Unwarranted motorcyclist clocked at 204 km/h

[YellowDog]

Canterbury police are warning motorcyclists to slow down on rural roads after two were clocked well over the speed limit - one at 204km/h on an unregistered and unwarranted motorcycle.

The 19-year-old man was arrested after allegedly clocking the speed and overtaking others on State Highway 1 between Rolleston and Burnham, southwest of Christchurch, over the Christmas-New Year period, police said today.

The motorcyclist, who had just got his licence back the previous day, was charged with travelling at a dangerous speed and will appear in coming weeks in Christchurch District Court.

Another motorcyclist, an Australian tourist travelling as part of a group, was clocked at 164km/h near Amberley, north of Christchurch.

His licence was suspended for 28 days.

Acting road policing manager Senior Sergeant Trevor Pullen said police had put a lot of effort into reducing vehicle speeds during the holiday period and it was irresponsible for anyone to drive in this manner.

"The threat that these motorcyclists present to themselves and other road users is similar to firing a gun down the road and not really caring if it hits someone.

"It was only good fortune that these incidents didn't result in a serious injury or fatality."

Motorcyclists were 18 times more likely to be killed or seriously injured in a crash than a car driver, he said.

Since 2005 the level of fatality and serious injury accidents involving motorcyclists had risen sharply - the number of motorcycle casualties since 2008 was more than double the total for 2000.

- NZPA



http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10699284&ref=rss

[Tink]

Bullets alright.... ! 204km whew that blows me away, my 250 only goes up to 140km hahahhah.

Save it for the track:weird:

[onearmedbandit]

Two of the most stupidest places to speed. And most boring.

[Gremlin]

on SH1... Geniuses :eek:

[steve_t]

Fark. Got his licence back the day before? I wonder if he'll do some jail time. Is it someone on KB? And we wonder why the cops are actively targeting us...

[rustic101]

160 odd is reasonable (stupid) but reasonable. 204 is just madness. Some of us survived our youth, god only knows how though lol

[FJRider]

TWO riders clocked at over 160 km's/hr ...

and they're still alive ...

that can't be right !!!

Speed kills ... right ??? :eek:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Canterbury police are warning motorcyclists to slow down on rural roads after two were clocked well over the speed limit - one at 204km/h on an unregistered and unwarranted motorcycle.

The 19-year-old man was arrested after allegedly clocking the speed and overtaking others on State Highway 1 between Rolleston and Burnham, southwest of Christchurch, over the Christmas-New Year period, police said today.

The motorcyclist, who had just got his licence back the previous day, was charged with travelling at a dangerous speed and will appear in coming weeks in Christchurch District Court.

Another motorcyclist, an Australian tourist travelling as part of a group, was clocked at 164km/h near Amberley, north of Christchurch.

His licence was suspended for 28 days.

Acting road policing manager Senior Sergeant Trevor Pullen said police had put a lot of effort into reducing vehicle speeds during the holiday period and it was irresponsible for anyone to drive in this manner.

"The threat that these motorcyclists present to themselves and other road users is similar to firing a gun down the road and not really caring if it hits someone.

"It was only good fortune that these incidents didn't result in a serious injury or fatality."

Motorcyclists were 18 times more likely to be killed or seriously injured in a crash than a car driver, he said.

Since 2005 the level of fatality and serious injury accidents involving motorcyclists had risen sharply - the number of motorcycle casualties since 2008 was more than double the total for 2000.

- NZPA



http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10699284&ref=rss

I thought that Charlie Lamb and others had fairly comprehensively proved those statements, which were trotted out as part of the defense to the ripoff ACC levy rego rise, were not supported by the evidence? Lies you might say. Political motivation to get legislate motorcycles out of existence you might think.

[Headbanger]

204 is just getting interesting.

And who gives a fuck about the rego and warrant?, its just paperwork and tax, we should be refusing to conform.

Fuck em, and fuck their revenue collectors.

Its all a dirty lie.

[sinfull]

I did 204 just yesterday, k's that is (not miles), well over that, not that i was taking notice.

They need radar detectors !

[Genie]

Bullets alright.... ! 204km whew that blows me away, my 250 only goes up to 140km hahahhah.

Save it for the track:weird:

He's 19, that says alot. Sad that he feels the need to take such a risk with his own life and others. That he holds so little value in his own.

The track, that's the place to go at that speed.

On another note, 140k on your bike, that's naughty.:Police:

Maybe the government should only allow 250's on the road, that would be funny.

[EJK]

What was he riding?

[Smokin]

I've had the front wheel come back down at a higher speed than that. He should have chosen his location a little better. We all have a bit of hoon in us.

[hayd3n]

the number of motorcycle casualties since 2008 was more than double the total for 2000.

wouldent that be expected?
3 years vs 1 year of data

[Taz]

Whats the fuss about. Was only 204.

[Genie]

Come on, the limit to keep us alive is 100kph.
His bike was unwarranted and unregistered, though that woudl most likely be because it's not been ridden for 6 months due to his loss of licence and rather than get it road worthy and be sensible. Oh the wildness of youth.

[YellowDog]

I can't condone the irresponsibility of these guys on the public highway however; when I used to live in the UK, 100mph (160kph) on the motorway wasn't such a big deal.

Yes you'd still lose your licence however if you stayed just under 90mph (145kph) and were riding responsibly, the police would generally leave you alone. I'm sure it's all changed now.

I had a German girlfriend I'd ride over to see. Cruising legally at around 120mph was pretty damn good fun. The German road users did seem to understand road safety very well indeed and speed related accidents were not common.

[Berries]

Sad that he feels the need to take such a risk with his own life and others. That he holds so little value in his own.
I don't think that you can equate 200km/h on the Canterbury straights with having no value for his own life. Stupid place to do it when there is other traffic around granted, but he didn't spontaneously combust or anything.

[FJRider]

I don't think that you can equate 200km/h on the Canterbury straights with having no value for his own life. Stupid place to do it when there is other traffic around granted, but he didn't spontaneously combust or anything.

Shot down in flames comes later ...

[Smifffy]

the number of motorcycle casualties since 2008 was more than double the total for 2000.

wouldent that be expected?
3 years vs 1 year of data

Yeah, I don't agree with them speeding, but I also disagree with much of the propaganda around it too.

If it is like firing a gun up the street without caring, then why bleat about the person's chances of dying? Surely that would be more like holding a gun to your own head, or firing one off in a ricochet prone environment?

"The threat that these motorcyclists present to themselves....etc"

Couldn't that just as easily be: "The threat that these individuals present to themselves....etc"?

Would it have been better for the public at large if he was doing 204 km/hr in a cage?

Once again the NZ media just regurgitates a scripted press release and calls it news.

[Berries]

I can't condone the irresponsibility of these guys on the public highway however; when I used to live in the UK, 100mph (160kph) on the motorway wasn't such a big deal.
+1, and not just motorways. I had to seriously recalibrate the speed I ride at over here.

[onearmedbandit]

Turns out it was all a misunderstanding. He gfot the wrong end of the stick when he heard about the 104km/h limit over the holidays.

[bogan]

I thought that Charlie Lamb and others had fairly comprehensively proved those statements, which were trotted out as part of the defense to the ripoff ACC levy rego rise, were not supported by the evidence? Lies you might say. Political motivation to get legislate motorcycles out of existence you might think.

it depends on the context and implications, while the numbers of injuries and crashes etc have risen sharply in that period, it mainly due to a huge increase in bike numbers, the rate has only increased a little bit (it's still lower than all the previous decades though iirc). The 18x thing is often strangely worded, while most people read it as bikers are 18x more likely to be in an injury causing accident (absolutely false); it could also be read as if you have a crash, bikers are more likely to be mangled than cagers, which does make sense as we are more exposed. But, the later is impossible to calculate as too many people have unreported accidents, so yeh, misleading and full of shit.

[Smifffy]

I had a German girlfriend I'd ride over to see. Cruising legally at around 120mph was pretty damn good fun. The German road users did seem to understand road safety very well indeed and speed related accidents were not common.

So how come you didn't die, or kill anybody else?

Around Christmas time I was going most places at 115-120 km/h and I didn't die either, but then again I wasn't on NZ roads.

[sinfull]

Fuck em i do what i want ........ till i get caught 3 times, then i walk for 3 months, then i do what i want !

Fuckin panzy site this is, 204 kph ? are you all club 250 now ?

Fuck you i need another drink !

[SMOKEU]

204kmh on a straight road is just mothers milk.

