Suspended licence 28 days - Question regarding a possible defence?

[blackbobcat]

Ok so the other night (Wednesday - 9:30pm) i was pulled over doing 114kph in a 50 zone.

Yeah i was speeding... i know it... was just in a hurry to get home... dont really have an excuse.

Anyway the cop was coming the other way and picked up my speed but i was over the hill and long gone before he even had a chance to put his lights on... but i knew i had been caught... so i pulled over and waited for him to show up... bout 10 seconds later he flys over the rise... expecting to have a chase on his hands but guess it was his lucky day...

anyway he gets out of the car and the first thing he says is "i appreciate the fact that you pulled over" cause we both knew i cold have floored it and been gone before he even got turned around (i ride a Kawasaki ZX-10R - Ex Track Bike)

he then goes on to tell me that ive lost my licence for doing 114 in a 50 zone etc etc etc... tells me that at that speed i have had my licence suspended for 28 days and that i can expect to recieve a court summons in relation to the charges...

he let me ride my bike home though....

Now this is where it gets interesting... during the conversation he said that his radar picked me up doing 114Kph... but he didnt have time to lock the speed into the radar machine so he couldnt produce that slip of paper they can print out or show me the speed on the radar... he said that he didnt have to... he said that he only had to observe it...

Does anyone know if this is correct and is this a possible way to avoid conviction at my court summons... i thought the police officer had to be able to prove the speed...

also the police officer didnt specify what charges i would be up for... careless or dangerous driving or is there a seperate conviction just related to speed??

final question: i have never been convicted/ been to court before... havent had a speeding ticket in over a year i think... any idea in the likely hood of getting diversion or discharged without conviction or just a fine with no disqualification from driving??

ive got a lawyer but im just waiting for him to return my call regarding an appt

any assistance would be appreciated

Thanks :)

[FJRider]

so ...when you get to court ... it's his word against yours ...

now ... any ideas as to whom the judge will believe ... ???

[blackbobcat]

SORRY IM NEW AND I HAD THIS THREAD IN THE WRONG PLACE:

Ok so the other night (Wednesday - 9:30pm) i was pulled over doing 114kph in a 50 zone.

Yeah i was speeding... i know it... was just in a hurry to get home... dont really have an excuse.

Anyway the cop was coming the other way and picked up my speed but i was over the hill and long gone before he even had a chance to put his lights on... but i knew i had been caught... so i pulled over and waited for him to show up... bout 10 seconds later he flys over the rise... expecting to have a chase on his hands but guess it was his lucky day...

anyway he gets out of the car and the first thing he says is "i appreciate the fact that you pulled over" cause we both knew i cold have floored it and been gone before he even got turned around (i ride a Kawasaki ZX-10R - Ex Track Bike)

he then goes on to tell me that ive lost my licence for doing 114 in a 50 zone etc etc etc... tells me that at that speed i have had my licence suspended for 28 days and that i can expect to recieve a court summons in relation to the charges...

he let me ride my bike home though....

Now this is where it gets interesting... during the conversation he said that his radar picked me up doing 114Kph... but he didnt have time to lock the speed into the radar machine so he couldnt produce that slip of paper they can print out or show me the speed on the radar... he said that he didnt have to... he said that he only had to observe it...

Does anyone know if this is correct and is this a possible way to avoid conviction at my court summons... i thought the police officer had to be able to prove the speed...

also the police officer didnt specify what charges i would be up for... careless or dangerous driving or is there a seperate conviction just related to speed??

final question: i have never been convicted/ been to court before... havent had a speeding ticket in over a year i think... any idea in the likely hood of getting diversion or discharged without conviction or just a fine with no disqualification from driving??

ive got a lawyer but im just waiting for him to return my call regarding an appt

any assistance would be appreciated

Thanks

[blackbobcat]

sorry ive just resalised ive posted this in the wrong section... ive moved it to General: Bike Law and politics.

Sorry :)

[Voltaire]

Firstly I'd not be admitting on an open forum that I was caught fair and square, giving the type of bike I ride and that I work as medic at the naval base....:innocent:

[SMOKEU]

Dude, it's your stupid fault for stopping in the first place. If he was driving towards you, then he wouldn't have seen your plate. You should have just kept on riding if you thought you could get away with it.

