VIOLENT NEW ZEALAND FEED UP !!

[Quasievil]

What is it with this country and the absolute belief by young men in particular that violence is OK ?
thursday night in our family means a walk up the road to Chartwell Square for a spot of shopping and a meal of takeaways, we enjoy this, why do we go out aprehensive about our safety ? New Zealands a safe country isnt it ? A safe country my arse!
We go to the shops and there are kids everywhere smoking swearing, skidding in their cars being generally a bunch fuckwits while families try and hold together a focus of fun for their kids, why the fuck is it this way ?

Tonight we went to drop of some movies walked past BK to find a car parked up on the footpath, directly infront of us (nowhere for us to go) kids all around us, these DOGS pulled a young guy out of a car and took turns bashing the living shit out of him, right infront of my wife and kid !! there would have been about 20-30 kids of ages between 10 and 18 what the fuck ! we had to witness this while this pack of DOGS went to work on this kid.
I did not know what the hell to do , I yelled out "the cops are on the way" , and just watched until they dispearsed a bit then I went up to the kid in the car with the security lady to back her up a bit.
(what was I supposed to do give them more meat)
So whats with this ? what the hell is going on ? this kid had blood all over his face blood along the side of the car and the Gang of DOGS thought it was awesome, the best thing ever !

Ive personally had a gutsful of the mentality of this country when it comes to violence not to mention booze.

Tonight I blame the complete lack of BALLS from the police to patrol this area on late night shopping and move groups of these DOGS along, I have never seen a cop walking the beat around here ever, tomorrow I will be making an offical complaint ( if I can)to get this shit soughted out (yeah right).

[Two Smoker]

That attitude fucks me off the most!!! "Im so tough, i can smash you.... hahaha i smashed you, im so tough" To bad yourve got 4 fifths of fuckall for a brain...

Ill happily walk around with a baseball bat and you Brett... Have some decent Justice... But nup, that would be sinking to their level... how about we pretend to be car window washers, but accidently replace the detergent with sulfuric acid???

[DingDong]

Move to Tauranga, it's a nice place.

I dont think the cops will do any good, the kids will just move on to another area, next time grab the camera to/for:
1 evidence
2 to amuse us at KiwiBiker :Punk:

seriously, no one wants their kids exposed to such a thing

[Quasievil]

Move to Tauranga, it's a nice place.

I thought they had similair issues by the railway in town.
As far as I am concerned its New Zealand wide, everywhere !
Its in our culture and is inbreed into our kids, and I dont give a fuck about what flack i get for what I am about to say, all the kids in this attack tonight were maori the victim was white,thats a factual statement not a racial slur, whats the message there ?

I have felt safer walking at night in the streets of Nicaragua than I do here in New Zealand. Now thats saying something

[James Deuce]

It goes hand in hand with a whole bunch of black and white attitudes (not racial ones) about what makes a "bloke". NZ has always been absolutist in how a "bloke" should be percieved and what makes for acceptable behaviour.

Good on you for getting pissed off about their behaviour, and doing what you could to help.

[Paul in NZ]

Angry teenagers fed on a diet of gangsta rap and dreams of the rich life but no idea how to get it or how to behave if they did.

Bored shitlees with easy access to drugs and alcohol.... Rebels without a thought.

But I'm with you! I'm moving to an island with a race track and a bike repair shop and an endless supply of gas.

[scumdog]

Come down here, there are 3 bad bastards and we know them all and where they live.

One day shit like that may happen here but not yet and I feel sorry for towns that have to put up with fuckwit criminal leeches that bleed off society and do fuck-all to contribute, in any other natural animal organisation they would ostracised - if not killed outright as rogues. :mad:

Hell, my deceased father-in-laws home made elderberry wine I'm drinking gives me a lucidity I never knew before!! :wait:

[Eyetie]

Its okay Bret the government is about to pass the no smacking laws to show us all that any form of physical punishment is too much.
Obviously if these boys got sent to there room for some time out when they got home it would work a treat!!!!

[MadDuck]

It is everywhere and a major shit off that families cant enjoy a night out shopping and relaxing.

Saturday night just gone there was a party over the road from me. Noisy drunk teenagers which didnt bother me cos its kinda a rare occurance. BUT when I heard the sound of drunken youths and bottles smashing at the bottom of my driveway I saw RED.

Got my big spotty out (my night diving torch it kicks arse) and stood at the top of the driveway and told the little shits to get the hell off my driveway with their damn bottles. I just stood there with the torch and they soon got annoyed enuff to bugger off. Thats after they called me a "CRAZY LADY"

Now who the hell told them I was a lady dammit :weird:

[Toast]

What is it with this country and the absolute belief by young men in particular that violence is OK ?
thursday night in our family means a walk up the road to Chartwell Square for a spot of shopping and a meal of takeaways, we enjoy this, why do we go out aprehensive about our safety ? New Zealands a safe country isnt it ? A safe country my arse!
We go to the shops and there are kids everywhere smoking swearing, skidding in their cars being generally a bunch fuckwits while families try and hold together a focus of fun for their kids, why the fuck is it this way ?

Tonight we went to drop of some movies walked past BK to find a car parked up on the footpath, directly infront of us (nowhere for us to go) kids all around us, these DOGS pulled a young guy out of a car and took turns bashing the living shit out of him, right infront of my wife and kid !! there would have been about 20-30 kids of ages between 10 and 18 what the fuck ! we had to witness this while this pack of DOGS went to work on this kid.
I did not know what the hell to do , I yelled out "the cops are on the way" , and just watched until they dispearsed a bit then I went up to the kid in the car with the security lady to back her up a bit.
(what was I supposed to do give them more meat)
So whats with this ? what the hell is going on ? this kid had blood all over his face blood along the side of the car and the Gang of DOGS thought it was awesome, the best thing ever !

Ive personally had a gutsful of the mentality of this country when it comes to violence not to mention booze.

Tonight I blame the complete lack of BALLS from the police to patrol this area on late night shopping and move groups of these DOGS along, I have never seen a cop walking the beat around here ever, tomorrow I will be making an offical complaint ( if I can)to get this shit soughted out (yeah right).

Fark Quasi, this sounds bloody terrible. You did it all right though I think mate, good call on 'cops are coming' thing.

I personally hate these pricks who think that physical violence is something that shows the measure of a person...even more so ones that things fucking someone up with a dozen of your mates there for the party is something that makes them hard. What to do though? Start your own gang and dish out justice in a fair fight? If the cops don't take control of it, it's hard to say.

[WINJA]

AT LEAST YOU DID SOMETHING , ID DO SOMETHING IF I WAS BY MYSELF BUT IF MY MISSES IS WITH ME SHES MY PRIORITY AND I WOULDNT HELP IF THERES EVEN A SMALL CHANCE SHE BE IN DANGER, LAST TIME I SAW THIS KIND OF THING WAS IN QUEEN ST AUCK SOME HOMMYS WERE SMASHING PEOPLE RANDOMLY BUT NOT ME , THEY THEN ATTACKED SOME 12 YO KID AND HE WAS TRYING TO RUN I SAID COME HERE AND HE STOOD BEHIND ME AND I STOPPED THESE GUYS BUT I REALLY THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO GET A REAL HIDING AND I MEAN HIDING IT WOULD BE 5 ON 1 AND I CAN FIGHT OK 5 YEARS BOXING ETC BUT I KNOW ID BE FUCKED , THEN OUTA NOWHERE SOME BIG AS, FACE TATTOED GUY STOOD BESIDE ME AND SAYS YOU GUYS ARE ALL FUCKED WHOS FIRST AND THEY RAN , WHEW

[Zed]

What is it with this country and the absolute belief by young men in particular that violence is OK ?
thursday night in our family means a walk up the road to Chartwell Square for a spot of shopping and a meal of takeaways, we enjoy this, why do we go out aprehensive about our safety ? New Zealands a safe country isnt it ? A safe country my arse!
We go to the shops and there are kids everywhere smoking swearing, skidding in their cars being generally a bunch fuckwits while families try and hold together a focus of fun for their kids, why the fuck is it this way ?

Tonight we went to drop of some movies walked past BK to find a car parked up on the footpath, directly infront of us (nowhere for us to go) kids all around us, these DOGS pulled a young guy out of a car and took turns bashing the living shit out of him, right infront of my wife and kid !! there would have been about 20-30 kids of ages between 10 and 18 what the fuck ! we had to witness this while this pack of DOGS went to work on this kid.
I did not know what the hell to do , I yelled out "the cops are on the way" , and just watched until they dispearsed a bit then I went up to the kid in the car with the security lady to back her up a bit.
(what was I supposed to do give them more meat)
So whats with this ? what the hell is going on ? this kid had blood all over his face blood along the side of the car and the Gang of DOGS thought it was awesome, the best thing ever !

Ive personally had a gutsful of the mentality of this country when it comes to violence not to mention booze.

Tonight I blame the complete lack of BALLS from the police to patrol this area on late night shopping and move groups of these DOGS along, I have never seen a cop walking the beat around here ever, tomorrow I will be making an offical complaint ( if I can)to get this shit soughted out (yeah right).So that's why they call it Hamihole?

Seriously though, it happens in most places Bret, and now you and your young family have witnessed it in your part of the world, sorry it happened. :no:

Real violence is never a pretty picture, but the fakiest of fakers *Hollywood* portrays it as a positive attribute which 'programmes' the youth (and adults alike) of today resulting in a violent society. I often chuckle when I see these fist-fight scenes on the movies, knowing all too well that even one good punch can end it, yet these guys are punching eachother 10, 15 , 20 times! :bash:

Good on you for aiding the security officer Quasi.

[Big Dave]

Move to Tauranga, it's a nice place.

i believe it is. i also know the area commander reasonably well and what his attitude to youths harassing the general public is. you wouldn't describe it as lenient.

but it's not so long ago that there was a riot at the mount every new year's either is it?

quasi - just be thankful we don't live in cabramatta, st kilda, kings cross or the auckland bronx, man.

I had a great experience when i lived in toronto - between Sydney and newcastle nsw . a former mining town on the fringes. Hamilton by the sea if ever....

There was nothing much for the local youths to do except get into trouble most weeknights. I was running the local YMCA basketball club, started it so i wouldn't have to drive my kids 64km for a game, but that's another story - i used to let the 'local youth' in to use the facilities and just hang out after the younger kids finished playing.

we had these games of 'tackle' basketball, if they had a problem it was sorted in the square circle. One of the young blokes turned into current Kangaroo footballer Willy Mason and his big brother Les used to frequent too.
We turned quite a few kids around. Willy thanked me personally - and the other blokes at the Y when he was selected for Aus.

We even got some of the real angry aboriginal kids to come and do some sport and play by the rules. hadn't some of them had tough lots.

Make your complaint, deserves it - my long winded point is there are proactive things in the community you can do about it too.

[SkOrM]

I get the same kind of bullshit at school same attitude .
theres all ways a group of about 20 kids all third form
that go around and TRY to imtimidat others .
one day they they decided to throw apples at one of my friends
they got him in the side of the head he got up wiped off all the
apple himself walked up to the guy who threw it
grabed the guy by the front of his collar and lifted him in to the air
(by this time the other 19 had ran away)
the guy was appoligising 5 times after the fith my friend let him go

after that day the 20 kids never even look at my friend or me
i suppose they got the message

[NordieBoy]

Hell, my deceased father-in-laws home made elderberry wine I'm drinking gives me a lucidity I never knew before!! :wait:

Hell Scummy, the syllable count in there just about used up your years allowance!

You'll only be able to grunt from now on.

:D

[Waylander]

It's not just at night. About a month ago I was going into the IRD office to get my number at about 3.00pm and these kids started fighting in the parking lot across the street. I stood there on the walkway and pulled out my phone and acted like I was calling 111. One of the guys saw me then they all scatterd. Just a bunch of fuckoffs with no asperations for shit. They'll live out thier lives mooching of the system if they can. My usuall attitude it let the basterd deal with themselves, nature will take it's course. Problem is when others get hurt.

[Zed]

...in any other natural animal organisation they would ostracised - if not killed outright as rogues. :mad: Once upon a time in civilisation they would have been! :yes:

I think the mentality nowadays for why they are not killed as rogues is that we are not animals! Another blow against the *theory* of evolution. :bleh:

[justsomeguy]

Can't believe this shit........ been here nearly 9 years now and earlier such things were never heard of. Now it's common place.........