[Smifffy]

204kmh on a straight road is just mothers milk.

Even on a CB250? I don't care how many Rs it's got.

[JimO]

200ks on a large modern bike is just a flick of the wrist

[SMOKEU]

Even on a CB250? I don't care how many Rs it's got.

Not without some serious mods. Even with a sprocket change they don't have the torque to do that kind of speed.

[Smifffy]

Not without some serious mods. Even with a sprocket change they don't have the torque to do that kind of speed.

So how and when does it become 'Mother's milk'?

[nosebleed]

200ks on a large modern bike is just a flick of the wrist

As are half the comments...

[SMOKEU]

So how and when does it become 'Mother's milk'?

You're the expert, aren't you?

[Tink]

He's 19, that says alot. Sad that he feels the need to take such a risk with his own life and others. That he holds so little value in his own.

The track, that's the place to go at that speed.

On another note, 140k on your bike, that's naughty.:Police:

Maybe the government should only allow 250's on the road, that would be funny.

haha I can't do 140km tho, the bike would fall apart or I would at my age.. lol

[Indiana_Jones]

Clearly if the man had warrent and licence paid for it would of been safe!

-Indy

[Gubb]

So he was about to hit 3rd gear then?

[Smifffy]

You're the expert, aren't you?

No, actually I've never been that fast other than as a passenger in an aircraft, but you seem to know all about it.

I'd love to hear the benefit of your experience.

[SMOKEU]

No, actually I've never been that fast other than as a passenger in an aircraft, but you seem to know all about it.

I'd love to hear the benefit of your experience.

So you ride and drive like a nanna then?

[Smifffy]

So you ride and drive like a nanna then?

Yes, yes I do, although my eyesight is a little keener, now back to your tales of derring do on the other side of 200 km/h.....

[mashman]

does anyone recognise the photo (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/8635350/police-warn-motorcyclists-after-teen-clocked-at-204kmh/) :shit: ahhh the media

[SMOKEU]

Yes, yes I do, although my eyesight is a little keener, now back to your tales of derring do on the other side of 200 km/h.....

Well, I haven't broken the 200kmh barrier on a bike yet (my 250cc bike can't go that fast), but I have been north of that speed in a few cars.

[steve_t]

does anyone recognise the photo (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/8635350/police-warn-motorcyclists-after-teen-clocked-at-204kmh/) :shit: ahhh the media

:facepalm: That's f'n disgusting. A picture from Bikeoi to accompany an article about a motorcyclist doing 204km/h?!! For shame YahooXtra!! :blank:

[bogan]

does anyone recognise the photo (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/8635350/police-warn-motorcyclists-after-teen-clocked-at-204kmh/) :shit: ahhh the media

were they all doing 204 as well! thought it would be more appropriate to have a photo somehow relevant to the speed, but I spose in the media's eyes, all bikers do this sort of thing regularly :facepalm: of course we must also all be dead as that sorta speed kills :facepalm::facepalm:

[Maha]

Cant wait to read Katmans South Island Tour report.

[Smifffy]

does anyone recognise the photo (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/8635350/police-warn-motorcyclists-after-teen-clocked-at-204kmh/) :shit: ahhh the media

Yeah great, now let's get the public to associate that picture with this quote: "The threat that these motorcyclists present to themselves and other road users is similar to firing a gun down the road and not really caring if it hits someone."

[Smifffy]

Well, I haven't broken the 200kmh barrier on a bike yet (my 250cc bike can't go that fast), but I have been north of that speed in a few cars.

As the driver, or a passenger? You really ought to furnish up a few more details, maybe I could get an understanding of what it's like to go at those speeds, and I can stop being a nanna, and more like a a baby sucking on the teat of mother's milk.

[mashman]

:facepalm: That's f'n disgusting. A picture from Bikeoi to accompany an article about a motorcyclist doing 204km/h?!! For shame YahooXtra!! :blank:

Corker ain't it... we must deserve our higher ACC levies :blink:



As the driver, or a passenger? You really ought to furnish up a few more details, maybe I could get an understanding of what it's like to go at those speeds, and I can stop being a nanna, and more like a a baby sucking on the teat of mother's milk.

ya don't know what yer missing, it's a bit like riding a bullet...

[hayd3n]

Yeah, I don't agree with them speeding, but I also disagree with much of the propaganda around it too.

If it is like firing a gun up the street without caring, then why bleat about the person's chances of dying? Surely that would be more like holding a gun to your own head, or firing one off in a ricochet prone environment?

"The threat that these motorcyclists present to themselves....etc"

Couldn't that just as easily be: "The threat that these individuals present to themselves....etc"?

Would it have been better for the public at large if he was doing 204 km/hr in a cage?

Once again the NZ media just regurgitates a scripted press release and calls it news.


Since 2005 the level of fatality and serious injury accidents involving motorcyclists had risen sharply -- the number of motorcycle casualties since 2008 was more than double the total for 2000.
no shit 3 years of deaths would usually be more than 2x 1 year

[JMemonic]

Whilst the speeds are acceptable in other countries I would suggest the roads in those places are better than many of ours, anyone care to comment, preferably someone with experience on these countries roads.

A few years ago, (and I will not add names), on a local ride we had a rider on an unregistered/unwarranted bike, that through his own stupidity nearly wiped out two other riders. Judging by comments posted here it would have been fine had he injured or worse killed another rider, I mean he was travelling at excessive speed for the conditions, he was riding a bike that was illegal to have on the road, perfect it would seem for this crowd.

The fact the bike was unsuitable for use on the road, had only a working rear brake and a litany of faults that potentially made it a death trap for the rider and others around means nothing.

There is a time and a place, trying not to sound like Katidiot here the road is not the place, we wont improve our lot while we seem to worship stupidity.

Oh just an aside anyone ever noticed they don't use chip seal on tracks, wonder why?

[sinfull]

Whilst the speeds are acceptable in other countries I would suggest the roads in those places are better than many of ours, anyone care to comment, preferably someone with experience on these countries roads.

A few years ago, (and I will not add names), on a local ride we had a rider on an unregistered/unwarranted bike, that through his own stupidity nearly wiped out two other riders. Judging by comments posted here it would have been fine had he injured or worse killed another rider, I mean he was travelling at excessive speed for the conditions, he was riding a bike that was illegal to have on the road, perfect it would seem for this crowd.

The fact the bike was unsuitable for use on the road, had only a working rear brake and a litany of faults that potentially made it a death trap for the rider and others around means nothing.

There is a time and a place, trying not to sound like Katidiot here the road is not the place, we wont improve our lot while we seem to worship stupidity.

Oh just an aside anyone ever noticed they don't use chip seal on tracks, wonder why?

I rest my case !

[Madmax]

So he was about to hit 3rd gear then?

about right, 100 km is first on mine

[JMemonic]

I rest my case !

I am sorry I did not see you make any case, aside from the fact you need another drink.



Fuck you i need another drink !

[Brett]

Even on a CB250? I don't care how many Rs it's got.

+1....

LOL...a CBR250R would only hit 204kph when it reaches terminal velocity after being dropped from a plane. Good little bikes though.

[sinfull]

I am sorry I did not see you make any case, aside from the fact you need another drink.

Eggzacary ! You scare me with the thought of how much fun you have on yor st3, to the point i will have another !

[Berries]

Whilst the speeds are acceptable in other countries I would suggest the roads in those places are better than many of ours, anyone care to comment, preferably someone with experience on these countries roads.
I wouldn't say that those speeds are acceptable in other countries, expect perhaps on certain German roads, but they certainly don't get the exposure that they do here, nor the frothing at the mouth by people who have never ever broken the speed limit. 150mph is usually a good cut off point for burning people at the stake, or 240km/h in your NZ money. Get done for 140km/h down here and you'll be front page news. (Not much happens in Dunners - Dragon RIP).


A few years ago, (and I will not add names), on a local ride we had a rider on an unregistered/unwarranted bike, that through his own stupidity nearly wiped out two other riders. Judging by comments posted here it would have been fine had he injured or worse killed another rider, I mean he was travelling at excessive speed for the conditions, he was riding a bike that was illegal to have on the road, perfect it would seem for this crowd.

