Why would you ever need more than a 250?

[racefactory]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L60kkqbEqko&feature=&p=1266CAC201BAC4E8&index=0&playnext=1

That's how to have fun on a 250 guys...

[Genie]

Yip, I have a 250 and I love the Takaka Hill....

[Owl]

Cause if I had to listen to that screaming fucking racket every time I rode a bike, I'd find a new pastime.:facepalm:

[Gremlin]

Cause if I had to listen to that screaming fucking racket every time I rode a bike, I'd find a new pastime.:facepalm:
+1.

Some of us like doing more than 1000km with luggage a day. A 250 wouldn't last too long doing that.

[Tink]

Cause if I had to listen to that screaming fucking racket every time I rode a bike, I'd find a new pastime.:facepalm:

Exachery!!!!

[superman]

Cause if I had to listen to that screaming fucking racket every time I rode a bike, I'd find a new pastime.:facepalm:

I wondered if the noise was typical... especially since your face is the wind break as the little windshield does not create a proper stream to go over the top of your helmet like the big bikes. Might go deaf before I even get a bigger bike even though I constantly wear earplugs!

[george formby]

+1.

Some of us like doing more than 1000km with luggage a day. A 250 wouldn't last too long doing that.

I did that on a KMX 125 when I still had L plates. Funnily enough I never did it again.

[slofox]

A CBR250RR is not just "a" 250.

[bogan]

Cause if I had to listen to that screaming fucking racket every time I rode a bike, I'd find a new pastime.:facepalm:

fucking aye! also having torque at any rpm is pretty awesome :yes: and they don't make 250s like that anymore :(

[banditrider]

Some of us like doing more than 1000km with luggage a day. A 250 wouldn't last too long doing that.

And not the same 500m over and over again too...

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=AF2207B41F3788E2

[Owl]

A CBR250RR is not just "a" 250.

Does it sound like a stabbed cat??? If so, who cares.:beer:

[crazyhorse]

Cause they are so much more fun........... :whistle:

[Latte]

Why would you ever need more than a 250?



Somethings gotta keep all the extra pesky money out of my bank account. 1000cc seems to do it nicely.

[racefactory]

Sorry but the MC22 engine has a beautiful sound... it's immense as fuck and also they don't seem so crazy when you're just riding them around either.

...That's coming from a big V twin owner.

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah they sound fast, I'll give 'em that much.

[racefactory]

Well, fast is what you make of it. They beat a standard turbo jap car anyday... that's fast enough for some thrills.

[Gremlin]

Well, fast is what you make of it.
Fast is relative to your experience on bikes. Once you've spent enough time on enough bikes of varying engine layout etc, and get on a 250, you try to remember where the power was. Once you hit redline, you realise there isn't any.

[onearmedbandit]

Well, fast is what you make of it. They beat a standard turbo jap car anyday... that's fast enough for some thrills.

Beat them how? 1/4 mile? Nah, they'd be about the same, although I'd give it to a decent jap turbo car like a GTR/MR2 Turbo/WRX Sti/Evo. From what I've found from a quick search is people quoting mid-14's, and one youtube vid of 15.2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqEmZeoqH-E

In a race around a track, then once again I'd give it to a decent stock Japanese turbo, like the ones listed above.

[R6_kid]

there are a number of people I know who said "I'll never sell my 250"... well they all did when they got bigger bikes.

[Owl]

Sorry but the MC22 engine has a beautiful sound... it's immense as fuck

Maybe for a young fella, but when you're 40+, the only thing immense at 18,000rpm is the tingles in your man breasts!:doh:

[NotHisRealName]

I ride a 400, but I'd be keen to have a play on a good 250 and use it as a track bike for a year or so to work up some skill. But I don't think I'd own anything less than a 400 as a daily bike.

I do like the idea of having a light bike that can be thrown around a track.

[racefactory]

Beat them how? 1/4 mile? Nah, they'd be about the same, although I'd give it to a decent jap turbo car like a GTR/MR2 Turbo/WRX Sti/Evo. From what I've found from a quick search is people quoting mid-14's, and one youtube vid of 15.2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqEmZeoqH-E

In a race around a track, then once again I'd give it to a decent stock Japanese turbo, like the ones listed above.

CBR250RR lap times around pukekohe are about the same as stockish jappers if you have a good rider onboard like Vtec or someone.

A ZXR/CBR will whoop any turbo car to the legal speed limit and do the 400m in mid to low 14 seconds with a good rider (not shitty meremere strip) ... you'd be hard pressed to get under 15 with a stock japper I'm sorry.

I agree with you if you are talking about the average scenario but the difference all lies in rider ability. Also rider weight is a huge factor with these bikes.

[NotHisRealName]

Also rider weight is a huge factor with these bikes.

Errr.... I might stick with a bigger bike then. :msn-wink:

[onearmedbandit]

you'd be hard pressed to get under 15 with a stock japper I'm sorry.




No need to apologise, but you are wrong.

[R6_kid]

CBR250RR lap times around pukekohe are about the same as stockish jappers if you have a good rider onboard like Vtec or someone.

A ZXR/CBR will whoop any turbo car to the legal speed limit and do the 400m in mid to low 14 seconds with a good rider (not shitty meremere strip) ... you'd be hard pressed to get under 15 with a stock japper I'm sorry.

I agree with you if you are talking about the average scenario but the difference all lies in rider ability. Also rider weight is a huge factor with these bikes.

I got beaten quite fairly in an on-ramp drag race by a 1.6L Turbo Levin... I was on a ZXR250.

[sinfull]

when you're 40+, the only thing immense is your man breasts!:doh:

Hmmmmm something to look forward too then !!

[EJK]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L60kkqbEqko&feature=&p=1266CAC201BAC4E8&index=0&playnext=1

That's how to have fun on a 250 guys...

I feel sick and dizzy now.

[Owl]

Hmmmmm something to look forward too then !!

Hey, enough of the mis-quoting already!:bleh:

[White trash]

A ZXR/CBR will whoop any turbo car to the legal speed limit and do the 400m in mid to low 14 seconds with a good rider (not shitty meremere strip) ... you'd be hard pressed to get under 15 with a stock japper I'm sorry.


No need to apologise, but you are wrong.

Correct. Absolutely stock S15 200 SX Six speed. Stock wheels, exhaust, intake, everything. My first drive at a dragstrip (and the Masterton Motorplex is hardly a drag strip) and I ran 14.2. Good driver would have been 13 piece of piss I reckon. My horrible old Senator ran 14.1 and there's a heap of late model Jappas that would waste it.

Once again Mr Race Factory, your enthusiasm is to be commended but your unwaivering conviction in being an authority on everything is making you look a little like a tit.

[Genie]

Once again Mr Race Factory, your enthusiasm is to be commended but your unwaivering conviction in being an authority on everything is making you look a little like a tit.

That would be an age thing.

[racefactory]

Correct. Absolutely stock S15 200 SX Six speed. Stock wheels, exhaust, intake, everything. My first drive at a dragstrip (and the Masterton Motorplex is hardly a drag strip) and I ran 14.2. Good driver would have been 13 piece of piss I reckon. My horrible old Senator ran 14.1 and there's a heap of late model Jappas that would waste it.

Once again Mr Race Factory, your enthusiasm is to be commended but your unwaivering conviction in being an authority on everything is making you look a little like a tit.

I'm sorry but you are spouting bull mate. No way in this universe is a standard pos s15 going to do the 400m in 13 without serious mods unless it's dropped off a cliff.

Give me a video and I'll believe you otherwise this one is quite rightly flagged bull.

[racefactory]

I realise now on KB you have to be deadly accurate with your statements or you get come down on like a ton of bricks haha!

In saying this what I originally meant was they'd get blitzed by a CBR250 on the road around town and up to the speed limit and that is all. Yes they would have a higher top speed but we could go on all day now couldn't we?

[vifferman]

Why would you ever need more than a 250?