[blackbobcat]

Yeah.. regretting pulling over now... should have kept going...

but sadly whats done is done... cant change that.

[dino3310]

Now this is where it gets interesting... during the conversation he said that his radar picked me up doing 114Kph... but he didnt have time to lock the speed into the radar machine so he couldnt produce that slip of paper they can print out or show me the speed on the radar... he said that he didnt have to... he said that he only had to observe it...
Does anyone know if this is correct and is this a possible way to avoid conviction at my court summons... i thought the police officer had to be able to prove the speed...
also the police officer didnt specify what charges i would be up for... careless or dangerous driving or is there a seperate conviction just related to speed??

ive got a lawyer but im just waiting for him to return my call regarding an appt


Thanks :)

My thoughts are that a lawyer should get you of it, i would contest it and protest it hard back at them,
if he didnt lock it in thats his fuck up, my old man got done for 137 in a 100km zone but the cop saw him at 167 but didnt lock it in fast enough so the old man only got done for 137..
i would fight it....
your a dick for going that fast in a 50 anyway:laugh:

[blackbobcat]

sweet thanks for the advice....

yeah i know... ive been called worse though... still was surprised to find a cop with his radar on in the suburbs at 9 30 on a Wed nite...

but thanks for the advice... ill get my lawyer onto it...

[SMOKEU]

your a dick for going that fast in a 50 anyway:laugh:

He probably didn't even get a chance to get out of 1st gear at that nanna pace!

[Spearfish]

Be careful defending your case unless your are really really sure of your stance, judges are lifting the punishment for trying the "get off if I'm lucky defence". Its probably a spin off from the boi racers so community service is in flavour at the moment if your not honest.
With your lawyer, remember their aren't many houses selling so bread and butter jobs are in short supply, you could get one that's keen for you to go not guilty.

[Max Preload]

He doesn't have to lock it in order to isssue you an infringement offence notice or as in your case a traffic offence notice - in fact, he would find it difficult to lock a bike travelling at speed among vehicles that are a larger microwave signature such as trucks and cars etc (due to both physical size and distance to the patrol) as only the strongest signal can be display locked.

If you deny the offence at a defended hearing he will likely win unless you cough up for a very expensive lawyer. Not only did you foolishly stop and wait for him, I have no doubt you'll have at some point in the conversation admitted the offence, which will have been recorded in his notes. When he asks "Do you know how fast you were going?" he's not asking if you realise it was silly and therefore will give you a warning instead because you're a nice honest chap - he's offering you the opportunity to bang another nail in the coffin of your license.

Next time, fuck off at warp 10 (not that girly 114 in a 50! You'll have to watch that your handbag doesn't become entangled in the throttle). You can always claim you didn't see him if he does catch you up...

[awayatc]

only pursuit if cop follows you.........with disco lights on

Stopping and waiting for ticket is what you did....
So why complain now?

[The Baron]

Sorry to hear your news. Bummer.

I just wanted to say, good on you for stopping. You did the crime and you did man up! There is honor in that.

So I'm pleased that we didn't hear about this on the news as another police chase that someone was killed.

It's still a bummer.
Best of luck with the judge.

[davereid]

114 in a 50 km/hr zone...

I accept there are some zones that are badly placed and should be 100 km/hr zones.

But it sounds here like this zone deserved to be a 50 km/hr zone.

At 9.30 the light is fading, but kids will still be playing, there will be joggers, pedestrians and dog walkers out.

They expect to be able to cross the road safely by applying judgment based on vehicles approaching at 50 km/hr.

There is no excuse for doing those kinds of speeds in those kinds of places.

[Katman]

114 in a 50 km/hr zone...

I accept there are some zones that are badly placed and should be 100 km/hr zones.

But it sounds here like this zone deserved to be a 50 km/hr zone.

At 9.30 the light is fading, but kids will still be playing, there will be joggers, pedestrians and dog walkers out.

They expect to be able to cross the road safely by applying judgment based on vehicles approaching at 50 km/hr.

There is no excuse for doing those kinds of speeds in those kinds of places.

Don't forget, approaching a blind brow.

[rastuscat]

The policy says that if the reading is available to be shown, it should be shown. In this case, it wasn't available, so he didn't have to show it. The Popo will be giving evidence that your speed came as such a surprise that he didn't have time to lock it.

