Two speed camera fines within 20 min!

[Houseman]

Yes I know, as the saying "you do the crime..." but got home today to find not one but TWO letters from the Police, I think you can guess the rest.

:doh:

They were both from the same camera and 20 min apart on New Years day. From memory I just nipped out and back then out again. Gutted!!

Was a 60km zone trap in a sleepy town up north so I won't go into detail regarding speeds etc, how bout I just plead the 5th...

Both together equal the best part of a weeks wages... (I know, I know)

:brick:

Just needed to vent...

[steve_t]

Bugger. At least speed cams don't have demerits

[blackdog]

Bugger. At least speed cams don't have demerits

+1

chalk it up to experience, and next time only speed going past it in the other direction

[davereid]

Both together equal the best part of a weeks wages... (I know, I know)

:brick:

Just needed to vent...

Get a better job maybe ?

[ynot slow]

Wait till the last day to pay expires,then you get $30 costs added and pay it off with justice department,simple.

[Yow Ling]

Haha they owned you !

[9rider]

Bugger. At least speed cams don't have demerits

I agree, at least you can keep riding

[Edbear]

I feel your pain, although it sounds like you were a bit more than 5km/h over the limit... :spanking:

I got one yesterday from Whangarei on the 1st. We were on or way to visit friends and I was apparently doing 55km/h in a 50 zone! Bummer! Of course they did trumpet that 4km/h tolerance for the holiday period... :Police: But on the bypass route through Whangarei is hard to keep watching the speedo all the time... :(

[Corse1]

Yeah the wife got done on consecutive days going to work. Two tickets for around $170 if I remember right. Exactly the same speed at the same time nmade us a bit suspicious but then it was one of those ones on a pole so she should have known better.

Bummer but hey at least you wont lose your license. I like the "leave it till the due date and pay another $30 to pay it off" :niceone:

[wysper]

They were both from the same camera and 20 min apart on New Years day. From memory I just nipped out and back then out again. Gutted!!



so I guess you were in the car to get nabbed both ways?

[ukusa]

+1

and next time only speed going past it in the other direction

Or in reverse :eek:

[pritch]

so I guess you were in the car to get nabbed both ways?

And I was thinking bikes were not all *that* economical... :doh:

[Houseman]

Went out and back and then out again, so it was the same direction. Very lucky there are no demerits as you guys say - one is licence losing material (60k zone).

Not after any sympathy, just have to wear it (and maybe slow down???). The part that irks is the delayed punishment. As in, if I had been punished the first time I wouldn't have done it the second time, bit like Corse1's Mrs situation.

This weekend just got a whole lot quieter.

[Murray]

The part that irks is the delayed punishment. As in, if I had been punished the first time I wouldn't have done it the second time, bit like Corse1's Mrs situation.

Interesting point - that you committed a crime and were caught, found guilty and fined. Yet you did not have the opportunity to be made known of the errors of your ways (even though found guilty) so did not have the reason or opportunity to say "hey I was wrong and have learned from my mistake".

never really thought of it that way and see why it irks you.

[Genie]

Oh dear...not pleasant, a friend of mine did the same thing....went past the snappy vehicle, noted snappy vehicle, thought Oh fcuk, then drove past the same snappy vehicle 30 minutes later to be snapped again!

Some days you just know you should of stayed in bed!

[NinjaNanna]

The part that irks is the delayed punishment. As in, if I had been punished the first time I wouldn't have done it the second time ...

That's my single biggest complaint about speed cameras. Personally I beleive there should be an amnesty period between first offence and when the ticket is issued.

[Daffyd]

That's my single biggest complaint about speed cameras. Personally I beleive there should be an amnesty period between first offence and when the ticket is issued.

Don't be silly...That would be missed revenue!

[Grasshopperus]

My wife recently received two speed camera tickets that were taken 3 minutes apart. The area she got snapped used to be a 100km/h and recently got turned into a 70km/h area.

Went for a ride to check it out and it's extremely well sign-posted so I've got little sympathy. She obviously wasn't paying attention.

[Virago]

That's my single biggest complaint about speed cameras. Personally I beleive there should be an amnesty period between first offence and when the ticket is issued.

So, if you know you got snapped, you've essentially got "license to speed"...?