Because that noise would drive me insane.
Because the lack of torque out of corners / up hills would piss me off.
Because my knees, hips and back would constantly scream at me about being origamied to fit on something designed for a 155cm oriental (I'm 185cm).
Because I don't want to spend all my weekends maintaining something that's been flogged at 235,000 rpm all week.
Because there's no way that thing can carry me and the vifferbabe around the countryside without it (and me?) blowing a valve or summat.
Because it would piss me off trying to find parts for it.
Because I'd get pissed off being harrassed by cops because "I didn't get a speed lock on you, but it sounded like you were speeding". (There's actually a thread on KB about someone who had to fight a ticket like this).
Because I already ride something that's a bajillion times better than that screaming toy.

[racefactory]

Wrong- CBR250RR's rule...

[bogan]

Wrong- CBR250RR's rule...

well they possibly rule the 250 size, but I'll stick with my 647 just the same, you just can't go wrong with a honda v-twin :msn-wink:

[mrchips]

I can see the attraction but i prefer the savage flames, rumble & backfire from a thumping great v-twin.

can it do this ?....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQrT_Q0UDWk:eek:

[bogan]

I can see the attraction but i prefer the savage flames, rumble & backfire from a thumping great v-twin.

can it do this ?....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQrT_Q0UDWk:eek:

so vulgar, do people actually like wheelbarrow mount exhausts? or is it just convenient :bleh:

[Owl]

can it do this ?....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQrT_Q0UDWk:eek:

Pfffft

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[bogan]

pffffffft

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[steve_t]

That would be an age thing.

Actually, it's probably more of a tit thing :msn-wink:

[banditrider]

I can see the attraction but i prefer the savage flames, rumble & backfire from a thumping great v-twin.

can it do this ?....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQrT_Q0UDWk:eek:

No flames, but more of the same...not a 250 either...

mHGI0JV_ny4

[Jantar]

Wrong- CBR250RR's rule...
So why are there none entered in either the TT2000 or the Southern Cross Rallies?

[onearmedbandit]

I'm sorry but you are spouting bull mate. No way in this universe is a standard pos s15 going to do the 400m in 13 without serious mods unless it's dropped off a cliff.

Give me a video and I'll believe you otherwise this one is quite rightly flagged bull.


I realise now on KB you have to be deadly accurate with your statements or you get come down on like a ton of bricks haha!

In saying this what I originally meant was they'd get blitzed by a CBR250 on the road around town and up to the speed limit and that is all. Yes they would have a higher top speed but we could go on all day now couldn't we?



Quoted 1/4 mile time for the S15 6spd Turbo is 13.8. I reckon it would take a good driver to replicate this, but it would take an amazing rider to beat one on a 250

http://japan-used-car-exporting.info/import/nissan-silvia-car-information-page.html


And around town? A cyclist could beat a car around town. And to 100km/h? About the same sorry, a good Jap turbo will do it in mid 5's, a fast one in high 4's. Quoted times for the CBR250RR is around 5.3-5.5 seconds.

[Crazy Steve]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L60kkqbEqko&feature=&p=1266CAC201BAC4E8&index=0&playnext=1

That's how to have fun on a 250 guys...

Snoooore ! ! ! Trying doin the loop at that speed the whole way :msn-wink:

Crazy Steve.

[The Everlasting]

..because 250's are too slow,and bigger bikes are way more fun.

[Gremlin]

Gosh I just love the uneducated spouting "facts" off the marketing sheet as gospel and managing to completely doubt the real world facts. Then you find out their experience is also completely lacking as they've only ridden that one bike.

Racefactory, we laugh at it when people stick to their guns with no evidence, and plenty stacked against them. Please continue :lol:

[onearmedbandit]

Actually, after thinking about it all a bit more, I've decided 250's are fast. They must be, I've got 4 of them in my bike and fuck it flies.

[racefactory]

Wrong, you can have just as much fun on a 250 if you know how to extract the fun and like turning.

Never understood the big rush learners have to get off their 250's onto big bikes, 250's are insane fun.

I'm not one to believe marketing sheets AT ALL and any performance stats I quote or believe are from videos and real life experience only. I absolutely love my cars and I've driven plenty of jap turbo's- a CBR250 (providing you know how to ride) will whoop a standard one around up to 100, only some time after that will they start to break even. I have personally seen ZXR's being launched to 100 in under 5.

There is some huge grudge against 250's by some of you guys, maybe trying to make up for your own dick size thinking you're all better with your bigger bikes. That's all I can think of. It's not why I ride a bigger bike I can tell you that. The 90's inline 4's are brilliant bikes, had my fun on them for sure.

[onearmedbandit]

Depends of your definition of fun.

[bogan]

and on the use too, 250 is plenty for off road :yes: but small displacements get a bit whiny on the road, like taking a holiday in the odyssey full of whining 7 year olds.

[racefactory]

Yeah absolutely... more than a 75kg load including rider and they really do feel it. I refer to just road sport riding here.

[onearmedbandit]

I have personally seen ZXR's being launched to 100 in mid 4 seconds.



Real life or on a video? Calibrated speedo or bikes speedo? How was it timed?

BTW, I was riding 1990's 250 sportsbikes in the 90's, been there done that. Ridden CBR\GSXR\ZXR\RGV\NSR, ridden 400's of the era as well. Now I'm on a thou after owning a couple of 750's, and I'm sorry but there is no way you'd get me back riding a 250. I'm not making up for my 'dick size', I'm enjoying laying down copious amounts of power, having the back squirming, trying to keep the front down style of riding on the track, balanced by smooth rapid 'relaxed' riding on the road, coasting on the massive spread of power. Yes my bike is too much for the road, but it's still fucking enjoyable, to me a lot more enjoyable than a 250. I remember those days. But once it's on the track, well it's a bike I'll never truly get 'on top of', in other words a bike that can challenge me and lift my riding. Rather than pushing a tired 20yr old bike around.

[Gremlin]

There is some huge grudge against 250's by some of you guys, maybe trying to make up for your own dick size thinking you're all better with your bigger bikes.
Ok... what range of bikes have you ridden? I have ridden a 50cc scooter, 1800cc cruiser, 1000cc tuned sportsbikes, and a lot of stuff in between. The only thing I haven't ridden are dirt bikes and big tourers like goldwings. We're saying that when you have ridden a limited range of bikes, you can't accurately judge the range of bikes.

And yes, I hated my 250. I had one for 7 months, and once on my restricted I had an exemption to get any capacity. Despite all modifications made to the bike I kept bottoming it out, so it was an unsafe option.

[Latte]

I'm surprised he hasn't mentioned they stop in 2m from 100k yet ............

[racefactory]

Come on guys, the point of this is to stop all the learner riders wanting to 'upgrade' to bigger bikes and kill themselves. There is really stupendous fun to be had on 250's, no need to rush and have an accident on a more powerful and weighty machine.

[onearmedbandit]

Come on guys, the point of this is to stop all the learner riders wanting to 'upgrade' to bigger bikes and kill themselves. There is really stupendous fun to be had on 250's, no need to rush and have an accident on a more powerful and weighty machine.

So you're advocating that they push their 20yr old 250's hard on the road? I mean, that is the reason for you posting the video in this thread right?

[racefactory]

BTW, I was riding 1990's 250 sportsbikes in the 90's, been there done that. Ridden CBR\GSXR\ZXR\RGV\NSR, ridden 400's of the era as well. Now I'm on a thou after owning a couple of 750's, and I'm sorry but there is no way you'd get me back riding a 250. I'm not making up for my 'dick size', I'm enjoying laying down copious amounts of power, having the back squirming, trying to keep the front down style of riding on the track, balanced by smooth rapid 'relaxed' riding on the road, coasting on the massive spread of power. Yes my bike is too much for the road, but it's still fucking enjoyable, to me a lot more enjoyable than a 250. I remember those days.

Nice stuff, good on you mate. The same can't be said of other riders though.

