Cops tailgating to try and make you speed

[shrub]

Has anyone ever encountered this strategy? I haven't, but according to a chap I know it is quite common.

[slofox]

Just move left and wave 'im through...

[Mully]

I've heard of it happening - to learner riders in particular.

When I ride with Mrs Mully, I act as a blocker for her anyway - to keep cagers away from her while she learns.

[george formby]

Has anyone ever encountered this strategy? I haven't, but according to a chap I know it is quite common.

A few years ago the Feds had a black, tinted window WRX up here & they pulled a LOT of boy racers off the road. I never witnessed the strategy but was followed by the car a few times & overtaken by them when I was sitting at the speed limit. I would not say I was being entrapped but definitely tempted.
Sometimes I'm happy to put up with age when the wisdom accrued saves my butt.

Maybe they tailgate on a slow day..

[ducatilover]

I had an undercover right up my jacksie one night in one of the cages, I drove as normal and tootled into a 100km area, where he tailgated me further and then pulled me over. Waste of my time and his time.

[XxKiTtiExX]

Have heard about it. As someone else said move to the left, wave them through. That said if someone tailgates me when I'm in the car I just tend to drive slower rather than speed up. :facepalm:

[shrub]

I had an undercover right up my jacksie one night in one of the cages, I drove as normal and tootled into a 100km area, where he tailgated me further and then pulled me over. Waste of my time and his time.

Does seem a little stupid and I'm sure there are easier ways to find speeders.

[Spazman727]

Have heard about it. As someone else said move to the left, wave them through. That said if someone tailgates me when I'm in the car I just tend to drive slower rather than speed up. :facepalm:

That, or pull the handbrake (so there's no brake lights to warn them.) My car is shit and I need the money. Hasn't worked yet.

[NighthawkNZ]

Seen it happen here in Dunedin on the Southern Motorway.

But I may one day see if I can record it as I am going to mount camera foward and facing aft...



When I ride with Mrs Mully, I act as a blocker for her anyway - to keep cagers away from her while she learns.

I do that when I ride with the other half as well...

I now have a tendacy to record everything... and have the nack to wswitch of the tracking GPS when I go for a blat blat.... :)

[XxKiTtiExX]

That, or pull the handbrake (so there's no brake lights to warn them.) My car is shit and I need the money. Hasn't worked yet.

Umm rather not put my 15 month old baby at further risk. But okay. :blink:

[george formby]

Umm rather not put my 15 month old baby at further risk. But okay. :blink:

:shit: What! Has plunket not fitted airbags to their baby seats yet? Disgraceful.

[XxKiTtiExX]

:shit: What! Has plunket not fitted airbags to their baby seats yet? Disgraceful.

I know!!!!!!! Should just go back to sticking them in a moses basket on the floor!!!

[ducatilover]

Does seem a little stupid and I'm sure there are easier ways to find speeders.

I'm not sure if he was attempting to make me speed, or if he just like the rear end of the car?

[Scuba_Steve]

Has anyone ever encountered this strategy? I haven't, but according to a chap I know it is quite common.

Yea I've had it happen to me a few times its also illegal, as its a form of entrapment.

[Str8 Jacket]

This happened to me this morning. I indicated, pulled over and pretended to take a phone call. Cop had followed me quite a distance before this right up my arse....

As soon as I pulled over the cop jammed on his brakes but because of the pile of traffice behind him he couldn't stop.

[Gone Burger]

Has anyone ever encountered this strategy? I haven't, but according to a chap I know it is quite common.

This happened to me down in the South Island a couple of weeks ago. It really wound me up.

A group of about 12 of us, on our bikes, passed a marked police car on side of the road at a very respectable 95kms. We see him in our mirrors pull out and follow the group. Not a problem, everyone was behaving perfectly. Over about 10 minutes the group has spreed out hugely - with the ones at the back sticking dead on 100, and the ones at the front able to stretch out the distance over a few kms.

Two of us are now left on our own at the back, I'm in front. Can see the police car sitting right in behind my friend. I come around a corner and loose sight of them, and make up a little distance gently. Watching my mirror closely, out of the corner comes a car, not the bike. He is what I estimate to be about 2k's back, and withing moment he is behind me. He really pinned it and caught me up. Cool - no worries. As you were, just keep riding.

I start to get really pissed off a few minutes later as he is sitting less than a car distance behind me - at 100k. No exaggeration, it was horribly close. 15 fricken minutes later and I have had enough of this intimidation. I am now a female rider on her own with the rest of the group well out of sight, and he is almost glued to my ass the whole time. So... what did I do? I braked.. for that "pot whole I thought I saw on the road in front of me", whist keeping a close eye on him in the mirror through my tinted visor. Gave him the absolute shits, and he instantly backed the hell of, and gave up.

Talk about intimidation! I was not at all impressed. My speedo reads the main reading in miles, and I'm not yet 100% sure what 100k bang on it. So was constantly trying to get it right.

Caught up with the group who ended up about 15 minutes ahead of me, and the last rider.

What a really shitty, and UNSAFE tactic to follow through with. What happened to the 2 second rule? Did this not apply to him???? That was more like a split second. :mad:

[White trash]

Perhaps, in his defense, admiring the view?

[Gone Burger]

Perhaps, in his defense, admiring the view?

Well, I may have a small ass... but if he used his glasses he could have kept back a wee bit

[george formby]

I guess Katipie, that some Federales are far less professional & ethical than others. I wonder what the outcome would have been if he had rear ended you? Be a bugger to squirm out of for an allegedly professional driver.

[Eyegasm]

Perhaps, in his defense, admiring the view?

Ahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa:killingme:killingme:killi ngme

Talk about blunt Jimmy...

At least I hide it with "I'm on a 250 and that's why I follow ya"

[Gone Burger]

Ahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa:killingme:killingme:killi ngme

Talk about blunt Jimmy...

At least I hide it with "I'm on a 250 and that's why I follow ya"

:Oi: it may be your birthday sunshine but that does not mean you get to be even more of a cheeky bugga than usual.

[Gone Burger]

I guess Katipie, that some Federales are far less professional & ethical than others. I wonder what the outcome would have been if he had rear ended you? Be a bugger to squirm out of for an allegedly professional driver.

Agreed George - if I really did come across something on the road that I seriously needed to react to, it would have been a VERY bad outcome for both him, and myself. When I breaked to make him back the hell off, I still did this with huge caution, knowing just how close he was and what could happen. I watched him like a hawk when I did it, and was ready on the throttle to pull away in a heart beat if he had his eyes closed.

He was just waiting for me to stuff up. Would have been more than happy for him to actually pull me over, rather than intimidate me.

[SMOKEU]

Yea I've had it happen to me a few times its also illegal, as its a form of entrapment.

Try telling that to a judge. In a court of law, just because the officer was following too close does not prove that he/she was forcing you to exceed any speed limit.



Talk about intimidation! I was not at all impressed. My speedo reads the main reading in miles, and I'm not yet 100% sure what 100k bang on it. So was constantly trying to get it right.



62mph is about right.

[Gone Burger]

62mph is about right.