I regularly get policy quoted to me that doesn't exist. I know the policies, as I have to. I also know the development of the policies, and their historical background and context. And still I get spotty faced irks quoting policy to me that I know to be wrong. Most often, people have a brief knowledge of the policy, and quote it to me without knowing that it is only partly true.

E.g. I had a woman recently complain about me writing her a ticket for not producing her licence. She was getting a speeding ticket, and I also wrote her for not producing. She advised me that she would be speaking to her high ranking Police friends and that I was wrong, that she'd get off and I'd be in trouble. Steve Fitzgerald (RIP) was the Road Policing boss when it was made mandatory to carry a drivers licence. He told us that if we randomly stop someone for, say, breath testing, and they don't have their licence, they get a warning, as long as checks show that they have a licence. But if someone is stopped for a traffic offence, they get the ticket they were originally stopped for, and the ticket for not producing the licence.

I quote this merely as an example of people espousing partly correct policy. They quote the part that suits them.

Anyway, it's better if the cop has the reading to show you, but not fatal to his case if he doesn't.

One law that doesn't vary with policy is the law of physics. Not a good idea to do that speed in such circumstances, but at least you've acknowledged that. Maybe you'll get a summons for Dangerous Driving (nil diversion available) or maybe it'll just be exceeding 50 km/h. Depends on the cop and the road/traffic/weather/visibility. Time, place and circumstances, really.

Also notable is that policy is not law. Him breaking policy (if he had) would not make it okay that you broke the law. The courts would likely convict you anyway.

Donuts.

[mattian]

Yeah.. regretting pulling over now... should have kept going...

but sadly whats done is done... cant change that.

I'm giving you credit where credits due. In a world where personal responsibilty for ones actions is a foreign concept for most people, you owned up, and did the right thing by pulling over.
You fucked up, but, hey... who hasn't?. Unfortunately you got caught. I reckon just suck it up and take your punishment like a man. Lesson learned. Put it behind you.

[Taz]

Slow down rossi! Did you really need to get home 2 minutes earlier? The time it took to have a chat on the side of the road with the popo you still would have made it home faster at 50kph. You're screwed.

WTF did you stop?? :lol:

[Kickaha]

I just wanted to say, good on you for stopping. You did the crime and you did man up! There is honor in that.

He didn't really man up though, as now even though he admits his guilt he's trying to weasel his way out of it

[p.dath]

You'll find this Wiki article about what happens in court interesting:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/wiki/Court

If it was me I'd just plead guilty. You know your guilty. You're probably not going to be successful defending any action Don't waste your money on a lawyer.

[Toaster]

Ok so the other night (Wednesday - 9:30pm) i was pulled over doing 114kph in a 50 zone.

Yeah i was speeding... i know it... was just in a hurry to get home... dont really have an excuse.

Anyway the cop was coming the other way and picked up my speed but i was over the hill and long gone before he even had a chance to put his lights on... but i knew i had been caught... so i pulled over and waited for him to show up... bout 10 seconds later he flys over the rise... expecting to have a chase on his hands but guess it was his lucky day...

anyway he gets out of the car and the first thing he says is "i appreciate the fact that you pulled over" cause we both knew i cold have floored it and been gone before he even got turned around (i ride a Kawasaki ZX-10R - Ex Track Bike)

he then goes on to tell me that ive lost my licence for doing 114 in a 50 zone etc etc etc... tells me that at that speed i have had my licence suspended for 28 days and that i can expect to recieve a court summons in relation to the charges...

he let me ride my bike home though....

Now this is where it gets interesting... during the conversation he said that his radar picked me up doing 114Kph... but he didnt have time to lock the speed into the radar machine so he couldnt produce that slip of paper they can print out or show me the speed on the radar... he said that he didnt have to... he said that he only had to observe it...

Does anyone know if this is correct and is this a possible way to avoid conviction at my court summons... i thought the police officer had to be able to prove the speed...

also the police officer didnt specify what charges i would be up for... careless or dangerous driving or is there a seperate conviction just related to speed??

final question: i have never been convicted/ been to court before... havent had a speeding ticket in over a year i think... any idea in the likely hood of getting diversion or discharged without conviction or just a fine with no disqualification from driving??

ive got a lawyer but im just waiting for him to return my call regarding an appt

any assistance would be appreciated

Thanks :)

Good on you for pulling over. Its everyones lucky day when no-one is killed or hurt trying to evade the police.