[racefactory]

So you're advocating that they push their 20yr old 250's hard on the road? I mean, that is the reason for you posting the video in this thread right?

I've seen it happen before mate... power is far more dangerous, just an inexperienced rider feeling all high and happy on a powerful new bike- with a twist of the throttle and they are understeering into the opposite lane. Pushing a 250 like that on the road required skill and progressively building up... you can be in trouble instantly on a bigger bike though. I thoroughly advocate people extracting maximum performance and enjoyment out of smaller bikes, knowing the limits of traction, turning and braking before moving up to inevitably do the same on bigger more dangerous machines. That is all my friend.

[Gremlin]

Come on guys, the point of this is to stop all the learner riders wanting to 'upgrade' to bigger bikes and kill themselves.
No... your original question was "Why would you ever need more than a 250?". Instantly that said to me... he owns a 250... its a common thing amongst those that are owning their 1st/2nd bike, nothing more than 250, and its an experience thing. If you are proud of your 250, thats fine... but when you ask a forum why would you ever need a bigger bike, you'll get the full list of reasons. Trying to then argue they are wrong, when they have more experience is guaranteed to make us laugh.

On average, I've picked up an equal number of small and larger bikes. The small ones were trying to keep up with faster riders, or pushing their limits too far. The big bikes, the reason for losing it was varied from just screwing up, to recently upgrading and not having the skills to handle it.

I certainly found when I upgraded I was more calm and relaxed, as I could pass at any time, instead of desperately taking the opportunities I got. If a car sped up, I couldn't pass.

[onearmedbandit]

I've seen it happen before mate... power is far more dangerous, just an inexperienced rider with a twist of the throttle and they are understeering into the opposite lane. Pushing a 250 like that on the road required skill and progressively building up... you can be in trouble instantly on a bigger bike though. I thoroughly advocate people extracting maximum performance and enjoyment out of smaller bikes, knowing the limits of traction, turning and braking before moving up to inevitably do the same on bigger more dangerous machines. That is all my friend.

I don't think you'll find too many people disagreeing with that sentiment. But to just assume that the posters in here are just dismissing 250's because of, well whatever reason comes to your mind, isn't acknowledging that most if not all of them have done their time on smaller bikes, and are quite happy to be well past that stage of their lives, for whatever reason.

[racefactory]

No... your original question was "Why would you ever need more than a 250?". Instantly that said to me... he owns a 250... its a common thing amongst those that are owning their 1st/2nd bike, nothing more than 250, and its an experience thing. If you are proud of your 250, thats fine... but when you ask a forum why would you ever need a bigger bike, you'll get the full list of reasons. Trying to then argue they are wrong, when they have more experience is guaranteed to make us laugh.



Lol I don't even have a fucking 250! Just saw that video and was reminded of the good old days.

[Gremlin]

Lol I don't even have a fucking 250! Just saw that video and was reminded of the good old days.
goddamn... so you don't. Have you ridden the new bike yet? It really does sound like you haven't ridden anything more than 250cc.

Oh... its a ducati. Nevermind. :)

[steve_t]

Racefactory, didn't you get rid of your Ducati and get a 636?

[RiderInBlack]

Don't assume that all "250cc"bikes are safer then bigger bikes. I would never recommend a CBR250RR as a "Learner's" bike, they would be safer on most 400cc bikes. Bring on the "power-to-weight" learner bike rule and out with the "250cc" BS rule.
As for "Why would you ever need more than a 250", there is no point in telling you, because you are not listening. Come back when you have grown up a little more, and then you will know.

[Gremlin]

Careful Doug, don't insult him... or you'll get red-repped.

I need a hug now... someone from the internet has hurt my feelings :cry:

[racefactory]

Racefactory, didn't you get rid of your Ducati and get a 636?

Yeah I did. Shit this place is smaller than I thought.

Guys the video is what counts, good fun can be had on a 250. It's not a chore like some people think.

[James Deuce]

It's not a chore like some people think.

Yes, yes it is. Especially when your choice is someone else's 20 year old rooted cast off, or brand new from China, Korea, Malaysia, or Thailand.

Looks a bit bigoted on the surface, but qualitatively, anecdotally and statistically 250s that fall into that category have far more issues than bigger bikes produced in the "home" factories.

Of the 20 or so 250s I've pre or post-purchase checked for people over the last 5 or 6 years all of them have had issues, from clogged vacuum tubes through seized brakes to failed crank bearings. All of them except for one DT225 that had been looked after.

A sorted 250 is a joy. The truth is there's probably about 3 in NZ and the owners have no idea they have the good ones.

[racefactory]

'tis only a part of the joy my friend. I love cleaning carbs. That's why I got a fuel injected bike because I couldn't stop doing it.

[James Deuce]

'tis only a part of the joy my friend. I love cleaning carbs.

For every person who enjoys cleaning carbs there are 500 who have no idea what a carb is.

[racefactory]

Worthy of a sig quote those words mate.

[98tls]

For every person who enjoys cleaning carbs there are 500 who have no idea what a carb is.

For every person who enjoys riding a motorcycle there are 500 who have no idea what riding a motorcycle really is.:msn-wink:

[The Pastor]

Yeah they sound fast, I'll give 'em that much.

they are fast. Faster than most in the twists!

[imdying]

Is that all? Fuck that, it's not even a 2 stroke. That anaemic piece of shite might sound fruity on an open pipe, but you try riding one for more than 1/2 an hour. Even with plugs in you still want to club yourself to death.


A sorted 250 is a joy. The truth is there's probably about 3 in NZ and the owners have no idea they have the good ones.Riiiiiight.... damn you talk some shit.

[racefactory]

Real life or on a video? Calibrated speedo or bikes speedo? How was it timed?

.

Sorry missed your post earlier.

Measured with DynoTune application for Ipod. Awesome software if you are into these kind of stats, it's essentially as accurate as a GPS. Will also give you lateral and longitudinal G and 60ft and 330ft. Great fun...

[James Deuce]

Riiiiiight.... damn you talk some shit.

And you don't? At least I'm good at it.

[Slyer]

I've only ever ridden 250's and I'm not planning on changing that until I have a full license. :bleh:
I guess I don't understand the need for these large large capacity bikes.

I can see the point in a 650 twin, much more power and cruisier ride. But even then people complain that they have to rev them to "get it to go anywhere".
But christ how lazy are you guys?
Do you need all of that extra power sitting in reserve, not because you use it but because you just like it there?

Eventually I'll upgrade to a 650 twin, any bets on how long it takes me to feel the need for a 1000cc bike?

[aprilia_RS250]

REASONS WHY YOU DON'T NEED MORE THAN 250cc BIKE (Talking from a 2 stroker point of view of course and the likes of CBR250s etc)

- The joy of embarrassing the bigger bike riders who can't ride and you can with a smaller engine
- If you're slower you can easily use the excuse your engine is smaller
- 250cc bike riders are less likely to have fat girlfriends hence why they only need 250cc
- 250cc bike riders save more money (ACC fuel cost etc)
- Speed limit is 100km/h, 250cc easily ride at that speed, mine can even do 200km/h but it's unnecessary to drive anywhere near that on public roads
- You're bike is likely to be old school and much more cooler and rarer than some new I4 which looks like any other jappa.
- Powerband don't forget the powerband
- The smell from that racing 2 stroke oil
- It's temperamental, it requires care, so you appreciate it more when you give her a good ride.

