Yet another Coromandel fatality

[Bytor]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10697527

Take care out there people

[onearmedbandit]

Never good to hear. As per the site rules lets keep names out of this thread until it's either in the public domain or family or friends confirm. Thanks.

[Conquiztador]

Crap. Was up there my self yesterday and had a nice day of riding.

Sincere condolences to family and friends. Ride free forever.

[scumdog]

Only a matter of time - I hope nobody was surprised.

(Except the innocent rider)

[Quasievil]

Why anyone is riding up there at Holiday time is beyond me

So the Coro takes another...............wont be the last thats for sure!!

Tragic stuff and RIP and thoughts to the family whoever it is

[scumdog]

And speed would not be a factor eh?... eh?....

[steve_t]

Shit - two motorcyclists had a head on? Another case of target fixation? RIP rider and condolences to family and friends of everyone involved.

[miloking]

And speed would not be a factor eh?... eh?....

Of course its a factor, if he was just sitting on a bike with side stand out at 0km/h, making engine noises with his mouth...he would have certainly lived...

[FJRider]

Of course its a factor, if he was just sitting on a bike with side stand out at 0km/h, making engine noises with his mouth...he would have certainly lived...

Nothing to do with the fact that TWO were bikes involved ... huh ... ???

[emaN]

Of course its a factor, if he was just sitting on a bike with side stand out at 0km/h, making engine noises with his mouth...he would have certainly lived...

Bro, ignore Scummy.
If he's gotta make his first posts in this thread so juvenile in nature, he doesn't deserve the attention.
There's "wind-ups", (allegedly) his forte; and there's bad taste. In my view, his posts so far in this thread are the result of poor decision making.

[FJRider]

Bro, ignore Scummy.
If he's gotta make his first posts in this thread so juvenile in nature, he doesn't deserve the attention.
There's "wind-ups", (allegedly) his forte; and there's bad taste. In my view, his posts so far in this thread are the result of poor decision making.

Poor decision making KILLS more people than speed ... :innocent:

your comment seems appropriate considering the thread subject ... :shutup:

[Smifffy]

Bro, ignore Scummy.
If he's gotta make his first posts in this thread so juvenile in nature, he doesn't deserve the attention.
There's "wind-ups", (allegedly) his forte; and there's bad taste. In my view, his posts so far in this thread are the result of poor decision making.

Anyone else would be told "it's a poor topic to troll on", but Scummy is just "winding up drongos". It's all a matter of perspective.

RIP. I hope it wasn't somebody going for the Waikato tag..

[kevfromcoro]

Any names been released...
Got a couple of mates up there....

[jafar]

I hate this shit, I hope whoever died did so quickly & painlessly. I also hope it wasn't anyone I know I've been to enough funerals:mad:

[miloking]

Nothing to do with the fact that TWO were bikes involved ... huh ... ???

Hard to say, i wasnt there.... but since its TWO bikes involved that makes it easier for the haters to say "it was the bikers fault" and none of us can argue with that...

[FJRider]

Hard to say, i wasnt there.... but since its TWO bikes involved that makes it easier for the haters to say "it was the bikers fault" and none of us can argue with that...

If they were riding together ... and one (or both) hit an oil/gravel patch ... who's to say fault could be put on either ...

not for us to affix any blame on either .... at this stage or any other ...

[chanceyy]

Hard to say, i wasnt there.... but since its TWO bikes involved that makes it easier for the haters to say "it was the bikers fault" and none of us can argue with that...


If they were riding together ... and one (or both) hit an oil/gravel patch ... who's to say fault could be put on either ...

not for us to affix any blame on either .... at this stage or any other ...


it appears they were travelling in opp direction but as I was not there I can only take the media word for it .. and we know the media love to sensationalise biker accidents .. below is from stuff - and condolences to the riders family and to the other rider speedy recovery

Shortly before 1pm today a motorcyclist died after the bike he was riding and another motorcyclist collided head-on on SH25, which crosses the bottom of the Coromandel peninsula, closing the road for several hours.
The men had been negotiating a series of S-bends on Whangapoa Rd, between Coromandel and Te Rerenga.
The other rider was seriously injured and had been flown to Auckland hospital by helicopter, Mr Penno said.
Police were still investigating the cause of the crash.

[cave weta]

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=188303
opposite directions, and the accident up the road from my place- 3 vehicles! I only saw 1...
the road has been a procession of cars boats and campervans all day. it has been mayhem. today no bike s passed my place that I saw. thank god most riders had the good sense to stay away.
the loop is a madhouse at the moment

[rebel]

RIP, it was only a matter of time, too right shes a mad house, the company I drive for usually sends two truck and trailer units down there daily full of frozen/chilled foodstuffs, over the last week they have been sending up to 7!

[DIN PELENDA]

Poor decision making KILLS more people than speed ... :innocent:

your comment seems appropriate considering the thread subject ... :shutup:


not for us to affix any blame on either .... at this stage or any other ...
I agree with both of you comments, was on ride and one of them was guy I ride with on day, so knowing what happened is funny reading some bitching, blaming, assuming, arguing... like no bikers but bunch of bitches with different opinion.
Hope for rider that survive well recovery.
RIP and condolences to family of passing rider.