The fact the bike was unsuitable for use on the road, had only a working rear brake and a litany of faults that potentially made it a death trap for the rider and others around means nothing.
Hang on. In your example you had someone riding too fast for the conditions with a bike that had no front brake and a litany of other faults. In other words a twat. In the case in point the guy was riding too fast for the speed limit with a bike that did not have a WOF or rego. You can't link the two. Not having a WOF does not suddenly make a bike a death trap, unless it had just failed for having no front brake and a litany of other faults. The WOF could just as easily have expired the previous day and would have passed if tested today.


There is a time and a place, trying not to sound like Katidiot here the road is not the place, we wont improve our lot while we seem to worship stupidity.
Unfortunately for your position, some people just like riding and couldn't give a rats arse about improving "our" lot.


"It was only good fortune that these incidents didn't result in a serious injury or fatality."
Hmmm.

[2wheeldrifter]

Turns out it was all a misunderstanding. He got the wrong end of the stick when he heard about the 104km/h limit over the holidays.

:rofl:


Originally Posted by Mr Policeman
"It was only good fortune that these incidents didn't result in a serious injury or fatality."

or they were skilled riders.... :bleh:

[Brian d marge]

Has anybody actually been to rolleston? or Burnham

I have to say , 204 ( kilopoofters I might add ) is just not fast enough

then there's Ashburton, cant go through that place fast enough, As for Timaru ...


or were they going North from ashburton , towards Nelson ? that's understandable

Not paying ACC that's understandable

hope the bike was somewhat road worthy

Stephen

btw which street are they firing this gun down , over here you would maim quite a few

but in Reeefton ...theres a chance you may get a possum

[Animal]

...Motorcyclists were 18 times more likely to be killed or seriously injured in a crash than a car driver, he said...

:violin: YAWN! So predictable, statistical propaganda.

But seriously, 204kmh on some of the straightest and most boring roads on the Mainland? Why bother?

[Animal]

Clearly if the man had warrent and licence paid for it would of been safe!

-Indy

+1 :first:

[JMemonic]

Hang on. In your example you had someone riding too fast for the conditions with a bike that had no front brake and a litany of other faults. In other words a twat. In the case in point the guy was riding too fast for the speed limit with a bike that did not have a WOF or rego. You can't link the two. Not having a WOF does not suddenly make a bike a death trap, unless it had just failed for having no front brake and a litany of other faults. The WOF could just as easily have expired the previous day and would have passed if tested today.

We really don't know either way here, folks are keen to give the rider the benefit of the doubt that the bike was in suitable condition to hold a w.o.f or the bike could have been in similar condition to the example I used simply put we don't know. My personal experience allows me to link the two, yours does not.

I do not understand some folks logic that a w.o.f is a tax, sure they are valid for either 1 year or 6 months and things can change over a period of time but it is a test to see that a vehicle meets a minimum set of requirements to operated on the roads, any w.o.f inspector will have examples of vehicles seen that should not be driven let alone near a road, yet the owners will argue black is white that the vehicles are perfectly safe.

How about thinking of a w.o.f along the lines of scrutinering, it ensures all bikes on the track meet a minimum safety requirement for racing.


Unfortunately for your position, some people just like riding and couldn't give a rats arse about improving "our" lot.

Its not my position, but the position of many here, they wanted lower ACC costs and complain bitterly about them yet still rego their bikes, they must as there seems to have been no huge drop in the number of registered bikes.

Granted there are folks who just like riding, and wont give a rats arse but there in lies part of the problem, I bet there are thousands of car drivers who really dont give a rats arse about any of the politics and BS around roading, rego, w.o.f, etc yet are members of the AA (which motorcyclists have no equivalent of here), even if just for the roadside assistance programme, this gives the AA numbers as it lobby's government, on their behalf and remember they have in the past held the position that motorcycles should be off the roads.

[Grubber]

I don't think that you can equate 200km/h on the Canterbury straights with having no value for his own life. Stupid place to do it when there is other traffic around granted, but he didn't spontaneously combust or anything.

Dude...i think you know what she means, and if you don't, your another i would be worried about running into out there on the road.:weird:

I would have thought 200k on any road would be taking somewhat of a large risk. Done it myself and i know it's probably not the best thing to be doing. I'm not that deluded.

[Berries]

Dude...i think you know what she means, and if you don't, your another i would be worried about running into out there on the road.:weird:

I would have thought 200k on any road would be taking somewhat of a large risk. Done it myself and i know it's probably not the best thing to be doing. I'm not that deluded.
And you didn't die, which was my point.

[Grumph]

I would have thought 200k on any road would be taking somewhat of a large risk. Done it myself and i know it's probably not the best thing to be doing. I'm not that deluded.[/QUOTE]

Have you actually been South and seen canterbury roads ? A very good case could be made for higher local speed limits around the South Island. Your local roads between Puke and Auckland, yeah, sure, twisty,100k max OK.

When Helen Clark got hauled over the coals for speeding between Timaru and ChCh I had to laugh - there's only around 9 curves in the whole distance.

[Smifffy]

Whilst the speeds are acceptable in other countries I would suggest the roads in those places are better than many of ours, anyone care to comment, preferably someone with experience on these countries roads.



Exactly so, and when TPTB are advised that improving the state of the nation's roads will do more to reduce the road toll than the revenue gathering enforcement efforts, they trot out more propaganda articles like the OP.

I've long made the point about the Tauranga toll road and its woeful under-utilisation.

Here we have a newish straight length of road designed to cut the commute time. It was built at a time when just about everything to know about safe driving/riding surfaces was known, and it is deserted many times.

The reason? It doesn't reduce the commute time. I'd wager that if they set the limit for the majority of that piece of road at 120 km/h and strictly enforced it, they would get plenty more takers. Maybe some of them wouldn't even crash.

[SMOKEU]

As the driver, or a passenger? You really ought to furnish up a few more details, maybe I could get an understanding of what it's like to go at those speeds, and I can stop being a nanna, and more like a a baby sucking on the teat of mother's milk.

Anything I do say may be used as evidence in court.

[Grubber]

{Have you actually been South and seen canterbury roads ? A very good case could be made for higher local speed limits around the South Island. Your local roads between Puke and Auckland, yeah, sure, twisty,100k max OK.}


Lived and rode down there for 20 years. Thats' my local stomping ground. Wouldn't consider the lack of bends an invite to do 200k plus on state highway 1. Plenty of country side roads lead of it and plenty of traffic ( especially over Xmas). Doubt if one could call it ideal speeding material and certainly not 200k plus area. For people to condone it would be totally irresponsible i would have thought. Law says it's not so we have to deal with that if nothing else. I think it did sate that this character was overtaking vehicles, this means there was traffic. Not the best thing to be doing under the circumstances.
I'm not so hypocritical that i would say I've never been fast, but i do select my areas very carefully. Speeds such as 200k has been on a track for the most part.

[Grubber]

And you didn't die, which was my point.

Unbelievable. No i didn't, but i did increase the risk by untold ammounts of dying for both myself and other raod users at the time. Once again, i'm not that deluded.:doh:

Perhaps you wouldn't mind if i stood about 30 metres away from you and threw a large steak knife at you. You may not die but would you like to take the risk??

[Berries]

Unbelievable. No i didn't, but i did increase the risk by untold ammounts of dying for both myself and other raod users at the time. Once again, i'm not that deluded.:doh:

Perhaps you wouldn't mind if i stood about 30 metres away from you and threw a large steak knife at you. You may not die but would you like to take the risk??
As I originally said, he was stupid for doing those speeds when other vehicles were around, and on those straights was asking to get pulled over and banned. I wouldn’t have wanted to be around him, nor would I want to stand in front of someone throwing a steak knife (???)

As for your first point, I agree that as you increase your speed you increase the risk. I don’t buy in to the fact that speed alone is bad though, and as a member of the 200+ club yourself I am not sure why you are getting so upset about it.

[Katman]

Maybe the government should only allow 250's on the road, that would be funny.

Many a prophetic word is said in jest.

Be careful what you wish for.

[Genie]

Many a true word is said in jest.

Be careful what you wish for.

We a bit safe for the time being....John Key doesn't quite fit the Hitler scenerio.

Communism just isn't quite what it used to be, unless you live in North Korea.

[oneofsix]

We a bit safe for the time being....John Key doesn't quite fit the Hitler scenerio.

Communism just isn't quite what it used to be, unless you live in North Korea.

How about that Italian bloke Mussolini what smiled and waved a lot and thought he could run with the big boys. I could see smiling John in that role :msn-wink:

[Genie]

How about that Italian bloke Mussolini what smiled and waved a lot and thought he could run with the big boys. I could see smiling John in that role :msn-wink:

Yeah and what happened to him? Poor Italy.