Possible reasons for owning a bigger bike
-Your gf has a big arse and you need the bigger rear tyre to make "things" look more proportional
- You like spending more money on ACC, insurance, fuel, tyres etc
- You need more torque/power and straight line speed to catch up to the 250cc guy on the straight 'cos you can't ride corners

[RDjase]

REASONS WHY YOU DON'T NEED MORE THAN 250cc BIKE (Talking from a 2 stroker point of view of course and the likes of CBR250s etc)

- The joy of embarrassing the bigger bike riders who can't ride and you can with a smaller engine
- If you're slower you can easily use the excuse your engine is smaller
- 250cc bike riders are less likely to have fat girlfriends hence why they only need 250cc
- 250cc bike riders save more money (ACC fuel cost etc)
- Speed limit is 100km/h, 250cc easily ride at that speed, mine can even do 200km/h but it's unnecessary to drive anywhere near that on public roads
- You're bike is likely to be old school and much more cooler and rarer than some new I4 which looks like any other jappa.
- Powerband don't forget the powerband
- The smell from that racing 2 stroke oil
- It's temperamental, it requires care, so you appreciate it more when you give her a good ride.

Possible reasons for owning a bigger bike
-Your gf has a big arse and you need the bigger rear tyre to make "things" look more proportional
- You like spending more money on ACC, insurance, fuel, tyres etc
- You need more torque/power and straight line speed to catch up to the 250cc guy on the straight 'cos you can't ride corners

I have a 900 Duke Monster and a 1980 RD350LC road and a LC race bike,

The Duke does everthing easy, heaps of tourqe, brakes, handling etc. Probably only got half the HP of a new 1000 I4. I ride it less than the LC tho

The 2 stroke 350 is so much more fun to ride and I have done a heap of touring on it to, loaded up with pack racks and tank bags, shingle roads. have done 2 up touring as well. Dont like 2 up at any time.

I can see the arguemant/discussion from both sides

Give me a windy back road on the LC or my TZR and day, I still get bored after a couple of hours riding on roads, or 5 minutes on :Police: infested mains roads

A small bike bike on Track 2 Taupo is a blast, corner speed and blitzing "Point and Squirt" 1000 riders is great fun, then they pass you again, and you pass them, repeat this 4 times till the 1000 riders backs off as you are showing them up on a 25 to 30 year old 250/350

Straights are just the boring bit between corners

A 250 Inline 4 would drive me bonkers in 10 minutes tho, The FZR I had did, didnt do anything till 9000rpm

[imdying]

REASONS WHY YOU DON'T NEED MORE THAN
250cc BIKE (Talking from a 2 stroker point of view of course and the likes of CBR250s etc)Well, not to rain on your parade or anything...


- The joy of embarrassing the bigger bike riders who can't ride and you can with a smaller engineGotta laugh when you go for a ride with a guy on a buzz bomb and they tear off thinking they're the shit. You make a nice police car buffer though, so cheers!


- If you're slower you can easily use the excuse your engine is smallerRide around all the time with the attitude that it's a race and of course you're going to need excuses


- 250cc bike riders are less likely to have fat girlfriends hence why they only need 250cclol what?


- 250cc bike riders save more money (ACC fuel cost etc)I'd wager a fireblade would use less gas/oil over 1000kms than an RS250 ;)


- Speed limit is 100km/h, 250cc easily ride at that speed, mine can even do 200km/h but it's unnecessary to drive anywhere near that on public roadsContrary to the rest of your post... fail


- You're bike is likely to be old school and much more cooler and rarer than some new I4 which looks like any other jappa.Rarer? I've seen a lot less new blades than I have RS250s.


- Powerband don't forget the powerbandEvery engine has a powerband....


- The smell from that racing 2 stroke oilNo argument there. Worth the price of ownership in itself :yes:


- It's temperamental, it requires care, so you appreciate it more when you give her a good ride.Errr, that's not really a good thing... On a 2 stroke, it's acceptable though.

When you get a bit older, you too will realise that you don't have to justify your choice of bike to anyone. I have an RGV which I love to bits, but realistically, it's not a patch on a new thou for 99% of situations. Some days you're in the rape it constantly zone, but generally not. I have a friend with a heavily modified NSR300, and it's pretty quick, but it's irritating having to plan a journey around its fuel stops.

[RDjase]

I'd wager a fireblade would use less gas/oil over 1000kms than an RS250 ;)

When you get a bit older, you too will realise that you don't have to justify your choice of bike to anyone. I have an RGV which I love to bits, but realistically, it's not a patch on a new thou for 99% of situations. Some days you're in the rape it constantly zone, but generally not. I have a friend with a heavily modified NSR300, and it's pretty quick, but it's irritating having to plan a journey around its fuel stops.

Forgot fuel consumption, My 2T's love the stuff.

Rode back from wellington with a GS1000 and a 999 Duke, gased up in welly then at Linton? Same distance riden, Duke used $9, GS1000 used $10ish, My LC used $13. and we wernt fanging it.

[aprilia_RS250]

Contrary to the rest of your post... fail

Not contrary really, I never speed at ridiculous speeds on straight roads but I like going fast around the twisties. At times you end up going faster than the bigger bikes because you're more maneuverable and lighter, then they catch up to you by doing 150+ on straights so I find it bigger bikes are more likely to get cop's attention.

As for fuel consumption Rs250 vs blade I seriously doubt it. My bike is on par with 600s, we each have a look at how much we fill at petrol stations.

As for new blades, the reason you don't see many of those is because they're butt ugly with that flat nose, why spend 20k on something that looks like a bulldog taking a shit...

[imdying]

As for fuel consumption Rs250 vs blade I seriously doubt it. My bike is on par with 600s, we each have a look at how much we fill at petrol stations.You're living in a dream world. Besides which, the 600s are chewing up $20 a litre oil at the same time. You can bullshit all you like, but I've one of each and I know what the real deal is :msn-wink:

[aprilia_RS250]

Well if you count in 2T oil which you only have to refill ~1000km then you have to take into consideration the extra ACC levy you have to pay for owning a 600cc which a 250cc 2T bike can keep up with.

But seriously how often would you put down all the power of a 1000cc superbike on the road?

Every time you show-off to that skyline at the lights?
Every time you need to overtake?
Every time you decide to be doing 250km/h on public roads?

[imdying]

The ACC levy doesn't mean much to me, I have multiple bikes and I do enough miles that if pales into insignificance. Not sure what your fascination with using the road like a race track is?

[aprilia_RS250]

The ACC levy doesn't mean much to me, I have multiple bikes and I do enough miles that if pales into insignificance. Not sure what your fascination with using the road like a race track is?

I don't think of the road as a race track.

Question was why would you need more than 250cc for bike.

My opinion is you don't need more than 250cc in unless you live in Germany, race track or somewhere where there is no speed limit where you can really open the bike up because a 250cc can pretty much do anything a 1000cc apart from go really really fast.

As impractical as a 1000cc superbike may be for NZ roads they're still very cool because they're powerful and fast. I can't see any other reason for owning one otherwise.

[onearmedbandit]

I don't think of the road as a race track.

Question was why would you need more than 250cc for bike.

My opinion is you don't need more than 250cc in unless you live in Germany, race track or somewhere where there is no speed limit where you can really open the bike up because a 250cc can pretty much do anything a 1000cc apart from go really really fast.

As impractical as a 1000cc superbike may be for NZ roads they're still very cool because they're powerful and fast. I can't see any other reason for owning one otherwise.

Can your RS250 overtake in 6th gear at 90km/h safely? Sure my bike, thrashed, is too much for the road. But it's fast and flexible. Whereas yours is just fast.

[imdying]

I don't think of the road as a race track.Well the only way you'll 'take down a big bike' on twisty piece of road is to totally commit to the job at hand. That robs you of your ability to compensate for the unexpected. Fine on a track where it's unlikely to matter, a recepie for eating a tractor on the road.

But that is both the folly and attraction of a 2 stroke 250 IME... on the one hand, you have to rape it to get anywhere which takes a lot of your concentration, but on the other, it's that total commitment to extracting the most from your bike that makes it a total pleasure (when you're in the mood).


Question was why would you need more than 250cc for bike.Indeed!