[phill-k]

so knowing what happened is funny reading some bitching, blaming, assuming, arguing... like no bikers but bunch of bitches with different opinion.


Almost as funny as coming on here and saying I know one of the riders and what happened but I'm not going to tell you :yes:

[Jantar]

Almost as funny as coming on here and saying I know one of the riders and what happened but I'm not going to tell you :yes:
Maybe you need to revise the site rules. He cannot tell us what happened until it has been made public.

[phill-k]

Maybe you need to revise the site rules. He cannot tell us what happened until it has been made public.

My apologies I didn't realise it was ok to speculate as to what happened in these threads and to tell everyone "I know what happened" but its not ok to end speculation by setting out the actual facts of what happened.

In case you don't follow this post its a bit of sarcasm

[scumdog]

Bro, ignore Scummy.
If he's gotta make his first posts in this thread so juvenile in nature, he doesn't deserve the attention.
There's "wind-ups", (allegedly) his forte; and there's bad taste. In my view, his posts so far in this thread are the result of poor decision making.


Nice bite.......:whistle:

*Oh, and I for one don't see it as 'bad taste':blink:..anyhoo, lets get back on topic.....


*(or is that ME biting??)

[Latte]

I agree with both of you comments, was on ride and one of them was guy I ride with on day, so knowing what happened is funny reading some bitching, blaming, assuming, arguing... like no bikers but bunch of bitches with different opinion.
Hope for rider that survive well recovery.
RIP and condolences to family of passing rider.

Hope you're holding up ok, It can't be nice to be "involved" with a fatality. Tough way to spend the holiday period for all affected.

[Scouse]

I agree with both of you comments, was on ride and one of them was guy I ride with on day, so knowing what happened is funny reading some bitching, blaming, assuming, arguing... like no bikers but bunch of bitches with different opinion.
Hope for rider that survive well recovery.
RIP and condolences to family of passing rider.Not nice for you eh Din this must be the second time in a year you have had to see nastyness on the Coro loop, I hope you are not feeling too fucked up by this. stay strong.

[Katman]

Not nice for you eh Din this must be the second time in a year you have had to see nastyness on the Coro loop

I don't know why he keeps putting himself through it.

[jrandom]

http://www.asofterworld.com/clean/learn.jpg

[Ronin]

Police have released the name along with the statement to the effect that the dead rider is the innocent party...

[scumdog]

Police have released the name along with the statement to the effect that the dead rider is the innocent party...

Bummer.

That means the other party could do it again

[terbang]

A 48-year-old motorcyclist who died after a collision with another rider has been named by police as the holiday road toll rises to 11.

(Honda Rider), 48, of Auckland, was killed when his Honda motorcycle collided with a Suzuki motorcycle about 12.55pm yesterday on the winding SH25 which crosses the Coromandel Peninsula.

The police serious crash unit was still investigating but it appeared the Suzuki, ridden by a 31-year-old Auckland man, crossed the centre line on a corner, hitting (Honda Rider) head-on, Waikato police communications manager Andrew McAlley said.

The Suzuki rider was flown to Auckland's Starship Hospital in a critical condition.

This sort of accident baffles me. Two cars head on, car and motorcycle head on, but two motorcycles? It just doesn't make sense.

[Katman]

It just doesn't make sense.

Knowing that far too many motorcyclists treat the Coro Loop as a racetrack it all makes perfect sense.

[PirateJafa]

This sort of accident baffles me. Two cars head on, car and motorcycle head on, but two motorcycles? It just doesn't make sense.

Some asshole erroneously thinks he can go around a corner at warp speed nine, runs wide and into a oncoming vehicle. There's nothing unusual about it.

[slofox]

Some asshole erroneously thinks he can go around a corner at warp speed nine, runs wide and into a oncoming vehicle. There's nothing unusual about it.

Which is why I only ride the Coro loop in the off season...

[Bytor]

Some asshole erroneously thinks he can go around a corner at warp speed nine, runs wide and into a oncoming vehicle. There's nothing unusual about it.

Bang on mate. seen it countless times and I have even done it myself. However I lived to learn from my mistakes, someone else obviously hasn't.

[Katman]

However I lived to learn from my mistakes, someone else obviously hasn't.

At present it seems that this also is a case of someone living to learn from their mistake.

Unfortunately, the lesson cost the life of someone else.

[Quasievil]

Unfortunately, the lesson cost the life of someone else.


The lesson was already taught and will be taught countless more times yet
the Coro aint a track

[gammaguy]

Knowing that far too many motorcyclists treat the Coro Loop as a racetrack it all makes perfect sense.

like he says

perceived skill level exceeded by actual level required-result=crash

sadly some other road user paid the ultimate price for that scenario.

[PirateJafa]

Bang on mate. seen it countless times and I have even done it myself. However I lived to learn from my mistakes, someone else obviously hasn't.

Someone doing this is the reason I'm currently in a cast and had to spend Christmas Day in hospital being operated on. Think about that next time you decide to be a fucking tard on the road.

[matelect]

This sort of accident baffles me. Two cars head on, car and motorcycle head on, but two motorcycles? It just doesn't make sense.