Thank you - that is where I was sitting. Phew - I could have been in the wrong lol

[Brian d marge]

there was a court case in England where the woman argued just that

she was followed too closely by a big scary motorcyclist ( cop) and felt intimidated , so she didnt want to stop/slow down because she was scared

it worked

judge threw the fine out the window

Stephen

[The Baron]

Yes it happens in the Wairarapa often. More so with cars than bikes.
We had to school our kids up on it as something to look out for with police cars.

[Scuba_Steve]

Try telling that to a judge. In a court of law, just because the officer was following too close does not prove that he/she was forcing you to exceed any speed limit.
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never had to always been thrown out at the 1st write in after I mention entrapment, they usually rely on ignorance to pull it off. But then also remember I only said it was illegal never said our (in)justice system would judge lawfully.

[SMOKEU]

never had to always been thrown out at the 1st write in after I mention entrapment, they usually rely on ignorance to pull it off. But then also remember I only said it was illegal never said our (in)justice system would judge lawfully.

It's still your word against a cop. If the cop really wants to sting you for it, then they will.

[Toaster]

Has anyone ever encountered this strategy? I haven't, but according to a chap I know it is quite common.


The best response is to pull to the left and let them pass, take down the rego and lay an immediate complaint with a supervisor and if no action take it to the IPCA.

Supervisors take a dim view of those that receive multiple complaints.... smoke and fire and all that.

Any cop doing this sort of tactic deserves to lose their job.

[James Deuce]

Stop whining. *555 the cop and then go and fill in the form and be nice to the nice who will ring you up to ask if you'd like to involve the PCA or not.

I just pull over and stop. My normal tactic of two gears down and 20 seconds of acceleration to make some room would get me into trouble.

[James Deuce]

Yea I've had it happen to me a few times its also illegal, as its a form of entrapment.

You watch too many American reality cop shows.

[Gone Burger]

Stop whining. *555 the cop and then go and fill in the form and be nice to the nice who will ring you up to ask if you'd like to involve the PCA or not.

All very well if you are lucky enough to have cell phone reception when you are in the middle of no-where, and miles away from a township.

As for stopping, if he hadn't backed off then, I was going to pull over and stop. But of course, being on your own sometime in places quite remote, you also do have to concider that too, and I shouldn't have been put in that situation in the first place. Not to mention gravel on the verge of the road - a place I GREATLY go out of my way avoid with my bike, learnt from past mistakes.

[Toaster]

What a really shitty, and UNSAFE tactic to follow through with. What happened to the 2 second rule? Did this not apply to him???? That was more like a split second. :mad:

Yes the 2 second rule does apply to police and they damn well know it, even in pursuits.

Don't tolerate it and don't let them win.

Simply pull over and lay a complaint asap using the car rego, time and place.

Tapping your rear brake is a good warning to them but I would rather see them dealt with to squash this completely inappropriate tactic.

Hardly propoting good driving practices given that they themselves issue infringements to others for following too close.

Again it is a matter of the few ruining it for the others that do it right.

[Mully]

Eek - I certainly wouldn't stomp on the picks with a "Professional Driver" in his Commodore on my arse.

Good way to end up deaded.

I'd pull over, and let him go. Or ride at 20km/h below the speed limit.

Actually, I'd consider using the brake pedal just to flash the brake light at him.

[DMNTD]

Hardly propoting good driving practices given that they themselves issue infringements to others for following too close.

Does that mean I could also get of the odd speeding ticket too, mister? :sunny:

[Toaster]

Does that mean I could also get of the odd speeding ticket too, mister? :sunny:

Don't get me started.....

[Toaster]

Eek - I certainly wouldn't stomp on the picks with a "Professional Driver" in his Commodore on my arse.

Good way to end up deaded.

I'd pull over, and let him go. Or ride at 20km/h below the speed limit.

Actually, I'd consider using the brake pedal just to flash the brake light at him.


Exactly. A 1 week practical driving course does NOT a professional driver make.

[shrub]

and if he didn't drop back I'd pull over and trade places with the obligatory 2 secs gap.

[mashman]

and if he didn't drop back I'd pull over and trade places with the obligatory 2 secs gap.

That's where the fog lights come in handy (obviously not on a bike). No need to touch the brakes, just pop on the fog light. Wasn't there mention of ginja cooper doing something similar to the Orkers.?

[The Pastor]

Has anyone ever encountered this strategy? I haven't, but according to a chap I know it is quite common.

Have had this happen to me a lot of times.

Empty road and cop pulled over, i go passed, he pulls out then every 30sec he radars me. If I pull over he will stop and do the checks etc

I have had this happen to me on Auckland motorway too! its crazy. The only way to deal with it is pull into a driveway (dosen't always work!) or just hope he gets bored or a speeder comes from the other direction!


Just move left and wave 'im through...

Yeah doesn't work in my experience!


A few years ago the Feds had a black, tinted window WRX up here & they pulled a LOT of boy racers off the road. I never witnessed the strategy but was followed by the car a few times & overtaken by them when I was sitting at the speed limit. I would not say I was being entrapped but definitely tempted.
Sometimes I'm happy to put up with age when the wisdom accrued saves my butt.

Maybe they tailgate on a slow day..

I saw a cop in an old white BMW in whanagrei. 20" chromes, big more and what looked like illegal tints. He was FLOORING it from 0-50k at all the lights trying to get a drag race going. He was in a weird police uniform that i'd never seen before - dark blue baseball cap and a puffy jacket. My radar detector was going nuts.


I had an undercover right up my jacksie one night in one of the cages, I drove as normal and tootled into a 100km area, where he tailgated me further and then pulled me over. Waste of my time and his time.

That's 100% the cops goal, to waste your time. remember its not a waste of his time as hes getting paid to do nothin!


That, or pull the handbrake (so there's no brake lights to warn them.) My car is shit and I need the money. Hasn't worked yet.

Good luck defending the dangerous driving charge. Remember its your word vs his in court.

[jtzzr]

Does that mean I could also get of the odd speeding ticket too, mister? :sunny:

Coming from someone with a direct dial to the demerit system and Kiwibike Insurance ,don`t push your luck bro :yes:

Saw a guy been followed by a popo along the northern motorway , I was about 500mtrs behind, the guy on the bike was pootling along with the popo right up his arse , the guy on the bike got to Barrys Point rd(southbound), waited to the very last second and indicated left and got onto the off-ramp, popo could do nothing and had to pull over onto the shoulder and think about what could have been.

Was that you Scotty?

[JimO]

years ago i was towing a caravan to central otago, then the limit for towing was 80ks and spied a plainjane white commodore way ahead, i caught up to it quite quickly and found he was doing 60ks on the open road, he sped up to 75 ks and i knew he was trying to get me to pass him, i followed him for about 20 ks until he turned down a side road, about 10 minutes later he was behind me. he must have had fuck all to do that day

[Genie]

Had something similar happen the other day going down the Buller, cop was in between me and this fella on a Harley. Harley was sitting on about 95, cop pulled over and then tucked in behind me for about 50k's, I sat on 95 and watched the Harley cruise off into the distance. Didn't bother me having a cop on my arse, he kept me out of trouble:innocent:

[The Stranger]

Has anyone ever encountered this strategy? I haven't, but according to a chap I know it is quite common.