My opinion is you don't need more than 250cc in unless you live in Germany, race track or somewhere where there is no speed limit where you can really open the bike up because a 250cc can pretty much do anything a 1000cc apart from go really really fast.Pass cars in top by giving the wrist a little twist? It's nice to be able to concentrate on the pass, and not getting the bike to pass. Doesn't matter for the first 20 bikes, but when you've ridden 400kms beforehand, easy passing takes a lot of the irritation of riding a small bike away. Brutal torque anywhere in the RPM range never gets old :)


As impractical as a 1000cc superbike may be for NZ roads they're still very cool because they're powerful and fast. I can't see any other reason for owning one otherwise.Cool, powerful, fast... how more many reasons do you need!

Remember, you don't actually have to ride flat out to enjoy a bike on the road! (yeah crazy concept I know but there ya go)


Neither type is superior to the other, they both have their uses. So why would you ever need more than a 250:

- Taking a pillion: In general bigger bikes have more torque and more physical room
- Touring: For one, caning a buzz bomb gets old after a few hours in the saddle, and for another, you know how much 250 strokes like sitting at the same RPM for an hour (not)
- Relaxation: Being able to pass anything else on the road with a mere twist of the wrist is a lot more relaxing than having to plan your attack
- Safety: You're not always having to plan how you're going to work around the bikes faults (like a lack of bottom end), so you can concentrate on the road better. You never have to go like a bat out of hell to catch the group; if you want to catch them up, you just do it. Sure you can beat on it and do a million mile an hour, but that's only one of their many tricks

Personally I think everyone should have one of both, the 250 two stroke is too much of a hoot not to have experienced one! I love my RGV, but a ride to Greymouth or Nelson on it? No thanks, I'll take one of the thous.

[Smifffy]

So now, you're saying that a 250 is a "Proper bike"?

Do you just make half-arsed statements for giggles or what?

Going back to a 250 now are you?

What will tomorrow's hare-brained scheme be I wonder.

[Gremlin]

because a 250cc can pretty much do anything a 1000cc apart from go really really fast.
:thud: :laugh:

Your list of requirements must be tiny. Tell you what. You go get your favourite 250, I'll load it with say, 30-40kg of luggage, you throw a pillion on, and then we'll tootle off for a nice trip around the island for 7 days. We'll cover several hundred kilometres a day, seeing the beauty the country has.

Alternatively, drop the pillion, keep the gear, and do two weeks around both islands, cruising at an average of 90kph odd, including stops. My current steed for example, we'll do 4+ hours without a single stop. End of the day we'll cover over 1000km, and still be happy to do it again the next day.

Pretty much anything? :weird:

[ducatilover]

CBR250RR lap times around pukekohe are about the same as stockish jappers if you have a good rider onboard like Vtec or someone.

A ZXR/CBR will whoop any turbo car to the legal speed limit and do the 400m in mid to low 14 seconds with a good rider (not shitty meremere strip) ... you'd be hard pressed to get under 15 with a stock japper I'm sorry.

I agree with you if you are talking about the average scenario but the difference all lies in rider ability. Also rider weight is a huge factor with these bikes. I will wager plenty of money that a DC2 type R Integra will beat a well riden 250 4 stroke around puke, a DC2 will do a 14.7 out of the box, and it has no turbo. A CM5A GSR Shitsubitzi for example, will do 14.7-9 depending on how agressive the driver is and the temp on the day. Any model Evo or STi (before it runs a bearing) will deal to a 250 off the line.
My gutless 400 is faster than a CBR250, and I think it's slower than a wet week. Torque is a nice thing and I miss the torque of my 650.


Correct. Absolutely stock S15 200 SX Six speed. Stock wheels, exhaust, intake, everything. My first drive at a dragstrip (and the Masterton Motorplex is hardly a drag strip) and I ran 14.2. 14.2 is a very tidy time for an S15 in NZ, considering the usual lack of VHT at the motorplex. :niceone:


well they possibly rule the 250 size, but I'll stick with my 647 just the same, you just can't go wrong with a honda v-twin :msn-wink: Damn straight, passing up hills in 6th while drinking a coffee and touching females in greasy spots, not even at half throttle. That's how life should be. I need VTR thou.


Quoted 1/4 mile time for the S15 6spd Turbo is 13.8. I reckon it would take a good driver to replicate this, but it would take an amazing rider to beat one on a 250

http://japan-used-car-exporting.info/import/nissan-silvia-car-information-page.html


And around town? A cyclist could beat a car around town. And to 100km/h? About the same sorry, a good Jap turbo will do it in mid 5's, a fast one in high 4's. Quoted times for the CBR250RR is around 5.3-5.5 seconds.
:niceone: I have had a scuffle on the desert road on an MC22 vs an S14 turbo, the MC22 was quicker up to 1xxkm/h and I know I had more fun, but, I was fucked when I got home, Aucks to the Manawatu on a CBR250... horrid. Only fun for a thrash, and it wasn't good on gas for a 250 either.

[banditrider]

I need VTR thou.

I can help you there...

(And no, I'm not selling it so I can get a 250!)

[ducatilover]

I can help you there...

(And no, I'm not selling it so I can get a 250!)

Oh can you....? :devil2: Are you in need of a 2.4d hilux....

[rachprice]

there are a number of people I know who said "I'll never sell my 250"... well they all did when they got bigger bikes.

Man I'd happily go back to my 250!
4 strokes are nice and reliable but a little boring and safe, well I haven't ridden a modern 600/1000 so I'm sure they dont seem like that

[banditrider]

Oh can you....? :devil2: Are you in need of a 2.4d hilux....

fraid not old bean. :no:

[ducatilover]

fraid not old bean. :no:

How much then? And what colour.... :second:


Sorry for the hi-jack etc.

[racefactory]

Since we're on the topic, does anyone know what a RS250 does for L/100km?

[DMNTD]

Dunno why anyone would want for more than 125cc's :niceone:

[Slyer]

Since we're on the topic, does anyone know what a RS250 does for L/100km?
About as well as a litre bike.

[Latte]

Since we're on the topic, does anyone know what a RS250 does for L/100km?

NSR Does 6-7l / 100k , mix of commuting and country roads (not fanging though)..

[aprilia_RS250]

Since we're on the topic, does anyone know what a RS250 does for L/100km?

Coro Loop just under 10L per 100km
On the Motorway from Coro Loop ~6L per 100km

[Jantar]

I asked this question a few pages back, but no-one seems to want to answer it.

If a 250 is all a rider needs then why are there none entered in the TT2000?

[banditrider]

NSR Does 6-7l / 100k , mix of commuting and country roads (not fanging though)..

Hmmmm, 1400 Connie: less than 6L/100km over 62,000km - all riding scenarios...

[ducatilover]

Hmmmm, 1400 Connie: less than 6L/100km over 62,000km - all riding scenarios...

My stupid 400 is running just over 6L/100km currently, will be better with a tune/re-jet I hope.

[Latte]

I asked this question a few pages back, but no-one seems to want to answer it.

If a 250 is all a rider needs then why are there none entered in the TT2000?

Whats the TT2000? :msn-wink:

[Jantar]

Whats the TT2000? :msn-wink:
http://www.tt2000.org/

[puddytat]

I asked this question a few pages back, but no-one seems to want to answer it.

If a 250 is all a rider needs then why are there none entered in the TT2000?

Well I have an excuse, mines in race trim...

[Gremlin]

Hmmmm, 1400 Connie: less than 6L/100km over 62,000km - all riding scenarios...
Have had the beemer as low as 5.2L/100km, but I was stuck behind traffic dawdling at 80kph into town. Rapid pace, around 5.7-5.8L/100km with luggage on.

Not bad for bikes in the 1-1.5L bracket huh?

[Gibbo89]

I asked this question a few pages back, but no-one seems to want to answer it.

If a 250 is all a rider needs then why are there none entered in the TT2000?

You supply me the petrol, I'll bring the bike and camera :msn-wink:

[onearmedbandit]

I only know roughly how much my bike uses, and that's only because it is just over 200km to Springs Junction from here, and I need to top up there. So I know with slightly spirited riding I get about 200km per tank. Otherwise, I ride bike, bike needs fuel, I put fuel in, I give card to man, man gives card back, I ride bike. Repeat over and over again.