You just have to live next to/by that road to see how it happens every Sunday of the year some bikes flying past at god knows what speeds
If all the cock in hand riders stopped treating it like a race track then there might not be so many near miss's or fatalities and then our volunteer husbands (firemen) would not have to go out after them and pick up the pieces when some one makes a mistake not nice
or the innocent party feeling bad because the biker had there bike leaned over and could not bring it back.
I ride and drive the loop and it is not dangerous it is awesome fun if you don't treat it like a race track
yes you have the dicks in there cars doing 30 ks in your way but the bikes are scarier on the wrong side of the road doing 120+

Sorry to the families for the losses but also before you race around the Coro loop think about the clean up crews if you cock up

[Blackbird]

This sort of accident baffles me. Two cars head on, car and motorcycle head on, but two motorcycles? It just doesn't make sense.

I live 5 minutes from the Coro Hill and go over it several times a week. Both cars and motorcycles crossing the centreline on near-blind bends because of poor situational awareness skills make up a fair percentage of the total traffic - I'm not joking either.

Got to agree with Matelect that it's not a dangerous road, just technically challenging.

[onearmedbandit]

I live 5 minutes from the Coro Hill and go over it several times a week. Both cars and motorcycles crossing the centreline on near-blind bends because of poor situational awareness skills make up a fair percentage of the total traffic - I'm not joking either.



It doesn't take 'poor situational awareness skills' to cross the centre line on blind bends, it takes being a fucking retard.

[Blackbird]

It doesn't take 'poor situational awareness skills' to cross the centre line on blind bends, it takes being a fucking retard.

Practically the same thing, OAB

[onearmedbandit]

Practically the same thing, OAB

Your method is more constructive.

[Coldrider]

The retarded bit happened 2 to 4 seconds before crossing the centre line, so some have problems connecting the dots, and some never will.

[onearmedbandit]

I realise some riders make mistakes and cross the centre line, that I would put down to a lack of skills. The riders that really fuck me off are the ones who choose to cross the centre line, for example to over take a car on a blind corner. They are the retards.

[rebel]

Gotta love all the hind sight expert wankers in here who have never over shot a corner, sped around blind corners, fucked up bike/vehicle placement blind corners on their SPORTS bikes.

[Coldrider]

Thanks for reminding me why I never ride North.

[PirateJafa]

Gotta love all the hind sight expert wankers in here who have never over shot a corner, sped around blind corners, fucked up bike/vehicle placement blind corners on their SPORTS bikes.

Yes, the road is a great place to test out the response time of our medical services.

[Naki Rat]

This sort of accident baffles me. Two cars head on, car and motorcycle head on, but two motorcycles? It just doesn't make sense.

A friend's son who returned from Coro today was in the area and it would seem from all accounts that an overtaking bike met another oncoming bike near the centreline on a bend.

[onearmedbandit]

Gotta love all the hind sight expert wankers in here who have never over shot a corner, sped around blind corners, fucked up bike/vehicle placement blind corners on their SPORTS bikes.

I never claimed I haven't fucked anything up whilst riding. In fact I have a permanent reminder lol. But I can't understand why anyone would overtake on a blind bend.

(Not that I'm insinuating that's what happened in this accident whatsoever. I'm just making a general comment)

[Taz]

Because they are a rebel that's why.

[hellokitty]

Gotta love all the hind sight expert wankers in here who have never over shot a corner, sped around blind corners, fucked up bike/vehicle placement blind corners on their SPORTS bikes.

:Oops:
I call it an "oh shit" moment, and this is why I haven't ridden the Coro loop and probably won't for a long time - because I don't want to have an "oh shit" moment there!

[pc220]

:Oops:
I call it an "oh shit" moment, and this is why I haven't ridden the Coro loop and probably won't for a long time - because I don't want to have an "oh shit" moment there!

I dont do the coro loop because I dont want to meet up with a Lorenzo wannabe having an "oh shit" moment.

[Corse1]

Bang on mate. seen it countless times and I have even done it myself. However I lived to learn from my mistakes, someone else obviously hasn't.

Yep followed riders through there who have gone over the centre line. SURE FREAKS YOU OUT in those split seconds waiting for something coming the other way. I don't ride with those people any more.

RIP rider

[Corse1]

Gotta love all the hind sight expert wankers in here who have never over shot a corner, sped around blind corners, fucked up bike/vehicle placement blind corners on their SPORTS bikes.

Yep and have done so also. Not for a long time as I learnt the lesson real quick. The guys I used to ride with were 200kph on the straignhts and never learnt to go round corners or realise where they were at skill wise

[Lord Pac]

The lesson was already taught and will be taught countless more times yet
the Coro aint a track


Oath.

Experienced first hand...

[PrincessBandit]

The lesson was already taught and will be taught countless more times yet...


Yeah, but the lesson has to be LEARNT - teaching ("taught) counts for diddely squat if the lesson ain't going into the brain and staying there.

I was going to ride it this week, thinking that midweek will be quieter than weekends but I'm not so sure now.

[bandit_girl]

My thoughts and prayers are with their families and friends.

[paulmac]

My thoughts and prayers are with their families and friends.