But I still reckon NZ is one of the nicest places..... don't mess with others, stay away from certain hot spots/suburbs at night, run away instead of confronting idiots and you'll be fine 9 times out of 10.

[James Deuce]

Can't believe this shit........ been here nearly 9 years now and earlier such things were never heard of. Now it's common place.........

But I still reckon NZ is one of the nicest places..... don't mess with others, stay away from certain hot spots/suburbs at night, run away instead of confronting idiots and you'll be fine 9 times out of 10.

The Run Away bit is bloody good advice.

[Skunk]

The Run Away bit is bloody good advice.I'm good at running... must be something to do with my build. :weird:

[Teflon]

I think we have it good.

Just have to look at Australia with there Asian and Lebanese gang problems. Street fights over there are with machetes, knifes, guns etc.

[Two Smoker]

I think we have it good.

Just have to look at Australia with there Asian and Lebanese gang problems. Street fights over there are with machetes, knifes, guns etc.

sounds like south auckland...

[Waylander]

Are citizens arests legal here?

[Teflon]

sounds like south auckland...

I was living in Australia for a while, all i saw on the news was gang warfare and killings, and victorian police shooting people.

[Ixion]

Are citizens arests legal here?

Um. Real legal minefield that. In theory, yes. Any citizen may arrest someone they catch in the act of commiting a felony. But in practice there are so many catches and fish-hooks, and the police disapprove of it so much (don't ask ME, I don't undertsnad it either), that the capability is pretty much useless.

[WINJA]

I was living in Australia for a while, all i saw on the news was gang warfare and killings, and victorian police shooting people.
I LIVED IN MELBOURNE DURING OPERATION BART AND THE SHOOTING OF THE DOWN SYNDROME KID WITH THE HAMMER AT THE ATM , MELBOURNE COPS ARE PIECES OF SHIT

[justsomeguy]

Are citizens arests legal here?

They may be......... but have you seen the size of these "citizens":whistle:

[justsomeguy]

I LIVED IN MELBOURNE DURING OPERATION BART AND THE SHOOTING OF THE DOWN SYNDROME KID WITH THE HAMMER AT THE ATM , MELBOURNE COPS ARE PIECES OF SHIT

I don't know how the f*ck cops manage to shoot people dead......

Anyone heard of anybody managing to threaten anyone after getting shot once or twice in the legs - below the knee???

COPs PLEASE ANSWER THIS........

[Indiana_Jones]

I hate fucking twats like that (like I hate head boys/girls and dux's) they don't need "to be talked to" (the leftie thing to do), They need the livin' shite kicked out of them. :mad:

-Indy

[Waylander]

They may be......... but have you seen the size of these "citizens":whistle:
Was thinking maybe us bikers do something about it. As in show up at a place that stuff like this happens alot an "detain" people until the cops show up.

[WINJA]

I don't know how the f*ck cops manage to shoot people dead......

Anyone heard of anybody managing to threaten anyone after getting shot once or twice in the legs - below the knee???

COPs PLEASE ANSWER THIS........
THIS OLD COP CALLED MOFFAT ANSWERED THIS HE SAID IF YOU MAKE A COP DRAW A GUN ITS YOUR PROBLEM YOUR BULLET AND THE EASYEST SHOT IS IN THE CHEST, SHOOTING SOMEONES LEGS ITS EASY TO MISS THEN YOU HAVE A STRAY BULLET , I HAD A SHOT OF HIS REVOLVER AND FUCK IT WAS EVEN HARD FOR ME TO GET THE TARGET LET ALONE THE CHEST OR STOMACH

[sAsLEX]

I don't know how the f*ck cops manage to shoot people dead......

Anyone heard of anybody managing to threaten anyone after getting shot once or twice in the legs - below the knee???

COPs PLEASE ANSWER THIS........

you dont shoot for the knees, you always aim centre of mass! smack in the middle of the chest/torso, the only time you pull a weapon is if you intend to use it and you shoot to kill, else you pull out an ASP batton or something and beat the bastards with one of them.

[SPORK]

AT LEAST YOU DID SOMETHING , ID DO SOMETHING IF I WAS BY MYSELF BUT IF MY MISSES IS WITH ME SHES MY PRIORITY AND I WOULDNT HELP IF THERES EVEN A SMALL CHANCE SHE BE IN DANGER, LAST TIME I SAW THIS KIND OF THING WAS IN QUEEN ST AUCK SOME HOMMYS WERE SMASHING PEOPLE RANDOMLY BUT NOT ME , THEY THEN ATTACKED SOME 12 YO KID AND HE WAS TRYING TO RUN I SAID COME HERE AND HE STOOD BEHIND ME AND I STOPPED THESE GUYS BUT I REALLY THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO GET A REAL HIDING AND I MEAN HIDING IT WOULD BE 5 ON 1 AND I CAN FIGHT OK 5 YEARS BOXING ETC BUT I KNOW ID BE FUCKED , THEN OUTA NOWHERE SOME BIG AS, FACE TATTOED GUY STOOD BESIDE ME AND SAYS YOU GUYS ARE ALL FUCKED WHOS FIRST AND THEY RAN , WHEW
Best story ever!

Good on ya Winja!

[scumdog]

I don't know how the f*ck cops manage to shoot people dead......

Anyone heard of anybody managing to threaten anyone after getting shot once or twice in the legs - below the knee???

COPs PLEASE ANSWER THIS........

O.K., generally a pistol with fixed factory sights has an effective range about the same distance as that which you could hit somebody by throwing the pistol at it. Combine that with twice a year practice for 90% of those using said pistol...

Have a go at paintball, try and hit somebodys legs at 15 metres while they are walking - one shot at a time. PM me if you need to know more.

[justsomeguy]

Combine that with twice a year practice for 90% of those using said pistol...

Have a go at paintball, try and hit somebodys legs at 15 metres while they are walking - one shot at a time. PM me if you need to know more.

Please don't tell me that you guys who we rely on for expert support in time of serious emergencies practice ONLY TWICE A YEAR.............:no:

And yeah - we guys were talking about that paintball thingee..... never done it before......

As for hitting someones legs yes I know it is difficult as you need to take into account wind deflection, possible target location after a given instant of time, your reaction time and any possible kickback effect/movement....... but isn't that why you fellas go to school??

Don't tell me it's that bloody hard.... and if it is you guys should be the guys who make it look easy.

[SPORK]

Oooh, here's my story!

Being a medium build 15 year old, I consider myself pretty fit. One day, I was at the park with my friend (17), my brother (17, weedy, had a broken arm at the time) and a female friend. We're all having a good time, when we see these 3 guys, with 2 of them wearing the same shirt. So of course we have a little chuckle to ourselves about it and continue on our merry way. Then they come over to where we are, and start trying to intimidate us. These kids were about 15, all 3 of them. All seemed to be pretty wannabe gangsters.

This one guy starts spouting all this "F**k the Police!" stuff to me, and I'm like "YAEH WHATEVER GO EET A FAT COCK" (not what I said). And we proceed to go somewhere else at the park. They follow us, and start making threatening gestures, asking us if we wanna crack. We assume they're joking (people threaten to beat me up all the time). So right when we're about to leave, they walk up and surround us (we're standing on a wooden platform thing). Keep in mind that it's 3 against 2 able-bodied people.

One of them tries to get lippy with my friend, and tries to have a go at him, so my friend hooks him across the face. At this point, my brother and female friend run away. But sadly me and my other friend are stuck with these 3 guys.

Me (the pacifist) just blocks as this FTP guy starts trying to punch me in the head. He connects with my nose, and then I go at him. I hooked him in the chin, then kicked him in the stomache, and jumped off the platform. My friend is fighting these 2 other guys, but he managed to stop them.

Then this guy jumps down after me, and picks up this baseball-sized rock. At this point he's saying how he's going to kill us, blah blah blah. I tell him he won (yeah right) and that he has nothing to prove. I start walking back towards the car. He follows. His friends are giving him "Your a dumb fucking truck" looks, as he goes on about how he has "FTP" tatooed across his chest (They're all lily white).

Things start getting serious again, with him brandishing a rock, and threatening to wreck my friend's car. At this stage, some spineless adults that we've asked to call the cops or anything are just driving off. But then my personal hero, This awesome Asian dude, tells them to piss off before he gets the cops on them. This dude is about 40, and then when the trash kids said "Go home to your own country" he yelled back, "I'm a fucking New Zealander!". They ran away prerty quick.

In the end, my lip was swollen, and my nose is slightly crooked. The moral of this story is that Asian dudes rule.

PS, I heard from someone else that was at the park that they were all smoking weed before we saw them.


No idea why I typed all this out. I guess I must be bored.

[Waylander]

O.K., generally a pistol with fixed factory sights has an effective range about the same distance as that which you could hit somebody by throwing the pistol at it. Combine that with twice a year practice for 90% of those using said pistol...

Have a go at paintball, try and hit somebodys legs at 15 metres while they are walking - one shot at a time. PM me if you need to know more.

Guns are way more accurate than Paintball man. Not even worth comparing. A paintball wont go straight in a room with no wind or air movemtn what so ever. The liquid inside moves to much. Bullets don't have that problem and are shaped to cut through the air. Shooting a pistol is nothing like shotting a paintball gun.

[Ixion]

Please don't tell me that you guys who we rely on for expert support in time of serious emergencies practice ONLY TWICE A YEAR.............:no:

And yeah - we guys were talking about that paintball thingee..... never done it before......

As for hitting someones legs yes I know it is difficult as you need to take into account wind deflection, possible target location after a given instant of time, your reaction time and any possible kickback effect/movement....... but isn't that why you fellas go to school??

Don't tell me it's that bloody hard.... and if it is you guys should be the guys who make it look easy.

Yeah, it is that bloody hard. Shooting people in the legs is TV stuff. Doesn't work that way in real world. If the situation's bad enough that a cop needs to shoot, he can't risk messing about trying to shoot someone in the legs. In NZ no-one's going to get shot unless they're doing something they definately ought not to be. And if they are and the cops have to shoot they''re going to go for the shot that will stop him for sure. Because they may not get time for a second shot.

Best marksman around can't rely on hitting in the leg.

[justsomeguy]

Understand.....

[scumdog]

Please don't tell me that you guys who we rely on for expert support in time of serious emergencies practice ONLY TWICE A YEAR.............:no:

And yeah - we guys were talking about that paintball thingee..... never done it before......

As for hitting someones legs yes I know it is difficult as you need to take into account wind deflection, possible target location after a given instant of time, your reaction time and any possible kickback effect/movement....... but isn't that why you fellas go to school??

Don't tell me it's that bloody hard.... and if it is you guys should be the guys who make it look easy.

Ok, I personally can pop a bullet in roughly the right direction (I can shoot fairly well but not blowing my own trumpet) but then I'm a 'gun' type person, imagine what it is like for cops that fine guns as natural as I find crochet!!!

There is SO many aspects of policing and firearms are only one - and you want us all to be marksmen??

[WINJA]

Please don't tell me that you guys who we rely on for expert support in time of serious emergencies practice ONLY TWICE A YEAR.............:no:

And yeah - we guys were talking about that paintball thingee..... never done it before......

As for hitting someones legs yes I know it is difficult as you need to take into account wind deflection, possible target location after a given instant of time, your reaction time and any possible kickback effect/movement....... but isn't that why you fellas go to school??

Don't tell me it's that bloody hard.... and if it is you guys should be the guys who make it look easy.
FUCK THAT IF SOME DUDE IS BRANDISHING A TYRE IRON , GOLF CLUB , SOFTBALL BAT AT ME AND I CAN SHOOT THEM DEAD FUCKEM , IF I WERE A COP I WOULDNT RISK MY SELF FOR $40,000 A YEAR , WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT 99% OF PEOPLE THAT GET SHOT BY THE PIGS DESERVE IT, AND WHAT ABOUT THE DICK WITH THE REPLICA GLOCK FUCK IF I WAS A COP I WOULDNT EVEN GIVE HIM A WARNING

[justsomeguy]

Ok, I personally can pop a bullet in roughly the right direction (I can shoot fairly well but not blowing my own trumpet) but then I'm a 'gun' type person, imagine what it is like for cops that fine guns as natural as I find crochet!!!

There is SO many aspects of policing and firearms are only one - and you want us all to be marksmen??

Oh well atleast most of you street cops are big scary fellas...... so hopefully that should solve 99% of the problems......

Anyway a lot of these things I guess comes down to your policing attitude.