[willytheekid]

We really don't know either way here, folks are keen to give the rider the benefit of the doubt that the bike was in suitable condition to hold a w.o.f or the bike could have been in similar condition to the example I used simply put we don't know. My personal experience allows me to link the two, yours does not.

I do not understand some folks logic that a w.o.f is a tax, sure they are valid for either 1 year or 6 months and things can change of a period of time but it is a test to see that a vehicle meets a minimum set of requirements to operated on the roads, any w.o.f inspector will have examples of vehicles seen that should not be driven let alone near a road, yet the owners will argue black is white that the vehicles are perfectly safe.

How about thinking of a w.o.f along the lines of scrutinering, it ensures all bikes on the track meet a minimum safety requirement for racing.



Its not my position, but the position of many here, they wanted lower ACC costs and complain bitterly about them yet still rego their bikes, they must as there seems to have been no huge drop in the number of registered bikes.

Granted there are folks who just like riding, and wont give a rats arse but there in lies part of the problem, I bet there are thousands of car drivers who really dont give a rats arse about any of the politics and BS around roading, rego, w.o.f, etc yet are members of the AA (which motorcyclists have no equivalent of here), even if just for the roadside assistance programme, this gives the AA numbers as it lobby's government, on their behalf and remember they have in the past held the position that motorcycles should be off the roads.


{Have you actually been South and seen canterbury roads ? A very good case could be made for higher local speed limits around the South Island. Your local roads between Puke and Auckland, yeah, sure, twisty,100k max OK.}


Lived and rode down there for 20 years. Thats' my local stomping ground. Wouldn't consider the lack of bends an invite to do 200k plus on state highway 1. Plenty of country side roads lead of it and plenty of traffic ( especially over Xmas). Doubt if one could call it ideal speeding material and certainly not 200k plus area. For people to condone it would be totally irresponsible i would have thought. Law says it's not so we have to deal with that if nothing else. I think it did sate that this character was overtaking vehicles, this means there was traffic. Not the best thing to be doing under the circumstances.
I'm not so hypocritical that i would say I've never been fast, but i do select my areas very carefully. Speeds such as 200k has been on a track for the most part.

Glad to see some KBers with commonsense.:niceone:

The guys are riding like tools...simple as that!
To ignore the facts and support these riders and their actions?...little own defend them?? :weird:
Were not Angels or perfect...but I didnt think we were idiots...or supported them!

[yod]

...little own defend them??

:killingme

[StoneY]

I thought that Charlie Lamb and others had fairly comprehensively proved those statements, which were trotted out as part of the defense to the ripoff ACC levy rego rise, were not supported by the evidence? Lies you might say. Political motivation to get legislate motorcycles out of existence you might think.

Dr Chaz disproved the statement '18x more LIKLEY to have a serious accident' as we crash far less often than they PTB try to convince people of
I was at his public address last May at Cashmere club

The way that cop worded it is not really disputable because were are in fact 18x more likely to be SERIOUSLY HURT in serious crashes sadly
Stats back that statement up especially in cases of 100kmh+ incidents on rural roads


Been a bone in my throat for 2 years as well, but at least this cop used the right terminology this time so maybe...maybe some of them are starting to get it
These two doing that speed on SH1 are muppets...save it for the Gladstone loop LOL

(personal opinion of course ;) )

[Pixie]

"The threat that these motorcyclists present to themselves and other road users is similar to firing a gun down the road and not really caring if it hits someone.


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10699284&ref=rss

No.
More like

"The threat that these motorcyclists present to themselves and other road users is similar to a member of the NZ Police firing a gun down the road

[Pixie]

I had a German girlfriend I'd ride over to see. Cruising legally at around 120mph was pretty damn good fun. The German road users did seem to understand road safety very well indeed and speed related accidents were not common.

Ssssh...they don't want you to spread the fact that speed doesn't really kill.
Where is this "Germany" you speak of anyway?
Pfft.A made up name if I ever heard one.

[willytheekid]

:killingme

LOL...yup ya got me :facepalm:

"let alone"....there ya go Teach...may I take the dunce hat off now & rejoin the civilized group :sherlock:
http://www.liquidmatrix.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/dunce.gif
:laugh:

[Pixie]

"It was only good fortune that these incidents didn't result in a serious injury or fatality."


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10699284&ref=rss

"It was only good fortune and the fact the rider wasn't a member of the NZ Police, that these incidents didn't result in a serious injury or fatality."

[HenryDorsetCase]

"It was only good fortune and the fact the rider wasn't a member of the NZ Police, or near a U turning member of the NZ Polce, intent on meeting a performance target (not quota), that these incidents didn't result in a serious injury or fatality."

sorted that for you

[onearmedbandit]

Fact is, the open road speed limit is 100km/h. Not everyone agrees with it, but it remains so.

2nd Fact is, there are parts of roads down here that are suitable for higher speeds. Not everyone agrees with it, but it remains so.

Most of us here won't see 200+km/h on the open road, because it's widely seen as unsafe. Yet I guarantee there is less than 10% of road riders on here that don't exceed the open road speed limit by some amount, be it 10km/h or 30. So my question is, all you people saying 200+ is ridiculous, how much over the limit have you declared to be 'safe'...

[HenryDorsetCase]

Fact is, the open road speed limit is 100km/h. Not everyone agrees with it, but it remains so.

2nd Fact is, there are parts of roads down here that are suitable for higher speeds. Not everyone agrees with it, but it remains so.

Most of us here won't see 200+km/h on the open road, because it's widely seen as unsafe. Yet I guarantee there is less than 10% of road riders on here that don't exceed the open road speed limit by some amount, be it 10km/h or 30. So my question is, all you people saying 200+ is ridiculous, how much over the limit have you declared to be 'safe'...

its pretty hypocritical, huh? I ride as fast as I feel like riding, but being old, and not very good, nor very clever, I have a bike that discourages "excessive speed".

But, fucking hell, we've ALL done it: rush of blood to the head, PIN IT TO WIN IT, and some of us die, but not all of us.

But on SH1, where numb nuts was? Just making it to easy for the po po in my view.

[Edbear]

Fact is, the open road speed limit is 100km/h. Not everyone agrees with it, but it remains so.

2nd Fact is, there are parts of roads down here that are suitable for higher speeds. Not everyone agrees with it, but it remains so.

Most of us here won't see 200+km/h on the open road, because it's widely seen as unsafe. Yet I guarantee there is less than 10% of road riders on here that don't exceed the open road speed limit by some amount, be it 10km/h or 30. So my question is, all you people saying 200+ is ridiculous, how much over the limit have you declared to be 'safe'...

I think generally it is a psychological "thing" that most people "must" exceed the speed limit even if only a few km/h over. I tend to travel at "the speed the law allows", so if they have a 10km/h "tolerance", I'll usually sit on about 109 indicated, even knowing my speedo is about 3km/h fast at that speed. There is little cold logic involved in choosing one's "comfortable" speed.

I never did find the absolute top speed of my GSX600F but did see the higher side of 210 indicated in company with a Busa and two SV1000's on a clear, deserted, straight and level main highway and exceeding 190 at times, again only on deserted clear roads with plenty of vision and in conditions I felt were safe and would not upset anyone else. I have found the top speed of my C50T, two-up with my wife who wanted to see what she'd do... Again it was a deserted, straight and level road conducive to such speeds with no-one around to witness. Incidentally that was just nudging 170km/h.

In normal traffic conditions on normal roads and weather I am cautious to a fault and wouldn't have gone fast with anyone else on pillion either, and not if my wife hadn't both wanted to and been the kind of pillion she is...

I don't need a radar detector and never worry about speed cameras, which shows how I normally ride/drive. I feel the big problem is that most, or at least a significant number of bikers have a far different view of speeding and feel they can safely exceed the limit in most conditions and situations without regard to other road users or consequences.

Just my 2c...

[onearmedbandit]

I think generally it is a psychological "thing" that most people "must" exceed the speed limit even if only a few km/h over.

I'm talking about ever, not a habitual thing.

[Grubber]

I think generally it is a psychological "thing" that most people "must" exceed the speed limit even if only a few km/h over. I tend to travel at "the speed the law allows", so if they have a 10km/h "tolerance", I'll usually sit on about 109 indicated, even knowing my speedo is about 3km/h fast at that speed. There is little cold logic involved in choosing one's "comfortable" speed.