Exactly, my sentiments too !.

[Grubber]

Went for a stroll over to Hahei on New Years day. It was busy both ways. Ride along with the traffic both there and back on my sports bike. Didn't have too many problems at all. It's not somewhere i ride as a general rule due to the racers that frequent the road, just went to visit friends camping. Plenty of other spots that provide good riding and safe riding.
Condolences to family and friends.
Not something i like to hear n matter who was at fault at the time.

[vifferman]

I was driving on that piece of road yesterday, and have the following observations (not necessarily related to the fatality). Firstly, we were travelling in the other direction to a number of bikers, all of whom were riding on the centreline with their heads well over onto our side of the road, on a very narrow stretch of road. Crap skills, guys. Later on, we were travelling back towards Thames and a trio of bikers on sports machines whizzed past in the other direction. I can't say for sure if they were speeding, but the average speed of cars was around 50-60km/h, the road was very crowded and narrow, and they were obviously travelling a lot faster than everyone else (all holiday traffic), and obviously "going for a bit of a fang". Very inappropriate time and place to do so, guys.

[98tls]

I can't say for sure if they were speeding, but the average speed of cars was around 50-60km/h, the road was very crowded and narrow, and they were obviously travelling a lot faster than everyone else (all holiday traffic), and obviously "going for a bit of a fang". Very inappropriate time and place to do so, guys. This isnt directed at you V or for that matter nobody in particular but ive seen plenty of similar threads to this in my time on here and am picking there will be plenty more after im gone,bloke goes and buys any one of the latest or thereabouts sports bikes ranging from 600 upwards with really only one purpose in mind (if not going to be a trackbike) and thats to find any one of the hundreds of bits of road similar to the one in question the length of the country and spend an adrenalin filled day on said sportsbike,no amount of safety campaiging or discussion will ever change it as most believe they have either more ability or experience than those they read about who have met an untimely end.As long as theres bikes built to go hard down twisty roads and blokes able to buy them believing there riding ability matches the bike then this will carry on.Not excluding myself from such actions as in my time ive had my share of close calls and worse,but by the grace of God or whatever the saying is i am still here.

[scumdog]

This isnt directed at you V or for that matter nobody in particular but ive seen plenty of similar threads to this in my time on here and am picking there will be plenty more after im gone,bloke goes and buys any one of the latest or thereabouts sports bikes ranging from 600 upwards with really only one purpose in mind (if not going to be a trackbike) and thats to find any one of the hundreds of bits of road similar to the one in question the length of the country and spend an adrenalin filled day on said sportsbike,no amount of safety campaiging or discussion will ever change it as most believe they have either more ability or experience than those they read about who have met an untimely end.As long as theres bikes built to go hard down twisty roads and blokes able to buy them believing there riding ability matches the bike then this will carry on.Not excluding myself from such actions as in my time ive had my share of close calls and worse,but by the grace of God or whatever the saying is i am still here.

The crucial thing Mike is time and place.

And this public holiday weekend with a kajillion other road users on that road did not fit the criteria for a 'good idea'.:no:

[98tls]

The crucial thing Mike is time and place.

And this public holiday weekend with a kajillion other road users on that road did not fit the criteria for a 'good idea'.:no:

Absolutely correct mate but lets face it this stuff happens every weekend.Ive never yet ridden with anyone who said "be safer this weekend to go hard its not a holiday weekend".We live in a i want it and i want it now world with no thought to anything but having it,may i just add that we also to a fair degree live in a world where for many image is everything so the latest 600 wont do its got to be a 1000 etc,the fact that even the 600s have far more ability than many riders will ever have doesnt even enter into the buying equation.

[Tink]

:Oops:
I call it an "oh shit" moment, and this is why I haven't ridden the Coro loop and probably won't for a long time - because I don't want to have an "oh shit" moment there!


I dont do the coro loop because I dont want to meet up with a Lorenzo wannabe having an "oh shit" moment.

Rode to the Mount today from Auckland, traffic was moderate, and good on the way thru, apart from one 20 somthing Mercedes driver doing 20km thru the gorge. That is as close to the coro I will get on any bike.

RIP Possibly a father, definitely a friend, more than likely a partner, most importantly a person... why do so many disrespect human life.

[hellokitty]

Rode to the Mount today from Auckland, traffic was moderate, and good on the way thru, apart from one 20 somthing Mercedes driver doing 20km thru the gorge. That is as close to the coro I will get on any bike.

RIP Possibly a father, definitely a friend, more than likely a partner, most importantly a person... why do so many disrespect human life.

Why indeed? Someone will be crying for him...... lets face it, it could happen to any of us.

[Gone Burger]

I have been travelling through the North Island for the past 16 days on my bike, and was heading out of the Coromandel just before this happened.

Have never ridden out there before and it was a truely horrendiuos ride. The worst ride in I have ever had, and pretty much the same coming out the next day.

ABSOLUTE Chaos at this time of year. Went up to stay with a friend for the night on my travels and won't be doing that again peak season.

Turned up rather stressed at Cooks Beach - drivers and riders were all very unpredictable, very very full roads, and some incredible STUPID people mostly behind the wheels of their cars. Had a couple of close calls myself with cars on my side of the road round blind corners.