[PrincessBandit]

My wife recently received two speed camera tickets that were taken 3 minutes apart. The area she got snapped used to be a 100km/h and recently got turned into a 70km/h area.

Went for a ride to check it out and it's extremely well sign-posted so I've got little sympathy. She obviously wasn't paying attention.

Yeah, we've noticed a few speed restriction changes around our area and it's easy to "not see" the signage.

I had a quickish ride back from the waikato this week - didn't see any cameras, but then I don't particularly look for them - so hoping I don't get the special envelope in the letter box (or in this case, more than one...)

I'm surprised that there are so few incidents of 2 patrol cars a couple of k's from each other on the same side in order to get the motorists who think "yay, got past him ok, now i can open it up" or do they do that a lot already?

[Virago]

I don't buy into the "they changed the speed limit" argument.

One of the biggest threats we face on the road is lack of observational skills from other road users. If people (including motorcyclists) can't see prominent speed limit signs, then what hope do we have?

Here in Dunners, there is a section of the one-way system which was changed from 50 to 60kph, around 8-10 years ago. It's well signposted. A surprisingly large number of people still have no idea that it's been changed.

[Scuba_Steve]

I'm surprised that there are so few incidents of 2 patrol cars a couple of k's from each other on the same side in order to get the motorists who think "yay, got past him ok, now i can open it up" or do they do that a lot already?

yea that happens quite often, I've seen up to 5 all in one stretch.

[p.dath]

Wait till the last day to pay expires,then you get $30 costs added and pay it off with justice department,simple.

Couldn't they just contact them now and arrange time payments and save the $30?

[Scuba_Steve]

I don't buy into the "they changed the speed limit" argument.

One of the biggest threats we face on the road is lack of observational skills from other road users. If people (including motorcyclists) can't see prominent speed limit signs, then what hope do we have?

Here in Dunners, there is a section of the one-way system which was changed from 50 to 60kph, around 8-10 years ago. It's well signposted. A surprisingly large number of people still have no idea that it's been changed.

altho to avoid being scammed and to "drive safely" you are expected to have your eyes OFF the road for no less than 16secs every minute thats 1/4 of the time on the road not watching it & we're told this is "safe"?:weird:. In distance terms that is 445m of road NOT being watched every minute in a 100km/h zone or 222m every minute in a 50km/h zone.

[Scuba_Steve]

Couldn't they just contact them now and arrange time payments and save the $30?

na they charge you the 30$ to pay it off regardless so if your gonna pay the extra 30$ ya might as well get some court time in too (if ya got the time to spare)

[Taz]

Why didn't you see it? Was it hidden under an invisibility cloak? And keep the speed for out of town, think of the kiddies etc.

[p.dath]

I don't buy into the "they changed the speed limit" argument.

Check out the thread I just started about the Victorian speed cameras - they appear to do nothing to road fatalities.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/133626-Speed-cameras-don-t-save-lives

[Highlander]

so I guess you were in the car to get nabbed both ways?

Pardon my ignorance (well this time anyway) has anyone been speed camera ticketed on their bike? I have gone past several cameras a tad quicker than was proper and not seen it flash or had a ticket (touch wood).

[wysper]

Pardon my ignorance (well this time anyway) has anyone been speed camera ticketed on their bike? I have gone past several cameras a tad quicker than was proper and not seen it flash or had a ticket (touch wood).

No I haven't. But I ride like a nanna and enjoy the scenery on rides.

[Genie]

Pardon my ignorance (well this time anyway) has anyone been speed camera ticketed on their bike? I have gone past several cameras a tad quicker than was proper and not seen it flash or had a ticket (touch wood).

not sure how they'd get your plate number????

[Highlander]

not sure how they'd get your plate number????

I've heard rumour of camera vans where the operator has a didgital camera facing forward and snaps your pic as you go past. Just like that, they have photos of you from front and back with a spilt second difference in time stamp. The bill is in the mail...:Police:

[george formby]

I feel your pain, although it sounds like you were a bit more than 5km/h over the limit... :spanking:

I got one yesterday from Whangarei on the 1st. We were on or way to visit friends and I was apparently doing 55km/h in a 50 zone! Bummer! Of course they did trumpet that 4km/h tolerance for the holiday period... :Police: But on the bypass route through Whangarei is hard to keep watching the speedo all the time... :(
So true & the rest of the traffic treats it like the Monaco F1 circuit. You get a ticket just trying to keep up.