I never did find the absolute top speed of my GSX600F but did see the higher side of 210 indicated in company with a Busa and two SV1000's on a clear, deserted, straight and level main highway and exceeding 190 at times, again only on deserted clear roads with plenty of vision and in conditions I felt were safe and would not upset anyone else. I have found the top speed of my C50T, two-up with my wife who wanted to see what she'd do... Again it was a deserted, straight and level road conducive to such speeds with no-one around to witness. Incidentally that was just nudging 170km/h.

In normal traffic conditions on normal roads and weather I am cautious to a fault and wouldn't have gone fast with anyone else on pillion either, and not if my wife hadn't both wanted to and been the kind of pillion she is...

I don't need a radar detector and never worry about speed cameras, which shows how I normally ride/drive. I feel the big problem is that most, or at least a significant number of bikers have a far different view of speeding and feel they can safely exceed the limit in most conditions and situations without regard to other road users or consequences.

Just my 2c...

Totally agree. It's not about balls and shit either, it's about being practical. No radar detector on mine either, as i am just smart enough to know when it's appropriate to speed along a bit.

[bogan]

So my question is, all you people saying 200+ is ridiculous, how much over the limit have you declared to be 'safe'...

If there were no speed limits, I'd probably cruise at 130ish, and if I felt like a fang when there was no oncoming traffic and good visiblity, 200+ wouldn't be out of the question (would need a different bike though!).

Perhaps another thing to think about, if the road was straight, and the bike was going like a bullet, and his bike was in reasonable condition but not warrented, (all reasonable assumptions) the chances of a biker hitting somebody else are minimal unless the other driver cocks up, and if they cock up, the inertia of a bike hitting em at 200, is still less than a car at 100.

Of course the law is the law, and while some would be ok at speed, there are far too many numpties on the road, and the ensueing carnage would be the only way to distinguish one from the other if limits were removed. Toughen up licensing and relax on minor driving offenses I reckon.

[Grubber]

As I originally said, he was stupid for doing those speeds when other vehicles were around, and on those straights was asking to get pulled over and banned. I wouldn’t have wanted to be around him, nor would I want to stand in front of someone throwing a steak knife (???)

As for your first point, I agree that as you increase your speed you increase the risk. I don’t buy in to the fact that speed alone is bad though, and as a member of the 200+ club yourself I am not sure why you are getting so upset about it.

What upsets me is that they chose a busy public main road to do it. If someone had pulled out in front of them and someone had been killed, it would have been the speed that caused it, why you may ask, because the judged distance would have been calculated at far more using the 100k speed limit as a guide. Hence forth speed would have killed. My point is, there is a time and place for these things and what these guys do reflects on me.

[Grubber]

Fact is, the open road speed limit is 100km/h. Not everyone agrees with it, but it remains so.

2nd Fact is, there are parts of roads down here that are suitable for higher speeds. Not everyone agrees with it, but it remains so.

Most of us here won't see 200+km/h on the open road, because it's widely seen as unsafe. Yet I guarantee there is less than 10% of road riders on here that don't exceed the open road speed limit by some amount, be it 10km/h or 30. So my question is, all you people saying 200+ is ridiculous, how much over the limit have you declared to be 'safe'...

Pretty valid points you make. Not sure what i would call safe speed for me is. I think it is very much dictated by the environment at the time.
very well said though.:niceone:

[oneofsix]

What upsets me is that they chose a busy public main road to do it.

been trying to think of reasons for this behavior but failed. Best I could do was;

the the dude had been unlicenced so his bike had been sitting idle and the WOF and Reg expires, you need a wof to get a reg and you need a working bike to get a wof so they take it for a test ride. The traffic is slow cause some plonker feels that a nice straight stretch of SH1 should only be travelled at 80k so the bikerider decides to excutes a quick overtake whilst they have good visibility and nothing oncoming, no mention of yellow lines in the report. :devil2:

This isn't an excuse just trying to understand the rider. The fact that they had only just got their licence back suggests its more likely they are :wacko:

[Ocean1]

how much over the limit have you declared to be 'safe'...

There's at least a couple of places I know of where it's perfectly safe to tap the Buell out.

Not sure why you'd bother though.

[Gibbo89]

Come on, the limit to keep us alive is 100kph.
His bike was unwarranted and unregistered, though that woudl most likely be because it's not been ridden for 6 months due to his loss of licence and rather than get it road worthy and be sensible. Oh the wildness of youth.

I haven't read all the posts, but maybe he was so excited to get his license back that he was hauling ass to go get wof'd and rego'd so he can join the Wednesday Night Ride :eek:

[ellipsis]

...after a lifetime of owning bikes that would barely crack the magical ton, or 160kph mark, and as a youngster, trying to, these speeds (in excess of 220 k) seemed astronomical to me when they came along.When I was thrown a mates bike to "test", and taking it out on my local GP course, SH75, I was astounded when I realised that the digital readout wasnt really telling me it was 10 past 2 but that I was whistling along at that speed. I could not equate the old to the new. It felt so smooth and responsive and 'safe', compared to hanging on for grim death at 160ks on the old shit...I also realised as I scrubbed about 100ks off the speed with the abs in about 2 seconds that I was being a bad boy and entering the ranks of the temporary new zealander...I have not ridden anything like that since, but it was fucking cool while I was there...I have no idea of how fast I could be on a track with one of these bikes and I dont think I will ever find out...maybe the pre89 gpx 750 could get there?...

[onearmedbandit]

and entering the ranks of the temporary new zealander...

No disrespect intended, but I dislike that saying. I only say that because I haven't met anyone yet who has proven to me that they are a permanent fixture on this planet...

[steve_t]

...I have no idea of how fast I could be on a track with one of these bikes and I dont think I will ever find out...maybe the pre89 gpx 750 could get there?...

No interest in doing a track day?

[mashman]

The way that cop worded it is not really disputable because were are in fact 18x more likely to be SERIOUSLY HURT in serious crashes sadly
Stats back that statement up especially in cases of 100kmh+ incidents on rural roads


I dispute that. As a percentage of our vehicle population that may well be the case. But as a percentage of ALL serious road injuries, the ones that have ACTUALLY happened, motorcyclists have a tiny risk in relation to Cars (something i doubt that is taken into consideration). After all, serious crashes are serious irrespective of vehicle choice.

... and on occasion I have exceeded the OP's speed by quite a bit, and really really should be dead... although I choose my times and places very carefully.

[kiwifruit]

I did 204 just yesterday

indicated
.

[ellipsis]

No interest in doing a track day?

...I spend 90% of my riding time on a track, but only on things that would be pushing hard to break the 170k mark...

[steve_t]

...I spend 90% of my riding time on a track, but only on things that would be pushing hard to break the 170k mark...

Oh, sweet :niceone:

[Big Dave]

SH1.
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[DEATH_INC.]

204 pfffffttttt :bleh: I've been faster than that on the gravel. Wake me @ 300.....

[onearmedbandit]

204 pfffffttttt :bleh: I've been faster than that on the gravel. Wake me @ 300.....

Yeah but you're Death, speed can't kill you.

[StoneY]

I dispute that. As a percentage of our vehicle population that may well be the case. But as a percentage of ALL serious road injuries, the ones that have ACTUALLY happened, motorcyclists have a tiny risk in relation to Cars (something i doubt that is taken into consideration). After all, serious crashes are serious irrespective of vehicle choice.

... and on occasion I have exceeded the OP's speed by quite a bit, and really really should be dead... although I choose my times and places very carefully.

Mate you missed my contextual point

IF we crash AT SPEED we ARE 18x more likely to be seriously hurt....
But again we are not 18x more likley to CRASH, no sir no way uh aaaah! (wobbles head sideways with hands on hips)

:niceone:

[ajturbo]

He's 19, that says alot. Sad that he feels the need to take such a risk with his own life and others. That he holds so little value in his own.

The track, that's the place to go at that speed.

On another note, 140k on your bike, that's naughty.:Police:

Maybe the government should only allow 250's on the road, that would be funny.

Sorry Genie.... but unless you have lived like he has ( and i used too) you cannot really understand "it"

why do i not go that fast now?.. most will tell you that it is because i ride a buell... but the reason?.. i don't live down south any more.... and there are more cops with Quoters to fill than before... and .. the biggy.. i have not been caught..!!!!