The charge will be dangerous driving - speed, as opposed to dangerous driving - manner.

The officer only has to observe the speed and produce his brief of evidence and supporting calibration docs etc in court. That is his proof.

If you wish to argue that point - it is too late as you just admitted it in a public forum that can also be produced in court if you plead not guilty.

Given your clean history I would rather suggest a lawyer earn their money reducing the charge for an early guilty plea.

Hope this helps.

[Woodman]

You were doing and admitted doing 114 km/h in a 50 km/ zone and you want to get off on a technicality?

No wonder the cops have bugger all tolerance.

Plead guilty and try for a reduction. It will cost less in the long run imho.

[Bassmatt]

I love speeding.... on the open road. I try not to speed in 50 or 70 zones as there is usually a good reason for these limits
114 in a 50 is idiotic.
take it on the chin and be bloody thankful its not worse.

[Tink]

I am just pissed he had to waste time chatting to you about speeding, when he could have been at a domestic violence incident, or something which is important.

SLOW DOWN, I have kids, and I shit myself when they are playing on the pavement, remember the lad that lost it, and killed a 4 year old. Sigh

[JMemonic]

<snip>

E.g. I had a woman recently complain about me writing her a ticket for not producing her licence. She was getting a speeding ticket, and I also wrote her for not producing. She advised me that she would be speaking to her high ranking Police friends and that I was wrong, that she'd get off and I'd be in trouble. Steve Fitzgerald (RIP) was the Road Policing boss when it was made mandatory to carry a drivers licence. He told us that if we randomly stop someone for, say, breath testing, and they don't have their licence, they get a warning, as long as checks show that they have a licence. But if someone is stopped for a traffic offence, they get the ticket they were originally stopped for, and the ticket for not producing the licence.

<snip>

rastuscat a legitimate question here, I understand the logic behind policy and the legislation on this, it actually makes some kind of sense, but didn't a judge in the last couple of years throw out a case or make ruling that the requirement of carrying a licence at all times whilst driving is harsh and unfair, and in essence gave a legal decision that the is grounds for a period that a licence must be provided to the police similar to how it used to be ie seven days to produce the licence at a police station or an officer?

[Katman]

And let's not forget that this is precisely the manner in which we have so many incidents of "The fucking cager just pulled out in front of me".

When a car driver sees you 100 metres down the road in a 50kph zone they are not expecting you to be doing twice the legal speed limit.

[ynot slow]

Were you speeding?Yes.
Did you stop ?Yes.
Good for you,are you guilty of speeding as charged?Yes.
In court if you don't piss around with a lawyer,after the judge has the officers' version you get a chance to reply to the charges,maybe put your views to hin then.Also the prosecuting officer may tell the judge that the officer comented that the defendant stopped promptly,when he could easily run,therefor the judge may give a bit of a break with fine and/or suspension.
Turn up with a lawyer and he may get pissed at your arrogance and really sting you,then you still have lawyers bill.

[marty]

so ...when you get to court ... it's his word against yours ...

now ... any ideas as to whom the judge will believe ... ???


Not to mention the cop has already printed off this thread

[Latte]

Not to mention the cop has already printed off this thread

Bugger - guess he'll be branded "a weasel" regardless (unless this will only be used if he pleads not guilty).

[Tink]

Were you speeding?Yes.
Did you stop ?Yes.
Good for you,are you guilty of speeding as charged?Yes.
In court if you don't piss around with a lawyer,after the judge has the officers' version you get a chance to reply to the charges,maybe put your views to hin then.Also the prosecuting officer may tell the judge that the officer comented that the defendant stopped promptly,when he could easily run,therefor the judge may give a bit of a break with fine and/or suspension.
Turn up with a lawyer and he may get pissed at your arrogance and really sting you,then you still have lawyers bill.

Now I like your thoughts here, you stopped "then your guilty"... don't piss off the judge, good point... bit of a oxymoron if you stop then say "wasn't me" .

[firefighter]

Firstly I'd not be admitting on an open forum that I was caught fair and square, giving the type of bike I ride and that I work as medic at the naval base....:innocent:

If this is true, I suggest you see your D.O and let them know you've been a twatt, and will be going to court, losing your licence. You may also want to mention that you've brought further disrepute to the Defence Force by posting this tripe on here. You will be charged for that either way.