Saw a 5ft6 60kg security guard hold down and fight off three 6ft plus 100kg idiots once...... later found out this chap was into jiujitsu.

No don;t expect you'll to be marksman...... I understand Ixion's and sAsLEX's points...... by the time it's reached a stage where you have to pull your guns out it's too late already.

[justsomeguy]

FUCK THAT IF SOME DUDE IS BRANDISHING A TYRE IRON , GOLF CLUB , SOFTBALL BAT AT ME AND I CAN SHOOT THEM DEAD FUCKEM , IF I WERE A COP I WOULDNT RISK MY SELF FOR $40,000 A YEAR , WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT 99% OF PEOPLE THAT GET SHOT BY THE PIGS DESERVE IT, AND WHAT ABOUT THE DICK WITH THE REPLICA GLOCK FUCK IF I WAS A COP I WOULDNT EVEN GIVE HIM A WARNING

OH MY GOD!!!! Did anybody get this - WINJA JUST POSTED IN SUPPORT OF "PIGS".

And Winja it's not too difficult to take a golf club, etc out of someone's hand.... will take 2 years of decent training and you should be able to do it 8 times out of 10 and in the remaining 2 times you should be able to improvise.

[Waylander]

OH MY GOD!!!! Did anybody get this - WINJA JUST POSTED IN SUPPORT OF "PIGS".

yea that should go in the famous quotes thread lol.

[WINJA]

OH MY GOD!!!! Did anybody get this - WINJA JUST POSTED IN SUPPORT OF "PIGS".

And Winja it's not too difficult to take a golf club, etc out of someone's hand.... will take 2 years of decent training and you should be able to do it 8 times out of 10 and in the remaining 2 times you should be able to improvise.
A COP IN MANGAKINO GOT KILLED BY AN UNARMED MAN , FUCK 8 OUT OF 10 .ITS A CASE OF LIFE OR DEATH FOR THE PIG IF A PSYCO GETS THE UPPER HAND I DONT WANT TO SUPPORT THE PIGS BUT IF IM IN THEIR SHOES ID SHOOT FUCKERS RATHER THAN TANGLE WITH THEM , ESPECIALLY IF THE PIG HAS A GUN IF HE LOSES CONTROL THEN THE PERP HAS A GUN , IM STILL THE SAME DONT WORRY FUCK THE PIGS ETC ETC

[Zed]

OH MY GOD!!!! Did anybody get this - WINJA JUST POSTED IN SUPPORT OF "PIGS".Hardly what I'd call "support"? As per usual Whingers post wreaked of rebellion against his authority, especially with the derogatory usage of the word PIG!

Mr W. may come across as rough & tough *online*, but in reality 'face to face' the guy would probably bow down to a policeman/woman if confronted by one! :yes:

[justsomeguy]

A COP IN MANGAKINO GOT KILLED BY AN UNARMED MAN , FUCK 8 OUT OF 10 .ITS A CASE OF LIFE OR DEATH FOR THE PIG IF A PSYCO GETS THE UPPER HAND I DONT WANT TO SUPPORT THE PIGS BUT IF IM IN THEIR SHOES ID SHOOT FUCKERS RATHER THAN TANGLE WITH THEM , ESPECIALLY IF THE PIG HAS A GUN IF HE LOSES CONTROL THEN THE PERP HAS A GUN , IM STILL THE SAME DONT WORRY FUCK THE PIGS ETC ETC

I understand, like I said before by the time a cop gets his gun out its too late.

I'm sure things normally get stopped before they reach this stage 99% of the time.......

I was wrong to make my initial comments, that statement was a bit too generalised for it to be accurate.

[spudchucka]

I don't know how the f*ck cops manage to shoot people dead......

Anyone heard of anybody managing to threaten anyone after getting shot once or twice in the legs - below the knee???

COPs PLEASE ANSWER THIS........
Aiming for legs is dangerous for anyone else that may be near by. If you miss the very small target, (a shin) then the round could go anywhere, potentially doing serious harm to an innocent party.

Anyone that has fired a hand gun could tell you that shooting a person in the leg is a ridiculas notion. Anyone that says they could do this with any accuracy or consistency is a complete bullshit artist.

The only option is to aim at the big bit.

[spudchucka]

Was thinking maybe us bikers do something about it. As in show up at a place that stuff like this happens alot an "detain" people until the cops show up.
Section 48 of the Crimes Act 1961 gives anybody the right to use reasonable force to defend themselves or another person from physical harm inflicted by another person.


48.Self-defence and defence of another—

Every one is justified in using, in the defence of himself or another, such force as, in the circumstances as he believes them to be, it is reasonable to use.]

You just have to be aware that you put yourself in danger and that you are still criminally liable for any excessive force.

[spudchucka]

Please don't tell me that you guys who we rely on for expert support in time of serious emergencies practice ONLY TWICE A YEAR.............:no:

And yeah - we guys were talking about that paintball thingee..... never done it before......

As for hitting someones legs yes I know it is difficult as you need to take into account wind deflection, possible target location after a given instant of time, your reaction time and any possible kickback effect/movement....... but isn't that why you fellas go to school??

Don't tell me it's that bloody hard.... and if it is you guys should be the guys who make it look easy.
You are dreaming or watching too much TV!



Or maybe just taking the piss?

[Waylander]

Section 48 of the Crimes Act 1961 gives anybody the right to use reasonable force to defend themselves or another person from physical harm inflicted by another person.



You just have to be aware that you put yourself in danger and that you are still criminally liable for any excessive force.

Have no intention of useing excessive force. I just figure that since the cops here don't really do anything about it they must be busy with other stuff...

[WINJA]

Hardly what I'd call "support"? As per usual Whingers post wreaked of rebellion against his authority, especially with the derogatory usage of the word PIG!

Mr W. may come across as rough & tough *online*, but in reality 'face to face' the guy would probably bow down to a policeman/woman if confronted by one! :yes:
IM THE MOST POLITE PERSON WHEN THINGS ARE GOING MY WAY .IVE HAD RUN INS WITH COPS AND WILL HAPILLY STAND UP TO THEM IF NEED BE , LAST TIME WAS A COP PARKED IN MY DRIVE IN AUCK AND I TOLD HIM TO FUCK OFF AND HE DID ,IVE NEVER THOUGHT OF MYSELF AS ROUGH AND TOUGH BUT IM NO PUSSY.
ZED YOUR A FAG HIDING BEHIND RELIGION , DIDNT YOU HEAR THE LATEST JESUS IS JUST A CARPENTER THAT TALKED TO MUCH

[James Deuce]

Aiming for legs is dangerous for anyone else that may be near by. If you miss the very small target, (a shin) then the round could go anywhere, potentially doing serious harm to an innocent party.

Anyone that has fired a hand gun could tell you that shooting a person in the leg is a ridiculas notion. Anyone that says they could do this with any accuracy or consistency is a complete bullshit artist.

The only option is to aim at the big bit.

Having played with Browning 9mms, Glock 17s, and .38 Webley revolvers as my Wednesday afternoon PT when I worked for the Army, it took me 6 months of Wednesdays to get a 6 inch group at 12 metres with the Glock. The other two I'd be lucky to get half my allotted rounds on target. I started at 5m, 7m, 12m, and then 18m. I'm terrible with weapons, but handguns are great for shooting people at point blank range and not much else. If you aren't well trained and trying to shoot someone running toward you, a baseball bat or a rock is a much better option.

[justsomeguy]

You are dreaming or watching too much TV!



Or maybe just taking the piss?

......hmmmmm read an article sometime back...... about what it takes to become a sniper......

Have somewhat of an idea..........

So to answer your question....... a bit of both......

It's nice to see how any coppa related thread - just takes off on KB:Punk:

[justsomeguy]

If you aren't well trained and trying to shoot someone running toward you, a baseball bat or a rock is a much better option.

Don't they carry spicy deodorant...... what sort of a range does that stuff have??

[spudchucka]

......hmmmmm read an article sometime back...... about what it takes to become a sniper......

Have somewhat of an idea..........

So to answer your question....... a bit of both......

It's nice to see how any coppa related thread - just takes off on KB:Punk:
How many snipers use Glock 17 pistols?

Standard issue firearms are Glocks and bolt action Remmington model 7's, (no scopes). They are getting new rifles soon however, which is a very good move.

By the way I am quite competant with a Glock, (won a prize for weapons training at cop college and have always scored perfect scores on requalification shoots) but would never consider for a moment trying to shoot an offender in the leg.

[idb]

You are dreaming or watching too much TV!



Or maybe just taking the piss?
And I thought Dirty Harry was based on a true story...
"I know what you're thinking....you know, in all this excitement I've plum forgot myself.... but the question you've got ask yourself....well do ya - punk!?"
And then he shot him right between the eyes when he had the helpless chick held right in front of him - with a .44 magnum!
Man those American cops can shoot! Quite obviously youse guys need to get .44 magnums.

[spudchucka]

Don't they carry spicy deodorant...... what sort of a range does that stuff have??
Between one and three metres.

[justsomeguy]

but would never consider for a moment trying to shoot an offender in the leg.

Good man - either hit him with the Aussie busses you drive or get your mates to give him a good hiding.

[spudchucka]

Quite obviously youse guys need to get .44 magnums.
Yes please, won't make us shoot any better but definately says "Fuck Off" in a way that any dickhead could understand.

[justsomeguy]

Between one and three metres.

And how good does it work against someone who's got a bit of PCP, etc in their blood??

[Big Dave]

Having played with Browning 9mms, Glock 17s, and .38 Webley revolvers as my Wednesday afternoon PT when I worked for the Army, it took me 6 months of Wednesdays to get a 6 inch group at 12 metres with the Glock. The other two I'd be lucky to get half my allotted rounds on target. I started at 5m, 7m, 12m, and then 18m. I'm terrible with weapons, but handguns are great for shooting people at point blank range and not much else. If you aren't well trained and trying to shoot someone running toward you, a baseball bat or a rock is a much better option.


I rest much easier now knowing why all 8 billion rounds that have been fired at Arnie, Bruce Willis and Mel Gibson have all missed.

[spudchucka]

And how good does it work against someone who's got a bit of PCP, etc in their blood??
You can never tell. Some people drop like a sack of shit while others will just glare back at you and get even angrier. I've only ever come across a few people that it has had no effect at all on though. You can't really tell if it just hasn't worked on them or if they are just so whacked out or highly motivated that they can tolerate the pain.

[Brian d marge]

Now I dont care whos running the show over there

, It seems to me that if a blind lemon got it , the powers that actually run the show would have their way ...I mean labour ..For the working man ,,and user pays..... a new right policy ..dont seem right ,,,( Paying for education the very thing that will help the Stupids...that policy came from Retards,,,,,Allan Gibbs are u listening )
anyhow , see the tough stance ( the other threads on the new driving rules ) ..Well This violent culture NEEDS to change. Period
How
From you and me. Socially exclude ( dont tolerate any reference to ) Violence from your social circle ie the ones closest to you ..you can do it jokingly, No one can change the world , but we can influence the people around us.
See how the attitude to drinking and driving has changed ,,, ( Teenaged pregnancy in holland is one of the lowest , in one of the most liberated countrys why , cos its not socially tolerated.)
Now NZ has Rgby rcing n beer, AND a large underclass of disinfranched (sP) THAT was caused by successive governments( and the ravings of Gibbs and co..Mr Kerr and the other back door boys ( yes they help each othe (http://www.posc.canterbury.ac.nz/documents/goldfinch_oldboys.pdf)r ),( oh no not another bleeding heart ,,no !) But, if you grow in an enviroment that has role models such as Jake the Mus and Johna lomu ( why is he a good rugby player is it the deft little side step , or the way he powers through the back line ) and you see what other have and you want and you lack the social skills ,,,well its a recipee for disaster ( see the phillips curve its linked alright )
Well if those are you role models And you parents dont know any better..... the chance of you swanning around polite society are slim ... UNLESS you get shown a better way ,,,
Now working at Tegal chicken isnt going to get you a Mercedes benz , BUT selling drugs will ...Getting complicated isnt it ..,,
So how are we going to change this ...
First influence you immeadiate social circle , by not tolerating this violent crap
Second, Go ( as in GO ) to your local MP and say do something or I wont vote for you ( letters to Parliment are free)
Third as was said be proactive ( on the other thread The police in scotland were taking bike thieves to the track and letting them race and learn ie giving them a chance , otherwise they just went out again stole a bike and carried on as before ..( I would like to see the out come of that one ,,,I would be behind that..ie offer my assistance if it happened in NZ )

Finally. as I said in another thread .... 1st offence 2 choices , learn or dont learn . Second offence ...Hit em F$$%&%&''( hard, not with a fine , but hard Labour ,,,Basic training Army.. ( supported as some borstals caused more probs than they solved )
Third
Hell has no fury see this man (http://www.mcso.org/submenu.asp?file=aboutsheriff&page=1)
( a tent in the desert and nought else .... )
So strike one you have the chance to learn , Strike two YOUR In deep deep doo doo
Strike three YOUR %&'()) ed
all the while social peer pressure is saying its not cool to behave this way

Wont change over night, but Im sure it would ...

