135kph speeding ticket - cop guesstimate?

[Robhj]

I was on my Buell Ullysses approaching a dawdling car on the road to Coromandel yesterday, and overtook with a quick burst of acceleration. i reckon it took all 0f 3 seconds to overtake. I spotted a marked police car approaching about 400-500 metres ahead, and thought "Good job he's in the opposite direction".

5 minutes later he pulled me over and asked me the speed limit. "100 kph but I overtook a car" I admitted. I nearly fell over when he claimed I was doing 135, with the car doing 95, and that I had then slowed to 127. Is their equipment that accurate that it can clock 2 cars doing widely different speeds in parallel 1 km ahead?

As we all do when about to overtake, I had slowed down to near the car's speed, then overtook him briskly. I reckon I was doing 110-115 maximum when I overtook, and then slowed to 105. So I accelerated from 100 to 135 in 2 seconds? Even an R1 isn't that fast.

I'm told that cops have stated on TV that they rarely find 'serious' speeding offences now that drivers are cowed by 'Zero Tolerance'. Is this why the cop was so enthusiastic about nicking me for overtaking a car as he approached from 1k distance? I spotted very few bikes on the Coromandel loop. Had he had a poor crop of tickets? Given the alleged speed and 40 demerit points, plus $300 fine, should he have offered to show me the evidence on screen, as friends have suggested? I should have asked for this, but as a recent Pom immigrant I didn't know, and early experience in the UK taught me that the Plod gets very shirty if you dispute their figures.

Is it worth me writing a letter disputing the figures and asking for evidence, or asking a lawyer? Any advice welcome, especially from off-duty Traffic Officers....

[Gwinch]

So I accelerated from 100 to 135 in 2 seconds? Even an R1 isn't that fast.

Ooh, you're most certainly wrong on that one m'lad.

[mattian]

well. If they have recorded your speed on a device then, thats the evidence they will use in a court of law if you decide to contest it. You will have to argue that their gear is either faulty or, was the speed of the other vehicle next you you.

Ask yourself this question honestly. Is it possible you may have been doing this speed while overtaking the car? If your answer is "Yes" or even "more than likely" then just suck it up and pay it.

[steve_t]

Unfortunately, overtaking at the time isn't a valid reason. I got pinged for 111km/h basically overtaking a few years ago. I wrote in but my appeal was declined. You definitely should have asked to see the speed reading, not that it would have made any difference if there was 127km/h on the readout. I think you're gonna have to wear this one, but if you have nothing but time to write a letter, it's not gonna do any harm. I saw a cop on the coast road and he had his radar on the whole time so I picked him up a good 20 seconds before I saw him. The cops around Hamilton are using a lot of instant on. Maybe you should look at a RD. I don't regularly speed but still find it a good bit of kit to have

[SMOKEU]

Buy a radar detector.

[Robhj]

Thanks for quick replies. I am 52 and riding since 12, with a ban for reckless driving when I was 18, so I'm very wary of opening a bike up without serious thought. I am still running the bike in, and have seen 135kph only once, on a long straight in the hills near Clevedon, so I'd know for sure from the engine note if I'd been doing more than 120.

[Maha]

If you dont write in, you will end up having to pay right?
The ticket issuer is only the only the starting point, he/she has a job to do and thats fine, but a ticket issued by a cop should (at times) be questioned.
If you feel you have a better than even chance of getting off, put your side of what happened in an email and send it in.
I did, just after easter and they wiped the charge.
And I got caught on radar!

[Virago]

...Given the alleged speed and 40 demerit points, plus $300 fine, should he have offered to show me the evidence on screen, as friends have suggested?...

No. He doesn't have to offer, but you're quite entitled to ask.

You got caught. Suck it up - move on.

[MSTRS]

I was on my Buell Ullysses approaching a dawdling car on the road to Coromandel yesterday, and overtook with a quick burst of acceleration. i reckon it took all 0f 3 seconds to overtake. I spotted a marked police car approaching about 400-500 metres ahead, and thought "Good job he's in the opposite direction".