I am friends with some older medics I joined with (your bosses), and will be asking who rides the big green bike, i'm sure it stands out like dogs balls.

Idiot.

[cheshirecat]

E.g. She advised me that she would be speaking to her high ranking Police friends and that I was wrong, that she'd get off and I'd be in trouble.
Donuts.

I trust she got her just deserts for that sort of blackmail. Not to assume her type but wouldn't be surprised she also runs amber/reds, never looks behind, or sees push bikes, pulls out in front of you and thinks she's a good driver.

[Kendog]

It amazes me there are still idiots that suggest doing a runner was the right thing to do :facepalm:

[dino3310]

Not to mention the cop has already printed off this thread

yeah the cops a KBer and your really fucked now :rofl:

[pritch]

I am friends with some older medics I joined with (your bosses), and will be asking who rides the big green bike, i'm sure it stands out like dogs balls.

Idiot.

That's a bit tough. The OP has enough problems of his own making without people who have no legitimate interest becoming involved.

I would suggest that:
A) he hire a lawyer
B) he plead guilty.

The lawyer would explain to the person presiding (judge or JP?) how his client could easily have done a runner but being a responsible citizen didn't. The speed was an uncharacteristic lapse. :violin: The lawyer will cost but in the circumstances it's really about damage limitation.

[firefighter]

Actually they are people of legitimate interest. The Navy WILL find out either way, and if he does'nt tell them early it will get worse. The sooner he tells his bosses the better.

NZDF does'nt work the same as civvi street with this stuff (I see where you are coming form though).


That's a bit tough. The OP has enough problems of his own making without people who have no legitimate interest becoming involved

[Mully]

Meh - suck it up.

Admit to the judge and throw yourself on his mercy.
Admit to your bosses and throw yourselves on their mercy.

FWIW, mate of mine got pinged for exceeding 100 (by a loooooong way) on his R1. Bike got impounded and he was walking for 28 days. Got to court, got no further disqualification and a whacking great fine.

The cop could have taken your bike for 28 days if he'd been a dick.

Man up. Take your medicine. And slow the fuck down on residential streets.

[rastuscat]

I trust she got her just deserts for that sort of blackmail. Not to assume her type but wouldn't be surprised she also runs amber/reds, never looks behind, or sees push bikes, pulls out in front of you and thinks she's a good driver.

I had given her a lecture on how her driving was unsafe. That's what wound her up. She isn't used to being told that she is in the wrong. Poor dear is from the school of thought that has coddled her all her life. She is never wrong, and she is a good driver. She ended up crying, after being told it was her who was wrong. Possibly the first time anyone had told her the truth, even if she didn't like it.

Funny how Remuera, Fendalton and Merivale are full of folk who own so much of the world they get used to always being right.

[superman]

There is honor in that.

HONOUR!!!! Don't copy the yanks.

[Crazy Steve]

You stopped on a ZX10R lol....

Try taking off i can say it is the best rush of your life ! !

I LOVE DOIN RUNNERS SINCE 1989 lol

Crazy Steve.

[Coldrider]

Meh - suck it up.

Admit to the judge and throw yourself on his mercy.
Admit to your bosses and throw yourselves on their mercy.

FWIW, mate of mine got pinged for exceeding 100 (by a loooooong way) on his R1. Bike got impounded and he was walking for 28 days. Got to court, got no further disqualification and a whacking great fine.

The cop could have taken your bike for 28 days if he'd been a dick.

Man up. Take your medicine. And slow the fuck down on residential streets.For the bike to be impounded it would have to be a charge of 'dangerous driving', or second or third major offence within a period.

[Mully]

For the bike to be impounded it would have to be a charge of 'dangerous driving', or second or third major offence within a period.

Buh?

I thought over 40km/h over the speed limit was able to be impounded for 28 days.

I stand corrected, then.

[Coldrider]

Buh?

I thought over 40km/h over the speed limit was able to be impounded for 28 days.

I stand corrected, then.http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/factsheets/63/impoundment-of-your-vehicle.html

Give this a whirl, and hang on to your keys.