Used to be a very common antic of ginger on the ATNR.
I put a post up to this effect previously and querying if we have entrapment laws in NZ.

[Usarka]

Have had this happen to me a lot of times.

Empty road and cop pulled over, i go passed, he pulls out then every 30sec he radars me.

You'll be shooting blanks.

[rouppe]

Happened to me in my car quite a few years ago. Driving north up towards Taihape. He (in a marked car) followed at a distance, zoomed up, fell back, zoomed up.

I stopped in Taihape for a break, he pulled up across the road, and then told me to stay in the car while he gave me some snarky lecture about how I'd been 'seen speeding' in Hunterville.

"Nope officer, you're wrong. I know you're wrong cause today happens to be the only day in recent years I decided to stick religiously to the limit"
"You were seen"
"Get them here then, I'll be in the coffee shop"
"Got my eye on you sonny"

To make it worse, despite me having done nothing, and not been stopped by the official method of lights and/or sirens he baled me up in my car and refused to let me exit.

Little prick. I've been waiting for a similar event to unfold so that at the end of it I can demand his details to make a complaint but it hasn't happened since.

[Rych]

hmmm, cop's tail gating you most likely means you're probably going too slow as a lot of people do when they see police, automatically think they must go below the speed limit by 10km/h...

If they are trying to make you speed that's plain rude, I don't know of any that would do that.

[Shadows]

Definately happens, more than once in my own experience.

[Hinny]

... he is almost glued to my ass ...

I'm confident that every man who has met you would like to be in that position.:yes:

Can't blame him for that.

[scumdog]

Has anyone ever encountered this strategy? I haven't, but according to a chap I know it is quite common.

What's with this 'make'???:blink:

[Bassmatt]

I was following a mufti down the Tauranga side of the Kaimais at 100kph. Cop pulls into the slow vehicle lane and stayed in it, still doing 100, obviously hoping i would pass him and thus exceed 100. Pretty fucken cynical policing if you ask me. Also, I tend to pass cars that pull over for me out of courtesy as they clearly would prefer i was in front of them.
Makes you wonder how bad the speeding problem really is if they have to resort to these sort of tactics.
And they dont know why the public doesn't respect em like they used to - wankers.

[scumdog]

Have had this happen to me a lot of times.

Empty road and cop pulled over, i go passed, he pulls out then every 30sec he radars me. If I pull over he will stop and do the checks etc

I have had this happen to me on Auckland motorway too! its crazy. The only way to deal with it is pull into a driveway (dosen't always work!) or just hope he gets bored or a speeder comes from the other direction!

Yeah doesn't work in my experience!

I saw a cop in an old white BMW in whanagrei. 20" chromes, big more and what looked like illegal tints. He was FLOORING it from 0-50k at all the lights trying to get a drag race going. He was in a weird police uniform that i'd never seen before - dark blue baseball cap and a puffy jacket. My radar detector was going nuts.

.

The above reminds me of why I'm glad I don't live on the exciting and vibrant Norfeyeland.:yes:

[george formby]

I was following a mufti down the Tauranga side of the Kaimais at 100kph. Cop pulls into the slow vehicle lane and stayed in it, still doing 100, obviously hoping i would pass him and thus exceed 100. Pretty fucken cynical policing if you ask me. Also, I tend to pass cars that pull over for me out of courtesy as they clearly would prefer i was in front of them.
Makes you wonder how bad the speeding problem really is if they have to resort to these sort of tactics.
And they dont know why the public doesn't respect em like they used to - wankers.

Refresh my memory on Slow vehicle lanes. Do you filter left regardless or only enter the lane if you are in fact a slow vehicle i.e. cannot maintain an adequate speed?
Genuine question, left my road code at home.

[Bassmatt]

Refresh my memory on Slow vehicle lanes. Do you filter left regardless or only enter the lane if you are in fact a slow vehicle i.e. cannot maintain an adequate speed?
Genuine question, left my road code at home.

You only use them if you are slow, hence the name, they are pretty much there for the trucks which I believe can only go down at the same speed they can go up.

[Scuba_Steve]

Refresh my memory on Slow vehicle lanes. Do you filter left regardless or only enter the lane if you are in fact a slow vehicle i.e. cannot maintain an adequate speed?
Genuine question, left my road code at home.

only if your slower than the other traffic they're just there to allow you to let others past they are not a lane in itself as such

[Taz]

And they wonder why there is no respect. I can see a run on machetes at the otara market.

[george formby]

only if your slower than the other traffic they're just there to allow you to let others past they are not a lane in itself as such

Cheers all. That was my take, you have to physically change lane to use one so why would a cop maintain the open road limit in a slow vehicle lane?

A+ Left his road code at home too

B+ Deviousnes

C+ Genuine mistake

D+ He's f@#$%^g with ya!

Answers on a post card please...

[PrincessBandit]

I've never had cops do it to me, but if it did I'd be only too happy to engage in some verbal dialogue with them over it. My daughter's friends don't call me a daschund for nothing!

[Berg]

I have been called in to cert speedos for the police (I refuse to call them popo as I find that offensive to Len Snee who was murdered by a scumbag called Popo). Almost every speedo I have checked reads up to 10kph fast with 8kph being the average. If you are cruising along at an indicated 100kph and are in fact doing 90-92 the policeman would have pulled into the slow lane to let you go as their speedos are certed to within 3kph at 100kph.
I have never seen the deliberate tailgating act in 25 years of driving and riding. Must just be the way I ride.

[Hinny]

My daughter's friends call me a dachshund ...

That's a bit of entertainment! :clap:

[PrincessBandit]

Given that my speedo overreads by about 8kph I happily sit at 110 knowing that I'm quite safe. I'd always automatically answer around 10kph less if stopped and asked.

However since I'm such a boring old duck on the road I can't remember ever having been pulled over - bike or car. Can't be fagged drawing unnecessary attention to myself though. Hence, if I'm ever pulled over it would unlikely be for speeding.

[george formby]

I have been called in to cert speedos for the police (I refuse to call them popo as I find that offensive to Len Snee who was murdered by a scumbag called Popo). Almost every speedo I have checked reads up to 10kph fast with 8kph being the average. If you are cruising along at an indicated 100kph and are in fact doing 90-92 the policeman would have pulled into the slow lane to let you go as their speedos are certed to within 3kph at 100kph.
I have never seen the deliberate tailgating act in 25 years of driving and riding. Must just be the way I ride.

You may have a point their. As for the speedo, that may be another good point.

E+ speedo error

I have never felt as if i was being tailgated, enticed to race yes, but not tailgated & probably look to be a "sensible" rider. Appropriate gear & conservative riding style.

[Spazman727]

Umm rather not put my 15 month old baby at further risk. But okay. :blink:

Only when Im alone, I'd never do that with anyone else in the car, and only at less that 50 k (I usually slow down in front of tailgaters anyway)

[Ocean1]

My normal tactic of two gears down and 20 seconds of acceleration to make some room would get me into trouble.

20 seconds?

SL100 was it? You demon.

[James Deuce]

20 seconds?

SL100 was it? You demon.

I never said I used full throttle. That would be dangerous and I would spontaneously die through speeding and all that.