5 minutes later he pulled me over and asked me the speed limit. "100 kph but I overtook a car" I admitted. I nearly fell over when he claimed I was doing 135, with the car doing 95, and that I had then slowed to 127. Is their equipment that accurate that it can clock 2 cars doing widely different speeds in parallel 1 km ahead?

So I accelerated from 100 to 135 in 2 seconds? Even an R1 isn't that fast.

I'm told that cops have stated on TV that they rarely find 'serious' speeding offences now that drivers are cowed by 'Zero Tolerance'. Is this why the cop was so enthusiastic about nicking me for overtaking a car as he approached from 1k distance?

Any advice welcome, especially from off-duty Traffic Officers....

Seems to me that you are not quite sure of your facts...Was the cop 400m ahead or 1km? Big difference.
I doubt that their radar equipment will show that sensitivity - at least not at that distance. The return off a bike is probably not strong enough to be seperated from that of a car immediately beside.
There are a heap of bikes that can gain 35kph in 2 secs or less, your Buell included.
Today's newspaper carries 2 reports of motorists being pinged at 170+kph speeds in the last 2 days. There are plenty still out there willing to risk it.
I guess you can dispute your speed, but he got you over the limit. You didn't pass that car in the space of 3 seconds, if you were only doing 5kph more (assuming the car was doing 95).
I'd say you'll need to suck it up. This time.

[BMWST?]

IMHO you did the right thing "speeding" to overtake it is the right way to do it,but unfortunaetly you got caught.There is no excuse you can make to get off the ticket even tho you did the safest overtaking manouvre you could.All you can do now is dispute the speed?Did he say HOW he recorded your speed? or did he just guess?

[marty]

it's likely that his radar tracked you in 'fastest' mode, but as you were a smaller target, your speed will not be lockable until it became the strongest return.

a spirious tone from a 'fastest' signal but backed by a visual on you would be more than enough to hang you, especially if the car was already doing 100km/h, and you overtook it. the argument will not be 'did you do 135?' but 'how much over 100km/h were you?' you have already admitted to 110-115, and in the absence of some other proof, it's advantage five-o

[onearmedbandit]

So I accelerated from 100 to 135 in 2 seconds? Even an R1 isn't that fast.



It's already been said, but an R1 would do 100-135 in less than one second.

[Robhj]

I wouldn't expect the case to be thrown out - I would be happy with a points reduction. I need a license for my job, and if I get too many points it's goodbye Godzone and hello again to the Septic Isle (UK).

It's all guesswork, but I think the police car was 1k away when I started to overtake, and 400-500 metres by the time I pulled back in, given closing speeds, acceleration/deceleration etc. That's the point - I suspect it is all guesswork, including by the cop. He just chose the top range, but it's bullshit. Yes, I should move on, but if cops can't be trusted to be objective, and use 'sharp practice', it's a serious issue for every biker.

[FJRider]

I wouldn't expect the case to be thrown out - I would be happy with a points reduction. I need a license for my job, and if I get too many points it's goodbye Godzone and hello again to the Septic Isle (UK).

It's all guesswork, but I think the police car was 1k away when I started to overtake, and 400-500 metres by the time I pulled back in, given closing speeds, acceleration/deceleration etc. That's the point - I suspect it is all guesswork, including by the cop. He just chose the top range, but it's bullshit. Yes, I should move on, but if cops can't be trusted to be objective, and use 'sharp practice', it's a serious issue for every biker.

It does not quite work that way ... You appeal-you get off or it's upheld.

If you wish to argue the case ... don't pay the fine and see (the cop) in court ...

If the cop(s) thinks the chances of him/her proving their case are dodgy ... the charges "may" be withdrawn.

Go for it ... what have you got to lose ... ???

oh yes ... more money (I dont think court convictions carry demerit points)

[Kickaha]

It's all guesswork

Which means you're fucked

You're only guessing what speed you were doing yourself

[terbang]

115 or 135 either way its still over the limit. You do the crime then do the time. Simple really.


need a license for my job, and if I get too many points it's goodbye Godzone and hello again to the Septic Isle (UK).