RIP to the fallen rider. I am so saddened to hear this news, and its very scary to think I was on these roads myself at the same time it happened. Thoughts are with the family and friends of this person. A messy time on our roads - believe me I have seen some utter madness these past 2.5 weeks.

Ride safe people... live to ride another road.

[ynot slow]

The deceased will have family and mates mourning him,also the instigator will be thinking shit I've killed a fellow biker,could any of us feel any worse knowing that,whilst in hospital(assuming he survives according to news).

I know we hate the police propoganda on 4km tolerance,but maybe,just maybe had people been riding to the speed this may not happen?Maybe also not riding above your limits is paramount.

Hell I did Forgotten Highway last Thursday,couple of times went over centreline(but could see ahead,not blind corners)and if in doubt slowed,think it took about 90 mins riding to Whanga from Taumaranui,the idea was enjoy the scenery,weather and ride.

[Spearfish]

think it took about 90 mins riding to Whanga from Taumaranui,the idea was enjoy the scenery,weather and ride.

What a novel idea!!
Your lucky, you probably found that out a long while ago.

[MSTRS]

I dont do the coro loop because I dont want to meet up with a Lorenzo wannabe having an "oh shit" moment.
Oh Shit moments can happen on any road at any time. That said, why would anyone want to ride the Coro during holiday season?


RIP Possibly a father, definitely a friend, more than likely a partner, most importantly a person... why do so many disrespect human life.


Why indeed? Someone will be crying for him...... lets face it, it could happen to any of us.

The dead rider was apparently innocent of wrong-doing. No-one is 'disrespecting' him, are they?

[Jantar]

...I know we hate the police propoganda on 4km tolerance,but maybe,just maybe had people been riding to the speed this may not happen?Maybe also not riding above your limits is paramount.
....

I missed this point, what speed were they doing at the point of collission?

[Blackbird]

I missed this point, what speed were they doing at the point of collission?

Malcolm,
From the brief bit of footage I saw on TV, it appeared to be at the bottom of the Coro Hill on the eastern side, still in the twisties. Exceeding the open road speed limit at that point may be significantly less of a factor than crossing the centreline but anything is simply speculation until the police report is released.

[ynot slow]

I missed this point, what speed were they doing at the point of collission?

Stating the obvious according to propoganda by high brass,re excuse to lower tolerances only.Not implying the guys were speeding myself,but the news on tv did say the officer in charge indicated speed was a factor.And given the nature of the road,and as others way more informed than me have said about the road,it IS treated as a racetrack.

My point is did I care the tolerance was lower.No I still rode at 110km enjoyed the ride with a mate for 300km,no major issues as such,except for the retard on a motard on Arapuni Rd very close to centreline,but I was never going to collide with him.

[Usarka]

We got passed by about 4 cop cars obviously on the way to this incident. The cop in the maroon plain clothes vehicle was doing the worst overtaking I've ever seen including overtaking on blind corners.

Even with lights on (which were *very* hard to see maybe due to brightness of the day or colour contrast of the car or whatever), lights don't do much around corners.


(RIP and condalances)

[bsasuper]

Went for a little tootle this morning and the popo are out in force with speed traps aplenty, using their wisdom to stop more of this happening.Can only hope people keep cool and there is no more sad news.

[Jantar]

..... Exceeding the open road speed limit at that point may be significantly less of a factor than crossing the centreline .....


....Not implying the guys were speeding myself,but the news on tv did say the officer in charge indicated speed was a factor......

Thankyou both. I have only been over that piece of road a couple of times, and only once in daylight. My thoughts were that it didn't matter if the enforcement was was to be at only 5km over the limit as it is very unlikely that either were actually at the limit in those twisty sections.

Of course speed was a factor as if there was no speed involved then they wouldn't even be moving. That doesn't presuppose that either rider was exceeding any arbitary speed limit, just that one may have been too fast for the conditions or for his own ability.

[MSTRS]

Of course speed was a factor as if there was no speed involved then they wouldn't even be moving. That doesn't presuppose that either rider was exceeding any arbitary speed limit, just that one may have been too fast for the conditions or for his own ability.

Correct. But the dumbed-down message for the braindead out there (most of 'em?) is 'speed = bad'. Adding the word 'inappropriate' is just too much for the collective braincell to process...

[Spearfish]

Correct. But the dumbed-down message for the braindead out there (most of 'em?) is 'speed = bad'. Adding the word 'inappropriate' is just too much for the collective braincell to process...

Speed wont be a problem for the rider who committed vehicular homicide, maybe consequence will kick him as hard as it kicked his victim, who knows?

Plenty of my and your money will go into patching him up and send him on his way and rightly so, shyt the rights of the murdering fuck is what we protested for aye?
Like fuck it did!!

[terbang]

I have to agree, cross the centreline and take someone out. You killed them!

[crazyhorse]

We were up there the day before, and the weather was lovely

My thoughts to all concerned for their loss :hug:

[Shaun]

Exactly, my sentiments too !.

+1 to that

[Tink]

Oh Shit moments can happen on any road at any time. That said, why would anyone want to ride the Coro during holiday season?