[Kickaha]

I have never seen the deliberate tailgating act in 25 years of driving and riding. Must just be the way I ride.


Neither have I, but everyone seems to have a mate it's happened to

[Katman]

Neither have I, but everyone seems to have a mate it's happened to

I bet miloking has.

[scumdog]

Neither have I, but everyone seems to have a mate it's happened to


Sums up my experience too - from both ends of the spectrum.:yes:

[Gremlin]

Find a gravel road off to the side... lets see his normal cop car follow me :laugh:

[Dave Lobster]

It's happened to me on the Northern motorway, southbound to Auckland. Mufti (blue) car. Tailgating me, and enticing me to race.
Reported him. Apparently, it's perfectly legal to do this. It's not tailgating. It's speed checking.

[XxKiTtiExX]

Only when Im alone, I'd never do that with anyone else in the car, and only at less that 50 k (I usually slow down in front of tailgaters anyway)


I have a set speed for when I'm being tailgated. 60. :yes:

[saltydog]

Had it happen in the cage while returning home from town with a feed of KFC. Theres a steep winding hill at the back of town heading up to my place. As I was about to start up from the bottom a muftie coon sat on my arse and almost pushed me up the hill and around the next two corners. Now this critter was using the 'half second rule' and was bloody close! So corner three i took hold of the KFC on the passenger seat, rested my foot on the brake just enough to acticvate the brake lights, and fed it to my Commy. I get a good jump on him, pulling away, and by the fifth corner he's fallen back but his bloody lights come on. I pull the car over in the next side road (100m past the point when he turned on the blue and reds) with great gusto and rip the door open and am pacing towrds him as he pulls up. (This is before the days of P) And I say "what was that all about?' he says 'why did you take off?', I said "because you were right up my arse and and pushed me all the way up the hill, it was dangerous", he said "well what was i supposed to do?, you took off, I had to chase you?" i said " look mate all I was doing was trying to get home to eat my KFC mate" He then said" I should ticket you?" To which i replyed " And I'll lay a complaint with your sergent"
He then asked for the licence, disappeared and returned after about 2 mins and said " I'm going to give you a caution for your excessive speed back there" (I did hit about 90 in a 50 before I buttoned off), "enjoy your meal"
Not one to mince words I trundled the 500m to my house in disbelief at what had just happened.
And when i got on the couch, box on, the fuckers at KFC had forgotten my chips!

[miloking]

It's happened to me on the Northern motorway, southbound to Auckland. Mufti (blue) car. Tailgating me, and enticing me to race.
Reported him. Apparently, it's perfectly legal to do this. It's not tailgating. It's speed checking.

Well then the race that ensues must be also perfecly legal and loser buys the donuts...

And no Katman i dont have any mates it happened to...but i did nearly get hit by cop making uturn on tuesday!

(i must admit it would be quite an irony if I got killed by cops while cycling to work tho)

[Ocean1]

Find a gravel road off to the side... lets see his normal cop car follow me :laugh:

Ohyez! :laugh:

And if he can manage hot pursuit at those (perfectly legal) speeds the poor old commode is going to take a beating.

[hellokitty]

I haven't been tail gated by a cop but I often had them following me - especially late at night - I had a lowered ute with black tinted windows. They would think I was a teenage boy - so I would lower the window and wave to show them I was a 30 something lady and not a teenage boy, and then they would leave ..... :woohoo:

We have noticed the change in cops behaviour when on the bikes - if I am with my husband, he doesn't get pulled over but if he is on his own he does = he looks like a gang member I guess! I guess no self respecting gang member would ride with a woman in a pink jacket :niceone:

[scumdog]

Ohyez! :laugh:

And if he can manage hot pursuit at those (perfectly legal) speeds the poor old commode is going to take a beating.


Not the Commodore paid for by the tax-payer:shit:

Surely not......

[Conquiztador]

On my chopper I was travelling in Sweden in another lifetime. I was sitting at approx 110k/h. It was wet but not really raining. A cop car, that was sitting on side of the road, decided that I was worth following. He placed him self approx 5 meters behind my rear tyre. That was fine. Then it started to rain hard. I twisted the handle and initially he tried to keep up, but soon lost me. I could see nothing but fuck me, I was not gonna let that stop me. I kept it up (as it was a main road and many k's to ride) but never saw him again. Was expecting something in the mail but nothing. Never seen anything like that in NZ.

[roogazza]

Not one to mince words I trundled the 500m to my house in disbelief at what had just happened.
And when i got on the couch, box on, the fuckers at KFC had forgotten my chips!

No chips, BASTARDS ! hate that.

[Pixie]

Has anyone ever encountered this strategy? I haven't, but according to a chap I know it is quite common.

I had a fucker follow me in the dark for over 20 km.The next morning I called the station and complained to the sargent.Cop was given arseholes for his driving.

And by "tailgating" I mean he was 1.5 metres from my rear wheel....cunt

[Pixie]

I was following a mufti down the Tauranga side of the Kaimais at 100kph. Cop pulls into the slow vehicle lane and stayed in it, still doing 100, obviously hoping i would pass him and thus exceed 100. Pretty fucken cynical policing if you ask me. Also, I tend to pass cars that pull over for me out of courtesy as they clearly would prefer i was in front of them.
Makes you wonder how bad the speeding problem really is if they have to resort to these sort of tactics.
And they dont know why the public doesn't respect em like they used to - wankers.

The "speeding problem" is reducing all the time.However this makes the "achieving quota problem" and the "hitting revenue targets problem" more difficult.

[imdying]

Neither have I, but everyone seems to have a mate it's happened toI've seen it happen to somebody else (had a moan a few months back). Not a very nice practice.

The more professional a driver is supposed to be, the worse they are though. Taxi drivers, bus drivers, police, all shite to some degree.

[Reckless]

Had it happen weekend before last! Did a Wellington trip stayed in Paraparaumu, Tawa and Upper Hutt over the three nights I was there. 1600k's, 6 hrs to Wellington each way, no tickets, not an over the top fast trip, just cruisin. I must say the cage drivers are being very very good to us bikers, I got warning flashes heaps of times. Twice that saved my ass! Must get that radar detector mount sorted??

On the way home though Desert road area came up on this cop that was obviously hunting! He was slowing down to 50k before blind rises in the road and pulling well over to the left so the on coming cars couldn't see him before he crested them. Because of this drama going on in front I caught up with him and eventually had to pass. So he sat on my arse for about 15 mins, probably doing a rego check etc. But he was really close about a car length. I was bored by this stage so it was a fun game to play I just held the SV digital speedo in 100K even round the slower corners. But he was defiantly having a go! He pulled off around Turangi somewhere I think. That was fine while he was playing with me some other poor prick wasn't getting a ticket and I was able to flash them in return for the good grace they had shown me on the trip!

I say again thanks to all the cagers on the trip that flashed me warnings even when I was being a good boy.

[cheshirecat]

It's happened to me on the Northern motorway, southbound to Auckland. Mufti (blue) car. Tailgating me, and enticing me to race.
Reported him. Apparently, it's perfectly legal to do this. It's not tailgating. It's speed checking.