In this case, don't let the door kick you in the arse on the way out.

[Gremlin]

If you're going to argue it, stop guessing, go back there and get hard numbers, distance, gives you speeds, its about the only way they are going to be proved wrong.

[Mully]

I wouldn't expect the case to be thrown out - I would be happy with a points reduction. I need a license for my job, and if I get too many points it's goodbye Godzone and hello again to the Septic Isle (UK).

Or, ya know, slow down.

I honestly don't understand people (and I'm related to some) that say "I have to have a licence for work" and then ride at speeds which will get them enough FlyBuys to loose their licence or at speeds which will win them an automatic 28 day holiday from driving.

[Dave Lobster]

With THIS (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/8573395/police-wont-charge-mother-who-left-baby-alone/) in mind, the police seem to think that breaking the law for a 'few seconds' isn't particularly serious. So chill.. a few seconds of speeding is far less dangerous than leaving a baby in a baking car.

[Scuba_Steve]

With THIS (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/8573395/police-wont-charge-mother-who-left-baby-alone/) in mind, the police seem to think that breaking the law for a 'few seconds' isn't particularly serious. So chill.. a few seconds of speeding is far less dangerous than leaving a baby in a baking car.

difference there is aint no $$$ to be made.

[scumdog]

Buy a radar detector.

Instant on.

Trumped.

And he had SEEN the cop, remember?

[scumdog]

I doubt that their radar equipment will show that sensitivity - at least not at that distance. .



Hmmm...



I've had accurate readings at 1.7km....

[SMOKEU]

Instant on.

Trumped.

And he had SEEN the cop, remember?

A good radar detector can still pick up a radar gun well before you can see it.

I've very rarely come across instant on, the officers usually either don't have their radar gun on at all, or it's on constantly.

[scumdog]

A good radar detector can still pick up a radar gun well before you can see it.

I've very rarely come across instant on, the officers usually either don't have their radar gun on at all, or it's on constantly.

YOU have to lucky EVERY time, the cops on the other hand only have to be lucky once every so often..

(Oh, and instant on isn't used on EVERY car/bike, just the ones that 'look' fast..)

[Crazy Steve]

YOU have to lucky EVERY time, the cops on the other hand only have to be lucky once every so often..

(Oh, and instant on isn't used on EVERY car/bike, just the ones that 'look' fast..)

Don't know why hes crying 135 Yawn...I got done for 293kph plus, they reckon.

Now I have a shinny new pushbike ! ! !

Crazy Steve.

[NOD]

If you Know you need your lience so well stop speeding and enjoy the sites that pass you by stop moaning or fuck off back to uk so we dont have to hear you :violin:

[Scuba_Steve]

If you Know you need your lience so well stop speeding and enjoy the sites that pass you by

And thus "slow" drivers are dangerous...

[Smifffy]

Was the car really 'dawdling'? at 95 K? really?

I think that if you were certain you weren't doing 135, then you needed to say so to the cop at the time. Chances are that he then would have offered to show you his evidence, and there would have been a nice 135 on the display of his device.

Whether the 135 was you, or somebody else doesn't seem to matter, you are the one that got stopped, and he has a digital display with 135 on it.

I think you'll be paying the fine and counting the demerits.


I think you have sufficient motivation to slow down. Coromandel is a nice ride, even at 95 K. :innocent:

[davebullet]

I think you are stuffed, but I apply your logic when overtaking as well. If a car is doing <= 90kph (I know you said 95kph) - i will overtake it. I do this as quickly as possible to reduce the time in the oncoming lane. Sure - I could overtake at 99kph and sit in that lane for 5+ seconds - but is that any safer? The other option is just to chill and follow at 90kph.

either way - it seems unless you have hard facts to back up your side of the argument, you are on the back foot. No harm in writing in eh?

[Latte]

And thus "slow" drivers are dangerous...

95 in a 100 zone slow? Better tell the authorities, there's money to be made ticketing slow drivers as well (5kph tolerance and all that
).