[banditrider]

Have had the beemer as low as 5.2L/100km, but I was stuck behind traffic dawdling at 80kph into town. Rapid pace, around 5.7-5.8L/100km with luggage on.

Not bad for bikes in the 1-1.5L bracket huh?

Yep, I won't mention the VTR's economy...

[Owl]

I've had my S3 to 5.2L/100km and it's uneconomical for an S3. Normal riding sees about 6.2L/100km. Stock or modified factory fuel maps are far more economical.

[RiderInBlack]

For my old GSXR250 to go 100kph it was doing 10,000rpm. For my VFR750 it was going 5,000rpm and my GSX1400 is well under 3,000rpm at 100kph. Therefore the 250 was having to do twice the motor distance than the 750 and over 3x the motor distance of the 1400. That meant it needed more regular engine maintenance and repair than the bigger bikes. Which is something that is un-practical for someone like myself that rides long distances. It's not at all about who can go faster, or get their knee down for my type of riding. Sure I could make a 250 do the job but it would not do it comfortability, nor would it last as long doing it.

[racefactory]

06 ZX6R 4.4L/100km with 80- 100kph cruising plus some overtakes.

[racefactory]

For my old GSXR250 to go 100kph it was doing 10,000rpm. For my VFR750 it was going 5,000rpm and my GSX1400 is well under 3,000rpm at 100kph. Therefore the 250 was having to do twice the motor distance than the 750 and over 3x the motor distance of the 1400. That meant it needed more regular engine maintenance and repair than the bigger bikes. Which is something that is un-practical for someone like myself that rides long distances. It's not at all about who can go faster, or get their knee down for my type of riding. Sure I could make a 250 do the job but it would not do it comfortability, nor would it last as long doing it.

That's true but still, the MC14 engines on the cbr250rr family will do well over 100,000 of abused kms. I wouldn't say that's too different from any big bike.

[RiderInBlack]

That's true but still, the MC14 engines on the cbr250rr family will do well over 100,000 of abused kms. I wouldn't say that's too different from any big bike.The GSX1400 are good for over 200,000. I've personally had to re-motor my GSXR250R after 50,000km, and yet when working on my old CBR1000FL @ 50,000miles (80,000km) the engine bores still showed the machining marks from the day it was made, so next to no wear in the bores by then. It obvious when ya look at the difference in average working engine speed.
The 90's Racing 250's where made for racing & to get around the common Learners "250cc Max" rule, not for distance and durability. Most countries have dropped that for a more sensible "power to weight restriction" instead now. NZ is on the way to adopting the same rule. So the days of the Screaming inline four 250cc bikes are numbered. Not seen any new ones for a while now.

[ducatilover]

It's simple isn't it? My fathers FJ1200 had over 200,000km on it and it still ran very well. My Bros650 had 27 on the clock, which I don't believe at all and I sold my 250 with 150,000km on her, It will do many more, only because it was serviced very well.
I'd like a big twin, no stress, lots of torque and noise. (Not a hardly gayvidson though) :niceone:

[avgas]

Have had the beemer as low as 5.2L/100km, but I was stuck behind traffic dawdling at 80kph into town. Rapid pace, around 5.7-5.8L/100km with luggage on.

Not bad for bikes in the 1-1.5L bracket huh?
May be fuel economy is proportional to HP and fun then :bleh: not engine size :devil2:

[avgas]

I asked this question a few pages back, but no-one seems to want to answer it.

If a 250 is all a rider needs then why are there none entered in the TT2000?
Some of the people whom enter that spends $$$$ on bikes, and have years and years of riding skills.

Its just not fair if you turn up on a 250 and kick their arse. You could hurt their feelings.

[Jantar]

I love having my feelings hurt. :bleh:

[RiderInBlack]

Some of the people whom enter that spends $$$$ on bikes, and have years and years of riding skills.

Its just not fair if you turn up on a 250 and kick their arse. You could hurt their feelings.If ya going ta turn up to the TT2000 or the Grand Challenge on a 250 (it's been done on the GC), it pays to have years & years of riding skills and good sound mechanical know-how, as well as having ya 250 in tip-top mechanical condition, because the only feeling ya will hurt are ya own. Turn up to the Rusty Nuts GC with any ill prepared bike and it is your arse that would be getting kicked (back home with ya tail tucked between ya legs).

PS: By the way the TT2000 Rusty and the Nuts GC are not about "Winning" or "Kicking Arse", they are about making it back home safe having achieved the Challenge.

[avgas]

I love having my feelings hurt. :bleh:
Of course you do - all RE5 owners do :msn-wink:

[avgas]

it pays to have years & years of riding skills and good sound mechanical know-how
Errr thats life riding really.
The challenge doesn't make it any different apart from being one hell of a good/bad(long) ride.

Anyone whom thinks otherwise is a pretty boy

[RiderInBlack]

Errr thats life riding really.
The challenge doesn't make it any different apart from being one hell of a good/bad(long) ride.Have ya ridden the Rusty Nuts GC or done the TT2000?

Anyone whom thinks otherwise is a pretty boy
Ta Quote Fat Bastard:
"Oh, is that all the thanks I get for the night of hot sex? I'm dead sexy, you were crap!"
230159

[avgas]

Have ya ridden the Rusty Nuts GC or done the TT2000?
Have you seen the bikes I ride.......I would have to tow a parts trailer with me

Nah on a serious note though - Its in the long term plan, when I get one of those things people keep talking about, whats it called again???? ah thats it
a holiday.

Most of my big rides consist of ride a 1000 km, stopping every 200 for gas and mechanical (or electrical) failures - that usually chews up a day (or 2) pretty easy.

[racefactory]

I've done pretty much the equivalent of the TT2000 on a ZXR250. Piece of piss...

Well not quite that easy but you lot are just old and rusty!!! And no not one problem with the bike. It's really not as hard as yo make it out to be mate, sorry to burst your bubble. It just depends if you've done long trips before and are used to them.

I admit though, I could never do it on a VFR400 NC30, fuck that shit- fuck that shit to hell.

[Gremlin]

1000km a day for 2 days is easy. I did 1200 and 1100 with time to spare last year and no preparation. Depends if you do that sort of stuff regularly or not.

What's "pretty much". Running up and down SH1 doesn't count.

[racefactory]

1000km a day for 2 days is easy. I did 1200 and 1100 with time to spare last year and no preparation. Depends if you do that sort of stuff regularly or not.

What's "pretty much". Running up and down SH1 doesn't count.

well yeah it was just up and down SH1... so what, how does that make 1600km in 1.5 days any easier. Corners give you a chance to move on the bike and not get cramp or go mental with boredom. With decent corners the limit would probably be my wallet with buying fuel.

Also no preparation at all- wallet, keys, phon... OK let's go.

[Gremlin]

well yeah it was just up and down SH1... so what, how does that make 1600km in 1.5 days any easier.
1600km? 1.5 days? :laugh: In October I did 1640km in a little under 18 hours (overnight)... some state highways, other roads in the middle of the night with no street lights, road markers, reflector posts on corners etc. SH1 is physically easier than roads with no reflective markers in the middle of the night, with decreasing radius corners, more dodgy surfaces etc. Your average speed can get slaughtered. SH1 allows you to maintain a much higher average speed. SH1 is so much easier to travel... its almost hard to explain to people that simply don't understand.


Corners give you a chance to move on the bike and not get cramp or go mental with boredom.
You do have a point there... mentally, the boredom drains you.

[Jantar]

.... so what, how does that make 1600km in 1.5 days any easier. .....
Try 1600 km in one day, or 2000 to 3200 km in 40 hours. Hell 1600 km in 1.5 days is just a training ride.