I live in a society that the most violent thing I see around my nieghbor hood is a young lad on a scooter revving the tits of it at three in the morning ..( we also have yakusa but they stay umonst themselves and are busy making BIG money so its not a daily worry ...( they actually provide Very good service at the community fireworks display each year )

Gosh Ive rambled ..but I HATE the Violent culture ( Read CHCH on a friday /Sat nite ..and My child wont be subjected to it ..IF I can help it.....:nono:

and YES I have done something about it( Paid for my own airfare to go to the behive to lobby ministers ( had a free lunch at belamies!! well not quite free at the airfare cost me !!) ,,and will continue ...

Stephen

[Quasievil]

Thanks Brian for bringing the thread back to where it was supposed to be.

The last 3 pages can be regarded as fucken testosterone "who has the biggest cock" related Bullshit, and basically endorses my opinion about violent NZ, your all talking about guns and where to shoot people, fuck off and start your own thread if you want to talk shit

[curious george]

Why was the guy parked on the footpath in the first place?
U sure it wasn't a rabid pack of metermaids dishing out a few 'tickets'?

[curious george]

Ahhhhhhhh p/t.....in case somebody gets grumpy
Sorry, (a little bit)

I hope you say something to the cops Quasi, no need for that bullshit.

[Quasievil]

Today i spoke at length to Westfield shopping center management telling them of the situation and the fact that while serving the needs of the market they also serve the thirst for young trouble makers (DOGS) I gave them some options such as increasing security or closing the doors on thursday night (yeah right) but its amazing what a few signatures from local residents will do eh ? that got his attention, he will be discussing the issue with the police and the council and will come back to me next week.

I have also spoken to the police, they are sending the community constable to our house to talk to the young fella because he is now to scared to walk home from school. (top marks to the cops)
I will be talking to the cops who attended later on today when they come on to duty to find out if I can assist or if I can learn of some results.

Just an update for those interested.

All in All a bloody bad thing and Im still absolutely pissed off that these arsholes have affected my family.

[Toast]

But, if you grow in an enviroment that has role models such as Jake the Mus and Johna lomu ( why is he a good rugby player is it the deft little side step , or the way he powers through the back line ) and you see what other have and you want and you lack the social skills ,,,well its a recipee for disaster ( see the phillips curve its linked alright )

I agree with much of what you said in your post Stephen...

But really, I don't think Jake the Muss was ever intended to be or was actually portrayed as a role mode.

As for Jonah Lomu, he may be physical within the rules of the game on the field, but he's supposedly one of the nicest, most caring guys around. He does A LOT of community work, and on the field he hardly ever got fired up, never threw a punch and always played hard (ok he didn't always play hard, but he had a disease so I can forgive him for that) but fairly. Whether or not you meant it seriously, I think it's a bit unfair to drop his name in, in the context it appears.

[Drunken Monkey]

Guns are way more accurate than Paintball man. Not even worth comparing. A paintball wont go straight in a room with no wind or air movemtn what so ever. The liquid inside moves to much. Bullets don't have that problem and are shaped to cut through the air. Shooting a pistol is nothing like shotting a paintball gun.

That doesn't make pistols sniper tools. As our 2 steemed officers have mentioned, it's actually quite difficult, even in the confines of a pistol range with all the time you need and nobody threating you or shooting back. If I recall correctly, the old man said they had to hit a man sized target at 10m (or was it 15m) 4/7 times with their pistol in the HK police.
Try shooting someone who's moving erratically atfer sprinting after them for 2 minutes while pumped on adrenaline. Not easy.
Same holds true even with rifles. While I'm no sharp shooter, I can pop off pine cones at 100m without any trouble - that's lying down, and pine cones don't shoot back. My flatmate's army training was shooting half the distance, but from three different positions (prone, kneeling and standing) _after_ running around with packs on. It's actually quite difficult from a standing position, and once again, carboard targets don't shoot back.

[Toast]

All in All a bloody bad thing and Im still absolutely pissed off that these arsholes have affected my family.

Yeah, that truly sucks Quasi. Really sorry to hear that the young fella has been so (understandably) affected by it. I can't imagine how the copper's words are going to give him back his confidence, but he's got some special skills if he can, and good on him for doing what he can with the situation as it now stands.

[Zed]

ZED YOUR A FAG HIDING BEHIND RELIGION , DIDNT YOU HEAR THE LATEST JESUS IS JUST A CARPENTER THAT TALKED TO MUCHIf there's anyone who's "hiding" it's you Whinger! Hiding from the reality that one day you'll meet your Maker and be found guilty and most ashamed for living such a rebellious life! :no:

You are a lost soul so it's no use me telling you to GET LOST cos you already are! :thud:

[Coyote]

That attitude fucks me off the most!!! "Im so tough, i can smash you.... hahaha i smashed you, im so tough" To bad yourve got 4 fifths of fuckall for a brain...

Ill happily walk around with a baseball bat and you Brett... Have some decent Justice... But nup, that would be sinking to their level... how about we pretend to be car window washers, but accidently replace the detergent with sulfuric acid???
The lot of you are lucky that you've grown up and don't have to go to school with some of these losers. Their attitude pisses me off as well. They think they're so cool wearing their hoodies, smoking and saying how much ass* they've pounded, and the problem is everyone else thinks they're cool too. The media isn't helping matters with Rap 'artists' being portayed as cool instead of the criminals they are. Nor the fact that most of the girls our age are in the bad boy phase, which just reinforces some of these 'gangstas' to keep on being dickheads cause they get all this attention.

I'm a fucking biker! You can't get much cooler than that, but since I don't say 'chea', 'bro' or any of that shit, I'm their target of abuse. I almost got into a knife fight in metalwork last year but I managed to get away from it by giving up. Sure, I was a 'pussy' for doing so, but at least I didn't get stabbed and killed or convicted of murdering the other guy.

And as much as I would love going around with a baseball bat as well and go 'hit 'em up', it is just sinking to their level and it isn't worth it.

Although I win in the end. I get to slowly watch them become poorer, have their minds destroyed by the drugs, and the girls get out of the bad boy phase and turn away from them. Ah, sweet irony.

*Sorry Hitcher

[Fart]

What is it with this country and the absolute belief by young men in particular that violence is OK ?
thursday night in our family means a walk up the road to Chartwell Square for a spot of shopping and a meal of takeaways, we enjoy this, why do we go out aprehensive about our safety ? New Zealands a safe country isnt it ? A safe country my arse!
We go to the shops and there are kids everywhere smoking swearing, skidding in their cars being generally a bunch fuckwits while families try and hold together a focus of fun for their kids, why the fuck is it this way ?

Tonight we went to drop of some movies walked past BK to find a car parked up on the footpath, directly infront of us (nowhere for us to go) kids all around us, these DOGS pulled a young guy out of a car and took turns bashing the living shit out of him, right infront of my wife and kid !! there would have been about 20-30 kids of ages between 10 and 18 what the fuck ! we had to witness this while this pack of DOGS went to work on this kid.
I did not know what the hell to do , I yelled out "the cops are on the way" , and just watched until they dispearsed a bit then I went up to the kid in the car with the security lady to back her up a bit.
(what was I supposed to do give them more meat)
So whats with this ? what the hell is going on ? this kid had blood all over his face blood along the side of the car and the Gang of DOGS thought it was awesome, the best thing ever !

Ive personally had a gutsful of the mentality of this country when it comes to violence not to mention booze.

Tonight I blame the complete lack of BALLS from the police to patrol this area on late night shopping and move groups of these DOGS along, I have never seen a cop walking the beat around here ever, tomorrow I will be making an offical complaint ( if I can)to get this shit soughted out (yeah right).


I am fortunate enough to have travelled to a number of countries around the world, but NZ is one of the worst places for a developed nation when it comes to public behaviours especially on Friday and Sat nights down Queen St. No wonder there is a alcohol ban around the CBD.

If you were a tourist here for a holiday, what would your first impression be? Certainly NOT a friendly nation the advertising portraits. On a Friday and Sat night down Queen St is met by low lifes pissed as a fart hooning around abusing racial and sexual slants at everyone and anyone.

[mikey]

get your self a glock an shoot some mofos

(EDIT) I MEAN SPREAD THE LOVE

[Quasievil]

If there's anyone who's "hiding" it's you Whinger! Hiding from the reality that one day you'll meet your Maker and be found guilty and most ashamed for living such a rebellious life! :no:

You are a lost soul so it's no use me telling you to GET LOST cos you already are! :thud:

Dont take the bait Zed mate, let him be

[MrMelon]

blah blah

PS, I heard from someone else that was at the park that they were all smoking weed before we saw them.


It must have been the weed that set them off man! Nothing gets you angrier than having a toke!

[Lias]

Quasi, move to the west side of town.. That way yer not anywhere near fairfield, which is our own little Otara/South Central LA. Full of angry lil kids whos idols are their monkey mob and black power parents.

It's little out of control asshole homies that are one of the main reasons I almost never go drinking in town anymore (that and the smoking ban). I'm a big white guy with a shaved head and goatee, so i'm instantly a target for any of these little fucks that want a fight. When I was younger I was more than happy to take them up on that, but I'm 27 now and beating the crap out of little 18 year old wannabees is wearing thin, when all I wanna do is have a few drinks, listen to some sounds, and chat to my mates.

As for the racial aspect of it quasi, its just yet another part of our fucked up PC society.. If it was 30 white guys smashing a maori kid, there would be screams of outrage about this terrible hate crime, and a "anti racist" witchhunt of epic proportions, yet when its 30 maoris smashing over some white guy, its never a hate crime, its just "a crime", or more likely "an outpouring of the anger at being exploited by pakeha" or some such drivel.

I've decided they really need to make shooting homies legal. Like possum hunting, get a license, and go out and shoot some lil wannabe gangsters as a community service. Would sure as hell help make Hamilhole a nicer place to live in.

[Paul in NZ]

Well I thought about this thread a lot last night….

I think at some stage or other we have all been in Quasi’s situation where something is happening in front of us that is rapidly spiraling out of control and we suddenly realize that no matter how hard we have tried to live our own lives well… In some situations we are utterly powerless and that is what really hurts! Especially if you are aware of the possible implications when these unstructured event occur. A simple fall in a street fight can easily result in a death!

Another aspect that occurred to me is that we ALL have this demon lurking inside us. When motorcyclists gather in groups it can be very intimidating for some folks. If you are a part of the group, you can feel their ‘fear’ and it’s very easy to get a little giddy on it. Who here has not enjoyed tearing up the cagers while riding in a group? Oh the power, the sound, the glory…. Hmmmm! Even a hens night at a male strip revue has some ladies acting in a fashion that they would never consider when alone! We are I’m afraid, victims of our genes and a pack animal at heart! (something the military have exploited for some years)

The difference is that most of us are mature enough to control this dark side of our nature.

The problem is, that once we recognize this spiraling behavior in others we realize just how vulnerable we are to a group of ‘lesser’ people that are working as a group. Call it fear if you want to but (as that is what it is) but it’s a little more complicated that that!

But yes! I do believe that it is particularly bad in New Zealand. When we lived in Christchurch we just never went into town on Friday and Saturday evenings if we could possibly avoid it and it was as bad for the groups of 20 somethings as any other group!

But what is at the root of it all?

Yes, maybe the glorification of violence has some responsibility but more (I think) the removal of immediacy of consequences from our actions. If we get into trouble we squeal into our cellphone and visit A&E and it was someone elses fault etc etc. Bullshit! If you start a fight, even a simple pushing contest in a bar, there is a very high chance you will hurt someone. A wild drunken punch up can result in a murder or years of pain while the yobbo walks away. Etc etc (I’m sure you see where this is going)

It’s about time we all took this a little more seriously. Our sports stars cannot be allowed to get away with assault (like they have been) and the media needs to be very careful with the entertainment it provides and the news it reports. Violent acts are not self contained, the implications and ramifications echo through the years (example – we were burgled once and it took a year for one of the girls to sleep properly afterwards and we spend a lot on help for her!)