[Brian d marge]

...after a lifetime of owning bikes that would barely crack the magical ton, or 160kph mark, and as a youngster, trying to, these speeds (in excess of 220 k) seemed astronomical to me when they came along.When I was thrown a mates bike to "test", and taking it out on my local GP course, SH75, I was astounded when I realised that the digital readout wasnt really telling me it was 10 past 2 but that I was whistling along at that speed. I could not equate the old to the new. It felt so smooth and responsive and 'safe', compared to hanging on for grim death at 160ks on the old shit...I also realised as I scrubbed about 100ks off the speed with the abs in about 2 seconds that I was being a bad boy and entering the ranks of the temporary new zealander...I have not ridden anything like that since, but it was fucking cool while I was there...I have no idea of how fast I could be on a track with one of these bikes and I dont think I will ever find out...maybe the pre89 gpx 750 could get there?...

80 MPH on a BSA Bantam
Balls of steel buddy ! ,,,, down the Finchly Road , I had testosterone back then ,

Stephen

[Swoop]

Just remember folks, this was NOT a fine for exceeding a "speed limit" set by some twat sitting in an office in Wellington.

It was for proving that speed DOES NOT KILL, and therefore contradicts the propaganda bullshit.

[JMemonic]

Fact is, the open road speed limit is 100km/h. Not everyone agrees with it, but it remains so.

2nd Fact is, there are parts of roads down here that are suitable for higher speeds. Not everyone agrees with it, but it remains so.

Most of us here won't see 200+km/h on the open road, because it's widely seen as unsafe. Yet I guarantee there is less than 10% of road riders on here that don't exceed the open road speed limit by some amount, be it 10km/h or 30. So my question is, all you people saying 200+ is ridiculous, how much over the limit have you declared to be 'safe'...


Good question, there are sections of state highway 1 (Kaikoura) that are 80Kph that have in the past sustained higher speeds, why the change? apparently because folks kept falling off the road there, sections of our local straight roads could easily see speeds of 160Kph (or the old school ton) due to them being so flat, straight and frankly boring, however as you rightly point out they are not rated at this, and I can think of several reasons why logic dictates the current limit.

Personally I feel our maximum limit on some roads for cars and motorcycles could be increased to 130Kph, but having been in a position where I was responsible for doing chunks of the w.o.f inspection all be it many years ago now I would be adverse to this change.

Look at the number of numbskull, slack jaw, idiots that consider lowering a car by cutting the springs with a hacksaw and then holding a small section of said spring in place with a hose clip we have here, surely all have seen these abominations travelling down the road that bounce all over the place as they have removed the shocks and lowered the dam thing so that at 30kph they can bounce half way into another lane when they hit a bump, if we were to increase the limits to 130Kph think of the carnage these types would cause.

Before we consider increasing the limits, we need to spend more on both construction to improve lane separation (and I don't want to imply support the use of WRB for this purpose), and drasticly improving driver/rider attitudes and education.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Somebody posted before that Ze Chermans (Don't mention the war!) dont seem to have too much speed related carnage: I suspect they are better drivers than us.

Stereotypical "national temperament" arguments dont work with me. They drink more beer, eat more sausage and sauerkraut and generally know how to have a good time (sometimes in other countries: Poland, most of Europe... I digress).

I think it is too easy to get a licence in NZ, and the training is woeful. Does anyone know what it takes to get to be a fully licenced motorist in Chermany? What specific training do they get? How long, whats covered?

and that. I did google but got a lot of (wait for it) german text.

[scumdog]

Somebody posted before that Ze Chermans (Don't mention the war!) dont seem to have too much speed related carnage: I suspect they are better drivers than us.:rolleyes:


AND the roads they do those speeds on tend to be better than ours - and with centre-dividers too...:rolleyes:

[onearmedbandit]

Somebody posted before that Ze Chermans (Don't mention the war!) dont seem to have too much speed related carnage: I suspect they are better drivers than us.

Stereotypical "national temperament" arguments dont work with me. They drink more beer, eat more sausage and sauerkraut and generally know how to have a good time (sometimes in other countries: Poland, most of Europe... I digress).

I think it is too easy to get a licence in NZ, and the training is woeful. Does anyone know what it takes to get to be a fully licenced motorist in Chermany? What specific training do they get? How long, whats covered?

and that. I did google but got a lot of (wait for it) german text.

I remember reading somewhere once that it was about US$2000 to sit your license and hours of training. So I went looking and found this...


Germany is a country that takes its driving very seriously. This is understandable when you realize that a German driver’s license costs over $2000, after a minimum of 25-45 hours of professional instruction plus 12 hours of theory, and such a license is good for life. (As of 2013, the German license must conform to the EU term of 10 or 15 years.)...................................... The practical, on-the-road training time has to include night driving, autobahn experience, in-town driving, and a multitude of other driving situations. The test for a German driver’s license includes questions about the mechanical aspects of an automobile, in addition to the usual examination on the rules of the road...

Linky (http://www.german-way.com/driving.html)

[HenryDorsetCase]

ooooh, good stuff


You will see speed limit signs (round) posted much less often in Germany than in the U.S. But German drivers are expected to know the law. In cities and towns, the speed limit (Tempolimit) is 50 km/h (31 mph) unless otherwise posted. In the last decade or so, the "30-Zone" has gained great popularity. These are residential areas with a posted 30 km/h (18 mph) speed limit to protect children and pedestrians who live in the neighborhood. On normal two-lane highways the limit is 100 km/h (62 mph). Cars towing trailers must stay under 80 km/h (50 mph). The autobahn has a “suggested” speed limit of 130 km/h (80 mph), a suggestion widely ignored by many Mercedes and Porsche drivers. They may suddenly appear out of nowhere, close behind, blinking their brights to move you out of their way. Not even $5.00-per-gallon gasoline can make most German drivers slow down.

In Austria, Germany, and Switzerland, children under the age of 13 are not allowed to sit in the front seat of any vehicle that has a back seat. Seat belts are mandatory for the driver and all passengers in the car, front and back





Cars marked “Fahrschule” (driving school) mean a student driver may be at the wheel. However, you don’t have too much to worry about; in typical thorough German fashion, Fahrschule cars are equipped with dual controls so that the instructor can take over any time the student gets into serious trouble. The practical, on-the-road training time has to include night driving, autobahn experience, in-town driving, and a multitude of other driving situations. The test for a German driver’s license includes questions about the mechanical aspects of an automobile, in addition to the usual examination on the rules of the road

[YellowDog]

Somebody posted before that Ze Chermans (Don't mention the war!) dont seem to have too much speed related carnage: I suspect they are better drivers than us.

Stereotypical "national temperament" arguments dont work with me. They drink more beer, eat more sausage and sauerkraut and generally know how to have a good time (sometimes in other countries: Poland, most of Europe... I digress).

I think it is too easy to get a licence in NZ, and the training is woeful. Does anyone know what it takes to get to be a fully licenced motorist in Chermany? What specific training do they get? How long, whats covered?

and that. I did google but got a lot of (wait for it) german text.

If our authorities and Police have a very poor and limited understanding of the actual road safety issues, which I believe to be the case, then there is no hope for any improvement.

Countries with higher speed limits than New Zealand suffer less deaths per capita than New Zealand does. Why is that?

It can't be anything to do with the quality of the roads or low driving standards :yes:

Oh it must be they're all going too fast :no:

[HenryDorsetCase]

If our authorities and Police have a very poor and limited understanding of the actual road safety issues, which I believe to be the case, then there is no hope for any improvement.

Countries with higher speed limits than New Zealand suffer less deaths per capita than New Zealand does. Why is that?

It can't be anything to do with the quality of the roads or low driving standards :yes:

Oh it must be they're all going too fast :no:

some of the fucktards I've seen are unsafe at any speed, including dead stopped. I'm sure you've seen them too.

[steve_t]

I remember reading somewhere once that it was about US$2000 to sit your license and hours of training. So I went looking and found this...



Linky (http://www.german-way.com/driving.html)

Mandatory minimum hours with professional instruction sounds good. Are there any arguments against having this?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Mandatory minimum hours with professional instruction sounds good. Are there any arguments against having this?

My Dad's been driving for 24 years and never had a accident! He can teach me to drive good au!!!

thats the level of "debate" you'd get.

Of course the only response is (apart from a 9mm to the head) "He might not have had any "accidents" but how many did he cause, motherfucker?"

[steve_t]

My Dad's been driving for 24 years and never had a accident! He can teach me to drive good au!!!

thats the level of "debate" you'd get.

Of course the only response is (apart from a 9mm to the head) "He might not have had any "accidents" but how many did he cause, motherfucker?"