But have a look at the TT2000 website and look at the list of bikes entered. There is one, only one 600cc, a few 650s, one 750 and all the rest are large capacity machines. Then look at the route, and the flyers. It isn't SH1. Try riding the Catlins at 100 kmh and you'll soon find yourself in hospital, try making your fuel last from Frankton to Dart River to Coronet peak, over the Crown range and back to Cromwell in the middle of the night.

Why do you think that there aren't any 250s?

[racefactory]

Ok I retaliate.

[Slyer]

1600km? 1.5 days? :laugh: In October I did 1640km in a little under 18 hours (overnight)... some state highways, other roads in the middle of the night with no street lights, road markers, reflector posts on corners etc. SH1 is physically easier than roads with no reflective markers in the middle of the night, with decreasing radius corners, more dodgy surfaces etc. Your average speed can get slaughtered. SH1 allows you to maintain a much higher average speed. SH1 is so much easier to travel... its almost hard to explain to people that simply don't understand.


You do have a point there... mentally, the boredom drains you.
Every post of yours I read seems to be about how amazing you are at long distance riding.

[Gremlin]

Every post of yours I read seems to be about how amazing you are at long distance riding.
You don't read enough posts then... Look at the website Jantar suggested, there are people that have been doing it far more than me, and I'm hardly the only one.

meh

[Smifffy]

Ok I retaliate.

Awesome comeback!

Nice retaliation!

[ducatilover]

I admit though, I could never do it on a VFR400 NC30, fuck that shit- fuck that shit to hell.

I'm assuming you're not 5ft 7 like me? I find the NC30 fine, but, most short people do. The ZXR do tend to be more accomodating.

[Smifffy]

But have a look at the TT2000 website and look at the list of bikes entered. There is one, only one 600cc, a few 650s, one 750 and all the rest are large capacity machines.


There are a few more now, but still no 250s

[Smifffy]

Every post of yours I read seems to be about how amazing you are at long distance riding.

I enjoy his posts, they get me thinking about my riding, my equipment set up and my choice of route.

[RiderInBlack]

Every post of yours I read seems to be about how amazing you are at long distance riding.I'd prefer that over the juvenile posts we get from riders boasting how fast they are, how they think they can give someone a learning and How much they get they knee down. There is way more to riding with skill than that.
A few of us have been giving very good reasons why someone may need more than a 250 for their choice of riding, but some of you are to busy wasting time playing key broad experts trying to prove ya right instead of listening. In the end that is your problem. When you mature (that doesn't mean in years, old doesn't always equal Mature), ya might work in out. Until then I just go out and enjoy my rides.

[Slyer]

I'd prefer that over the juvenile posts we get from riders boasting how fast they are, how they think they can give someone a learning and How much they get they knee down. There is way more to riding with skill than that.
A few of us have been giving very good reasons why someone may need more than a 250 for their choice of riding, but some of you are to busy wasting time playing key broad experts trying to prove ya right instead of listening. In the end that is your problem. When you mature (that doesn't mean in years, old doesn't always equal Mature), ya might work in out. Until then I just go out and enjoy my rides.
Mature people don't build an assumption on top of another assumption and make a complete idiot of themselves.
Sort yourself out.

[Gremlin]

Sort what out? OP says you don't need more than a 250. As RIB says, we list a bunch of reasons, which OP etc obviously never think about, and argue with instead. Many of these guys have clocked up thousands every month. I know one of them loves doing 600km before lunch, if he can.

When others do big km, I just get jealous wishing it was me. Seems others just like to attack them instead.

I reckon we're at the end of the discussion. Going round and round in circles, and riding is far more productive. Pity I have to work :(

[imdying]

So there you go Edward, plenty of reasons why you'd want more than a 250. And apparently all of those reasons are boring as fuck.

Somebody put a bullet into my head if I ever get a kick out of distance riding... that surely has to be the lamest way to use a motorcycle. Sure sometimes you need to drop a thousand in a day, but "just for the fun (sic) of it"? The motorcycling equivalent of knitting, yay... just another boring skillless pasttime (and no, staying awake at your bike when you're bone tired isn't a skill, it's just a special form of retardation).

[Gremlin]

Somebody put a bullet into my head if I ever get a kick out of distance riding... that surely has to be the lamest way to use a motorcycle. Sure sometimes you need to drop a thousand in a day, but "just for the fun (sic) of it"? The motorcycling equivalent of knitting, yay... just another boring skillless pasttime (and no, staying awake at your bike when you're bone tired isn't a skill, it's just a special form of retardation).
:lol:

Ok, please don't tell me your idea of fun is riding around the same 2-4km over and over and over and calling that fun? :Pokey:

From Auckland, riding 1000km a day allows day trips to Cape Reinga, East Cape, West Cape, etc. Scratch that... East Cape is probably over 1000km round trip... that was when I did a couple of 1600km trips for training... :drool:

[racefactory]

:lol:

Ok, please don't tell me your idea of fun is riding around the same 2-4km over and over and over and calling that fun? :Pokey:

From Auckland, riding 1000km a day allows day trips to Cape Reinga, East Cape, West Cape, etc. Scratch that... East Cape is probably over 1000km round trip... that was when I did a couple of 1600km trips for training... :drool:

No he's quite right... the fun is in extracting performance out of the bike and getting the heart rate going, harder on the brakes and upping the speed around bends... Feeling at one with the bike.

[Slyer]

So to summarise the thread in the most concise way possible.
You don't need more than a 250 unless you're huge, want a bigger selection of bikes, ride two up, do long distance riding or need to be able to pop power wheelies in 6th gear.

Anything I missed?

[Jantar]

So to summarise the thread in the most concise way possible.
You don't need more than a 250 unless you're huge, want a bigger selection of bikes, ride two up, do long distance riding or need to be able to pop power wheelies in 6th gear.

Anything I missed?
Probably just the plusses of a 250. They are perfect for commuting, riding around the block, and when you just want to have short bursts of fun. :baby:

[Gremlin]

Don't forget you can also give it the wellies in every gear and probably still be somewhere around 100kph, instead of lying in a ditch saying oops, or chatting to a very excited constable. :lol:

[sinned]

I've had my S3 to 5.2L/100km and it's uneconomical for an S3. Normal riding sees about 6.2L/100km. Stock or modified factory fuel maps are far more economical. About the same on my S3 and on equivalent runs the busa uses less fuel. The S3 was more fun though.


I've done pretty much the equivalent of the TT2000 on a ZXR250. Piece of piss...
I can picture the Tui billboard.


well yeah it was just up and down SH1... so what, how does that make 1600km in 1.5 days any easier. Corners give you a chance to move on the bike and not get cramp or go mental with boredom. . What can I say?

No I will not be going back to a 250 - had 2 2strokers 1 single4. Nothing beats high performance cubes.

[racefactory]

IL4 beats them.

[Latte]

IL4 beats them.

What's them, smokers?

[racefactory]

It beats everything but smokers.

[DEATH_INC.]

I asked this question a few pages back, but no-one seems to want to answer it.

If a 250 is all a rider needs then why are there none entered in the TT2000?

I suspect that's an easy answer.....how many young fellas are doing it?

[Jantar]

Well, I don't know all the entrants, but there is at least one young lady doing it. :2thumbsup

[Gremlin]

I suspect that's an easy answer.....how many young fellas are doing it?
define young, old fella?

I'm doing it, and don't have to count past 30 to measure my age. :woohoo:

[bogan]

It beats everything but smokers.

in the same way that bigger bikes beat everything but even bigger bikes, not that you would ever need any bigger than a 250 though right? :innocent:

[DMNTD]

I'm doing it, and don't have to count past 30 to measure my age. :woohoo:

Yeah but you can't count it if it's with yourself

[Teflon]

Wrong- CBR250RR's rule...

