-named woman who interviewed my son recently for a job: "He doesn't have a full New Zealand license".
Me: "Yes he does. He has held a full class 6 license for over a year, and just also happens to have a 1R".
un-named woman: "That is not the same. He does not have a full driver's license".
Me: "So you are telling me that any full licensed motorbike rider who doesn't drive a car or hold a full class 1 license does not have a full New Zealand license?"
un-named woman: "Yes. that is correct. They are not the same"
me: persevering..."well, it says nothing about a car license on your form, it simply asks the status of your drivers license, whether it is restricted or full".
her: "your son is the first person who has ever questioned us over this". (OMG! how dare he!!)
me: "really?"
her: "yes. And in my experience, people always have a full car license before getting their motorbike one".

At that point I got the distinct impression I was not going to get anywhere with her so ended the conversation.

There you have it folks. Further proof that there really are pillocks out there who stick to their blinkered reality - which has nothing to do with the real world of those who ride.

[Virago]

One thing isn't clear - was having a full car license a requirement for the job...?

[PrincessBandit]

It wasn't specified as being essential. And the "car" part was omitted completely.

[steve_t]

It's just another 'cager' with tunnel vision. There's really no point in arguing the point with her. Technically, you're correct, but that doesn't help the matter. Just forget about her and move on

[Headbanger]

Imagine if we didn't have the internet, we would be forced to miss out on huge news like this.:facepalm:

Suggest you son gets his car license and takes the knocks as they come,Pointless or not it won't be the last., There is no argument to be won, Getting employment is the issue.

[Indoo]

She is completely right if the job involves any sort of driving, your being precious and overly aggressive over something that seems kinda obvious. If it doesn't then the opposite applies.

[Headbanger]

I started at a new company a couple weeks back, In a quite senior role, On about the second day the head cheese asked me what I done in my spare time, Told him I had a road bike, He dismissed it as a death trap and got a couple affirmative nods and grunts from the other staff.

I stood up and declared myself and my bike as 50 trillion times more awesome then every pansy in the office. LMFAO.

[SMOKEU]

They should have mentioned "full class 1 licence", not just "full drivers licence" or "car licence".

[hayd3n]

Ok ok, so I'm on a fricken hobby horse at the moment.

But, in light of recent events in the life of my young man, I am really starting to agree with the notion of bikers being second class citizens. Always thought it was a bit of twaddle really, but what has changed my perspective was the following conversation:

un-named woman who interviewed my son recently for a job: "He doesn't have a full New Zealand license".
Me: "Yes he does. He has held a full class 6 license for over a year, and just also happens to have a 1R".
un-named woman: "That is not the same. He does not have a full driver's license".
Me: "So you are telling me that any full licensed motorbike rider who doesn't drive a car or hold a full class 1 license does not have a full New Zealand license?"
un-named woman: "Yes. that is correct. They are not the same"
me: persevering..."well, it says nothing about a car license on your form, it simply asks the status of your drivers license, whether it is restricted or full".
her: "your son is the first person who has ever questioned us over this". (OMG! how dare he!!)
me: "really?"
her: "yes. And in my experience, people always have a full car license before getting their motorbike one".

At that point I got the distinct impression I was not going to get anywhere with her so ended the conversation.

There you have it folks. Further proof that there really are pillocks out there who stick to their blinkered reality - which has nothing to do with the real world of those who ride.

its a simple error on their side

[Virago]

Okay, the "car" part wasn't specified, but there is little point in arguing the semantics of it.

My employees must have a driver's license as a requirement of employment, for driving our service vehicles (cars). I've never specified it as car license - perhaps I should. But if the parent of a prospective employee decided to argue the point, I would suspect that young person would be unlikely to proceed further in the process.

Obviously we don't know the full details or reasons, but I'm surprised that you're so heavily involved in his employment application?

[porky]

And whats a full NZ drivers licence? all classes 1 to 6 c/w dg and wtr endorsments. Shit lets throw in a bus as well.
I had a bike at 15, car at 21 as i needed it to get my HT, glad i didnt run into her back then. Come to think about most of my mates were the same. Bike vs a clapped out escort or anglia.... no contest.

Worlds full of drop kicks, you just ran into one of them!

[Toaster]

Okay, the "car" part wasn't specified, but there is little point in arguing the semantics of it.