[Corse1]

I passed a car yesterday doing 75 in 80 zone. When i arrived home after this short 40k ride i checked my top speed on the trip computer expecting to see 104km as this is the fasted I remembered travelling. To my surprise it registered 115kph. The only time this could have occured was when I passed the car.

Thats 35 over the limit of 80 and really surprised me as I it didn't feel as if I had increased speed that much. This is similar to your situation although I did not get caught.

I also wrote a letter for another offence where I was unfairely given a ticket recently. The reply was "this is not the forum for disputing an offence" In other words do it in court.

[Scuba_Steve]

I think you are stuffed, but I apply your logic when overtaking as well. If a car is doing <= 90kph (I know you said 95kph) - i will overtake it. I do this as quickly as possible to reduce the time in the oncoming lane. Sure - I could overtake at 99kph and sit in that lane for 5+ seconds - but is that any safer? The other option is just to chill and follow at 90kph.


AA study showed if a car is doing 80km/h and you overtake at the legal 100km/h it will take you 20secs to do so or 556m (656m if doing so with 100m clear road ahead) thats a hell of a long time to be on the other-side of the road or a pretty close on most passing lanes (lower NI ref) & everyone else is then still stuck behind them, so if it was really about 'safety' passing at the speed limit is unsafe, "speeding" to get pass them is the safest thing you could do. But then we all know too well safety has nothing to do with this scam its all about the $$$ (and their study was done with actual speed not speedo speed)

[EJK]

Admit it. We all speed.

[MSTRS]

Hmmm...



I've had accurate readings at 1.7km....

Perhaps. I wasn't disputing the accuracy of the speed reading...
Did the car? you clocked have a calibrated speedo? Was it done as some sort of test, using a fellow cop? There were no other factors at work, like a closer vehicle travelling obliquely to you?
I would dispute your equipment being able to separate a car AND a bike travelling side by side at any distance from you.

[scumdog]

Perhaps. I wasn't disputing the accuracy of the speed reading...
Did the car? you clocked have a calibrated speedo? Was it done as some sort of test, using a fellow cop? There were no other factors at work, like a closer vehicle travelling obliquely to you?
I would dispute your equipment being able to separate a car AND a bike travelling side by side at any distance from you.


It was Mr Joe Average and square onto me - not off to one side by any more than the width of the road (we DO have some straight bits down here) and no other vehicle involved so I knew whose speed it was.

And it's not that tricky with two vehicles - the gizmo on the dash sez 'fastest' on one reading of the two showing - and hopefully that means the one doing the overtaking..

[Dare]

It was Mr Joe Average and square onto me - not off to one side by any more than the width of the road (we DO have some straight bits down here) and no other vehicle involved so I knew whose speed it was.

And it's not that tricky with two vehicles - the gizmo on the dash sez 'fastest' on one reading of the two showing - and hopefully that means the one doing the overtaking..

Ever seen the car being overtaken speed up dramatically?

[scumdog]

Ever seen the car being overtaken speed up dramatically?

Not that I have ever noticed - and I doubt if it would be believable that in this case the vehicle being overtaken sped up so much that the original poster HAD to do that speed to pass it.

[imdying]

I was on my Buell

So I accelerated from 100 to 135 in 2 seconds? Even an R1 isn't that fast.You've really gotta get off that old vtwin piece of poo :laugh:

[imdying]

115 or 135 either way its still over the limit. You do the crime then do the time. Simple really.Bit like clipping a cheeky bitch in the side of the face with an open palm or taking her for a drive up Godley Head and raping and killing her... Either way, it's still a crime, no matter which one they nail you on.

No matter to them maybe... why should he take more punishment than he has earnt?

[terbang]

Bit like clipping a cheeky bitch in the side of the face with an open palm or taking her for a drive up Godley Head and raping and killing her... Either way, it's still a crime, no matter which one they nail you on.

No matter to them maybe... why should he take more punishment than he has earnt?

Sure, but doesn't the fine rise with the speed?

100KPH=0 fine
115KPH=X fine
135KPH=XX fine
140KPH=XXX fine and loss of licence.