[thepom]

If this is true, I suggest you see your D.O and let them know you've been a twatt, and will be going to court, losing your licence. You may also want to mention that you've brought further disrepute to the Defence Force by posting this tripe on here. You will be charged for that either way.

I am friends with some older medics I joined with (your bosses), and will be asking who rides the big green bike, i'm sure it stands out like dogs balls.

Idiot.


You can tell your an NCO ....you,ve got wanker written all over you.............

I,m ex forces and had to deal with self righteous dicks like you all the time..:angry:

[pritch]

Actually they are people of legitimate interest.


"They" are, you aren't.

I need my licence for my job, for another year or so anyway, so understand why any employer would need to know.

Also, I too have some experience as a medic in the NZDF and have former hoahoia in the Patriots MC, although I haven't joined that. Yet.

[Marmoot]

Yeah.. regretting pulling over now... should have kept going...

but sadly whats done is done... cant change that.

Good for you to pull over. It's the right thing to do.

[Mully]

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/factsheets/63/impoundment-of-your-vehicle.html

Give this a whirl, and hang on to your keys.

Good to know. Now, if you'll excuse me, I must away to speed.

[Berg]

It amazes me there are still idiots that suggest doing a runner was the right thing to do :facepalm:

I agree. It appals me how many of our biker brothers and sisters are happy to travel at warp factor 9.5, do runners from the police and do what even I as a biker consider dangerous acts on the road. Being a regular on the Rumitakas I see idiotic acts done almost every ride ad have even seen comments on here about it being funny when people fall off trying to play the heros.
I'm happy to ride at my sedate pace and stick to my own side of the road having scraped up dead bodies for the last twenty odd years.
If you want to tavel fast, do it on a track like some of us do.
Rant over

[Indiana_Jones]

Remember kids, murder, or in this case speeding is a crime, unless it was done by a policeman...

-Indy

[Bren]

114kph in a 50 zone.

Yeah i was speeding...

:Oi:I am going to be terribly blunt here.....You are an Effing Dick who give most of us sensible riders a bad name....:mad:

There is a reason an area is a 50kph zone...to keep the townsfolk safe from idiots

You have not only endangerd yourself but innocent folks as well...How would you feel if you wiped out a young kid? You are a knob, enough said

Save your speeding for the track or some back road

Fess up and take the time...I hope you lose your licence for 6 months at least!

[Berg]

:Oi:I am going to be terribly blunt here.....You are an Effing Dick who give most of us sensible riders a bad name....:mad:

There is a reason an area is a 50kph zone...to keep the townsfolk safe from idiots

You have not only endangerd yourself but innocent folks as well...How would you feel if you wiped out a young kid? You are a knob, enough said

Save your speeding for the track or some back road

Fess up and take the time...I hope you lose your licence for 6 months at least!
Amen. Harsh but honest:niceone:
You sound like somebody the Bergs would be happy to ride with. It's often hard to find like minded bikers who are not just out to go fast and race on the road.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I agree. It appals me how many of our biker brothers and sisters are happy to travel at warp factor 9.5, do runners from the police and do what even I as a biker consider dangerous acts on the road. Being a regular on the Rumitakas I see idiotic acts done almost every ride ad have even seen comments on here about it being funny when people fall off trying to play the heros.
I'm happy to ride at my sedate pace and stick to my own side of the road having scraped up dead bodies for the last twenty odd years.
If you want to tavel fast, do it on a track like some of us do.
Rant over

indeed. I concur. (I dont scrape up dead bodies for a living thugh).

[dino3310]

Save your speeding for the track or some back road

!

yeah some back road where theres only country kids... Yeah right.
Save it for the fucken track.

[PrincessBandit]

I agree. It appals me how many of our biker brothers and sisters are happy to travel at warp factor 9.5, do runners from the police and do what even I as a biker consider dangerous acts on the road. Being a regular on the Rumitakas I see idiotic acts done almost every ride ad have even seen comments on here about it being funny when people fall off trying to play the heros.
I'm happy to ride at my sedate pace and stick to my own side of the road having scraped up dead bodies for the last twenty odd years.
If you want to tavel fast, do it on a track like some of us do.
Rant over

Exactly. Why is it ok for a bike to do it, but woe betide if it had been a 18 y.o. in his WRX? Given the debate going over in RnR around pursuits I'm amazed that there are people supporting running. Then again, this is k.b.... (or those who have encouraged setting up a chase are piss-taking).