Surely not as it would be contary to the official road code and classified as careless driving
"At any time a motorcyclist may suddenly swerve or slow down to avoid road hazards."
see here (http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/about-other-road-users/sharing-road-with-motorcyclists.html) this incredibly well researched thought out, asute, comprehensive, non contradictory,....document

[Scuba_Steve]

The "speeding problem" is reducing all the time.However this makes the "achieving quota problem" and the "hitting revenue targets problem" more difficult.

why do you think they now starting to "blitz" bikes, centrelines, & "slow" drivers?

[shrub]

I say again thanks to all the cagers on the trip that flashed me warnings even when I was being a good boy.

I find a lot of cagers flash me these days. Wednesday I went for a spin up to Kaikoura for fish and chips and over the hunderlees all but 2 cars pulled over to let me through. One that didn't was a woman in a Corolla that cut damn near every corner and the other was a halfwit in a Jeep Wrangler thing that was trying to go fast through the corners.

[martybabe]

It happened to me last week, or did it? who knows what the intention of the copper is bar him but... at least 10k with the marked car a couple of meters off my back wheel at 100k. Reached a passing lane and slowed to 80k cause I was well sick of my mirrors full of cop car but he still refused to go around me.

I quickly shot back up to the ton to give me enough space to pull over without him wiping me up and he shot past at a disgraceful rate of jollies. All happened on an empty road in daylight. If he wasn't trying to goad me into shooting off for the horizon, I have no bloody idea what his game was. Stupid and dangerous driving whatever he was playing at.

Does anyone know how accurate gps speed readings are ? mine has the car and the bikes speed recording at 95ish whilst the speedometers read 100k, at 100k on the GPS both vehicles register about 108-109k.

[Scuba_Steve]

Does anyone know how accurate gps speed readings are ? mine has the car and the bikes speed recording at 95ish whilst the speedometers read 100k, at 100k on the GPS both vehicles register about 108-109k.

I have heard GPS speed readings are accurate enough they can be used as defence/offence

[Maha]

Has anyone ever encountered this strategy? I haven't, but according to a chap I know it is quite common.

I would have thought the smart thing to do would be to move out of the way?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Had it happen in the cage while returning home from town with a feed of KFC. Theres a steep winding hill at the back of town heading up to my place. As I was about to start up from the bottom a muftie coon sat on my arse and almost pushed me up the hill and around the next two corners. Now this critter was using the 'half second rule' and was bloody close! So corner three i took hold of the KFC on the passenger seat, rested my foot on the brake just enough to acticvate the brake lights, and fed it to my Commy. I get a good jump on him, pulling away, and by the fifth corner he's fallen back but his bloody lights come on. I pull the car over in the next side road (100m past the point when he turned on the blue and reds) with great gusto and rip the door open and am pacing towrds him as he pulls up. (This is before the days of P) And I say "what was that all about?' he says 'why did you take off?', I said "because you were right up my arse and and pushed me all the way up the hill, it was dangerous", he said "well what was i supposed to do?, you took off, I had to chase you?" i said " look mate all I was doing was trying to get home to eat my KFC mate" He then said" I should ticket you?" To which i replyed " And I'll lay a complaint with your sergent"
He then asked for the licence, disappeared and returned after about 2 mins and said " I'm going to give you a caution for your excessive speed back there" (I did hit about 90 in a 50 before I buttoned off), "enjoy your meal"
Not one to mince words I trundled the 500m to my house in disbelief at what had just happened.
And when i got on the couch, box on, the fuckers at KFC had forgotten my chips!

The lesson there is






KFC is shit.

[NighthawkNZ]

Does anyone know how accurate gps speed readings are ? mine has the car and the bikes speed recording at 95ish whilst the speedometers read 100k, at 100k on the GPS both vehicles register about 108-109k.


GPS readings are pretty accurate but, and its a big but... (hey my butts not that big) they only get an update from the SatNAV every 3 seconds, so your GPS could be reading 98.5 kph but you could have crept up to 101 or more before you get the next update ... so you should use it inconjunction with your speedo which will show your speed increase instanly

[Reckless]

all but 2 cars pulled over to let me through.

I found this on my trip as well!! Heaps of them pull over when you sit by their right rear quarter. I always wave thanks for this! Especially on those loooong stretches of road up here they have double yellow lined where we can pass easily, can't cage drivers make good passing decisions anymore? Why have 20k of double yellows?? :facepalm:



I would have thought the smart thing to do would be to move out of the way?

Yes that would always be the best option for all those newbies reading this thread!!

My guy wasn't being to dangerous (unless I did something stupid) he was just being a dick!

[yungatart]

Nobody (including a cop tailgating you) can MAKE you do anything...all the choices are yours!
Sheesh, talk about conspiracy...get your tinfoil hats out people....

[Reckless]

Sheesh, talk about conspiracy...get your tinfoil hats out people....

No ones talking conspiracy? we are just telling our recent experiences. I certainly don't think its an organised practice just a few taking things to far.

[James Deuce]

No ones talking conspiracy? we are just telling our recent experiences. I certainly don't think its an organised practice just a few taking things to far.


I think it's more a case of cops driving like Kiwis and implementing all those things we regard as best practice, like tailgating and not indicating. I wouldn't read "deliberate" tailgating into it, just a typically useless Kiwi driver.

[Spearfish]

Nobody (including a cop tailgating you) can MAKE you do anything...all the choices are yours!
Sheesh, talk about conspiracy...get your tinfoil hats out people....

I've had tinfoil cap on under my helmet since I started reading kb forums, worked so far......:shifty:

[Berries]

And when i got on the couch, box on, the fuckers at KFC had forgotten my chips!
Komplete Fucking Cocks.

[grusomhat]

Just move left and wave 'im through...

'em **

sorry.

[James Deuce]

'em **

sorry.

"em is short for "them"

'im is short for "him"

Mmmkay?

[HenryDorsetCase]

this is the theme song for this thread:

4E5aF_rdX9Q

[superman]

Komplete Fucking Cocks.

Keen For Cock was our general use at high school to describe the ladies :yes:

Very subtle we were :facepalm:

[pearlygirl]

Dunno if he was trying to make me speed or not but had a cop follow me last August I stuck to speed limit he got impatient and finally past me and sped off doing at least 120 ks (I followed him for a while but cut speed back at 110) was in my cage though

[grusomhat]

"em is short for "them"

'im is short for "him"

Mmmkay?

Them is without gender.

[davereid]

never had to always been thrown out at the 1st write in after I mention entrapment, they usually rely on ignorance to pull it off. But then also remember I only said it was illegal never said our (in)justice system would judge lawfully.

Im not sure if entrapment is illegal in New Zealand, or exactly what has to be done to make it pass the test for entrapment.

Here in Kapiti, Police have just done a sting on some of the local bars for under-age drinking.

Police basically found two 17.95 year old girls, dressed them in clothes well out of the reach and style of 18 year olds, gave them make-up and hair, plus a wad of cash, then delivered them to various bars around the town.

So police found under-age girls, and supplied them with the means, cash and transport to break the law, and encouraged them to do it.

But it is the bar-maid, who judging appearance, clothing etc. will pay for it.