Where did this phrase, “I’ve paid my debt to society” come from? Society? Well actually your crime was against an individual mate and if they are still having problems you ain’t paid enough!

So… Good onya Brett, you have done a good thing and I admire you for taking some action! As for the rest of us? Can’t you see a discussion on shooting people in the legs is NOT helping?

I dunno…

This shit depresses the hell out of me. The more I see of people the more I like my dog!

[Biff]

I feel for you Quasi. One of the main reasons I left the UK was due to the increase in street violence there, particularly by young, deluded, misguided, slime balls.

The fact that you were with your wife and kids must have been very disturbing. Not only due tot he fact that you didn't want them to witness this type of thuggery, but also because you would have felt a powerful urge to defend them from possible attack by these scum.

I lived in, what was officially, a city with the highest rate of violent crime in the UK. The sights I've witnessed are pretty horrific, and I was a court witness following one such attack which saw the primary offender sent down for 3 years.

As horrifying as these attacks can be it is important to put things into perspective; NZ remains one of the safest countries in the world to live in, despite what many of us here may have witnessed, and I agree with Paul, IMO the gangster rap culture is a particularly bad influence on the younger generation (shit, I sound like an old man now) as is the relaxation on the censorship of violent films depicting violence as 'normal'.

[Drunken Monkey]

... (shit, I sound like an old man now) as is the relaxation on the censorship of violent films depicting violence as 'normal'.

Yes you do sound like an old man. Are you saying there was no such thing as teen violence before the advent of T.V. or films?

[justsomeguy]

I apologise for starting the shooting people in their legs debacle........ it was only meant to be an infomation gathering exercise not a provocative set of messages that glossed over the aftermath that such events create.

I hope that the boy manages to recover well and return to his daily schedules.

JSG

[Zed]

Dont take the bait Zed mate, let him beNah the guy's a loser and gets away with far too much on this site. It's a pity more of you senior members don't take his hide off more often...like he deserves. :mad:

[ManDownUnder]

Ive personally had a gutsful of the mentality of this country when it comes to violence not to mention booze.

Tonight I blame the complete lack of BALLS from the police to patrol this area on late night shopping and move groups of these DOGS along, I have never seen a cop walking the beat around here ever, tomorrow I will be making an offical complaint ( if I can)to get this shit soughted out (yeah right).

I agreed 100%. It's not good enough.

My take on it is that public are not ALLOWED to intervene anymore - we get done for assault etc etc etc. This means we need to wait for the police who (lets face it) can't be every where all the time.

Not knowing the area I can't comment on the cops avoiding that part of town - but I'll take your word on it.

Surely as a concerned citizen you could push for proceedings against the pack of dogs. I'd argue you have a legitimate concern for the safety of you and your famil as you frequent that part of town, and you also have a duty to stand to the defence of others similarly threatened.

Escalate it as high as you want - the Police Commissioner might get some time, or might get the hard word if (during election year) one of the opposition parties wanted to have a go about it in Parliament... this being election year.

Did you get a number plate and or description. Give it to Winnie the poo... he might even name a name on TV.

Dunno eh - I agree with the sentiment... the situation sucks. Wouldn't it be nice to spray the little buggers with mace and get the poor kid the hell out of there?

MDU

[Brian d marge]

I agree with much of what you said in your post Stephen...
, I think it's a bit unfair to drop his name in, in the context it appears.

Thats cool, I have NO iead about rugby and he is the only name I know , and The only reason I know his name is that a few years ago the TV kept on showing him powering through to score a goal, with three or four English players hanging off him ....They kept on showing it to say look how powerful this guy is ...

So forgive my Ignorance ..but apart from the canterbuery man who kicks all the goals and Lomu . oh and Umunga ( never seen him but I heard the name )

I dont know alot about that game

Stephen

[justsomeguy]

Nah the guy's a loser and gets away with far too much on this site. It's a pity more of you senior members don't take his hide off more often...like he deserves. :mad:

Oye!!! Leave my favourite Worthless Incompetent Neutered Jerk-off Arsehole alone will you. It's not his fault that he is a mentally retarded, incoherent, homosexual cripple........ he was born that way.

And doesn't he just add a bit of colour to the situation anyway.

You M are very much the bigger man. Please ignore the idiot.

[ManDownUnder]

Nah the guy's a loser and gets away with far too much on this site. It's a pity more of you senior members don't take his hide off more often...like he deserves. :mad:

Na mate - he get's what he deserves from me...

nothing

MDU

[justsomeguy]

Hey Quasi..... please don't call these people DOGS ....... maggots or germs is a better word..... Dogs are the nicest creatures.

I have great respect for your pro-active attitude and the fact that you are actually doing something about it as opposed to most of us.

It's a great effort, please keep it up.

[Toast]

Thats cool, I have NO iead about rugby and he is the only name I know , and The only reason I know his name is that a few years ago the TV kept on showing him powering through to score a goal, with three or four English players hanging off him ....They kept on showing it to say look how powerful this guy is ...

So forgive my Ignorance ..but apart from the canterbuery man who kicks all the goals and Lomu . oh and Umunga ( never seen him but I heard the name )

I dont know alot about that game

Stephen

Haha, fair enough, I can see why you brought his name in to it then...but now you know better...so it's all good.

Someone else mentioned the complete thuggery by some macho dickheads on the sportsfields of the world and how they need to be held accountable for what would be assault elsewhere. Such a thing is being looked at seriously in the UK after a whole lot of soccer fights, and in Aussie within the NRL I think. These such people are some of the fuckers who need to be held responsible for being poor role models to kids.

[mikey]

WINJA WINJA WINJA INJA WINJA WINJA WINJA WINJA INJA WINJA

[scumdog]

And I thought Dirty Harry was based on a true story...
"I know what you're thinking....you know, in all this excitement I've plum forgot myself.... but the question you've got ask yourself....well do ya - punk!?"
And then he shot him right between the eyes when he had the helpless chick held right in front of him - with a .44 magnum!
Man those American cops can shoot! Quite obviously youse guys need to get .44 magnums.

Oooh Yeah!! 44 Magnum!! Wouldn't make me shoot any better but the misses would be exciting!!
Imagine the damage I could do to a bystander with one of them!!

Seriously though, having used one I would say 'too much gun' for the average situation! (plus I reckon 17 shots in a mag is just enough, 6 shots in a revolver is 11 shots too few for me! :whistle:

[WINJA]

Oye!!! Leave my favourite Worthless Incompetent Neutered Jerk-off Arsehole alone will you. It's not his fault that he is a mentally retarded, incoherent, homosexual cripple........ he was born that way.

And doesn't he just add a bit of colour to the situation anyway.

You M are very much the bigger man. Please ignore the idiot.
IM GLAD YOU AND ZED HAVE YOUR OPINION , EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE INPUT ON THIS SITE CONSTRUCTIVE OR NOT

[Zed]

IM GLAD YOU AND ZED HAVE YOUR OPINION , EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE INPUT ON THIS SITE CONSTRUCTIVE OR NOTWhat sort of a reply was that? Seriousness does not become you Whinger! :wacko:

[Indiana_Jones]

The 1st image that pops into my mind of youngins' running from cops is Renton in trainspotting lol

"Lust for life!"

-Indy

[Biff]

Yes you do sound like an old man. Are you saying there was no such thing as teen violence before the advent of T.V. or films?

Errrr - not at all. But the facts are that violent crime has increased dramatically over the last 10-15 years globally, it's also a fact that most media formats appear to glorify violence and depict it as normal.

During my university years I worked as a doorman at a nightclub in the UK (strangely enough one of the reasons I was named Biff), and I remember very clearly when the number of pissed kids beating the shit out of one another increased dramatically. I also remember the increase in 'hoodies' hanging around outside the club in which I worked, selecting victims at random then beating the shit out of them 'for a laugh'. It may be purely coincidental that this all happened around the same time that 'gangsta rap' was introduced as the nightclubs 'themed' music, the same music listened to by the wasters outside. All you’d hear is "shoot da fkin police", “death to the west side m**fkers” etc blaring our of their 25" subs. Ok - I'm no sociologist or psychologist, and there may well be no direct correlation between gangster rap and violence, but there's no doubt in my mind, based upon the stats available, that the increase in violence, particularly by the younger generation, has grown significantly since the demise of censorship laws and life values.

Pure coincidence?

[Drunken Monkey]

...Such a thing is being looked at seriously in the UK after a whole lot of soccer fights, and in Aussie within the NRL I think. These such people are some of the fuckers who need to be held responsible for being poor role models to kids.

There's a good reason sporting associations have looked after their own, and that's the way it should stay. Quite frankly I find the idea of bringing every playing minor field scuffle into a court room ridiculous in it's entirety. A few handbags being thrown about on a footy field is far removed from street thugs gang beating a kid.

[Ixion]

Yes you do sound like an old man. Are you saying there was no such thing as teen violence before the advent of T.V. or films?

Well, when I was a teen, sure there was occasional violence (all those Christians vs Lions for one :weird: ), but 20 - 30 onto 1 ?

That's pretty cowardly. Don't think that would have happened. Tis the sort of violence that has changed, it's no longer a case of two blokes sorting it out with their fists, it's gotten real nasty. Degenerate is the word I'd use.

[Drunken Monkey]

...Pure coincidence?

No, your observations are accurate. However media merely influences the style, but the violence is inherent. The general perceived (or not) rise in violence is more to do with a remarkable reduction in violence post WWII. I can't remember the reference material, but it's some fascinating reading about violence in different societies over a much longer studied period of time.
Ultimately the past 10-15 years you mention are the only directly relevant times to us, but you only have to research pre 1940's newspaper articles to see how horribly common random street beatings were, even here in NZ (especially in early colonial times).


... Tis the sort of violence that has changed, it's no longer a case of two blokes sorting it out with their fists, it's gotten real nasty. Degenerate is the word I'd use.

In many cases these days, yes. However gang violence is not a new thing.

[Indiana_Jones]

I don't really see how one could blame TV. I mean teens should be able to tell the difference between fact and fiction.

-Indy

[ManDownUnder]

I don't really see how one could blame TV. I mean teens should be able to tell the difference between fact and fiction.

-Indy

Yes they can - sort of...

Desensitisation thorugh constant exposure to all manner of nasties means the perception of what they're doing gets altered.

Video games (with impressive realism) incenting people to shoot, run down, maim etc do affect people. Some more than others. Then combine that with someone of low self worth getting into a mob, not being able to stand up and form/hold an opinion of their own, being further desensitised by boose, in a gang/pack situation... ("I did'nt do it... we all did" = "I'm not responsible")

... yup behavious changes.

Do the lot of them. Those that were doing the hitting, and those egging them on.

While you're at it, make 'em pay. I say the punchment should fit the crime. so maybe the need to spend a few 100 hours of community service as part of their reparation... in the hospital cleaning up after patients with brain injuries. They could start with the bed pans...

[Toast]

There's a good reason sporting associations have looked after their own, and that's the way it should stay. Quite frankly I find the idea of bringing every playing minor field scuffle into a court room ridiculous in it's entirety. A few handbags being thrown about on a footy field is far removed from street thugs gang beating a kid.

I'm not saying every minor scuffle should be taken to court, but when you get dunb shits like John Hopoate sticking flying elbows in to people's heads, it's not acceptable behaviour in front of potentially as brainless, easily influenced kids with parents who have neither a clue nor give a shit (but let's not get in to the issue of parenting here). These guys have a responsibility to act right, because they are in the public spotlight, and they are role models, and more serious repercussions for being hot headed twats may help them realise this.

Although, admittedly, bringing a question of degree in to it (as I did above) just about destroys the viability of the idea.


Well, when I was a teen, sure there was occasional violence (all those Christians vs Lions for one :weird: ), but 20 - 30 onto 1 ?

That's pretty cowardly. Don't think that would have happened. Tis the sort of violence that has changed, it's no longer a case of two blokes sorting it out with their fists, it's gotten real nasty. Degenerate is the word I'd use.

Good point, kinda hard to walk away from it when you're encircled by them.