[Berries]

I'm surprised that there are so few incidents of 2 patrol cars a couple of k's from each other on the same side in order to get the motorists who think "yay, got past him ok, now i can open it up" or do they do that a lot already?
It certainly used to be quite a common method of operation.


I don't buy into the "they changed the speed limit" argument.
Have you ridden up Kaikorai Valley Road lately ? They took the signs down for that short 70 at the Green Island end, then the Police started enforcing the 'new' 50km/h speed limit.

[baptist]

That's my single biggest complaint about speed cameras. Personally I beleive there should be an amnesty period between first offence and when the ticket is issued.


So, if you know you got snapped, you've essentially got "license to speed"...?

I agree with NinjaNanna with regards to the same camera, it does seem a tad rough being pinged twice by the same camera. I guess if you get caught by a couple of different ones then maybe it can be argued not as a case of being quick on a particular stretch of road but a case of constant and consistant speeding around town...

I know it is a fine line but a human face on Policing would surely be a ticket for the first offence and either a reduced ticket or a letter included in the envelope saying something like "are you so stupid as to keep speeding?" Two tickets, same camera within a short time frame is just revenue gathering and punishment I cannot see as it has anything to do with road safety. Sympathy, rant and moan over:bleh:.

[jasonu]

Pardon my ignorance (well this time anyway) has anyone been speed camera ticketed on their bike? I have gone past several cameras a tad quicker than was proper and not seen it flash or had a ticket (touch wood).

I heard they will soon be implementing cameras that will scan the iris of the speeding motorcyclist, cross reference it with drivers license pics then mail out tickets to the appropriate offender. Been happening for a few years here.

[superman]

I heard they will soon be implementing cameras that will scan the iris of the speeding motorcyclist, cross reference it with drivers license pics then mail out tickets to the appropriate offender. Been happening for a few years here.

What a sick, sick country you live in! :msn-wink:

[rickstv]

I know this is a bit tongue in cheek, but couldn't you argue that both tickets were for the same offence as you were doing the same speed round the block and got snapped twice. Just a thought.:devil2:
Rick.

[p.dath]

I know this is a bit tongue in cheek, but couldn't you argue that both tickets were for the same offence as you were doing the same speed round the block and got snapped twice. Just a thought.:devil2:
Rick.

Your thinking of double jeopardy, which is a defence - against a second conviction for the same thing.
http://www.justice.govt.nz/publications/global-publications/t/the-guidelines-on-the-new-zealand-bill-of-rights-act-1990-a-guide-to-the-rights-and-freedoms-in-the-bill-of-rights-act-for-the-public-sector/section-26-retroactive-penalties-and-double-jeopardy


Section 26 of the Bill of Rights Act is as follows:

Retroactive offences and double jeopardy

No one shall be liable to conviction of any offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute an offence by such person under the law of New Zealand at the time it occurred.
No one who has been finally acquitted or convicted of, or pardoned for, an offence shall be tried or punished for it again

[red mermaid]

Lesson learnt by you, and hopefully you will slow down and give more respect for the people who live in the area, as by your own admission you were travelling at 100 km/h + in a 60 km/h area.

[pritch]

I have gone past several cameras a tad quicker than was proper and not seen it flash or had a ticket (touch wood).

The local operators here don't flash. Too many shitheads came back to argue.

That's a bit like arguing with a meter maid. You might be pissed off, but what can there possibly be to argue about?

[pete376403]

Pardon my ignorance (well this time anyway) has anyone been speed camera ticketed on their bike? I have gone past several cameras a tad quicker than was proper and not seen it flash or had a ticket (touch wood).

A friend went past a mobile camera near kaikoura at 159km/hr. Picture taken was of the front of the bike. Police were notified by the camera operator and he was stopped near blenheim. Cop took a photo of him on the bike which was then compared to the speed cam photo.
Went to court, largish fine but he did not loose his license.

[terbang]

Arghhh, bloody "Cop-out" policing.

[White trash]

As in, if I had been punished the first time I wouldn't have done it the second time,

But you knew what the speed limit was, and you still broke it. Are you telling us that you'll never speed again, now that you've received your punishment?