[James Deuce]

Im not sure if entrapment is illegal in New Zealand, or exactly what has to be done to make it pass the test for entrapment.

Here in Kapiti, Police have just done a sting on some of the local bars for under-age drinking.

Police basically found two 17.95 year old girls, dressed them in clothes well out of the reach and style of 18 year olds, gave them make-up and hair, plus a wad of cash, then delivered them to various bars around the town.

So police found under-age girls, and supplied them with the means, cash and transport to break the law, and encouraged them to do it.

But it is the bar-maid, who judging appearance, clothing etc. will pay for it.

The hidden camera stings Target do should be enough of a hint to people that US law and NZ law is a bit different.

[scumdog]

Im not sure if entrapment is illegal in New Zealand, or exactly what has to be done to make it pass the test for entrapment.

Here in Kapiti, Police have just done a sting on some of the local bars for under-age drinking.

Police basically found two 17.95 year old girls, dressed them in clothes well out of the reach and style of 18 year olds, gave them make-up and hair, plus a wad of cash, then delivered them to various bars around the town.

So police found under-age girls, and supplied them with the means, cash and transport to break the law, and encouraged them to do it.

But it is the bar-maid, who judging appearance, clothing etc. will pay for it.

A c.p.o.

Done all over the country, all the time:yes:.

And the managers licence suffers too if the underaged ones get served.

All the bar staff/bottle-store staff have to do is ask for I.D.

And just about all do - whereupon the girls say they have none and are then asked to leave.

It's not really rocket science.



Oh, and your description of what age the girls are, how they are 'done up' etc makes me think you use to work for the Truth - or still work for the Herald...

(the girls aren't "dressed them in clothes well out of the reach and style of 18 year olds, gave them make-up and hair," by police at all - weak troll)

[ynot slow]

Im not sure if entrapment is illegal in New Zealand, or exactly what has to be done to make it pass the test for entrapment.

Here in Kapiti, Police have just done a sting on some of the local bars for under-age drinking.

Police basically found two 17.95 year old girls, dressed them in clothes well out of the reach and style of 18 year olds, gave them make-up and hair, plus a wad of cash, then delivered them to various bars around the town.

So police found under-age girls, and supplied them with the means, cash and transport to break the law, and encouraged them to do it.

But it is the bar-maid, who judging appearance, clothing etc. will pay for it.

A friend of mine in Hawera who owned a bar was in a similar entrapment sting,we were having a beer after work on a Tuesday evening,in came this girl and asked for a drinkthe barmaid/owner winked at us,mixed her the drink,asked for the money,and then said oh ID please,the stupid thing was the girl was a friend of hers daughter and she knew she was 17or so,second thing was the girl was seen going into the local police station(accross the road)30 mins before.

Just as the police and liquor licensing lady came in to say well done,the barmaid said "hang on guys,I want to issue this girl a trespass order" the cop asked why,"because she is underage,knows it and I can trespass anyone from here according to my licensing act,and I wish to press trespass charges on the basis she isn't allowed on my premises unless eating in restaurant(which she isn't)".The lawyer in the bar was helpfull lol.

If the cops drive to close it's just the way kiwis use the roads in general,just because they're cops during work doesn't make them perfect drivers,much like us all.

[red mermaid]

Urban legend.
These kind of operations are specifically allowed by legislation.


A friend of mine in Hawera who owned a bar was in a similar entrapment sting,we were having a beer after work on a Tuesday evening,in came this girl and asked for a drinkthe barmaid/owner winked at us,mixed her the drink,asked for the money,and then said oh ID please,the stupid thing was the girl was a friend of hers daughter and she knew she was 17or so,second thing was the girl was seen going into the local police station(accross the road)30 mins before.

Just as the police and liquor licensing lady came in to say well done,the barmaid said "hang on guys,I want to issue this girl a trespass order" the cop asked why,"because she is underage,knows it and I can trespass anyone from here according to my licensing act,and I wish to press trespass charges on the basis she isn't allowed on my premises unless eating in restaurant(which she isn't)".The lawyer in the bar was helpfull lol.

If the cops drive to close it's just the way kiwis use the roads in general,just because they're cops during work doesn't make them perfect drivers,much like us all.

[Damantis]

On a bike, if he stops behind you just say you want to check your phone cos you thought you heard ? felt it ringing. If you're in a car, pick up your phone and dial *555. When the officer pulls you over just say you are reporting some stupid driving as the law allows you to call *555 without a hands-free kit while driving. Habd him the phone and say " It's for you. " :innocent:

[GP Red Baron]

Find a gravel road off to the side... lets see his normal cop car follow me :laugh:

They do have reverse so shouldn't be too much of an issue :sunny:

[HenryDorsetCase]

A friend of mine in Hawera who owned a bar was in a similar entrapment sting,we were having a beer after work on a Tuesday evening,in came this girl and asked for a drinkthe barmaid/owner winked at us,mixed her the drink,asked for the money,and then said oh ID please,the stupid thing was the girl was a friend of hers daughter and she knew she was 17or so,second thing was the girl was seen going into the local police station(accross the road)30 mins before.

Just as the police and liquor licensing lady came in to say well done,the barmaid said "hang on guys,I want to issue this girl a trespass order" the cop asked why,"because she is underage,knows it and I can trespass anyone from here according to my licensing act,and I wish to press trespass charges on the basis she isn't allowed on my premises unless eating in restaurant(which she isn't)".The lawyer in the bar was helpfull lol.

If the cops drive to close it's just the way kiwis use the roads in general,just because they're cops during work doesn't make them perfect drivers,much like us all.

years ago, way before the reforms to the Sale of Likker act and stuff, my Mum was looking after our pub by herself at about 9.30 on a Monday night. Mandatory 10pm closing. She closed early, and was prosecuted for failing to adhere to the mandated hours pursuant to the act. That is purely and simply because the local cop was a total tosser.

More Eddy Grant?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Im not sure if entrapment is illegal in New Zealand, or exactly what has to be done to make it pass the test for entrapment.

Here in Kapiti, Police have just done a sting on some of the local bars for under-age drinking.

Police basically found two 17.95 year old girls, dressed them in clothes well out of the reach and style of 18 year olds, gave them make-up and hair, plus a wad of cash, then delivered them to various bars around the town.

So police found under-age girls, and supplied them with the means, cash and transport to break the law, and encouraged them to do it.

But it is the bar-maid, who judging appearance, clothing etc. will pay for it.


Rightly in my view. ID everybody, its the rule.

in the trade we call this a "strict liability" offence

[XxKiTtiExX]

A c.p.o.

Done all over the country, all the time:yes:.

And the managers licence suffers too if the underaged ones get served.

All the bar staff/bottle-store staff have to do is ask for I.D.

And just about all do - whereupon the girls say they have none and are then asked to leave.

It's not really rocket science.



Oh, and your description of what age the girls are, how they are 'done up' etc makes me think you use to work for the Truth - or still work for the Herald...

(the girls aren't "dressed them in clothes well out of the reach and style of 18 year olds, gave them make-up and hair," by police at all - weak troll)


Having your license to sell alcohol is a priviledge not a right, something people forget (so in this instance I agree with them sending in underage people to find out if the strict license conditions are being adhered to or not. It is drummed into you when you sit the test to ID anyone who looks under 25, if in doubt ask for ID anyway. It isn't that hard. (I've had to ask a guy for ID once, turned out he was 31 haha).