The dead rider was apparently innocent of wrong-doing. No-one is 'disrespecting' him, are they?

That is not what I mean, it was a generalization, not saying anyone was at fault, thats not my way! EDIT: I feel for both riders... no accident is blameless, how do two vehicles collide on two seperate lanes, they don't someone had to make a mistake, and that was it ... a mistake sadly!

[MSTRS]

But there was fault. If the cock stayed within his skills and lane, the other rider wouldn't have been killed and this thread wouldn't exist.

[marty]

how do we know the alleged offending rider didn't have a blow out, or a bee sting, or a heart attack, and lose control while travelling at or below the speed limit?

[ynot slow]

But there was fault. If the cock stayed within his skills and lane, the other rider wouldn't have been killed and this thread wouldn't exist.

And he'll live with that if he survives(brain injuries excluded and remembers).At Okoroire pub,a group of guys left on harleys,most still there commented about an accident waiting,a couple on a cruiser arrived about 10 mins later,we got talking to them about shit,and they said yep,they came around a right hand corner to find 3 bikes wide in correct lane and another in their lane just missing them.The cruiser guy(about mid 50's)could see them coming towards him as he rode down a hill,so slowed and kept left in his lane.

Who knows with the hot weather,later nights combined with a few beers the body gets dehydrated,the reflexes get slower,so you may think I'm in my lane but a bird flies out,swerve a bit,next moment crash,maybe a little bin,maybe you die.

[doc]

You trolling.This is KB. Assumption = fact :yes:

[blackdog]

But there was fault. If the cock stayed within his skills and lane, the other rider wouldn't have been killed and this thread wouldn't exist.

another assumption at this stage i'm afraid. until you have read an accident investigation report, or were there, you are completely unqualified to rule out environmental factors or mechanical failure.

only when we are able to state with certainty that it was solely caused by the rider should we be attributing blame.

[blackdog]

how do we know the alleged offending rider didn't have a blow out, or a bee sting, or a heart attack, and lose control while travelling at or below the speed limit?

my point exactly. you just beat me to it

[Owl]

how do we know the alleged offending rider didn't have a blow out, or a bee sting, or a heart attack, and lose control while travelling at or below the speed limit?

We don't, but since when has that stopped the KB clan:whistle:

[MSTRS]

another assumption at this stage i'm afraid. until you have read an accident investigation report, or were there, you are completely unqualified to rule out environmental factors or mechanical failure.

only when we are able to state with certainty that it was solely caused by the rider should we be attributing blame.

True. But the reports I have seen quote cops saying he was overtaking another vehicle on that corner...

[blackdog]

True. But the reports I have seen quote cops saying he was overtaking another vehicle on that corner...

if that does turn out to be the case then string him up

i'm still a fan of innocent until proven guilty until all the evidence is available.

having said that, i've never heard of the cops jumping the gun or being mis-quoted :gob:

[scumdog]

... or being mis-quoted :gob:

Nope, 100% accurate reporting and no sensationalising is my experience with the media too...:rolleyes:

[doc]

True. But the reports I have seen quote cops saying he was overtaking another vehicle on that corner...

But the cops always get it wrong according to Kb

[Quasievil]

This thread is stoopid and pointless :yes:

[scumdog]

This thread is stoopid and pointless :yes:

Hmmmmm, so are a shitload of other threads on KB.

But that is KB for ya!

[terbang]

Well if it gets people thinking about how they next ride Coro, then it isn't entirely pointless.

[Scouse]

That is not what I mean, it was a generalization, not saying anyone was at fault, thats not my way! EDIT: I feel for both riders... no accident is blameless, how do two vehicles collide on two seperate lanes, they don't someone had to make a mistake, and that was it ... a mistake sadly!I would'nt worry about it Tink he is a retard and most peoples posts get lost in his own little translation. even guilty of contradicting himself.

[phill-k]

Definition of accident - •An accident is a specific, identifiable, unexpected, unusual and unintended external action which occurs in a particular time and place, without apparent or deliberate cause but with marked effects

In the case of the killed / murdered rider his was an accident although he may have mitigated that by not riding to the conditions - or staying of a crowded mad road.

The surviving rider / killer / murderer, his situation may also have been an accident although how often do we see the results of the police investigation showing circumstances beyond control - mechanical failure or some such. I'd bet we will see it was his stupidity that caused this.

The police campaign on speed will never work, because if you look at the holiday deaths many of them are the result of brain dead drivers / parents / Darwinists.

[steve_t]

Definition of accident - •An accident is a specific, identifiable, unexpected, unusual and unintended external action which occurs in a particular time and place, without apparent or deliberate cause but with marked effects

In the case of the killed / murdered rider his was an accident although he may have mitigated that by not riding to the conditions - or staying of a crowded mad road.

The surviving rider / killer / murderer, his situation may also have been an accident although how often do we see the results of the police investigation showing circumstances beyond control - mechanical failure or some such. I'd bet we will see it was his stupidity that caused this.

The police campaign on speed will never work, because if you look at the holiday deaths many of them are the result of brain dead drivers / parents / Darwinists.