[Houseman]

But you knew what the speed limit was, and you still broke it. Are you telling us that you'll never speed again, now that you've received your punishment?

Fair point.

[Badgerclarke]

So if you get caught by a camera it's just a fine and if you get caught by a cop it's points and a fine? I'm asking as in the UK you get both regardless of how you get caught.

[Blackflagged]

Not sure if it`s been on KB, but apparently police are looking at 2 point cameras.Were they calculate your speed between two points (Cameras)

So observation and late on the brakes won`t save ya!

[Grasshopperus]

I heard they will soon be implementing cameras that will scan the iris of the speeding motorcyclist, cross reference it with drivers license pics then mail out tickets to the appropriate offender. Been happening for a few years here.

Iris scanning devices have enough trouble working at 50cm range at 0km/h. Let alone at 100km/h+, at 5 metre+ range through two windscreens and maybe a helmet.

Of course in the USA you do get rape-scanned by roving vans on urban streets. :Police:

[p.dath]

Iris scanning devices have enough trouble working at 50cm range at 0km/h. Let alone at 100km/h+, at 5 metre+ range through two windscreens and maybe a helmet.

Of course in the USA you do get rape-scanned by roving vans on urban streets. :Police:

+1. That's bullocks. No way can you do remote scanning of a motorcyclist's eye ball while travelling at speed.

[steve_t]

+1. That's bullocks. No way can you do remote scanning of a motorcyclist's eye ball while travelling at speed.

LOL. I'm pretty sure he was taking the piss :eek:

[Banditbandit]

Oh dear...not pleasant, a friend of mine did the same thing....went past the snappy vehicle, noted snappy vehicle, thought Oh fcuk, then drove past the same snappy vehicle 30 minutes later to be snapped again!

Some days you just know you should of stayed in bed!

Blonde by some chance ???


Check out the thread I just started about the Victorian speed cameras - they appear to do nothing to road fatalities.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/133626-Speed-cameras-don-t-save-lives

Speed cameras are not about saving lives - they are about forcing people to obey the law ...


Pardon my ignorance (well this time anyway) has anyone been speed camera ticketed on their bike? I have gone past several cameras a tad quicker than was proper and not seen it flash or had a ticket (touch wood).

I gather that some of the fixed speed cameras have sensing wires under the road ... and some bikes do not have enough metal or weigh (don't ask me, I'm no expert) to trip them off ... also, if you know where they are you can ride around them, usually on the far left of the road ...


I heard they will soon be implementing cameras that will scan the iris of the speeding motorcyclist, cross reference it with drivers license pics then mail out tickets to the appropriate offender. Been happening for a few years here.

Does that work through shades?

[Old Steve]

Pardon my ignorance (well this time anyway) has anyone been speed camera ticketed on their bike?

Yeah, got a letter the other day saying I was photographed doing 85 in an 80 zone along the side of Lake Rotoiti. I've already written in to ask for the photograph, at worst it'll make a great avatar for here!

Then I will write and suggest the message they are giving motorcyclists may be contaray to their participation in the motorcycle safety program that has just started, as it must be safer for a motorcyclist to be doing 85 in an 80 zone with the rider constantly watching for road irregularities, other traffic, and pedestrians (especially children playing beside and crossing this stretch of road through a well frequented holiday spot) than riding along at 80 with their eyes glued to their speedo in order to stay within the advised tolerance level.

I also feel that a speed of 85 in an 80 zone will most probably not contribute to a crash nor any substantial increase in the chances of fatality in the event of a crash as there is only 12% more kinetic energy involved and the motorcycle is being ridden well within its performance envelope. The speed that kills is excessive speed where the vehicle is close to or outside its performance and roadholding parameters.

[supa.m]

I heard they will soon be implementing cameras that will scan the iris of the speeding motorcyclist, cross reference it with drivers license pics then mail out tickets to the appropriate offender. Been happening for a few years here.

SKYNET is coming......your mission is to stay alive !!!!! John Conner, for the resistance, over and out..........

[Badgerclarke]

So what's the story with the points fellas? Static camera speeding fine = points and fine or just fine?

[steve_t]

So what's the story with the points fellas? Static camera speeding fine = points and fine or just fine?

Just a fine currently