In other words, the faster you go the bigger the mess (on your finances that is).

Cop says 135 and he says 115. He can argue the point for 115, but he's still going to cop some sort of a fine.

[scumdog]

Sure, but doesn't the fine rise with the speed?

100KPH=0 fine
115KPH=X fine
135KPH=XX fine
140KPH=XXX fine and loss of licence.

In other words, the faster you go the bigger the mess (on your finances that is).




Hmm, often use that quote whenthe speeder I pulled over turns out to be disqualified, has no WOF or rego (and now and then is drunk)

Mostly they say "Huh? wot mess" and look around.:doh:

[wysper]

Hmmm...



I've had accurate readings at 1.7km....

Genuine question, how do you know the readings are accurate?


Don't know why hes crying 135 Yawn...I got done for 293kph plus, they reckon.

Now I have a shinny new pushbike ! ! !

Crazy Steve.

LOL, you will be safe from that speed on the DR! infact probably both those speeds :blink:

[pritch]

Buy a radar detector.

Wot he said.

Almost any modern big bike would get to 135 passing a car no trouble. Just as well it wasn't a truck, you'd have been doing 160.

Then again you could consider yourself fortunate, 5 kph more and you could have been walking home. Look on the bright side:yes:

Don't trust the advice of those friends of yours too much. You can ask (nicely) to see the radar reading but he is not required to show you.

[DMNTD]

Ever seen the car being overtaken speed up dramatically?

Dozens of times hence why I choose to take my chances and over take pro actively.
If it's seen to be dangerous (my speed) then so be it, at least i felt safer doing it.
It's called the wrong side of the road for a reason eh :blink:

[Brian d marge]

Its not the point

car going at 95 , on a NZ road ... here I assume there was plenty of visibility and light traffic, if at all.

bike comes up behind car , then gives it a squirt to overtake then settles back to 100 or even slightly faster ..104.329 km/hr

riding in a , again assumed responsible manner .

and he gets pinged.


Revenue gathering


Now if rider had over taken in an unsafe manner , lecture , and check bike ,,, ( Help the community )
then let him on his way

now if rider had been a COCK , throw the book at him , USE the law

Before anyone starts , 100km is to fast in some places , NZ driver are 100ft tall and bullet proof and its never their fault etc

but the current approach to the horrendous crime of speeding , is all bollox and only there to keep the medical bills down .. nothing more nothing less

Stephen

227740and remember THX 1138 we will look after you


pps

you always try this excuse

A top Auckland policeman caught speeding yesterday told the officer who stopped him he was tracking a vehicle of "operational interest'' at the time.

[PrincessBandit]

Posts 28 and 29 pretty much sum it up for me. If the car was doing 95 then it's hardly "dawdling" despite a rider (or another driver) wishing they'd go that extra 5kph faster (big frickety deal). If you saw the cop up ahead and knew you were going to have to put on a burst to get past the car in front why didn't you simply wait until the police vehicle had sailed past into the wild blue yonder away from you before doing it? Surely it wouldn't have added that much more time to your travel?

While I can certainly understand it being annoying being "held up" behind a driver who is sitting just under the legal speed limit whatever happened to patience? Especially at this time of year when all sorts of numpties, idiots and putterers are out on the road and the police are being extra vigilant!

[Ocean1]

- and hopefully that means the one doing the overtaking..

I was pinged years ago, HUUUUUGE injustice, I was being undertaken by a fookin' mini. I was fookin'grumpy for weeks.

[Kickaha]

I was pinged years ago, HUUUUUGE injustice, I was being undertaken by a fookin' mini. I was fookin'grumpy for weeks.

Fuck off you deserved a ticket for letting a Mini pass you regardless of how he was doing it

[Brian d marge]

Fuck off you deserved a ticket for letting a Mini pass you regardless of how he was doing it

This Mini???

227743

Stephen

[Ocean1]

Fuck off you deserved a ticket for letting a Mini pass you regardless of how he was doing it

I spotted the radar and had peeled back a tad. Besides, nawt wrong wiv minis, the last one I had would thrash a 2L Siera up to 120k.