What if he's a good driver but a shit teacher?

[mashman]

Mate you missed my contextual point

IF we crash AT SPEED we ARE 18x more likely to be seriously hurt....
But again we are not 18x more likley to CRASH, no sir no way uh aaaah! (wobbles head sideways with hands on hips)

:niceone:

I'd love to see the information these stats were generated from...

18x ... only if you split the road users up in to their user groups and use those numbers in your calculations... same as the ACC Levy calculation. It's not the road user, it's the vehicle :blink:. That's why I ignored your context... well, that and the fact that the safety equipment at 100+ in a car is "almost" rendered moot by the speed... Take the "user group" factor out of the calculation and you have an astonishingly different picture... or in fact just look at the facts :rofl:... 18x more likely at speed v's 78% of all road injuries does not compute!

[mashman]

Countries with higher speed limits than New Zealand suffer less deaths per capita than New Zealand does. Why is that?

Could it be because other countries can and do drive faster?

Ride through a 50 for 1 minute
Then blast away at 160 for 1 minute
Then go back to the 50...

That last 50 seems more like 30 right? Nothing has changed other than your perception of speed? Could it be that your reactions are up to speed, for want of a better expression and therefore you're less likely to crash? but that's just a theory.

[sinfull]

indicated
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That was K's i said, didn't make reference to how fast i was traveling !
Did 260 today , but making allowences for the gearing that's set for manfeild i'd say fuck knows ! Followed a truck down the highway, speedo said 140 haha sure as hell he was only doing 95 . Think i'm gonna be doing a few sproket changes on the 675 after the track day !

[Brian d marge]

Somebody posted before that Ze Chermans (Don't mention the war!) dont seem to have too much speed related carnage: I suspect they are better drivers than us.

Stereotypical "national temperament" arguments dont work with me. They drink more beer, eat more sausage and sauerkraut and generally know how to have a good time (sometimes in other countries: Poland, most of Europe... I digress).

I think it is too easy to get a licence in NZ, and the training is woeful. Does anyone know what it takes to get to be a fully licenced motorist in Chermany? What specific training do they get? How long, whats covered?

and that. I did google but got a lot of (wait for it) german text.

As part of my lie sence training over here , I had to watch a video on the chermans ( 2 -0 to us and an away game an all )
They do skid training , autobahn training and of course local roads ...

Quite a few hours of proffesional training , 15?? and its very expensive

unable to keep a job?? cant read or write ??? dont bother to apply for a lie sence

Stephen

[PrincessBandit]

As are half the comments...


200ks on a large modern bike is just a flick of the wrist

Flick of the wrist - back and forth, up and down, faster and faster until...



Fuck em i do what i want ........ till i get caught 3 times, then i walk for 3 months, then i do what i want !

Fuckin panzy site this is, 204 kph ? are you all club 250 now ?

Fuck you i need another drink !

Some of us want to live. Ride and live. Not ride and get wiped out by some wanky self centred ego prick who happens to lose control of his (make that his/her) bike when I have the misfortune to be on the same stretch of road as them.

[StoneY]

I'd love to see the information these stats were generated from...



Ask dr Lamb

Fact mate whether we like it or not, we are far more exposed to serious injury if/when it turns tits up, in serious crashes at highway speeds.
It was at his presntation these factors were dialled down, and there are just some scenario's we will always lose and crashes at speed on a public road is one of them.

Its not based on % of road users its based on reallity as far as 'more likley to be hurt'...size of fleet is irrelevant, as is number of incidents to ALL vehicles, cant compare apples with pears man

You cannot compare bike injuries to cars on mere numbers of incidents accross all vehicle classes, thats just using math to fool yourself bro.

You have to compare how bad the people are hurt and once at highway speed we do get hurt far worse as a rule when it goes to shit

[Headbanger]

Mandatory minimum hours with professional instruction sounds good. Are there any arguments against having this?

The fuckup is that instead of keeping the poor and stupid off our roads we would just set up massive tax payer provided slush funds to ensure the shitheads get the support needed to pass, No doubt a secondary support system would be created for the special ones with brown skin, then the standards would be lowered when it was discovered more maori were failing then anyone else, as this clearly would show the system was racist.

The reparations would cost billions, our roads would still be full of cunts, we would be poorer, and a small group would have all our fucking money.


FUCK.

[mashman]

Ask dr Lamb

Fact mate whether we like it or not, we are far more exposed to serious injury if/when it turns tits up, in serious crashes at highway speeds.
It was at his presntation these factors were dialled down, and there are just some scenario's we will always lose and crashes at speed on a public road is one of them.

Its not based on % of road users its based on reallity as far as 'more likley to be hurt'...size of fleet is irrelevant, as is number of incidents to ALL vehicles, cant compare apples with pears man


We are far more exposed, I'd have to be insane to deny it and I don't doubt it for a minute, and I certainly wouldn't restrict our vulnerability to speed alone (i can die doing 30)... that is the reality I accept every time I throw my leg over the Prila... I can get wiped at a T junction. Do T junctions kill people in cars?



You cannot compare bike injuries to cars on mere numbers of incidents accross all vehicle classes, thats just using math to fool yourself bro.


Why not? They are injuries that have happened on the same roads... it's the human that's at "fault", not the vehicle. A vehicle doesn't crash itself does it?

And to parrot... Out of ALL of the incidents on ALL of the roads in the country, the roads that morotcyclists and cars share :shit:, 78% of the total injuries for 2009 were cars and their inhabitants FACT... figures published by Transport. How am I fooling myself with that math? It is a FACT. (Or are you projecting denial :rofl: jokin mate.)

I'm using the same roads as everyone else, just a different mode of transport to the masses. Please read the 1st paragraph before telling me i'm dreamin... I AM FULLY AWARE OF THE RISKS... i'll stick with the bike ta if the alternative is being one of the 78%, however silly that seems to some



You have to compare how bad the people are hurt and once at highway speed we do get hurt far worse as a rule when it goes to shit

We're not going to agree :rofl: unless you can convince me otherwise, but with 78% of the injuries being caused in cars, you'll have your work cut out. (potentially 78% of ACC costs too :yes:)... a serious injury is a serious injury irrespective of vehicle type and/or risk. That is a FACT.

[FJRider]

The fuckup is that instead of keeping the poor and stupid off our roads we would just set up massive tax payer provided slush funds to ensure the shitheads get the support needed to pass, No doubt a secondary support system would be created for the special ones with brown skin, then the standards would be lowered when it was discovered more maori were failing then anyone else, as this clearly would show the system was racist.

The reparations would cost billions, our roads would still be full of cunts, we would be poorer, and a small group would have all our fucking money.


FUCK.

Too close to what could be percieved as the truth ... by some ... :lol:

Your initials aren't PC ... are they ???? nahhh thought as much ...

[Smifffy]

. Incidentally that was just nudging 170km/h.

In normal traffic conditions on normal roads and weather I am cautious to a fault and wouldn't have gone fast with anyone else on pillion either, and not if my wife hadn't both wanted to and been the kind of pillion she is...



I had the Moll on pillion hooning around Manfeild on the C50T - that was kinda cool!

[Edbear]

I had the Moll on pillion hooning around Manfeild on the C50T - that was kinda cool!

My wife wouldn't like that, she hates the sound of the warning-knobs scraping in the corners! She hits me when I do that... LOL!!! I could scrape the toes of my boots on the GSX-F though as she couldn't hear that... :msn-wink:

[FJRider]

My wife wouldn't like that, she hates the sound of the warning-knobs scraping in the corners! She hits me when I do that... LOL!!! I could scrape the toes of my boots on the GSX-F though as she couldn't hear that... :msn-wink:

Thats because they're YOUR boots .... and I reckon she would have felt them touch ground ...

[Smifffy]

Perhaps another thing to think about, if the road was straight, and the bike was going like a bullet, and his bike was in reasonable condition but not warrented, (all reasonable assumptions) the chances of a biker hitting somebody else are minimal unless the other driver cocks up, and if they cock up, the inertia of a bike hitting em at 200, is still less than a car at 100.



The momentum would indeed be similar, perhaps even less, as:

p(momentum) = m(mass) x v(velocity)

However the kinetic energy would be much greater, since that increases exponentially with speed (as a square actually)

Viz:

E(k) (Kinetic energy) = 1/2 m(mass) x V^2 (velocity x velocity)

Some geeky guy that I used to watch on tv once said:

"Ye cannae change the laws of physics Jim"

He was hard core.