LOL. U copied and pasted the definition of accident, but didn't bother to look up definition of murder :shutup:

[phill-k]

LOL. U copied and pasted the definition of accident, but didn't bother to look up definition of murder :shutup:

I'm not much concerned in the legal definition, but taking someones life through your own testosterone fueled tight nuts might be by some deemed an accident but you are in control of your right wrist so in my eyes its murder, nothing less.

Read an article to-day where they were talking about mandatory prison sentencing for people that don't stop for the police, at long last if its true perhaps we will begin to get on top of the fucktards in this country who disrespect my rights to travel on our roads safely. Add to this assault on a police officer and perhaps we might as a country be seen to actually support these guys.

My point of the post was we need to stop calling these road homicides accidents and accept them for what they really are

[DIN PELENDA]

Fuck you bitches still going on !!!

[phill-k]

Fuck you bitches still going on !!!

Your signature sums it up mate, through probable stupidity the mans breath was surely taken away.

[steve_t]

I'm not much concerned in the legal definition, but taking someones life through your own testosterone fueled tight nuts might be by some deemed an accident but you are in control of your right wrist so in my eyes its murder, nothing less.

Read an article to-day where they were talking about mandatory prison sentencing for people that don't stop for the police, at long last if its true perhaps we will begin to get on top of the fucktards in this country who disrespect my rights to travel on our roads safely. Add to this assault on a police officer and perhaps we might as a country be seen to actually support these guys.

My point of the post was we need to stop calling these road homicides accidents and accept them for what they really are

I think you'll find there's already a term - vehicular manslaughter. BUT I agree with your sentiment. As others have said before, we need to change the view of our licences making it more clear that having a licence is a privilege and not a right. In saying this, how many people are on Motorway Patrol etc driving without licences at all or disqualified?!

[reemit]

My point of the post was we need to stop calling these road homicides accidents and accept them for what they really are

'dangerous driving causing death' or 'manslaughter'.

[DIN PELENDA]

You trolling.This is KB. Assumption = fact :yes:


another assumption at this stage i'm afraid. until you have read an accident investigation report, or were there, you are completely unqualified to rule out environmental factors or mechanical failure.

only when we are able to state with certainty that it was solely caused by the rider should we be attributing blame.


We don't, but since when has that stopped the KB clan:whistle:


Speed wont be a problem for the rider who committed vehicular homicide, maybe consequence will kick him as hard as it kicked his victim, who knows?

Plenty of my and your money will go into patching him up and send him on his way and rightly so, shyt the rights of the murdering fuck is what we protested for aye?
Like fuck it did!!

Hi Spearfish STFU !!! If you not there why making assumptions and call someone murder.

[phill-k]

Hi Spearfish STFU !!! If you not there why making assumptions and call someone murder.

If I was a gambling man I'd put my money on Spearfishes determination, how often have you heard of a motorcycle "accident" being blamed on mechanical failure in the last five years, as apposed to fucktards riding beyond their skills if in fact they even had any.

[Tink]

Plenty of testiness around here... make like a lady and leave you boys to it.

Din "take care" it can't be easy!

[igor]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10697765

[DIN PELENDA]

OK even serious crash unit is making assumption by saying "it look like one of bikers", It was not tight corner (there was some before that and after that corner) but more of sweeper so in my judgment it was good place to pass car that were going way below speed limit so speed was not factor, OK one was passing car (number of time I pass car with out crossing center line). I'm not blaming or protecting anyone as I new both of riders but it was one of freaky accident and both riders meet in middle of road, Mark bike did not cross center line but his body was close or over center line, it is not for me or you guys to decide who fault is it, leave to SCU to decide. Other guy wont learn from it as he wont even remember what happened as he is got head and lot of other injures, he be lucky (or unlucky) to be alive. http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/holiday-road-toll-climbs-11-3990347

[BoristheBiter]

But there was fault. If the cock stayed within his skills and lane, the other rider wouldn't have been killed and this thread wouldn't exist.

Let he without sin throw the first stone.

We all at sometime have fucked up, had that arse puckering moment when things could go really bad real fast but don't.

If you are that great a rider that you have never made a mistake while riding then you should go join a racing team if not then you really do need to look at what you have said in you post.

[Argyle]

Choose your places to hammer the road, the coro loop is not the place during holiday season...

R.I.P, Condolences to whoever his peers might be...

[oldrider]

Sadness aside, my anonymous reaction was "shit, not another bloody nail in our ACC coffin"! :facepalm:

Wake up motorcyclists FFS wake up! :doh:

[Spearfish]

Hi Spearfish STFU !!! If you not there why making assumptions and call someone murder.

If the survivor was your mate then I can understand your point of view.
Maybe something unique did happen to him and he had absolutely no way of correcting it or his attempt at correction went very wrong.
Like you say the experts will piece it together. Maybe it was just a happenstance.


Funny how many of the serious crash unit members ride and ride often, you have to wonder why considering they work and study so many of the hideous results of so-called victims of circumstance.
I don't know about you but that gives me some confidence.

[marty]

i've hosed and picked up, quite frankly, too much brain material and blood off the road from bikers who have run out of skill/luck/stupidity, yet i still ride.