[davereid]

Oh, and your description of what age the girls are, how they are 'done up' etc makes me think you use to work for the Truth - or still work for the Herald...

(the girls aren't "dressed them in clothes well out of the reach and style of 18 year olds, gave them make-up and hair," by police at all - weak troll)

I saw them so I will stand by my judgement there. I have an 18 year old grand-daughter, and her and her friends are in the house all the time. So I have a very good idea of how they dress and what they can afford to wear when they go out, and these girls were dressed well above the standard for teenagers, at least in this part of the country.

And while it may be legal, I guess I will also have to say I remain uncomfortable about a system that encourages and supports young people to break the law, in an effort to enforce it.

To my mind, a police force that is happy to create a situation where the law may be broken, to actually have people acting for police create the crime, and to then pounce on the victim shows the cards very clearly.

[fuknKIWI]

Does seem a little stupid and I'm sure there are easier ways to find speeders.
It's a selective enforcement tactic & at night they use the headlights on full tactic as well...

[shrub]

Rightly in my view. ID everybody, its the rule.

in the trade we call this a "strict liability" offence

I remember back to my days as a bouncer, and anyone who looked under 25 got id'd. Pain in the arse at times, but necessary.

[scumdog]

It's a selective enforcement tactic & at night they use the headlights on full tactic as well...

Wow, I must try that...but you better explain to me the rationale behind "use the headlights on full tactic" - it might come in quite handy...<_<

[scumdog]

I saw them so I will stand by my judgement there. I have an 18 year old grand-daughter, and her and her friends are in the house all the time. So I have a very good idea of how they dress and what they can afford to wear when they go out, and these girls were dressed well above the standard for teenagers, at least in this part of the country.

And while it may be legal, I guess I will also have to say I remain uncomfortable about a system that encourages and supports young people to break the law, in an effort to enforce it.

To my mind, a police force that is happy to create a situation where the law may be broken, to actually have people acting for police create the crime, and to then pounce on the victim shows the cards very clearly.


So...how would YOU suggest checks be done to see if licenced premises are selling booze to under-aged kid - ask the pub manager...??:confused:

[scumdog]

To my mind, a police force that is happy to create a situation where the law may be broken, to actually have people acting for police create the crime, and to then pounce on the victim shows the cards very clearly.

Sort of like sending somebody in to see if they can buy from a suspected tinny house?

Listen, pubs know the score, it goes with the territory, i - you don't see too many of those on KB who have some experience in the sale of liquor side of things complaining on here, do you?

[Dschubba]

Yes the 2 second rule does apply to police and they damn well know it, even in pursuits.


Saw a mufti cop a few days back, blue commodore, whitby roundabout, bla bla bla on a cell phone.
Found out subsequently that they have a dispensation from that rule.
Probably have a dispensation for lots of others too?

[Genie]

Sort of like sending somebody in to see if they can buy from a suspected tinny house?

Listen, pubs know the score, it goes with the territory, i - you don't see too many of those on KB who have some experience in the sale of liquor side of things complaining on here, do you?

dont' forget the corner dairy selling cigerettes...they get stung too if they sell to under 18.

[JimO]

So...how would YOU suggest checks be done to see if licenced premises are selling booze to under-aged kid - ask the pub manager...??:confused:

back in my day you could buy booze from the bottlestore of the captian cook tavern in your school uniform

[XxKiTtiExX]

So...how would YOU suggest checks be done to see if licenced premises are selling booze to under-aged kid - ask the pub manager...??:confused:

I just burst out laughing :facepalm:

[bsasuper]

The PoPo use a speed up behind you technique to get a good radar reading of you, dont confuse this with tail gateing

[davereid]

So...how would YOU suggest checks be done to see if licenced premises are selling booze to under-aged kid - ask the pub manager...??:confused:

The police used to do it without encouraging children to break the law.

They use to randomly walk in to the pub and have a look.

The problem with this approach, is it means the policeman has to judge the age of patrons.

And that's hard.

[Spearfish]

The police used to do it without encouraging children to break the law.

They use to randomly walk in to the pub and have a look.

The problem with this approach, is it means the policeman has to judge the age of patrons.

And that's hard.

Perhaps with the amount of money and human resources poured into Manakau by the police top brass there isn't the man power left around the rest of the country?

[Dave Lobster]

Perhaps with the amount of money and human resources poured into Manakau by the police top brass there isn't the man power left around the rest of the country?

They have to put the resources where the crime is though. Catching the odd pub selling to (mildly) underage girls is pretty insignificant, compared to how many manukau residents will kill their babies this christmas.

[MSTRS]

The police used to do it without encouraging children to break the law.


That's where you are wrong. It is not illegal for an under-18 to be on licenced premises or to buy alcohol. But it is illegal to let them stay there, or to sell to them. The onus of legality rests entirely with the premises and staff.

[Mully Clown]

The police used to do it without encouraging children to break the law.

They use to randomly walk in to the pub and have a look.

The problem with this approach, is it means the policeman has to judge the age of patrons.

And that's hard.

This still happens on a regular basis.

[Conquiztador]

That's where you are wrong. It is not illegal for an under-18 to be on licenced premises or to buy alcohol. But it is illegal to let them stay there, or to sell to them. The onus of legality rests entirely with the premises and staff.

Under 18yo's can stay at licensed premises with their parents/caretakers but are not to consume or be sold alcohol. They will even get a stamp on their wrist saying "UNDERAGE". Last time I did this with my boys were at The Cabana in Napier when we watched These Four Walls on Labour Day w/e.

I do not have a problem with the "send an underage in and let's see if they sell him/her booze" entrapment as such. And the consequenses for the young girl/boy are minimal. An experience and a "better work story" for the under 18yo. The bar/pub/hotel knows the rules.

We have gotten sidetracked from the "tailgating" issue... 20 years ago when living in Auckland I got to know a girl through my then wife. The girl used to be a police. She had become one for all the right reasons (serve the public, help, make a difference etc.) But it almost destroyed her life as she had been asked to go "under cover" and in her naevity she had accepted. She had "infiltrated" the gang scene but it all started to spiral out of control. She had also never before used any drugs but to keep her cover had to do so. She left the police very dissillusioned and as a result was still in councelling when I met her.

My example here is clearly very much different to the "tailgating" issue. But clearly demonstrates that our police force is prepared to put their staff in risk to achieve the outcomes. I would therefore not be the slightest surprised if it was a directive given to any officer on the road to "if you see someone you think is suspicious, get up really close and see if you can get them to break the law".

[MSTRS]

Under 18yo's can stay at licensed premises with their parents/caretakers but are not to consume or be sold alcohol.
Which was partly my point. Incidently, a minor can drink in a pub, if with a parent/guardian. But the parent must do the purchasing and hand the child the glass.


...I would therefore not be the slightest surprised if it was a directive given to any officer on the road to "if you see someone you think is suspicious, get up really close and see if you can get them to break the law".
More likely it is a case of 'We expect you to write x tickets. Ensure you do, and we don't care how you achieve it'

[davereid]

The police used to do it without encouraging children to break the law.