[N4CR]

If I had to do an NZ Hearald and blame something it would be 'that darn rap music and the maaaooorrriiiieeeeeeeesssss'. Gross generalisation time I think.

It seems there are *genuine* Hip hop/rap etc lovers and then there are the whole 'thuggz crew dark riders chrome 26" impalazz bitches and hoes' type scenes. Those 'scenes' seem to follow some of the idealogies of the music and subculture they surround themselves in, just to be 'in' or cool. It's cool to beat people up (sorta like stealing rep or something) and cool to be just like all the major artists that have a influence on their 'crew'.

Recently looking through my cousins latest 50cent album, (a rap 'artist' for the unintiated) all I observed was pictures of Mr 50c with guns, more guns, guns and women, guns CARS AND WOMEN AND DRUGS. Note the 'similarity' between how these 'crews' tend to operate and one of the idols, Mr 50c. Violence portrayed as cool - hmph. :no:

Anyway... i'll end the ranting.

I do think more police patrols and public (neighborhood watch type projects) operations could help this. Further education in school could benefit too. Sorry to hear that you (Quasi) got to see the grim reality of the bad sides of some of the screwed up sub cultures we seem to have in NZ. :mad:

[Biff]

The general perceived (or not) rise in violence is more to do with a remarkable reduction in violence post WWII. I can't remember the reference material, but it's some fascinating reading about violence in different societies over a much longer studied period of time.
Ultimately the past 10-15 years you mention are the only directly relevant times to us, but you only have to research pre 1940's newspaper articles to see how horribly common random street beatings were, even here in NZ (especially in early colonial times).

Mmmmm - interesting. :niceone:


I don't really see how one could blame TV. I mean teens should be able to tell the difference between fact and fiction.

-Indy

"Should?" - yeah. 'Do?' - I don't think it's a matter of knowing the difference, just the acclimatisation to violence, believing it's acceptable. Seeing it day in day out on TV or film will harden you up to violence. Especially the young and easily led.

I was only talking to a school teacher the other week, she said she was "horrified" by the increase in violence in the playground (5-10 year olds). She claimed it was due to the increase in violence in cartoons (Japanese mostly). In my day we had Scooby Doo, Dangermouse and Batfink. I'm a bit surprised we didn't all walk around thinking we were talking animals.

I'm not trying to be a misery guts and say this shit should be banned. I love action movies, especially gory ones, I love watching UFC and cage fighting. I also listen to Eminem and believe he's a very talented, if misunderstood, guy. But to say that it's now acceptable for a 12 year old to watch, what were, X rated films in my day is wrong. Bloody liberal namby pambies to thank for this I guess.

[Drunken Monkey]

Case(s) in point. Hopoate was banned for 12 weeks for those 'interference' incidents. NRL Players don't get paid match fees when they're banned. After his second inappropriate stunt early this year, he was sacked. Out of the game for good.
Message - act inappropriately, you will lose your quite considerable livelihood.
All handled by the League's own system.

And really, it's not like he beat other players so bad they ended up in the casualty ward covered head to toe in cuts & brusies. That's the kind of assaults courts deal with.

[ManDownUnder]

IM GLAD YOU AND ZED HAVE YOUR OPINION , EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE INPUT ON THIS SITE CONSTRUCTIVE OR NOT

I never thought I'd say this to you chap - nice one! :niceone:

MDU

[Ixion]

Not advocating anything here , or taking any position .
But--- when i was a wee lad, one night my father took me (and Mum) in the car and parked outside Mt Eden gaol. Just at twilight. Sat silently for a while. So I said " Dad, whats up" or some such.

He said , "See the gaol ?" . "Uh yeah" (Could hardly not see it , fearsome looking building to a young kid). "Well, tomorrow morning , before you're up , they're going to hang a man in there". Silence " Uh, why, what'd he do". "Killed another man. That's murder. So he'll hang". Lonnnnnng silence. Drive home (pretty silent). Next morning , got up "Uh Mum, you know that guy , the one last night, in the gaol, uh did they uh , um ". "Yes, he was hanged this morning. That's what happens when you kill someone".

Loonnnnnnnnnnnnnng silence.

Never fogotten that .

[Toast]

Case(s) in point. Hopoate was banned for 12 weeks for those 'interference' incidents. NRL Players don't get paid match fees when they're banned. After his second inappropriate stunt early this year, he was sacked. Out of the game for good.
Message - act inappropriately, you will lose your quite considerable livelihood.
All handled by the League's own system.

And really, it's not like he beat other players so bad they ended up in the casualty ward covered head to toe in cuts & brusies. That's the kind of assaults courts deal with.

The thing is, it's someone playing along by the rules of the game, and then someone else decides to take things in to their own hands, fuck what's just, and stick an elbow, first, etc. in to someone elses head. I think the guy in Finger F@#%r's case got away with a straight concussion, but there have been others, like this Ice Hockey player one time, who ended up with permanent short term memory failings and loss of some motor functions. That case would wind one up in court at least.

Again, the fact that they're doing these acts as respected people on national television is why they should have it extra hard in my view.

[Torque]

Pleased you managed to do somthing Quasi,not sure if my wife had been with me i would have done the same! I not sure what can be done about this shit.I am told it happens around that area quit allot. It happens in Raglan too. Just the other night a friend of mine was walking home and 6 young fucks just bashed him silly,he is a very big guy but they still got the better of him. I just think they watch far to much crap on TV and are not very well educated and i agree we need more police walking the beet instead of sitting in flash cars trying to catch speedsters.Shocking for the wife and kids. Hope the move goes well .

[Big Dave]

Errrr - not at all. But the facts are that violent crime has increased dramatically over the last 10-15 years globally, it's also a fact that most media formats appear to glorify violence and depict it as normal.


Some of the most highly paid creative writers and thinkers, the cream of the crop, wonderful, imaginative people, sit around and wrack their brains for scenarios for CSI pts 1,2,3...21, Crossing Jordan, special victims unit, law and order, and an endless line of other cop shows since Hill street blues spawned the genre of lifelike, intimate productions featuring the most grotesque and horrible acts imaginable - their cause and effect - and we package it up and show it to our youth every other prime time - as entertainment.

Nothing wrong with that?

[mikey]

VIGILANTE JUSTICE TIME.

should take the theme from swordfish an bash the little (well thats what they are referred to on the site, wonder if they are actually little?) fuckers so much that there100 times worse than what they bashed someone an then theyll be to scarred to bash anyone, even on P. \

an then well have huge vigilante bashings. lets go to a Vigilante state system. violence is the answer to violence.

mikey for president of USA.

oh no thats right i cant leave the country

[Coyote]

VIGILANTE JUSTICE TIME.

should take the theme from swordfish an bash the little (well thats what they are referred to on the site, wonder if they are actually little?) fuckers so much that there100 times worse than what they bashed someone an then theyll be to scarred to bash anyone, even on P. \

an then well have huge vigilante bashings. lets go to a Vigilante state system. violence is the answer to violence.

mikey for president of USA.

oh no thats right i cant leave the country
You've got my vote :niceone:

[geoffm]

How many snipers use Glock 17 pistols?

Standard issue firearms are Glocks and bolt action Remmington model 7's, (no scopes). They are getting new rifles soon however, which is a very good move.

By the way I am quite competant with a Glock, (won a prize for weapons training at cop college and have always scored perfect scores on requalification shoots) but would never consider for a moment trying to shoot an offender in the leg.

Shooting an offender in the leg is f'in stupid. It is a small, moving target, adn if you miss, or the bullet goes stright through, then Mrs Jones down the street could get a fatal surprise...
You are a better pistol shot than most of the cops who use the range I belong to for their qualification/ practice. We can always tell when the cops have been - there are more holes in the roof of the shelter.
G

[WINJA]

Not advocating anything here , or taking any position .
But--- when i was a wee lad, one night my father took me (and Mum) in the car and parked outside Mt Eden gaol. Just at twilight. Sat silently for a while. So I said " Dad, whats up" or some such.

He said , "See the gaol ?" . "Uh yeah" (Could hardly not see it , fearsome looking building to a young kid). "Well, tomorrow morning , before you're up , they're going to hang a man in there". Silence " Uh, why, what'd he do". "Killed another man. That's murder. So he'll hang". Lonnnnnng silence. Drive home (pretty silent). Next morning , got up "Uh Mum, you know that guy , the one last night, in the gaol, uh did they uh , um ". "Yes, he was hanged this morning. That's what happens when you kill someone".

Loonnnnnnnnnnnnnng silence.

Never fogotten that .
FUCK YOU MUST BE OLD

[Ixion]

FUCK YOU MUST BE OLD

Nah, I'm but a child. Must be Mrs Ixion is always telling me I'm well into my second childhood.

Mind you, she's always telling me I'm a silly old fool, also. But a while ago someone told me I was a bloody young idiot when I blatted Li'l Ratty around the rear of his cage at the servo.

So I'm really totally confused.

[at this point, Mrs Ixion, reading over my shoulder , instructs me to tell you that I'm all of the above , and a blatherskate to boot. Yes, dear]

[She has gone away now. I am glad that Mrs Iixion is a technophobe, so there is no risk of her hijacking my account in the fashion of Ms Chrissy-Bimbo or Ms Biff. I do not like to think of what the result might be if Mrs Ixion were let loose here]

[curious george]

O/T here but...

one day you'll meet your Maker and be found guilty and most ashamed for living such a rebellious life!
JC was a bit of an outspoken rebel in his day, wasn't he?
Didn't realise rebellion was such a crime :whistle:
Lol at Ixion!! BTW, how is that pronounced? Goal? like 'Jail' or 'yay! Goal for the blue team!'?

[Ixion]

O/T here but...

JC was a bit of an outspoken rebel in his day, wasn't he?
Didn't realise rebellion was such a crime :whistle:
Lol at Ixion!! BTW, how is that pronounced? Goal? like 'Jail' or 'yay! Goal for the blue team!'?

Aye, tis pronounced the same as "jail". Gaol is the English word, "jail" is american. Like ass and arse. Mr Hitcher is slipping, letting "jail" through.

[WINJA]

If there's anyone who's "hiding" it's you Whinger! Hiding from the reality that one day you'll meet your Maker and be found guilty and most ashamed for living such a rebellious life!
AS LONG AS REV CAPILL AND POPE JOHN PAUL CAN GET INTO HEAVEN IM QUITE CONFIDENT OF MY CHANCES, IF IM LUCKY ILL BE JUDGED AT THE SAME TIME AS YOUR PASTOR TAMAKI AT LEAST ID LOOK SQUAKY CLEAN STANDING NEXT TO THAT FUCKER

[Zed]

JC was a bit of an outspoken rebel in his day, wasn't he?Outspoken yes, rebel no! He always claimed his 'authority' was God, and he never rebelled against Him.


Didn't realise rebellion was such a crime Rebelling against the 'powers that be' has always been wrong George, whether that be the Police, your Employer, your parents, et al. :nono:

[Zed]

AS LONG AS REV CAPILL AND POPE JOHN PAUL CAN GET INTO HEAVEN IM QUITE CONFIDENT OF MY CHANCES, IF IM LUCKY ILL BE JUDGED AT THE SAME TIME AS YOUR PASTOR TAMAKI AT LEAST ID LOOK SQUAKY CLEAN STANDING NEXT TO THAT FUCKERYou're a fool to compare yourself to these guys Whinger, their sins are in a different league to yours! :oi-grr:

[WINJA]

You're a fool to compare yourself to these guys Whinger, their sins are in a different league to yours! :oi-grr:
THATS RIGHT AND ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE THEY ARE ASSURED A PLACE IN HEAVEN NEXT TO HITLER, SAD RELIGION ZED YOUR A FOOL TO BELIEVE GOD WORKS LIKE THAT

[Zed]

THATS RIGHT AND ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE THEY ARE ASSURED A PLACE IN HEAVEN NEXT TO HITLER, SAD RELIGION ZED YOUR A FOOL TO BELIEVE GOD WORKS LIKE THATYou've got both me and God's word wrong Whinger - I don't believe Hilter or the Pope are in Heaven above at all! And whether or not Capill and Tamaki are going is debateable. You on the other hand are definately gonna be with ya mates Hitler & John Paul unless you see the Light. :weird:

[WINJA]

You've got both me and God's word wrong Whinger - I don't believe Hilter or the Pope are in Heaven above at all! And whether or not Capill and Tamaki are going is debateable. You on the other hand are definately gonna be with ya mates Hitler & John Paul unless you see the Light. :weird:
BLAH BLAH BLAH ZED YOUR A SAD FUCK AND I GOT DRAWN INTO YOUR PLAN , SUCK MOMMAS COCK

[Zed]

BLAH BLAH BLAH ZED YOUR A SAD FUCK AND I GOT DRAWN INTO YOUR PLAN , SUCK MOMMAS COCKI'll get you every time I try Whinger! :killingme All you can do is curse.