Always fancied doing one of these, but I never managed it.

[pritch]

Besides, nawt wrong wiv minis, the last one I had would thrash a 2L Siera up to 120k.



On private roads of course? :whistle:

[Ocean1]

On private roads of course? :whistle:

Of course.

I'd be dead otherwise, innit?

[PrincessBandit]

This Mini???

227743

Stephen

nah, this one bro227774

[Spearfish]

frickety

Now that is a word you don't see often.

[specter]

So I accelerated from 100 to 135 in 2 seconds? Even an R1 isn't that fast.

tried it with a 6th gear roll on today on my bike, bout 2.5 seconds

[nudemetalz]

tried it with a 6th gear roll on today on my bike, bout 2.5 seconds

..at Ruapuna of course.... ;)

[specter]

..at Ruapuna of course.... ;)

im still alive to tell the ghastly tale aren't I? :facepalm:

[Flip]

Hmmm...



I've had accurate readings at 1.7km....


I've detected cops doing the instant on thing 12 km away.

[Juzz976]

I know how accurate radars are.

How accurate is your speedo?

[SPman]

Originally Posted by Robhj
I was on my Buell

So I accelerated from 100 to 135 in 2 seconds? Even an R1 isn't that fast.
I used to allow (from various rudimentary 1000 and 1.....1000 and 2 type timing).....GSXR1000 top gear passing sitting around 90-95 with touring packs , one car - approx 2-2.5 secs and approx 130-135kph pull in speed, 2 cars, approx 3.5 secs and approx 160 - 165kph pull in speed.
I think you're done!

[NUTBAR]

Ooh, you're most certainly wrong on that one m'lad.

i can agree with that one from my own experience of over taking a car on my R1 that was doing 60 kph in a 70 kph zone, by the time i got to the front of it when mister plod clocked me i was doing in exess of 40 plus kph over the limit,

[pritch]

How accurate is your speedo?

Mine's shit hot thanks. Well, the Magneti Marelli one sucks, but the Garmin is great.

[Pixie]

The posters that tell you to suck it up are just the ones that regularly bend over for any official's pleasure because they are too gutless or stupid to stand up for themselves.In other words good kiwi blokes.

I suggest you write a letter and ask how the speed was determined.If it was by a microwave device then defend the case as you have a good arguement that the reading was false if there were other vehicles in the beam.

If it was just a cop's guess,better still.These fuckers need to be reigned in.

[Pixie]

I
but the current approach to the horrendous crime of speeding , is all bollox and only there to keep the medical bills down .. nothing more nothing less

Stephen

227740and remember THX 1138 we will look after you


pps

you always try this excuse

A top Auckland policeman caught speeding yesterday told the officer who stopped him he was tracking a vehicle of "operational interest'' at the time.

The hypocrites are so full of shit these days.The latest is that,in order to make the holiday road toll look better to support the bullshit reduction in speed tolerance,they are saying the latest road death was not a road death at all because the driver may have had a stroke and died before the car crashed.

Yeah and monkeys will fly out of my fragrant arse.

Next they will say some driver died because the radio station he switched to before he crashed gave him a heart attack because the Bay City Rollers were on at the time.

Wankers

[Mad-V2]

As I've been called a "lunatic" by more than one officer of the law, all I can say is pay the fine as you know you were speeding, and next time you get stopped, get off the bike walk straight to his passenger door and look at the reading on his machine before he even gets out. I've paid $30K in fines since I was 14 years old and that's the biggest thing I've learned from that. Soooooo many times I've been pulled over, the cop walks up to me and says "YOU WERE SPEEDING!", but after checking for myself he could only give me a reg, wof and license ticket :facepalm:. Unless they have evidence or a witness... there F^cked in court

I got my full licence last month :woohoo:
Still no reg or warrant though :whocares: there over rated anyways :killingme

[karmobRob]

Should have been riding the Matchee and enjoying the view, or at home having a luuvly cuup of tea!!!:drinknsin

[scumdog]

As I've been called a "lunatic" by more than one officer of the law, all I can say is pay the fine as you know you were speeding, and next time you get stopped, get off the bike walk straight to his passenger door and look at the reading on his machine before he even gets out. I've paid $30K in fines since I was 14 years old and that's the biggest thing I've learned from that. Soooooo many times I've been pulled over, the cop walks up to me and says "YOU WERE SPEEDING!", but after checking for myself he could only give me a reg, wof and license ticket :facepalm:. Unless they have evidence or a witness... there F^cked in court



Look, another KB bush-lawyer!!:shit::rolleyes:


QUOTE: "I got my full licence last month :woohoo:
Still no reg or warrant though :whocares: there over rated anyways :killingme"

I'm surprised you don't consider a licence of any sort (let alone a Full one) is over rated too....<_<:wacko:

[steve_t]

Look, another KB bush-lawyer!!:shit::rolleyes:



Must be a lawyer or summat that pays well enough to not care about $30,000 in fines :facepalm:

[scumdog]

Must be a lawyer or summat that pays well enough to not care about $30,000 in fines :facepalm:


Luck bastard, that's not far off the total for what I've paid for all the bikes I've owned....

[Mad-V2]

I just tell the cops I pay $70 a week to speed on our roads. Chuck it on the tab!!! They love it!!
Who cares anyway it's only money. I got another $300 fine on the way to Cemetery circuit and the cop remembered me, my brother and my old man. He actually new my name when I took off my helmet :yes: and no I'm no lawyer, they are over rated too.
I have paid them all up to date too if you can believe that, the last payment of $8K was wiped up my arse crack before I handed it over.
Those were the days when I had no license at all, and you had to pay $400 for wrong class of license. Now its only $150!! Pucking Crunts!!!!
I used to be young and stupid, now I'm older and a wise ass.

[Kickaha]

I've paid $30K in fines since I was 14 years old and that's the biggest thing I've learned from that

To get 30K in fines shows you've learnt fuck all



I used to be young and stupid, now I'm older and a wise ass.

Nah just older and just even stupider as you don't seem capable of learning how to avoid paying out anything

[Mad-V2]

To get 30K in fines shows you've learnt fuck all

Nah just older and just even stupider as you don't seem capable of learning how to avoid paying out anything

Awww so harsh. Sorry to get ya all wound up fella :laugh:
I was just sharing my experience's
But I guess your just perfect :innocent:
Oh well :finger:

Normal programming will resume in........5. 4. 3. 2. 1.

[AllanB]

I just tell the cops I pay $70 a week to speed on our roads. Chuck it on the tab!!! They love it!!
Who cares anyway it's only money. I got another $300 fine on the way to Cemetery circuit and the cop remembered me, my brother and my old man. He actually new my name when I took off my helmet :yes: and no I'm no lawyer, they are over rated too.
I have paid them all up to date too if you can believe that, the last payment of $8K was wiped up my arse crack before I handed it over.
Those were the days when I had no license at all, and you had to pay $400 for wrong class of license. Now its only $150!! Pucking Crunts!!!!
I used to be young and stupid, now I'm older and a wise ass.


Ah shit - see KBers there is NO chance of your rego fees being lowered ........

[Mad-V2]

Ah shit - see KBers there is NO chance of your rego fees being lowered ........

Hey man, its not my fault. I've never had an ACC claim in my life. If anything I'm supporting our police force.....Jeez.

[red mermaid]

Yeah Right, your fines go into the Govt consolidated fund and are used for many purposes of which the money going to Police is a very very small amount.



Hey man, its not my fault. I've never had an ACC claim in my life. If anything I'm supporting our police force.....Jeez.

[Banditbandit]

Ever seen the car being overtaken speed up dramatically?

Yeah .. I had a Holden Ute do that to me in the passing lanes on the Takapau Plains last year ... He sped up to 160 klicks on the inside lane ... I sat beside him for a while ... then changed up and opened the throttle ... He was smiling at me until I opened the throttle ... Didn't see his face after that ...