Fair enough, I didn't realise all the onus was on the pub staff, and that the kids could attempt to buy without fear of penalty.

Lets edit it to

"The police used to do it without encouraging and assisting children to set up others to break the law."

[Conquiztador]

More likely it is a case of 'We expect you to write x tickets. Ensure you do, and we don't care how you achieve it'

I honestly hope you are wrong.

[MSTRS]

Fair enough, I didn't realise all the onus was on the pub staff, and that the kids could attempt to buy without fear of penalty.

Lets edit it to

"The police used to do it without encouraging and assisting children to set up others to break the law."

Yep. Even way back in the 'old days', if a cop walked in to the bar and found an under-age, the kid would be escorted off the premises. Perhaps served with a trespass notice. And probably the parents would be spoken to. That's it.


I honestly hope you are wrong.
So do I. I don't actually believe it, but it is more believeable than cops being told to break the law to encourage others to follow suit.

[steve_t]

Yep. Even way back in the 'old days', if a cop walked in to the bar and found an under-age, the kid would be escorted off the premises. Perhaps served with a trespass notice. And probably the parents would be spoken to. That's it.


But that was before...
Now it's: Up to $2000 fine for the bar staff member who served, Up to $10,000 for the Manager on Duty, and Up to $20,000 fine for the business, plus a 24 hour closure for the bar

[MSTRS]

But that was before...
Now it's: Up to $2000 fine for the bar staff member who served, Up to $10,000 for the Manager on Duty, and Up to $20,000 fine for the business, plus a 24 hour closure for the bar

Yep. And still nothing for the kid...
Like the cigarette issue, businesses have been made de facto policemen, and suffer all the consequences of getting it wrong.

[placidfemme]

Has anyone ever encountered this strategy? I haven't, but according to a chap I know it is quite common.

Thats how I lost my license... He kept reving up behind me, was night time, his lights on bright, couldnt see shit in my mirrors... thought he was a boy racer as he had been behind me for about 10km at 150kph (If he was a cop he would have pulled me over 10km ago right? nope... not our NZ bacons)

Rah rah long story short my word against his (Yes speeding, but would not have exceeded 150kph on that certain ride had he not come up so close behind me rah rah) Went to court, lost my license, giant fine

cocks

[MSTRS]

Ha, she said 'cocks'...
Long time no see. Welcome back.

[Ocean1]

Fair enough, I didn't realise all the onus was on the pub staff

It is. But the owner cops the fine.


and that the kids could attempt to buy without fear of penalty.

What a neat game for the local teenagers eh?

Yet another example of rules where the penalties are levied against those who might be expected to be able to pay them, rather than those actually causing the "problem".

[MSTRS]

It also has to be said that it takes just one cop to oversee a booze-buying sting. Which frees up any number to run booze bus checkpoints.
It could be argued that this is a good thing?

[Ocean1]

It could be argued that this is a good thing?


Just not with any great hopes of success...

[MSTRS]

The more cynical amongst us would be pointing out how checkpoints may catch drunks and make a bit of coin on the side, but one cop with a stoolie can really clean up...

[shrub]

It also has to be said that it takes just one cop to oversee a booze-buying sting. Which frees up any number to run booze bus checkpoints.
It could be argued that this is a good thing?

I remember one night this very drunk chick turned up at my door and wanted in - I told her that wasn't going to happen so she asked if she could come in, have a glass of water and could I call a taxi. I said yes, escorted her in and got a glass of water while I asked the bar chick to call a taxi - next thing I get a tap on the shoulder, and there's a couple of fine members of our beloved law enforcement agencies.

To cut a long story short, they had been following her waiting for a bar to admit her. The chick behind the bar was stopped from calling a taxi so they could talk to her, I nearly lost my job, the bar was almost fined and half an hour later I saw the same chick staggering down the road on the arm of a guy 20 years her senior. Nice work popo.

[placidfemme]

Ha, she said 'cocks'...
Long time no see. Welcome back.

lol hello!! Yeah I've been on a KB diet!

[HenryDorsetCase]

dont' forget the corner dairy selling cigerettes...they get stung too if they sell to under 18.

When I rule you all (and I will) it will be unlawful for anyone under the age of 90 to buy cigarettes, and only if they have a note from their Mum saying its OK. Dated the day the want to buy them.

[HenryDorsetCase]

It is. But the owner cops the fine.



What a neat game for the local teenagers eh?

Yet another example of rules where the penalties are levied against those who might be expected to be able to pay them, rather than those actually causing the "problem".

I think the buyer commits an offence too. Probably there is an exemption if you are put up to it by the police

[MSTRS]

You are right HDC
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1989/0063/latest/DLM166369.html#DLM166369
However, I seriously doubt that any minor will actually get fined...

[fatzx10r]

Has anyone ever encountered this strategy

i have, i had a muffty cop tailgate me down the motorway once when i was in my car. i speed up a bit and he was still there, so i speed up to 150 ish and he is still there with his lights going this time lol. i pulled over at the end of the motorway, got out of the car thinking FUCK!! so he has a go at me for speeding and i told him what i thought of him, then he just let me go with no ticket. WTF??

[Spearfish]

They have to put the resources where the crime is though. Catching the odd pub selling to (mildly) underage girls is pretty insignificant, compared to how many manukau residents will kill their babies this christmas.

Yeah your right but the rats are leaving the area to invade others and those other areas are struggling with the migration.
Cops will never stop baby murderers though they only get to those jobs after the fact.

[miloking]

They have to put the resources where the crime is though. Catching the odd pub selling to (mildly) underage girls is pretty insignificant, compared to how many manukau residents will kill their babies this christmas.

I can solve all the manukau baby problems with this single educational image....

[Buyasta]

I can solve all the manukau baby problems with this single educational image....

But... but... how is your kid going to be all ripped if you don't get them started benchpressing early?

Besides, everyone knows you have to get in as many experiences of beating your child at games while they're still young, in order to have many fond memories to look back on once they start kicking your ass at everything, thusly removing your will to live, so clearly prohibiting playing chess with your child is detrimental to the future emotional wellbeing of parents.

[Smifffy]

Besides, everyone knows you have to get in as many experiences of beating your child at games while they're still young, in order to have many fond memories to look back on once they start kicking your ass at everything, thusly removing your will to live, so clearly prohibiting playing chess with your child is detrimental to the future emotional wellbeing of parents.

How many Manukau baby beaters have even heard of chess, much less know how to play it, or even own a set?

Even if they stole a set from a Mt Eden yuppie it's probably been sold for dope.

Yes, pawned if you will.

[MarkH]

GPS readings are pretty accurate but, and its a big but... (hey my butts not that big) they only get an update from the SatNAV every 3 seconds, so your GPS could be reading 98.5 kph but you could have crept up to 101 or more before you get the next update ... so you should use it inconjunction with your speedo which will show your speed increase instanly

Yep, the GPS is VERY accurate while maintaining constant speed and not changing altitude - great for working out what the accuracy of the speedo is. Not so hot during changes in speed.

[MSTRS]

Or they could have been using the old 'staggered' technique for safer riding in a group?
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