Would you rather be hit by a 1kg object at 10 km/h

or

a 0.1 kg object at 100 km/h?

Not everything in life is linear.

[Smifffy]

AND the roads they do those speeds on tend to be better than ours - and with centre-dividers too...:rolleyes:

So then it isn't the speed that kills, but the inferior roads without centre-dividers?

[Smifffy]

The fuckup is that instead of keeping the poor and stupid off our roads we would just set up massive tax payer provided slush funds to ensure the shitheads get the support needed to pass

FUCK.

Better than that, we even pay the poor & stupid to breed....

[Big Dave]

"Ye cannae change the laws of physics Jim"

Not everything in life is linear.

I prefer bent (in a non-gay, not that there's anything wrong with that) absurd kinda way.

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[scumdog]

So then it isn't the speed that kills, but the inferior roads without centre-dividers?

Nah, the speed never kills - it's the impact of the unplanned stop that does it.

But it's easier for idjits if you just tell them 'speed kills'

And it's not just the roads that are inferior, the riders and drivers are too....:shifty:

[bogan]

The momentum would indeed be similar, perhaps even less, as:

p(momentum) = m(mass) x v(velocity)

However the kinetic energy would be much greater, since that increases exponentially with speed (as a square actually)

Viz:

E(k) (Kinetic energy) = 1/2 m(mass) x V^2 (velocity x velocity)

Some geeky guy that I used to watch on tv once said:

"Ye cannae change the laws of physics Jim"

He was hard core.

Would you rather be hit by a 1kg object at 10 km/h

or

a 0.1 kg object at 100 km/h?

Not everything in life is linear.

fair enuf, but double velocity = 4x kenetic energy, but a bike and rider is around a quarter of the mass of a car, so it's pretty much the same.

[Smifffy]

And it's not just the roads that are inferior, the riders and drivers are too....:shifty:

I am sure you have seen some slack-jawed hicks in Dakota struggling their way along the roads at 70-80 MPH.

The condition of some of their vehicles is terrifying too...

But they ain't dead yet.

[bogan]

But it's easier for idjits if you just tell them 'speed kills'

And it's not just the roads that are inferior, the riders and drivers are too....:shifty:

I know right, and it sucks that the only possible way to make driver and riders better, is to mislead them, then use that misleading campaign to justify user taxation. :rolleyes:

[Grasshopperus]

does anyone recognise the photo (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/8635350/police-warn-motorcyclists-after-teen-clocked-at-204kmh/) :shit: ahhh the media

Revisionism in NZ.

We are at war with Eurasia. We have always been at war with Eurasia.

[Headbanger]

And it's not just the roads that are inferior, the riders and drivers are too....:shifty:

Has nothing to do with the roads, if the fuckers were competent, they would live.

I'm pretty damn fucking confident I can drive or ride any stretch of road in NZ and live to tell the tale.

[Headbanger]

Although I have crashed quite a few times.


:niceone:

[HenryDorsetCase]

I prefer bent (in a non-gay, not that there's anything wrong with that) absurd kinda way.
>

a travesty of the well-known documentary series, Star Trek. I mean really.

[Swoop]

ooooh, good stuff
You may find, buried amongst all the aufwagenfhartenfuhrerschlossen stuff, that a family member cannot train a sibling.
I posted some stuff a short while ago, gained from a Germanic Citizen workmate, that referred to this.
A total bloody shame that we do not have that rule here. (Did you hear that? Gubbinment, another opportunity to make a rule in NZ!!!)

[StoneY]

A total bloody shame that we do not have that rule here. (Did you hear that? Gubbinment, another opportunity to make a rule in NZ!!!)

SSSSSHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!


:shutup:

[FJRider]

Has nothing to do with the roads, if the fuckers were competent, they would live.

I'm pretty damn fucking confident I can drive or ride any stretch of road in NZ and live to tell the tale.

It's the incompetent that may be the cause ... but are not necessarily/always ... the ones that die ...

they live ..

to do it again ...

[Swoop]

SSSSSHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!:shutup:
Why? So we cannot stop the handing-down of BAD habits?

Seriously, kiwi drivers need to lift their bloody standards!

[Edbear]

Has nothing to do with the roads, if the fuckers were competent, they would live.

I'm pretty damn fucking confident I can drive or ride any stretch of road in NZ and live to tell the tale.

I've driven/ridden millions of km over the last 40 years, throughout a large portion of this country, repeatedly going through so-called "black spots" and passed hundreds of those white crosses and I'm still alive... Am I immune to the roads of this land as are so many here..?


Although I have crashed quite a few times.


:niceone:

Shhhh... I've crashed once, last May at 45km/h... :msn-wink:

[StoneY]

Shhhh... I've crashed once, last May at 45km/h... :msn-wink:

I crashed in my own driveway...maybe we should list it as a black spot and adjust the speed limit for that streatch of tarmac?

[FJRider]

I crashed in my own driveway...maybe we should list it as a black spot and adjust the speed limit for that streatch of tarmac?

Then install a hidden speed camera

[Banditbandit]

160 odd is reasonable (stupid) but reasonable. 204 is just madness. Some of us survived our youth, god only knows how though lol

Shit ... I survived more than that recently ... and I'm over 50 ...

[Edbear]

I crashed in my own driveway...maybe we should list it as a black spot and adjust the speed limit for that streatch of tarmac?

They do say most accidents occur within 20km of home, but don't you think you're taking that a bit far...? :msn-wink:


Then install a hidden speed camera

Put the fines into the booze account...?

[FJRider]

Put the fines into the booze account...?

or worse ... the wife will put it in hers ...

[Edbear]

or worse ... the wife will put it in hers ...

Then you can catch her for DIC and put her fines into yours... :niceone:

[FJRider]

Then you can catch her for DIC and put her fines into yours... :niceone:

mmmmmmm .... then no-parking signs may appear on your side of the bed.

[Edbear]

mmmmmmm .... then no-parking signs may appear on your side of the bed.

I see your point... :doh:

[FJRider]

I see your point... :doh:

besides ... it's the wife's duty to be sober driver ... isn't it ... ??? :stupid:

[Edbear]

besides ... it's the wife's duty to be sober driver ... isn't it ... ??? :stupid:

My wife prefers to be the tipsy passenger... She's so funny when she's had a few! :innocent:

[scumdog]

In true KB fashion this thread is a country mile off topic!!:wait:

[StoneY]

In true KB fashion this thread is a country mile off topic!!:wait:

Oh but is it?????

:drinkup:

[Smifffy]

In true KB fashion this thread is a country mile off topic!!:wait:

Yeah, but the original topic was getting boring. 204 km/h is mother's milk after all.

[StoneY]

Yeah, but the original topic was getting boring. 204 km/h is mother's milk after all.

Yeah only 3rd gear on the Ducati...pffffttttt

[Oakie]

In true KB fashion this thread is a country mile off topic!!:wait:

According to my calculations that fool would have covered that 'country mile' (1609 metres) in 28.39 seconds at 204kph.

[Max Preload]

According to my calculations that fool would have covered that 'country mile' (1609 metres) in 28.39 seconds at 204kph.28.40s. There are 1609.344m in a statute mile.

[Oakie]

28.40s. There are 1609.344m in a statute mile.

Damn me and my casual rounding down.

[Ocean1]

28.40s. There are 1609.344m in a statute mile.

And 1852 in a proper one.

[crazyhorse]

the number of motorcycle casualties since 2008 was more than double the total for 2000.

wouldent that be expected?
3 years vs 1 year of data

Yeah, but the amount of motorcyclists on the road since 2000 have also increased in those 8 years. So guess it stands to reason there would be more incidents......:eek:

[Banditbandit]

Yeah only 3rd gear on the Ducati...pffffttttt

Yeah .. one more gear to go ...

[Banditbandit]

In true KB fashion this thread is a country mile off topic!!:wait:

Fuck .. KB doesn't have topics .. only Threads

[Camshaft]

if he was on a straight bit of country road with no1 around its not a big deal reali. the only reason we get litre bikes or 6's is to go fasssssssttttttttt

[StoneY]

Yeah .. one more gear to go ...

Nah 3 more...... The ST is a 6 speed!
On the 'test ride' was doing a fair clip past Judgeford in 5th gear, 2up, thinking 'hmmmmmm.....7000rpm...speedo says xxx.... top speed is MEANT to be xxx....there HAS to be another gear.....?':confused:

Click...yep!:wings:

SOLD :eek: