Sounds a bit scary when you put it all together...

[Edbear]

All in one month ......

http://www.naturalnews.com/030985_mysterious_deaths_birds.html#ixzz1AtZkAwi9

12.13.10 - Thousands of dead barramundi fish wash up in Australia, unknown causes (http://www.themorningbulletin.com.a...)

12.15.10 - Thousands of dead fish wash ashore on Florida beach, blamed on cold weather (http://www.cfnews13.com/article/new...)

12.17.10 - Dead fish wash ashore at lake beach in Indiana, blamed on winter storms (http://www.wndu.com/localnews/headl...)

12.18.10 - Thousands of dead fish turn up in bay in Philippines, unknown causes (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/ce...)

12.22.10 - More than a hundred dead pelicans turn up in North Carolina, unknown causes (http://www.carteretnewstimes.com/ar...)

12.23.10 - Hundreds of dead sea creatures wash ashore in South Carolina, blamed on cold water (http://www.abcnews4.com/Global/stor...)

12.23.10 - Ten tons of mostly dead fish found in fishing net in New Zealand, unknown causes (http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/loc...)

12.27.10 - Scores of dead fish wash ashore in a lake in Haiti, unknown causes (http://www.france24.com/en/20101227...)

12.28.10 - 70 bats found dead in Tucson, Ariz., unknown causes (http://www.azcentral.com/news/artic...)

12.29.10 - Dozens of fish found dead in San Antonio, Texas, unknown causes (http://www.ksat.com/news/26316464/d...)

12.31.10 - 5,000+ birds found dead in Arkansas, suffering from massive trauma and blood clots (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/03/ar...)

01.03.11 - 100,000+ dead drum fish found in Arkansas river, unknown causes (http://www.todaysthv.com/news/local...)

01.03.11 - Dozens of dead birds show up in a woman's backyard in Kentucky, unknown causes (http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/loca...)

01.03.11 - Tens of thousands of dead fish wash ashore in Chesapeake Bay, Md., blamed on cold water (http://www.wbaltv.com/r/26357581/de...)

01.03.11 - 100 tons of dead fish wash ashore in Brazil, unknown causes (http://www.care2.com/greenliving/10...)

01.04.11 - Several dead manatees found on Florida coast, unknown causes (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...)

01.04.11 - Thousands of dead fish wash up on creek in Florida, unknown causes (http://www.wftv.com/news/26367953/d...)

01.04.11 - Hundreds of dead fish was ashore on St. Clair River in Ontario, Can., unknown causes (http://www.torontosun.com/news/cana...)

01.04.11 - Hundreds of dead black birds found on highway in Louisiana, suffering from internal injuries and blood clots (http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/11...)

01.05.11 - Hundreds of dead birds found on highway in Texas, unknown causes (http://www.ktre.com/global/story.as...)

01.05.11 - Large amount of dead fish wash up on New Zealand beaches, unknown causes (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...)

01.05.11 - Up to 100 jackdaw birds found dead on road in Sweden, unknown causes (http://www.thelocal.se/31262/20110105/)

01.06.11 - 40,000+ dead Devil crabs washed ashore in the U.K., unknown causes (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_...)

01.07.11 - More than 1,000 dead turtle doves found in Italy, unknown causes (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...)

01.10.11 - Countless fish found dead in U.K. brook, unknown causes (http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/...)

01.11.11 - Thousands of gizzard shad fish float to the top of Lake Michigan and wash up on the shores near Chicago, blamed on cold weather

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/030985_mysterious_deaths_birds.html#ixzz1Au4n9DQG

[Katman]

The Rev Jim Jones has been collaborating with Dr Doolittle.

[PrincessBandit]

The Rev Jim Jones has been collaborating with Dr Doolittle.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[mashman]

Oil, dispersant, possible? Frozen North, Wet South - Queensland, Rio?

Why nothing on the West Coast of the US? Why only the East? Tis just a theory :)

http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/images/oceandeepcur.jpg

[idb]

It is the End Of The World (TM)

[Pascal]

It is the End Of The World (TM)

Yeah. Time to sell the house, buy a dream bike, load the wife up and go for a last, nihilistic and hedonistic cruise across the continental United States so we can watch the end of the world from some hilltop on the west coast.

[Edbear]

It is the End Of The World (TM)

You could be right. The scientists are telling us the oceans are dying and we have between 30 - 50 years before they are completely dead. They also say it is now irreversible. And while you can argue the contribution of Mankind to global climate change, the death of the ocean's is entirely Man's fault through over-fishing and pollution.

For some reason also, every year the US bee count reduces by a staggering 30% and they don't know why.

[Edbear]

Yeah. Time to sell the house, buy a dream bike, load the wife up and go for a last, nihilistic and hedonistic cruise across the continental United States so we can watch the end of the world from some hilltop on the west coast.

One should appreciate each day we have as any day could be our last, but I'd hestitate about selling everything up at the moment as if the world doesn't end by the time you get there, you may have to come back for a while... :msn-wink:

[Pascal]

One should appreciate each day we have as any day could be our last, but I'd hestitate about selling everything up at the moment as if the world doesn't end by the time you get there, you may have to come back for a while... :msn-wink:

Sssssh... don't tell my wife that! ;)

[Toaster]

All in one month ......

http://www.naturalnews.com/030985_mysterious_deaths_birds.html#ixzz1AtZkAwi9

12.13.10 - Thousands of dead barramundi fish wash up in Australia, unknown causes (http://www.themorningbulletin.com.a...)

12.15.10 - Thousands of dead fish wash ashore on Florida beach, blamed on cold weather (http://www.cfnews13.com/article/new...)

12.17.10 - Dead fish wash ashore at lake beach in Indiana, blamed on winter storms (http://www.wndu.com/localnews/headl...)

12.18.10 - Thousands of dead fish turn up in bay in Philippines, unknown causes (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/ce...)

12.22.10 - More than a hundred dead pelicans turn up in North Carolina, unknown causes (http://www.carteretnewstimes.com/ar...)

12.23.10 - Hundreds of dead sea creatures wash ashore in South Carolina, blamed on cold water (http://www.abcnews4.com/Global/stor...)

12.23.10 - Ten tons of mostly dead fish found in fishing net in New Zealand, unknown causes (http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/loc...)

12.27.10 - Scores of dead fish wash ashore in a lake in Haiti, unknown causes (http://www.france24.com/en/20101227...)

12.28.10 - 70 bats found dead in Tucson, Ariz., unknown causes (http://www.azcentral.com/news/artic...)

12.29.10 - Dozens of fish found dead in San Antonio, Texas, unknown causes (http://www.ksat.com/news/26316464/d...)

12.31.10 - 5,000+ birds found dead in Arkansas, suffering from massive trauma and blood clots (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/03/ar...)

01.03.11 - 100,000+ dead drum fish found in Arkansas river, unknown causes (http://www.todaysthv.com/news/local...)

01.03.11 - Dozens of dead birds show up in a woman's backyard in Kentucky, unknown causes (http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/loca...)

01.03.11 - Tens of thousands of dead fish wash ashore in Chesapeake Bay, Md., blamed on cold water (http://www.wbaltv.com/r/26357581/de...)

01.03.11 - 100 tons of dead fish wash ashore in Brazil, unknown causes (http://www.care2.com/greenliving/10...)

01.04.11 - Several dead manatees found on Florida coast, unknown causes (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...)

01.04.11 - Thousands of dead fish wash up on creek in Florida, unknown causes (http://www.wftv.com/news/26367953/d...)

01.04.11 - Hundreds of dead fish was ashore on St. Clair River in Ontario, Can., unknown causes (http://www.torontosun.com/news/cana...)

01.04.11 - Hundreds of dead black birds found on highway in Louisiana, suffering from internal injuries and blood clots (http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/11...)

01.05.11 - Hundreds of dead birds found on highway in Texas, unknown causes (http://www.ktre.com/global/story.as...)

01.05.11 - Large amount of dead fish wash up on New Zealand beaches, unknown causes (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...)

01.05.11 - Up to 100 jackdaw birds found dead on road in Sweden, unknown causes (http://www.thelocal.se/31262/20110105/)

01.06.11 - 40,000+ dead Devil crabs washed ashore in the U.K., unknown causes (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_...)

01.07.11 - More than 1,000 dead turtle doves found in Italy, unknown causes (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...)

01.10.11 - Countless fish found dead in U.K. brook, unknown causes (http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/...)

01.11.11 - Thousands of gizzard shad fish float to the top of Lake Michigan and wash up on the shores near Chicago, blamed on cold weather

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/030985_mysterious_deaths_birds.html#ixzz1Au4n9DQG

14.01.11 Time to go for a ride.

15.01.11 Time to go for a ride.

16.01.11 Time to go for a ride and a blat around Pukekohe.


Forecast: more riding with a high chance of fun.
Now that's news.

[Toaster]

strange repetition of post....... deleted.

[oneofsix]

14.01.11 Time to go for a ride.

15.01.11 Time to go for a ride.

16.01.11 Time to go for a ride and a blat around Pukekohe.


Forecast: more riding with a high chance of fun.
Now that's news.

no that's normal :niceone:
ride on

[Toaster]

repeated post... server error????

[Edbear]

Wish I could come too.... :bye:

[Daffyd]

Chemtrails?

[Toaster]

Wish I could come too.... :bye:

Me too mate. One day grasshopper.:msn-wink:

[Edbear]

Me too mate. One day grasshopper.:msn-wink:

Yup! I'd also love to take the MX5 around a track, that would be fun, too! :yes:

[DangerMice]

I'd check those dates against Fatt Max's pie eating schedule. By the time that lot has been flushed down the crapper and dispersed into the ocean, I doubt any fish could survive.

[idb]

Liz Hurley shagging Shane Warne has got to be a sign.
A few months ago I would have suggested something to do with Hell freezing over...in that case, maybe it's a good sign!

[Edbear]

Just more evidence of the world's mental degeneration... :msn-wink:

[Toaster]

Yup! I'd also love to take the MX5 around a track, that would be fun, too! :yes:

Race ya....:msn-wink:

[Edbear]

Race ya....:msn-wink:

A two lap race with me getting a lap start...? :innocent:

[Toaster]

A two lap race with me getting a lap start...? :innocent:

You're on! So... Hybrid or Hayabusa?!

[Edbear]

You're on! So... Hybrid or Hayabusa?!

Hybrid??? It does run well on 98 but it's not electrifying...

[Edbear]

It's better looking than any hybrid, too...

[Toaster]

It's better looking than any hybrid, too...

My 06 Civic is red, tinted windows and new avanti mags..... will post a pic once its washed, but it does look good for a Hybrid.

Will have to post up some new ones of the bike since its been modified... again.

[Edbear]

My 06 Civic is red, tinted windows and new avanti mags..... will post a pic once its washed, but it does look good for a Hybrid.

Will have to post up some new ones of the bike since its been modified... again.

Oh I wasn't realising you meant your car... In that case I only want half a lap head start... :msn-wink:

[Genie]

It's not like you haven't been warned, though many refuse to listen (so some beleive)

[Edbear]

It's not like you haven't been warned, though many refuse to listen (so some beleive)

Some find facing reality too painful and scary when they don't have an answer or solution...

[mashman]

Some find facing reality too painful and scary when they don't have an answer or solution...

so they spin selected data and waste vast sums of money :facepalm:... the answer and solution is to remove money from the equation :yes:... but that's too hard :blink:

[Fatt Max]

Just more evidence of the world's mental degeneration... :msn-wink:

I'm considering a diet.....

[Edbear]

I'm considering a diet.....

LOL!!! I was referring to the lovely Liz Hurley... :yes:

I thought you were already on a diet... a pie diet... :bleh:

[scissorhands]

Saw that angel hair, and many dead sea birds at Piha...something is going on

[Genie]

Oil, dispersant, possible? Frozen North, Wet South - Queensland, Rio?

Why nothing on the West Coast of the US? Why only the East? Tis just a theory :)

http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/images/oceandeepcur.jpg

Where on here is that bit of oil the BP spilled?

[Genestho]

Makes you wonder how much damage that spill's done, not an isolated incident - certainly one of the most significant..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_spills

On the left of the Map is North and South America, between the two you'll see a sharp 'elbow' in the red warm current flow, that's the Gulf of Mexico....

Closeup GOM Map (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_W4o9cwtsh4A/TNdNrSZVAkI/AAAAAAAAABA/V8ml1P4avfE/s1600/gulf-of-mexico-map.gif)

Deepwater Horizon -More info and Map (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill)

[2wheeldrifter]

My computer skill amaze me at times....

[Genie]

Makes you wonder how much damage that spill's done, not an isolated incident - certainly one of the most significant..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_spills

On the left of the Map is North and South America, between the two you'll see a sharp 'elbow' in the red warm current flow, that's the Gulf of Mexico....

Closeup GOM Map (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_W4o9cwtsh4A/TNdNrSZVAkI/AAAAAAAAABA/V8ml1P4avfE/s1600/gulf-of-mexico-map.gif)

Deepwater Horizon -More info and Map (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill)

Thanks, i did know where it was...as do you and we both know how important that flow of water is. The earth depends upon it...put together with some nasty earthquakes changing the shape of the earth...winding down faster now.

[Genie]

My computer skill amaze me at times....

could you not see my tongue in cheek when you read my post?

[mashman]

:killingme... just not as elegant as 2WD's version


Where on here is that bit of oil the BP spilled?

Just there...

228829

[mashman]

could you not see my tongue in cheek when you read my post?

that makes 2 of us... oh, now I have guilt...

[marty]

George Carlin puts it in perspective

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4&feature=related

[2wheeldrifter]

could you not see my tongue in cheek when you read my post?

You want my tongue where????

[2wheeldrifter]

:killingme... just not as elegant as 2WD's version



Just there...

228829

Oh thats right mock a young and up coming computer "drawer" phew some people just gota show off!

[2wheeldrifter]

that makes 2 of us... oh, now I have guilt...

Dirty ole man, who's cheek was it in?

[Woodman]

so they spin selected data and waste vast sums of money :facepalm:... the answer and solution is to remove money from the equation :yes:... but that's too hard :blink:


I think you are 100% correct.

Ah well its been a good ride.

And no one mentioned the dead penguins being washed up on Nelson beaches.

[mashman]

And no one mentioned the dead penguins being washed up on Nelson beaches.

I dread to think what else hasn't been reported :blink:

[Genestho]

Thanks, i did know where it was...
Ah, ok! :wait: Sometimes hard to spot sarcasm in teh interweb context! :doh:


could you not see my tongue in cheek when you read my post?
http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/ndi0244l.jpg


that makes 2 of us... oh, now I have guilt...
plus 1 is 3!!:eek:


George Carlin puts it in perspective

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4&feature=related
George rocks, love his work, although it is a little disturbing when fish and birds die enmass!


You want my tongue where????
http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/jdo0046l.jpg

[EJK]

<img src="http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ld6n7g2k091qbqztyo1_500.jpg" />

[Edbear]

Climate change is a reality, the argument is over how much Man has influenced it, and the answer may well be "very little." What is certain, though, is that Man is destroying the environment faster than it can recover and as a direct result of Mankind's own actions, he is heading for extinction. In short, we are killing ourselves and this is not the result of any so-called evolutionary or natural processes of nature.

Man's self-destruction is entirely avoidable and unnecessary, yet we have - according to the general scientific opinion - somewhere between 30 and 100 years. The 100 year guess is very optimistic and most are picking 30 - 50 years. That is not long when you think about the process. Well within our own lifetimes we are going to be affected by a dying ecosystem with cost and availablility of food and fuel being dramatically affected. We are already seeing the effects in third-world countries and even here which by world standards is a paradise of plenty, we are beginning to find ourselves affected by rising prices.

Man is the most adaptable life-form on the planet barring bacteria and we have the advantage of being able to manipulate our environment to suit ourselves to a large degree, so we could survive climate change, an Ice-age or a number of variables. We could fix the issues facing the Earth yet we seem hell-bent on destroying ourselves as fast as possible. Man's extinction is inevitable and far sooner than we may think or want. It is also inexcusable because he's doing it entirely to himself.

I'm not a Doomsdayer, I am simply telling what the scientists are saying after researching the evidence about the oceans, the forests, the ground we walk on, the atmosphere and the animal life. People don't want to think about these things, don't want to face them and are afraid to ask the questions...

[2wheeldrifter]

Ah, ok!


http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/jdo0046l.jpg


Are saying I have verbal diarrhea.... oh the cheek!

:msn-wink:

[mashman]

I'm not a Doomsdayer, I am simply telling what the scientists are saying after researching the evidence about the oceans, the forests, the ground we walk on, the atmosphere and the animal life. People don't want to think about these things, don't want to face them and are afraid to ask the questions...

Mans self destruction is profit driven. Oceans, forests and ecosystems are destroyed for profit. I read somewhere that it takes approx 1800 litres of water to complete a pair of jeans. Do we really need jeans? Where does that 1800 lites of water end up? Same can be said for EVERY other product on the planet... where does the waste go? More's the point, why are we making these things when we know it fucks up the environment? PROFIT :facepalm:... without profit driven motives, this will change exceptionally quickly for mankind and the planet may well start to heal itself. People would have to be seriously blind not to see this :yes:

... and yet the intelligencia, or world leaders :killingme don't... shows you how unbelievably fucking stupid these people really are.

[marty]

I read somewhere that it takes approx 1800 litres of water to complete a pair of jeans. Do we really need jeans? Where does that 1800 lites of water end up? .

see this is clever marketing by the eco-warriers. where does the jean manufactur start and stop? from watering the cotton to the shipmaster's coffee on the delivery voyage? what about how much water is 'consumed' during the life cycle of a pair? how much water is used washing them once a month? or once a week? if a person drinks 2 litres of fluid a day, over the course of an 80 year-old's life, they will consume 58400 litres of water in their life. that doesn't take toilet use, showers, cooking etc into account. the numbers are huge, yet all of that water is returned to the earth in some form - the only water you retain is that which makes up 70% of your body weight - and the earth will get that back eventually anyway.

take a good look at the earth's cycles over the past million or 2 years - even a nuclear war would not wipe out the earth. it would make an impact, but wouldn't make it 100% unihabitable

[puddytat]

Man is the most adaptable life-form on the planet barring bacteria and we have the advantage of being able to manipulate our environment to suit ourselves to a large degree, so we could survive climate change, an Ice-age or a number of variables. We could fix the issues facing the Earth yet we seem hell-bent on destroying ourselves as fast as possible. Man's extinction is inevitable and far sooner than we may think or want. It is also inexcusable because he's doing it entirely to himself.

...

"I have to spread it around..."
We're not as clever as we'd like to think eh.
Shame we're going to miss the next step in evolution cause we cant seem to be able to work together, or learn from History, just 'cause some outdated financial system has made us all so desperate.
We are missing the greatest opportunity our species has faced, what greater goal than to assure our existance & that of our life support system, Planet Earth ?
To do that means that we have to make some hefty decisions & we're all to fucking selfish for that.

[george formby]

You could be right. The scientists are telling us the oceans are dying and we have between 30 - 50 years before they are completely dead. They also say it is now irreversible. And while you can argue the contribution of Mankind to global climate change, the death of the ocean's is entirely Man's fault through over-fishing and pollution.

For some reason also, every year the US bee count reduces by a staggering 30% and they don't know why.

Somebody has a very good idea....

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8f3_1292442097

[george formby]

Mans self destruction is profit driven. Oceans, forests and ecosystems are destroyed for profit. I read somewhere that it takes approx 1800 litres of water to complete a pair of jeans. Do we really need jeans? Where does that 1800 lites of water end up? Same can be said for EVERY other product on the planet... where does the waste go? More's the point, why are we making these things when we know it fucks up the environment? PROFIT :facepalm:... without profit driven motives, this will change exceptionally quickly for mankind and the planet may well start to heal itself. People would have to be seriously blind not to see this :yes:

... and yet the intelligencia, or world leaders :killingme don't... shows you how unbelievably fucking stupid these people really are.

Er, fucking selfish greedy atavistic people, but certainly not stupid.

[Pussy]

Err... don't profits enable us to buy consumer goods?

[Edbear]

Somebody has a very good idea....

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8f3_1292442097

It wouldn't surprise me in the least that toxic pollution includes this kind of devastation of the bees.


Er, fucking selfish greedy atavistic people, but certainly not stupid.

No, not stupid, at least in the more "Westernised" countries and I include the European nations in that, but the issue is in getting the various Governments to agree on action and work together. Some are trying to and there is much going on behind the scenes, but as an example, the Japanese whaling issue is typical of what stands in the way. Not just the issue of whaling itself, but in the way the world is trying to sort it out. It is politics getting in the way. It's not acceptable for one nation, eg. the USA to impose its will upon another, eg. Japan, in the interests of the ecology. Extend that problem world-wide to every issue, including deforestation and you start to see why it's not going to stop.

[Edbear]

Err... don't profits enable us to buy consumer goods?

I've always manitained it's not money itself that is the problem as if you take money out of the equation, you are still left with human nature which is the real problem...

[slofox]

We're doomed I say, doomed, DOOMED, DOOMED, DOOMED. DOOMED, DOOMED, DOOOOOOOMED! :crazy:

oops, errr...hehehe...sorry :shutup:

[george formby]

Err... don't profits enable us to buy consumer goods?

Oh yes, but profits at any cost? ask John Key, Tony Blair, Silvio Berlusconi, Rupert Murdoch, Roman Abramovich, George W Bush, the real recipients of UN funding, majority shareholders in Nokia, Coke, Mcdonalds, Apple, BP. The World Bank & that Tata industrialist chap what their motivations are then ask the victims of Bhopal, the Inuit, residents of the Niger delta, people who live on the banks of the Mekong river, Yellow river & Irrawaddy or residents of The Gulf of Mexico what the consequences of consumerism are.


I'm just making a noise for the sake of it. It's to late for talking IMHO.

All

[mashman]

take a good look at the earth's cycles over the past million or 2 years - even a nuclear war would not wipe out the earth. it would make an impact, but wouldn't make it 100% unihabitable

Jeans was 1 simple example, me leaving the tap on for 10 seconds to get cold water 5 times a day likely wastes litres of water, so I am guilty too. My main concern is product by-product. My waste is just warm water, theirs isn't. If the water table is tainted and is affected by the chemicals in the jeans, the dyes etc... and then dumped to soak in to the land, you may not only shaft the local water supply, you could also shaft the land... I can't find answers to those questions... wonder if anyone has actually researched it beyond testing the local water table once a month...

:rofl:@ eco-marketing... these are not the droids you're looking for :). If i can find the doicument i'll post it... wouldn;t you say that 1800 litres for 1 pair of jeans was excessive... propoganda aside?

[george formby]

Jeans was 1 simple example, me leaving the tap on for 10 seconds to get cold water 5 times a day likely wastes litres of water, so I am guilty too. My main concern is product by-product. My waste is just warm water, theirs isn't. If the water table is tainted and is affected by the chemicals in the jeans, the dyes etc... and then dumped to soak in to the land, you may not only shaft the local water supply, you could also shaft the land... I can't find answers to those questions... wonder if anyone has actually researched it beyond testing the local water table once a month...

:rofl:@ eco-marketing... these are not the droids you're looking for :). If i can find the doicument i'll post it... wouldn;t you say that 1800 litres for 1 pair of jeans was excessive... propoganda aside?

Well, they are not making water anymore. Every drop we have has been here for billions of years, going round & round. Coming down as rain, some going down the rivers into the sea, some taking the slow road through the rock or freezing. Ultimately it all ends up in the sea, is evaporated into fluffy clouds & starts again. Somebody explained to me why the sea does not just get saltier & saltier which may be relevant to your post but whichever way you look at it whatever we put into water ends up somewhere on the planet & is continuing to pile up.

[mashman]

Er, fucking selfish greedy atavistic people, but certainly not stupid.


Perhaps ignorant would have been a better word... although it amounts to the same thing... kinda... after all, you can still be utterly stupid and make money... after all businesses aren't really run by CEO's... they're run by the smarter people on the shop floor... but I take your point :yes:


Err... don't profits enable us to buy consumer goods?

imho no... you can run a non-profit business and still pay wages to people who will then in turn still buy stuff. The extra likely goes into research and the stock market etc...



I've always manitained it's not money itself that is the problem as if you take money out of the equation, you are still left with human nature which is the real problem


It's not money itself I agree, but i'd bet about 90% (probably 99%) of the worlds ills are caused by money, or the lack of. If that wasn't the case, then i reckon the number of starving people would be all but a distant blot on history. People can't be greedy when there's nothing around to get greedy over. If money wasn;t there, again, I reckon you'd see a MASSIVE drop in greed.



Well, they are not making water anymore. Every drop we have has been here for billions of years, going round & round. Coming down as rain, some going down the rivers into the sea, some taking the slow road through the rock or freezing. Ultimately it all ends up in the sea, is evaporated into fluffy clouds & starts again. Somebody explained to me why the sea does not just get saltier & saltier which may be relevant to your post but whichever way you look at it whatever we put into water ends up somewhere on the planet & is continuing to pile up.


Absolutely. Did we ever have acid rain before industrialisation? (waits for smart arse volcano answer). I've been wondering recently about Mining in Queensland (remembering that the waste water contains all sorts of shit, including cyanide) and if there has been any run off from those storage areas? The mind boggles...

blatantly plagiarised... I'm just making a noise for the sake of it. It's to late for talking IMHO.

[mashman]

As a side note. I used to creel for Devil Crab for a living off the West Coast of Scotland and they're hardy bastards... they would be transported, by road, to Spain in 4 - 5 days and still be alive at the other end... They are primarily a shore crab. +40,000 dead would take some doing. Perhaps the recent UK earthquakes had something to do with it, dunno, but +40,000 WTF!

[george formby]

Absolutely. Did we ever have acid rain before industrialisation? (waits for smart arse volcano answer). I've been wondering recently about Mining in Queensland (remembering that the waste water contains all sorts of shit, including cyanide) and if there has been any run off from those storage areas? The mind boggles...

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Like what happened in Hungary (I think..) recently? Considering how toxic that water & mud was & the countries affected it disappeared off the radar remarkably quickly.

[mashman]

Like what happened in Hungary (I think..) recently? Considering how toxic that water & mud was & the countries affected it disappeared off the radar remarkably quickly.

pfff, maybe, not sure where it was but remember seeing the picture of "Orange" mud, bloody weird colour... recently, last week, a ship containing Sulphuric Acid tipped over on a German river and they're not sure if any spilled :blink:... I remember as a kid (late 70's) watching the news and seeing frazzled forests accompanied with an acid rain warning as a funny coloured cloud crossed from the east... coulda been propoganda I suppose, but the trees were fooked.

[george formby]

pfff, maybe, not sure where it was but remember seeing the picture of "Orange" mud, bloody weird colour... recently, last week, a ship containing Sulphuric Acid tipped over on a German river and they're not sure if any spilled :blink:... I remember as a kid (late 70's) watching the news and seeing frazzled forests accompanied with an acid rain warning as a funny coloured cloud crossed from the east... coulda been propoganda I suppose, but the trees were fooked.

Geez, that brings back memories of acid rain warnings in the UK when I was a nipper. It was reported much like the burn time is here over the summer.
Sulphur dioxide being belched out of the industrial heart land of Europe. Then we had Chernobyl. "Glow in the dark Welsh lamb"

[george formby]

Seeing as this thread has been reduced to a list of calamities (my fault, sincerely soz), I would like to share a little info I was given recently.
The local or possibly regional council have a water quality check on their website so you can see if the river, creek or beach your headed for is safe for swimming. Three rivers have not been out of the worst category for years, so the council in their wisdom have taken them off the website, no information available.
Now that's pro-active, clean, green politics for you.

Think I might head off home & burn some plastic in the barbie tonight, gives those pre-cooked, rectum, eyelid & nostril sausages a lovely taste.

[mashman]

Geez, that brings back memories of acid rain warnings in the UK when I was a nipper. It was reported much like the burn time is here over the summer.
Sulphur dioxide being belched out of the industrial heart land of Europe. Then we had Chernobyl. "Glow in the dark Welsh lamb"

yeah mate, that's probably the same ones that I saw... I were a UK nipper then too... and it goes to show that in our living memory, 30 - 40 years, that "business" hasn't changed it's environmental practices at all :facepalm:... they only ever seem to move on to the next latest and greatest chemical that hasn't been banned, with pretty much the same results...

To stop local pollution, they increased the height of their smoke stacks allowing acid deposition to be transported further afield :facepalm:

[mashman]

I've just finished watching The Last Beekeeper on the Documentary channel :shit:... In 1950 there were 200,000 bee keepers, in 2007 there were less than 1000. In 1980 there were 4.5 million hives, by 1990 there were 3 million. Since then the decline has slowed dramatically, but it's estimated that by 2035 there will be no bees left in the US at all. Some of the reasons given was travel stress, a Japanese mite, pesticide spraying... but essentially they can't put their finger on any single cause...

It was pretty sad watching grown men cry, saying they'd never seen such declines in numbers before, hundreds and hundreds of dead hives...

[Edbear]

I've just finished watching The Last Beekeeper on the Documentary channel :shit:... In 1950 there were 200,000 bee keepers, in 2007 there were less than 1000. In 1980 there were 4.5 million hives, by 1990 there were 3 million. Since then the decline has slowed dramatically, but it's estimated that by 2035 there will be no bees left in the US at all. Some of the reasons given was travel stress, a Japanese mite, pesticide spraying... but essentially they can't put their finger on any single cause...

It was pretty sad watching grown men cry, saying they'd never seen such declines in numbers before, hundreds and hundreds of dead hives...

What people need to understand is that it is the seemingly insignificant that has the greatest effect on our lives. If the bees die, we die, if the oceans die, we die. Recently released info reveals that 40% of the fish catch is dumped as waste! 40%!!!! Man is raping the seas, killing everything in his path indiscriminately and wasting its precious resources at a rate that the sea-life smply cannot keep up with. Give us 15 years and you'll see the price and availablity of fish become a very real and urgent issue!

[mashman]

What people need to understand is that it is the seemingly insignificant that has the greatest effect on our lives. If the bees die, we die, if the oceans die, we die. Recently released info reveals that 40% of the fish catch is dumped as waste! 40%!!!! Man is raping the seas, killing everything in his path indiscriminately and wasting its precious resources at a rate that the sea-life smply cannot keep up with. Give us 15 years and you'll see the price and availablity of fish become a very real and urgent issue!

40% :shit: that's a disaster of epic proportions. That's 40% that's not breeding any more. Reckon they'd do that if there wasn't a $$$ in it? Not trying to harp on about it :shifty:, but time is money, why sort through the fish when it wastes fishing time :facepalm: if it had been a pet the cnuts would be up on charges...

[mashman]

Pretty hardy birds (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/8686122/petrels-wash-up-on-bay-of-plenty-beaches/)... wonder why they were underweight and exhausted? Everything is in hand though, because:

"The Department of Conservation had predicted such an event before festive season.

"They said it was to do with the La Nina weather pattern, but why and what, I don't know,' she told SunLive."

That's some crystal ball... although you woulda thought they'd have been prepared a month or so later... wonder if they can do lotto number too.

[Banditbandit]

For some reason also, every year the US bee count reduces by a staggering 30% and they don't know why.

I know I know .. they've all been picked up by a flying saucer and transfered to a safe planet orbiting Altair ...

The Altairians also picked up the third gunman on the hill and transfered him to the Sirius Sector ...

[mashman]

I know I know .. they've all been picked up by a flying saucer and transfered to a safe planet orbiting Altair ...

The Altairians also picked up the third gunman on the hill and transfered him to the Sirius Sector ...

couldn't have anything to do with the attempts to halt the progress of African Killer Bees could it...

Sirius looks nice, i wish i were a bee...

[Murray]

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[blackdog]

Mans self destruction is profit driven. Oceans, forests and ecosystems are destroyed for profit. I read somewhere that it takes approx 1800 litres of water to complete a pair of jeans. Do we really need jeans? Where does that 1800 lites of water end up? Same can be said for EVERY other product on the planet... where does the waste go? More's the point, why are we making these things when we know it fucks up the environment? PROFIT :facepalm:... without profit driven motives, this will change exceptionally quickly for mankind and the planet may well start to heal itself. People would have to be seriously blind not to see this :yes:

... and yet the intelligencia, or world leaders :killingme don't... shows you how unbelievably fucking stupid these people really are.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10701021

[avgas]

Its HAARP! The Americans are controlling the world!

http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/m/haarpfactsheet.html

[mashman]

Hundreds of sparrows which were found dead in central Rotorua (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/8803747/hundreds-of-dead-sparrows-may-have-been-poisoned/)... bloody odd.