My employees must have a driver's license as a requirement of employment, for driving our service vehicles (cars). I've never specified it as car license - perhaps I should. But if the parent of a prospective employee decided to argue the point, I would suspect that young person would be unlikely to proceed further in the process.

Obviously we don't know the full details or reasons, but I'm surprised that you're so heavily involved in his employment application?


I agree with you. But her reaction is that of a protective mother.

[porky]

I started at a new company a couple weeks back, In a quite senior role, On about the second day the head cheese asked me what I done in my spare time, Told him I had a road bike, He dismissed it as a death trap and got a couple affirmative nods and grunts from the other staff.

I stood up and declared myself and my bike as 50 trillion times more awesome then every pansy in the office. LMFAO.

Told ya not to go for that job at ACC in the claims division..... conflict of interest and all. :woohoo:

[PrincessBandit]

I agree with you. But her reaction is that of a protective mother.

It was more a case of "if a car license is required for the job they should specify that".

"Driving" was not mentioned as part of the job requirement until the interview, and the question about license status didn't seem unreasonable as the job involved shift work.

I guess he's just had a shit run of bad news all at once and i feel sorry for him. As for those of you who feel I'm just being precious - well, I'm a princess I'm allowed to be!! (You can bite my big fat bum if you don't like it :msn-wink:)

Pissy rant over. As you were.

[Headbanger]

You can bite my big fat bum
.

we should hook up:yes:

[ynot slow]

Agree with you,we're all defensive of our kids,and big ups to all us parents for that,I always answer to license 1,2,6 and firearms lol.

[Str8 Jacket]

her: "yes. And in my experience, people always have a full car license before getting their motorbike one".


Silly bitch, I have had my full bike licence for years. I don't even have a learners car licence.... :facepalm:

[R6_kid]

So many titchy people... is his full motorcycle licence relevant to the job? Unless its a motorcycle related job I highly doubt it. Jobs that require a full drivers licence are so that you will be insured for DRIVING company vehicles if required in the duty of the job.

By the way, if your son has a full motorcycle licence, why isn't he able to take care of getting himself a job?

[Berries]

I think if they say you are required to have a licence then they actually mean a car licence for the reasons explained above, company vehicle use. Their error for not highlighting the fact, but absolutely nothing to do with being second class citizens.

Regardless of the licence issue though, having an applicants Mum ring me up to give me an earful would certainly confirm I made the right decision in not employing their child. Where would it stop ?

[steve_t]

As mentioned previously, because the job involved shift work, it may have asked for a full licence to allow the employee to travel to and from work between the hours of 10pm and 5am. Driving a company vehicle wasn't mentioned. It was a simple miscommunication between the parties involved :shutup:

[Gremlin]

There is only one license, and classes and endorsements on it. Technically, you are correct, however, it means fuck all when it comes to employment

[R6_kid]

because the job involved shift work, it may have asked for a full licence to allow the employee to travel to and from work between the hours of 10pm and 5am.

Fair point.

[PrincessBandit]

As mentioned previously, because the job involved shift work, it may have asked for a full licence to allow the employee to travel to and from work between the hours of 10pm and 5am. Driving a company vehicle wasn't mentioned. It was a simple miscommunication between the parties involved :shutup:

Thank you for understanding.

[PrincessBandit]

Obviously we don't know the full details or reasons, but I'm surprised that you're so heavily involved in his employment application?



By the way, if your son has a full motorcycle licence, why isn't he able to take care of getting himself a job?

He took care of the application and getting himself there all without me holding his hand ya plonkers. But when he came home down-in-the-mouth regarding the issue of why his bike license didn't count for jackshit (when NO MENTION, I repeat, NO MENTION, of ANY DRIVING was in the job description) I thought I would clarify for my own interest what her agenda was.

I found her pov to be rather one-eyed and not remotely open to how there could be any misunderstanding over the ambiguity.

He has moved on (he is a big boy regardless of what you think of my questions and interest in his welfare) so all is good.

[yod]

un-named woman: "That is not the same. He does not have a full driver's license".


I would agree, imho, you don't drive a bike and you don't ride a car

(ostensibly semantics but meh...)

[steve_t]

I would agree, imho, you don't drive a bike and you don't ride a car

(ostensibly semantics but meh...)