Admittedly i have toned down the cc capacity, but that was more of a cost issue than anything.

it's just the way it is.

[yungatart]

If you are that great a rider that you have never made a mistake while riding then you should go join a racing team if not then you really do need to look at what you have said in you post.

Since when did being a "good rider" equate with being a "fast rider"?
There are plenty of 'fast' riders who lack skill and plenty of 'good' riders who are not necessarily racing material.

Somebody fucked up (for whatever reason), someone is dead and someone else is fighting for their life as a result of that.

It doesn't portray riding in a good light, does it?

[mokomoa]

The ammount of bikes and cars etc crossing the centre line is out of control!
EVERY1, BIKES ESPECIALLY STAY THE FUCK LEFT!

Fuck this has always fuckin pissed me off.

[Shaun]

There is a man Dead, and another extremmelly hurt!!!!!!


Why do you folk have to get on here Type what you think about it

[MSTRS]

OK even serious crash unit is making assumption by saying "it look like one of bikers", It was not tight corner (there was some before that and after that corner) but more of sweeper so in my judgment it was good place to pass car that were going way below speed limit so speed was not factor, OK one was passing car (number of time I pass car with out crossing center line). I'm not blaming or protecting anyone as I new both of riders but it was one of freaky accident and both riders meet in middle of road, Mark bike did not cross center line but his body was close or over center line, it is not for me or you guys to decide who fault is it, leave to SCU to decide.
I'm not quite following you here. Are you saying that both riders were on the centreline? The rider who was killed was therefore running a tight line in a right-hander (for him) and the other rider was lanesplitting? How open a sweeper could the corner be, if one or both of the riders couldn't see approaching vehicles?


Let he without sin throw the first stone.

We all at sometime have fucked up, had that arse puckering moment when things could go really bad real fast but don't.

If you are that great a rider that you have never made a mistake while riding then you should go join a racing team if not then you really do need to look at what you have said in you post.
You're right. I've done some stupid shit too. Not looking where I was going was the only one that saw me involved in a prang, so maybe I've just been lucky when I've made a cock-up other times. Whatever - I was responsible for those cock-ups, no-one else, and I'd like to think that recognising that makes me a better rider by not repeating the same kind of cock-up twice. And no, it doesn't make me a candidate for racing...I'm slow in those terms. Chances are, I will make some sort of cock-up in the future too - despite everything I've learned I don't know it all.


Choose your places to hammer the road, the coro loop is not the place during holiday season...

Absolutely. But no-one is saying that 'hammering' is what was going on...just bad roadcraft.

[blackdog]

Read an article to-day where they were talking about mandatory prison sentencing for people that don't stop for the police, at long last if its true perhaps we will begin to get on top of......

another 'abandoned' chase this morning resulting in fatality

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4512516/Teen-dead-after-fleeing-police

[scumdog]

another 'abandoned' chase this morning resulting in fatality

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4512516/Teen-dead-after-fleeing-police


Ah, Darwin claiming another fuckwit, (a thieving one at that) shit, he must have quite a collection by now...

[miloking]

There is a man Dead, and another extremmelly hurt!!!!!!


Why do you folk have to get on here Type what you think about it

Umm...maybe just because we are all on online discusion forum about motorcycling ...just maybe, or any other ideas?

[Ronin]

There is a man Dead, and another extremmelly hurt!!!!!!


Why do you folk have to get on here Type what you think about it

Why not? I have yet to see a post about the deceased that was disrepectful. The squid that lived however...

[Ronin]

Umm...maybe just because we are all on online discusion forum about motorcycling ...just maybe, or any other ideas?

Fuck it... I hate it when I agree with you.

[Swoop]

We got passed by about 4 cop cars obviously on the way to this incident. The cop in the maroon plain clothes vehicle was doing the worst overtaking I've ever seen including overtaking on blind corners.

Even with lights on (which were *very* hard to see maybe due to brightness of the day or colour contrast of the car or whatever), lights don't do much around corners.

Crap driving kills. Hopefully the retards in power will realise this at some stage and get rid of the "speed kills" bullshit.

[Ronin]

Crap driving kills. Hopefully the retards in power will realise this at some stage and get rid of the "speed kills" bullshit.

Based on the evidence it is flashing lights that kill.

[oldrider]

another 'abandoned' chase this morning resulting in fatality

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4512516/Teen-dead-after-fleeing-police

If someone had stolen my bike car or truck, that probably is the result I would be most pleased with!

I would feel bad for their relatives and loved ones but somehow pleased with the demise of the offender because had he/she lived, they would just simply do it again to someone else!

That's what this stupid bloody PC bullshit world of ours is producing, a population that is descending in attitude to the offenders level of insensitivity! :sick:

Funny thing is, the only ones who can change it back to the way we think it should be, is us!

Will we do it? ..... Not on your fucking Nellie! ..... We will just blame someone else! :brick:

[scumdog]

Based on the evidence it is flashing lights that kill.

Nah, it's failing to get out of the way of said lights that kills....:whistle:

[Mental Trousers]

Thread locked for a while by request from surviving riders family (reason for request: 100% of the speculation here is 98% full of shit/wrong).

You people should go and do something useful instead.