[magnum]

lets get ready to rumblllllllllllllllle :rofl:

[curious george]

Rebelling against the 'powers that be' has always been wrong George, whether that be the Police, your Employer, your parents, et al. :nono:
I seem to remember pissing of the local Church big time.... and the Romns, (police), I guess his mum and dad must have been OK with it though...
Hang on, answer me this, Who was JC's dad? Not Jospeh, and JC and the Lord are one and the same, so who :scratch:
Nope, JC gave the big two fingers to the Man, and we all think differently of him now....

[Lou Girardin]

[QUOTE=Zed

Rebelling against the 'powers that be' has always been wrong George, whether that be the Police, your Employer, your parents, et al. :nono:[/QUOTE]

You have to be kidding.
You're saying that all the rebellions against oppression throughout history have been wrong? Even all the Biblical examples?
I thought there was a reason I rejected all forms of organised religion, it kills free thought.

[Toast]

You have to be kidding.
You're saying that all the rebellions against oppression throughout history have been wrong? Even all the Biblical examples?
I thought there was a reason I rejected all forms of organised religion, it kills free thought.

I was thinking along the same lines...but half way through forming a post gave up due to the re-realisation of what you said in the last line of your post. Let us just whistle to our own tune, even when they start shouting on Queen Street outside BK. :whistle:

[Quasievil]

Just in case anyone is interested in an update on this, I have recieved a lengthy letter fowm Westfield about what they intend to do about all of this and in summary they are increasin patrols outside the shopping centre to look for suspicious behaviour. Also the police have been in contact with me and this thursday they are having a bit of a show of force at Chartwell by increasing patrols and walking the beat.

For me Im happy with all of this and I give good credits to all the people involved, particulary the response from the police.
I have joined the community patrol programme which is run by the police and is basically a Eyes and Ears operation, you get a police radio, log in and out and report directly to coms any suspicious behaviour or issues, the police also utilise the patrol for eyes and ears work as well as stakeout scenarios at local trouble spots etc.
Im not a do gooder but I do like to do things when I get involved in scenarios and this is just an example, besides I have done alot of hours in a patrol car before and could certainly offer something.

[spudchucka]

I have joined the community patrol programme which is run by the police and is basically a Eyes and Ears operation, you get a police radio, log in and out and report directly to coms any suspicious behaviour or issues, the police also utilise the patrol for eyes and ears work as well as stakeout scenarios at local trouble spots etc.
Good on ya, every set of eyes out on the streets helps.

[750Y]

I blame the parents.

[justsomeguy]

Awesome work Big B..... and were you a cop before?? "lots of hours in a patrol car"????

[Big Dave]

Im not a do gooder but I do like to do things when I get involved in scenarios and this is just an example, besides I have done alot of hours in a patrol car before and could certainly offer something.

Well, that's probably more than i meant by 'do something proactive' - good on you.

[Lou Girardin]

Good on ya, every set of eyes out on the streets helps.

Yup, free the GD cops to write more tickets.

[Quasievil]

Yup, free the GD cops to write more tickets.

Well if the cops have left to do is write tickets that could be a good thing couldnt it ?

[Lou Girardin]

Well if the cops have left to do is write tickets that could be a good thing couldnt it ?

Absolutely, 10,000 of them with no crime to fight. All on traffic duty.

[Zed]

You have to be kidding.
You're saying that all the rebellions against oppression throughout history have been wrong? Even all the Biblical examples?No I didn't say that you grumpy old biker! You concluded faaaaar too much from my one short sentence. :nono:

I believe that the "powers that be" are ordained of God (Romans 13:1), but if those powers break Gods laws and rebel against them then there is no obligation to come under their rule!

[Lou Girardin]

No I didn't say that you grumpy old biker! You concluded faaaaar too much from my one short sentence. :nono:

I believe that the "powers that be" are ordained of God (Romans 13:1), but if those powers break Gods laws and rebel against them then there is no obligation to come under their rule!

Then it seems that one must rebel against God rather than bother with the middleman.

[scumdog]

Yup, free the GD cops to write more tickets.

Great stuff Lou, nice to see you being SO supportive and getting onboard eh?

Stuff the GDB, traffic is the way to go- shit any more of this and you'll be joining up again! :2thumbsup

[White trash]

No I didn't say that you grumpy old biker! You concluded faaaaar too much from my one short sentence. :nono:

I believe that the "powers that be" are ordained of God (Romans 13:1), but if those powers break Gods laws and rebel against them then there is no obligation to come under their rule!


Then it seems that one must rebel against God rather than bother with the middleman.

Fucken knock it off you two, we've been there, done that.

[scumdog]

Top stuff Quasi, if everybody was as pro-active as you there would be a lot less petty street crime etc. Respect.

Good shit :2thumbsup :Punk:

[Zed]

Fucken knock it off you two, we've been there, done that.Get stuffed! :Oops:

[WINJA]

No I didn't say that you grumpy old biker! You concluded faaaaar too much from my one short sentence. :nono:

I believe that the "powers that be" are ordained of God (Romans 13:1), but if those powers break Gods laws and rebel against them then there is no obligation to come under their rule!
AND THEN THERES (WINJA 15:3) " AND GOD SAID UNTO ZED FUCK OFF GET A LIFE AND STOP BOTHERING THESE GOOD PEOPLE"
AND (LOU 4:3) "THOU SHALT NOT TOUCH THYSELF IN THE SHOWER"
ITS IN THE BIBLE ZED ,TAKE MY WORD FOR IT AND YOU GET TO SLEEP IN ON SUNDAY

[Zed]

ITS IN THE BIBLE ZED ,TAKE MY WORD FOR IT...You are an antichrist whinger, I will not follow your word! :eyepoke:

Do you know who the first ever 'liar' was whinger? He was also the first one recorded in the scripture to say "yes". You are a yes man! :nono:

[Quasievil]

dont you cunts turn this into another fucken bible thread

[WINJA]

You are an antichrist whinger, I will not follow your word! :eyepoke:

Do you know who the first ever 'liar' was whinger? He was also the first one recorded in the scripture to say "yes". You are a yes man! :nono:
:whocares: THIS SOULD BE IN RELIGEOUS RAVINGS , YOUVE HIJACKED THIS THREAD ZED

[Zed]

dont you cunts turn this into another fucken bible threadThat better have been a PT Quasi because 1) I do respect the threads and usually keep it brief when I am challenged by another, 2) you knew I'd be offended by your choice of words, 3) I don't need to come home from a busy day at work and be told to do or not do ANYTHING by such an one as you! 4) WINJA deserved it, so well done!

So was that a PT Quasi?

[Quasievil]

That better have been a PT Quasi because 1) I do respect the threads and usually keep it brief when I am challenged by another, 2) you knew I'd be offended by your choice of words, 3) I don't need to come home from a busy day at work and be told to do or not do ANYTHING by such an one as you! 4) WINJA deserved it, so well done!

So was that a PT Quasi?

Off course, took me a while to figure out what a pt was, had to ask the wifee:rofl:

[spudchucka]

Yup, free the GD cops to write more tickets.
You are totally incapable of recognising a positive contribution for what it is...... Or just shit stirring again?

[Ixion]

:whocares: THIS SOULD BE IN RELIGEOUS RAVINGS , YOUVE HIJACKED THIS THREAD ZED
Religious ravings needs some fresh matter, I seem to be the only one who goes there now.

[Lou Girardin]

I want to see Winja's 666 tat. Post a pic?

[WINJA]

I want to see Winja's 666 tat. Post a pic?
IM NOT THE ANTI CHRIST, BUT I WAS KICKED OUT OF CHURCH.

[Ixion]

IM NOT THE ANTI CHRIST, BUT I WAS KICKED OUT OF CHURCH.

What'd ya do ? Ask questions they couldn't answer ?

[Deano]

Best marksman around can't rely on hitting in the leg.

Although if they have time....I've seen american swat shoot a pistol out of a felon's hand. Pistol much smaller than a leg but he had a long time to aim, unlike some situations.

[justsomeguy]

edit : oops..... wrong thread

[WINJA]

What'd ya do ? Ask questions they couldn't answer ?
I ATE ALL THE FOOD WITHOUT BRINGING A CONTRIBUTION, HAD SEX WITH ONE OF THE LADYS ,AND TOLD THE MINISTER HE TALKED TOO MUCH. AND I SWEAR ITS ALL TRUE.

[Ixion]

I ATE ALL THE FOOD WITHOUT BRINGING A CONTRIBUTION, HAD SEX WITH ONE OF THE LADYS ,AND TOLD THE MINISTER HE TALKED TOO MUCH. AND I SWEAR ITS ALL TRUE.

I guess that's what you'd call "going out with a bang". Did they kick her out too ?

[Wolf]

Temporarily confused as to whether to write about religion or marksmanship...

At the risk of re-hijacking the thread: Good on ya, Quasi - for your actions on the night in question and for your follow-ups.

We moved back into Hamilscum with quite a bit of reluctance - we were living out of town near Tauwhare and frankly couldn't afford the commuting costs when I killed the LS and had to rely on the car.

The level of crime in town and the number of wannabe gangstas lurking about - of all races, I might add - concerns me greatly, especially when I'm out and about with my wife and children.

I would not like for my family to be subjected to what Quasi and his family endured. Nor would I like my family to learn I was beaten to a pulp whilst waiting to catch the bus home on a dark winter's night.

The violence has steadily got worse over the years I've lived in and near this town (since the middle of the August holidays, 1979). Years ago, a friend of mine and I assisted the Maori Warden in subduing a drunk youth who had beaten up his girlfriend and also punched his girlfriend's aunt's boyfriend in the back of the head while he was driving. He was angry but easily subdued (caught in an arm lock and had his face planted in the grass for quarter of an hour) - a mob of 20-30 people beating the crap out of someone is a whole different matter.

I remember there always being "gangs" around Hamilton - not just the big "official" ones like the Mob, BP and OCs but smaller groups of hoods into a bit of aggro and more "random" in their choice of targets (never had a problem with the Mob, BP or OCs but got beaten up by a bunch of dicks down by the river and got followed up the road one by four youths who did not look like they were intending on asking me where I got my jacket). It seems there are now a lot more gangs of youths and they're getting bigger numerically - I had an escape route planned that would have evaded the four hoods that tailed me that night but I doubt I could evade 20-odd people.

I am mindful if I go out with my family that there is a greater likelihood now that we will be attacked or witness someone else being attacked.

[WINJA]

I guess that's what you'd call "going out with a bang". Did they kick her out too ?
NAH IT WAS CLOSED BRETHEREN , SO WOMAN WORE SCARVES AND WERENT ALLOWED TO TALK IN THE CHURCH AND WERENT CONSIDERED ABLE TO MAKE DECESIONS SO SHE GOT NO BLAME , FAIR ENUF THOUGH SHE WAS THERE FOR GOD I WAS THERE CAUSE I WAS BROKE AND HORNY AND IT WAS THE ONLY PLACE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE THAT I COULD FREELOAD

[Zed]

NAH IT WAS CLOSED BRETHEREN...Interesting, it's not that easy to just 'walk in' to the Closed Brethren denom! Usually entrance is only granted to friends and family? Therefore whinger, you must have caused no small stir among your close acquaintances! Not ashamed either it sounds. :no:




:mega: Let the filthy swearing and God attacks begin.

[WINJA]

Interesting, it's not that easy to just 'walk in' to the Closed Brethren denom! Usually entrance is only granted to friends and family? Therefore whinger, you must have caused no small stir among your close acquaintances! Not ashamed either it sounds. :no:




:mega: Let the filthy swearing and God attacks begin.
IM ASHAMED OF SHOOTING A SPAROW WHEN I WAS 10 , AND STEALING A BOTTLE OF MILK WHEN I WAS 7, BUT I HAVE NO SHAME GETTING KICKED OUT THERE, FUNNY THING WAS THE LADY STILL KEPT COMING ROUND FOR SOME ACTION AND EVERY TIME I SHAGGED HER I THOUGHT OF THE VIRGIN MARY , MMMM YEAH TAKE IT BITCH

[Wolf]

besides I have done alot of hours in a patrol car before and could certainly offer something.
FFS, dude, I've told ya before, being picked up every night for "Suspicious Loitering" doesn't count as experience...
:devil2:

Good on ya for the work you're doing - can't rep you again - I've got to "spread it around" a bit, first.