LOL. Ostensibly? No, it IS just being pedantic about semantics :shutup: Unless I'm mistaken and the people that hold only Class 6 licences have "New Zealand Rider Licence" written across the top :innocent:

[Crazy Steve]

When it is currently a pink colour !

Crazy Steve.

[PrincessBandit]

LOL. Ostensibly? No, it IS just being pedantic about semantics :shutup: Unless I'm mistaken and the people that hold only Class 6 licences have "New Zealand Rider Licence" written across the top :innocent:

Holy crap! I never looked closely enough at his license to see if it said that. Can anyone clarify/confirm/deny that a bike only full license doesn't say "New Zealand Driver Licence"? Never thought about it till now.

[Tink]

He took care of the application and getting himself there all without me holding his hand ya plonkers. But when he came home down-in-the-mouth regarding the issue of why his bike license didn't count for jackshit (when NO MENTION, I repeat, NO MENTION, of ANY DRIVING was in the job description) I thought I would clarify for my own interest what her agenda was.

I found her pov to be rather one-eyed and not remotely open to how there could be any misunderstanding over the ambiguity.

He has moved on (he is a big boy regardless of what you think of my questions and interest in his welfare) so all is good.

I would do the same PB... maturity gives us the ability to question anyone if we wish as parents ... and in todays society jobs are often hard to find, IMHO I would say THERE BLOODY LOSS, as you son is a awesome guy. As for the class 6... he can ride his bike 24/7 ... to and from work... I would take them to the employment tribunal and say that its an unfair question, as it is like discriminating against someones religion, race, or choices... what they use for transport to and from work is their choice!!!!:blink:

Did you know you are required two forms of ID to open a bank account... guess how many kids only have a birth certificate... ! WTF

PS and why would he want to work for a cockup outfit like that now!!!!

[Toaster]

As for those of you who feel I'm just being precious ....

No. Merely protective of that which is precious to you.

[sinfull]

I started at a new company a couple weeks back, In a quite senior role, On about the second day the head cheese asked me what I done in my spare time, Told him I had a road bike, He dismissed it as a death trap and got a couple affirmative nods and grunts from the other staff.

I stood up and declared myself and my bike as 50 trillion times more awesome then every pansy in the office. LMFAO. "Than" HB "Than" ! Glad you didn't give it to them in writing !

But speaking of omisions PB, you havn't let on yet, whether the job entailed driving or for that matter, driving a company vehicle ?

[davebullet]

I wonder if he had a full car license whether the next set of questions would have been how many speeding tickets, insurance claims or drink driving convictions he had?

I'm not implying he has any. I just wonder whether these places just tick the box or actually care how good / careful a driver you are?

[PrincessBandit]

But speaking of omisions PB, you havn't let on yet, whether the job entailed driving or for that matter, driving a company vehicle ?

The matter of whether the job entailed driving was not mentioned in the job description, and from someone "in the know" the job doesn't involved driving company vehicles despite the woman indicating in the interview that it "might".

All up, I'm over my rant; son is over the issue. The lesson I've learnt is that semantics do matter, and not to take for granted that a full bike license means you have a full NZ drivers license.

[Mudfart]

it has been happening to me since the new license cards came out, what 12 years ago?
I was sitting on my 1F,2F,4L and 6L.
So, my card was always blue.
Even cops would pull me over in the middle of the night in a car, saying it was illegal for me to drive on a learners at that time of night!
I have been turned away from many jobs, including the dept of corrections, TWICE!, for having a learners car license.
The stupid thing is, they all only look at the box up the top right hand corner that says learner, along with the general colour of the card, and it seems NOONE in the country looks at the CLASS TYPES, even the motorway police.
Now I have my 6F, but because I dont drive trucks anymore, I'll be sitting on my 4L for a while yet!. So, I guess I'm still a learner driver to the retards.

[Str8 Jacket]

Holy crap! I never looked closely enough at his license to see if it said that. Can anyone clarify/confirm/deny that a bike only full license doesn't say "New Zealand Driver Licence"? Never thought about it till now.

I only have bike licence and mine says drivers licence! ;)

[imdying]

Make it a real thread, name and shame!

[Katman]

It makes about as much sense as me advertising a job that requires a full license and then saying "Oh, sorry - did I forget to mention that you need to be able to ride a motorcycle?"