All around, in excess of 100 in a 50 kph zone? think about worst case scenarios and what your actions could lead to. Do you really want to live with that or don't you care, all for the sake of saving a few piddly minutes?

[liljegren]

Doing that sort of speed in a 50kmh is fukn stupid. Ergo he who does this and want to whinge his way out of it in front of the Court is probably stupid. I spend time and money to do track time, but I dont want you there, who knows what you will deem OK on a track?
Go play golf.

[rastuscat]

Memories. I wuz an RNZN Apprentice RF in 1982 when I got caught doing warp factor 7 down the south motorway on an RD350LC. I only got caught when I slowed down. I hadn't even realized I was being chased!! The Popo was in one of those old Mitsi Sigmas, the one before the sleek body shape. It was a naturally aspirated 2 litre, light green in colour.

I got my just desserts from the beak at court (totally guilty), but then the Navy had a go at me too !! I ended up on the carpet in front of the XO on Canterbury F421.

Oh for the old days.

[Speedracer]

http://www.fastandsafe.co.nz/Pages/Media/RadarEvidence18Feb05.shtm

Recent decisions show the courts are backing motorists such as Fiddler, waiving fines for those who challenge police unable to provide evidence of speeding.

Christchurch man Bryan McHerron took the matter to court in September last year after police were unable to produce radar evidence at the scene of his ticket.

An officer allegedly clocked McHerron travelling 121kmh in a passing lane near Amberley, but lost the radar record seconds after the incident and was unable to show McHerron any evidence as he wrote out the ticket.

McHerron went to court, admitting he was probably travelling at more than 100kmh, but denied it was 121kmh.

The Rangiora District Court ruled in McHerron's favour, with two Justices of the Peace saying: "This issue for us is whether there has been a burden of proof beyond reasonable doubt regarding the excessive speed ... to cast light or doubt on the actual speed under consideration and in the interests of justice we think it is not unreasonable for the driver to see the actual locked-in radar speed.

"In this instance it was not available and does create an element of doubt to the actual speed for the defendant."

The decision was based on a similar High Court ruling in 1996 when a motorcyclist on the West Coast successfully defended an alleged radar reading of 126kmh after the officer could not produce evidence of the speed quoted on the ticket.

[firefighter]

You can tell your an NCO ....you,ve got wanker written all over you.............

I,m ex forces and had to deal with self righteous dicks like you all the time..:angry:

You've got POM who should fuck off back to where he came from written all over you. I'm no NCO. I left the forces some time ago.

I've had to deal with retarded fucks like you a lot who missed out on but no doubt deserved some good lower mess deck justice.

I have real reasons to be pissed at him speeding at that rediculous speed through those areas, i've never dobbed a soul in in my life, the people i'd speak to would give him shit and make sure he sorts his shit out, nothing more, so before you start personally attacking me, think about why my reaction was what it is. Dickhead.

[thepom]

bring on the lower deck justice chump....in your case probably be anal too.....

[dino3310]

:woohoo:scrap scrap :girlfight::corn:

[thepom]

Plese.....no vaseline..........:sick:

[Latte]

Handbags at 20 paces ladies..........

[Berries]

Handbags at 20 paces ladies..........
Surely it is bell bottoms at 20 fathoms ?

[rustic101]

Join the Air Force feel a new man every day... Join the Navy and be that man :eek::bleh:

O to the OP - one word covers your situation - Guilty , Suck it up!!!

[miloking]

OP i just finished 3 month demerit suspension...its not that bad at all. 28 days is piece of piss realy....actualy my licence suspension was more like 4 months as i handed in my licence at the police station in september and found out month later that "it didnt count" as the lady at the counter wasnt "sworn" officer and had no authority to take if off me....yep cops cant even do shit like taking your licence from you properly sometimes.

[davebullet]

Yeah.. regretting pulling over now... should have kept going...

but sadly whats done is done... cant change that.

You did the right thing. You are alive and no one got hurt. If you were in hospital now (or had run over a child), you would be wishing like mad you had only lost your license and paid a fine instead.

Just don't do it again eh? The consequence is a loss of life - and it may not be yours. It could be someone's child. Could you live with that?