[WINJA]

it's not that easy to just 'walk in' to the Closed Brethren denom!
IF YOU GOT MONEY YOU CAN , ITS JUST RELIGION PROSTITUTING ITSELF AS USUAL.

[Zed]

IM ASHAMED OF SHOOTING A SPAROW WHEN I WAS 10 , AND STEALING A BOTTLE OF MILK WHEN I WAS 7,What is this, a confessional? Real Christians don't confess their sins to a man! :not:


BUT I HAVE NO SHAME GETTING KICKED OUT THERE, FUNNY THING WAS THE LADY STILL KEPT COMING ROUND FOR SOME ACTION AND EVERY TIME I SHAGGED HER I THOUGHT OF THE VIRGIN MARY , MMMM YEAH TAKE IT That is disgusting!! I'm dry-wretching here...:puke:

[Zed]

IF YOU GOT MONEY YOU CAN , ITS JUST RELIGION PROSTITUTING ITSELF AS USUAL.BUT YOU SAID YOU WERE "BROKE" DUDE? SO HOW DID YOU GET IN?

[justsomeguy]

That is disgusting!! I'm dry-wretching here...:puke:

No you're hijacking ------ this thread is about violence in NZ.

[justsomeguy]

BUT YOU SAID YOU WERE "BROKE" DUDE? SO HOW DID YOU GET IN?

Stop biting will you - please????

Look you're even beggining to talk like him - with all the capital letters

[WINJA]

BUT YOU SAID YOU WERE "BROKE" DUDE? SO HOW DID YOU GET IN?
INVITED BY SOME HOMO LIKE YOU, FUCK DID THEY REGRET IT

[Zed]

Stop biting will you - please????

Look you're even beggining to talk like him - with all the capital lettersMind your own beeswax, no-one asked you to be the mediator! You do it all the time hypocrite.

[justsomeguy]

Mind your own beeswax, no-one asked you to be the mediator! You do it all the time hypocrite.

I am fat arse...... you're the limp brained little girl who gets all angwy and bad reps others.....

Where as WINJA and I just fuck around throwing comments about.....

[Waylander]

Come on guys all three of you stop. This is getting ridicules. Even I try not to hijack threads this badly.

[WINJA]

Mind your own beeswax, no-one asked you to be the mediator! You do it all the time hypocrite.
ZED YOU ARE A LUKE WARMER AND I DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT GOD AND OTHER BULLSHIT , BUT I THINK HE SAID HE WILL SPEW YOU OUT OF HIS MOUTH, YOU ARE FUCKED ZED AND YOUR GOING TO HELL ,ITS KINDA LIKE HAWERA THERE

[Ixion]

No you're hijacking ------ this thread is about violence in NZ.

Blow that. This is more interesting. [Drags up comfy chair, pours glass of port. Carry on folks]

[Zed]

you're the limp brained little girl who gets all angwy and bad reps others.....

Where as WINJA and I just fuck around throwing comments about.....Let's just say I've got a short wick sometimes. Stuff it, I've had enough of throwing insults to and fro with you JSG. We'll sort this out the next time we see each other on a KB ride.

See ya round, g'nite. :spudwave:

[Ghost Lemur]

ZED YOU ARE A LUKE WARMER AND I DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT GOD AND OTHER BULLSHIT , BUT I THINK HE SAID HE WILL SPEW YOU OUT OF HIS MOUTH, YOU ARE FUCKED ZED AND YOUR GOING TO HELL ,ITS KINDA LIKE HAWERA THERE

Could be worse, could be Stratford. :rofl: :rofl:

[justsomeguy]

Let's just say I've got a short wick sometimes. Stuff it, I've had enough of throwing insults to and fro with you JSG. We'll sort this out the next time we see each other on a KB ride.

See ya round, g'nite. :spudwave:

OK - we are back to topic again -

Looks like somebody is threatening violence against another-body......


:rofl:

[Ixion]

INVITED BY SOME HOMO LIKE YOU, FUCK DID THEY REGRET IT

When I was young I got invited to religious things by lots of such well meaning people.

Baptists, Peculiar Brethren (Particular ? Can' remember), Jehovahs Witnesses Mormons, Hare Krishnas, Seventh day Adventists, christedelphians, they all had a shot at me.

The Hare Krishnas had the best food. Except for one special drink they did, was supposed to be a great honour to be offered. Foulest thing I've ever tried to drink. Didn't know what to do, not drink it and cause offence, or try to and almost certainly spew, which was probably some sort of sacrilege.

Never got to shag any of their women though. Some buggers have all the luck

They were all good well meaning people by their own lights.

[Zed]

ZED YOU ARE A LUKE WARMER AND I DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT GOD AND OTHER BULLSHIT , BUT I THINK HE SAID HE WILL SPEW YOU OUT OF HIS MOUTH, YOU ARE FUCKED ZED AND YOUR GOING TO HELL ,ITS KINDA LIKE HAWERA THEREWithin that post Whinger you just admitted to me that 1) You believe in God, 2) You believe in Gods word, 3) You believe in Hell. There is hope for you yet! Today is the day of salvation! :yes:

[WINJA]

What is this, a confessional? Real Christians don't confess their sins to a man! :not:

That is disgusting!! I'm dry-wretching here...:puke:
OH ZED YOU SHOULDA SEEN HER , THE PERFECT PICTURE OF CHRISTIANITY DOING DIRTY THINGS AND PRAYING AFTERWARDS AND SAYING ITS THE LAST TIME THEN COMING BACK AGAIN AND AGAIN TILL I WAS BORED WITH HER AND TOSSED HER OUT LIKE AN OLD AUTO TRADER ONLY FOR SOME SUCKER LIKE YOU TO MARRY HER THINKING HES GETTING A VIRGIN BUT ALWAYS IN THE BACK OF HIS MIND WONDERING HOW SHE KNOWS HOW TO SUCK SO GOOD.

IS THIS OK IXION ? DO I WIN?? ENJOY YOUR PORT

[justsomeguy]

Within that post Whinger you just admitted to me that 1) You believe in God, 2) You believe in Gods word, 3) You believe in Hell. There is hope for you yet! Today is the day of salvation! :yes:


:rofl: .......... console yourself:whistle:

[Ixion]

OH ZED YOU SHOULDA SEEN HER , THE PERFECT PICTURE OF CHRISTIANITY DOING DIRTY THINGS AND PRAYING AFTERWARDS AND SAYING ITS THE LAST TIME THEN COMING BACK AGAIN AND AGAIN TILL I WAS BORED WITH HER AND TOSSED HER OUT LIKE AN OLD AUTO TRADER ONLY FOR SOME SUCKER LIKE YOU TO MARRY HER THINKING HES GETTING A VIRGIN BUT ALWAYS IN THE BACK OF HIS MIND WONDERING HOW SHE KNOWS HOW TO SUCK SO GOOD.

IS THIS OK IXION ? DO I WIN?? ENJOY YOUR PORT

Yeah , I think you're looking towards a points victory. No knock out yet though. Yeah, Mazurins make good port. Very pleasant.

[John]

I GOTO CHURCH FOR THE BITCHES AND THE BEER, IS THAT A CRIME?

[justsomeguy]

Looks like Zed is still here....... despite saying he's going to sleep -

Isn;t lying wrong??

Probably thinking about what he is gonna do to me when he sees me next..... oh well.....see you day after huh..... don't sleep in if it rains...

most probably wont be coming on the ride - but may pop down just to say hi.

[WINJA]

Looks like Zed is still here....... despite saying he's going to sleep -

Isn;t lying wrong??

Probably thinking about what he is gonna do to me when he sees me next..... oh well.....see you day after huh..... don't sleep in if it rains...

most probably wont be coming on the ride - but may pop down just to say hi.
HES FUCKEN SPEECHLESS

[justsomeguy]

I GOTO CHURCH FOR THE BITCHES AND THE BEER, IS THAT A CRIME?

Lyrics: Run On
Artist: Moby

Chorus: some people go to church just to sit in the fire
trying to make a date with a neighbor's wife
brother let me tell you just as sure as you're born
you better leave that woman alone

[justsomeguy]

HES FUCKEN SPEECHLESS

Well?? Helloo??? can still see you around...... you awake??

[WINJA]

Well?? Helloo??? can still see you around...... you awake??
AND THE WINNER IS WINJA

[justsomeguy]

Oh well looks like I better head off too.

Hope you've finished your glass Ixion......

Later WINJA......

Sweet Dreams everyone:sleep:

[justsomeguy]

AND THE WINNER IS WINJA

Ok - :first:

But you were a bit naughty with the mary comments......:nono:

[John]

Lyrics: Run On
Artist: Moby

Chorus: some people go to church just to sit in the fire
trying to make a date with a neighbor's wife
brother let me tell you just as sure as you're born
you better leave that woman alone
FUCK THAT SHIT ARE YOU THAT BITCH?
DO YOU REALLY GIVE A FUCK IF I DO THAT BITCH - LIKE SERIOUSLY WHO GIVES A FUCK SHE GETS IT EITHER WAY ITS EITHER AT CHURCH WHERE I AM ABIT MORE CIVIL OR ITS BEHIND THE VIDEO STORE, N SHE WONT BE RENTING VIDEOS AFTER I AM DONE WITH HER AHHAA

PS WINJA FUCKED YOUR ASSHOLES UP BITCHESSSS

[justsomeguy]

FUCK THAT SHIT ARE YOU THAT BITCH?
DO YOU REALLY GIVE A FUCK IF I DO THAT BITCH - LIKE SERIOUSLY WHO GIVES A FUCK SHE GETS IT EITHER WAY ITS EITHER AT CHURCH WHERE I AM ABIT MORE CIVIL OR ITS BEHIND THE VIDEO STORE, N SHE WONT BE RENTING VIDEOS AFTER I AM DONE WITH HER AHHAA

PS WINJA FUCKED YOUR ASSHOLES UP BITCHESSSS

Don't give a rats left nut what you do - your post reminded me of that song......

I used to like it back when it came out......- those were the years......

[John]

Don't give a rats left nut what you do - your post reminded me of that song......

I used to like it back when it came out......- those were the years......
WHAT SONG WAS THAT IF I MAY ASK?

[justsomeguy]

WHAT SONG WAS THAT IF I MAY ASK?

Never knew the lyrics back then - just liked the tune......just realised that it's a bit religious in nature - AND THAT IS A COINCIDENCE......:yes:

Artist: Moby
Album: PlaySong: Run On

Lord God Almighty let me tell the news
my head got wet in midnight dew
great God i been down on my bended knees
talking to a man from galilee
michael spoke and he sound so sweet
i thought i heard the shuffle of angels' feet
He put one hand upon my head
great God Almighty let me tell you what He said

[bridge:]

go tell that lonesome liar
go tell that midnight rider
tell the gamblin', ramblin' backslider
tell them God Almighty gonna cut 'em down

[chorus:]

you might run on for a long time
run on, ducking and dodging
run on, children (?), for a long time
let me tell you God Almighty gonna cut you down

you might throw your rock, hide your head
work in the dark with your fellow men
sure as God made you rich and poor
you're gonna reap just what you sow

[chorus x3]

(you might run
what is the real thing ?
run
what is the real thing ?
come on)

some people go to church just to sit in the fire
trying to make a date with a neighbor's wife
brother let me tell you just as sure as you're born
you better leave that woman alone

[bridge]

[chorus x8]

[John]

Never knew the lyrics back then - just liked the tune......just realised that it's a bit religious in nature - AND THAT IS A COINCIDENCE......:yes:

Artist: Moby
Album: PlaySong: Run On



WELL THATS ABIT DIFFERENT, NOT MY FORTAY BUT HEY :drinkup:

[justsomeguy]

WELL THATS ABIT DIFFERENT, NOT MY FORTAY BUT HEY :drinkup:

It's not my favourite....

but yeah I like all kinds....

from nirvana to the eagles to U2 to marilyn manson to the stones.......... whatever mood I'm in........:Punk:

given a choice i'm a hauraki listener by the way

currently listening to Breathe by The Prodigy