NSR/RGV/KR1 they rule. I miss the smell of TTS

[racefactory]

NSR/RGV/KR1 they rule. I miss the smell of TTS

I agree and stand corrected. Don't forget the TZR

[Gremlin]

Yeah but you can't count it if it's with yourself
Both hands on the keyboard please... we're talking about motorbike riding

[R-Soul]

because a 250cc can pretty much do anything a 1000cc apart from go really really fast.


Nah....

not even close.

A 250cc cannot give me an acceleration buzz, and feel like its trying to rip my arms off from walking speed to 100 km/hr. It feels completely flat and soggy after my bike. That's ANY (road going) 250.

Similarly, a 250cc cannot move into gaps in the same way that my V-twin can - I only have to think about being in a gap, and I am there.

A 250 cc cannot pass cars in fractions of seconds, making sunday rides more enjoyable, and less constricted. Breathing tail fumes for miles while waiting for a suitable passing bay is not my idea of fun.

A 250cc could not have got me out of trouble the other day (when Mary Pajero was crossing lanes while shouting at kids in the back) by passing almost instantaneously around her car without having to change gear or even look for one.

A 250cc cannot give you the sense of complete and utter superiority to pretty much any car on the road, to the extent that you have nothing to prove, and dont even try.

A 250cc cannot give me the hassle free riding that comes with being able tstay in 3rd all day in the twisties, and allow me to concentrate on my lines and body positioning.

Yes, you dont NEED that power. The fact is that cars or bikes in general dont NEED anything more than about 25 hp to get to speed limit speeds (over a loooong time). But I dont see too many of those around. People want more power. And I want THAT power...

A 250 does give you good mileage, not bad performance (if you consider having to contemplate WHETHER a car is faster than you as good performance) and is probably suited best for day to day commuting etc. But I would not swap mine for any 250 in the world.

[onearmedbandit]

Rode down to Timaru on Sunday for the racing at Levels, and with the wind we had there is no way in hell I would've enjoyed that at all on a 250.

[Teflon]

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[ducatilover]

Rode down to Timaru on Sunday for the racing at Levels, and with the wind we had there is no way in hell I would've enjoyed that at all on a 250.
Wind + small bikes = fail. The 400 is good in the wind...for a small bike. In other words it sucks. Yet 'tis better than any 250 I have ridden.
:facepalm: I must buy another bigger bike.

Nah....

not even close.

A 250cc cannot give me an acceleration buzz, and feel like its trying to rip my arms off from walking speed to 100 km/hr. It feels completely flat and soggy after my bike. That's ANY (road going) 250.

Similarly, a 250cc cannot move into gaps in the same way that my V-twin can - I only have to think about being in a gap, and I am there.

A 250 cc cannot pass cars in fractions of seconds, making sunday rides more enjoyable, and less constricted. Breathing tail fumes for miles while waiting for a suitable passing bay is not my idea of fun.

A 250cc could not have got me out of trouble the other day (when Mary Pajero was crossing lanes while shouting at kids in the back) by passing almost instantaneously around her car without having to change gear or even look for one.

A 250cc cannot give you the sense of complete and utter superiority to pretty much any car on the road, to the extent that you have nothing to prove, and dont even try.

A 250cc cannot give me the hassle free riding that comes with being able tstay in 3rd all day in the twisties, and allow me to concentrate on my lines and body positioning.

Yes, you dont NEED that power. The fact is that cars or bikes in general dont NEED anything more than about 25 hp to get to speed limit speeds (over a loooong time). But I dont see too many of those around. People want more power. And I want THAT power...

A 250 does give you good mileage, not bad performance (if you consider having to contemplate WHETHER a car is faster than you as good performance) and is probably suited best for day to day commuting etc. But I would not swap mine for any 250 in the world.

You forgot you can listen to the thumping V-twin at low revs, at any legal speed. Which, in my mind, is the best thing ever.
My 250's weren't very good on gas unless it was open road riding, and, sitting at 8000rpm at 100km/h is horrid and gay.

[ttmadness]

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What a wicked track and that guy must be having one hell of a time on that NSR!

[gijoe1313]

I still love and ride my lil'ol'hornet - taken him around the clock and winding on some more milage still!

The little chewfiddy is a passel o'fun and brings grins to my face still! :woohoo: (but then I'm not like most other people! :scratch:)

[Whynot]

I don't wave to 250s

[Jantar]

I don't wave to 250s
Whynot? ...

[ducatilover]

I don't wave to 250s

Harley rider? :innocent:

[Whynot]

Harley rider? :innocent:

I don't wave to harleys ....
and i only use the KB wave on special occasions

[ducatilover]

I don't wave to harleys ....
and i only use the KB wave on special occasions

:yes: Good

[superman]

A 250cc cannot give me an acceleration buzz, and feel like its trying to rip my arms off from walking speed to 100 km/hr. It feels completely flat and soggy after my bike. That's ANY (road going) 250.

Similarly, a 250cc cannot move into gaps in the same way that my V-twin can - I only have to think about being in a gap, and I am there.

A 250 cc cannot pass cars in fractions of seconds, making sunday rides more enjoyable, and less constricted. Breathing tail fumes for miles while waiting for a suitable passing bay is not my idea of fun.

A 250cc could not have got me out of trouble the other day (when Mary Pajero was crossing lanes while shouting at kids in the back) by passing almost instantaneously around her car without having to change gear or even look for one.

A 250cc cannot give you the sense of complete and utter superiority to pretty much any car on the road, to the extent that you have nothing to prove, and dont even try.

A 250cc cannot give me the hassle free riding that comes with being able tstay in 3rd all day in the twisties, and allow me to concentrate on my lines and body positioning.

Yes, you dont NEED that power. The fact is that cars or bikes in general dont NEED anything more than about 25 hp to get to speed limit speeds (over a loooong time). But I dont see too many of those around. People want more power. And I want THAT power...

A 250 does give you good mileage, not bad performance (if you consider having to contemplate WHETHER a car is faster than you as good performance) and is probably suited best for day to day commuting etc. But I would not swap mine for any 250 in the world.

Agree with you on most of your points. Especially being stuck behind bloody cars.

Although, absolutely maxing out the bike on the road to its limit is great without being able to totally shit your pants. And not breaking the speed limit by too much in the process.

If I get a clear run on the 27km to work through those windy country roads, no matter what it makes me grin insanely.

Though as said, the acceleration isn't phenomenal... especially in my parallel twin... so here's to getting at least a 600 when I get out of the shackles of being on a 250 for 2 years.

[ducatilover]

Agree with you on most of your points. Especially being stuck behind bloody cars.

Although, absolutely maxing out the bike on the road to its limit is great without being able to totally shit your pants. And not breaking the speed limit by too much in the process.

If I get a clear run on the 27km to work through those windy country roads, no matter what it makes me grin insanely.

Though as said, the acceleration isn't phenomenal... especially in my parallel twin... so here's to getting at least a 600 when I get out of the shackles of being on a 250 for 2 years.

Don't worry, I found my 650 more fun than the 400's/250's I have had. It was a small bike in a way, but, didn't lack in power and torque as a 250 did and I was commuting 150+Km per day, mainly on winding roads.

[Autech]

Despite countless offers to take a bigger bike for a spin I've turned it down. Why? (forgetting the legal details :facepalm:) Well I know that the second I wind the throttle on a nice 600 I'll never want to go back to my Hyo. Why spoil the fun? I have a great time on my Hyo, it gets great milage (and yes I think it could handle the TT2000 just fine) and hasn't given me trouble. In one year I've ridden 22000ks on the beast, she's a beaut, I love her, but she's got to go!!!

Here's why:

Try overtaking a ford laser, they decide to put their foot down slightly and you hit a head wind. Bad.
Try turning up to a track day on a 250, you soon get sick of the big bikes holding you up on the corners but blitzing you on the straights, even on the road this happens. Quite often I come across the "I own a hog and I'm fast on corners" chap. Now surprisingly I find most these Hogs aren't all that quicker on a straight than a 250, they're only just enough to frustrate you. So you have to be smart and sit back, wait for a clear corner and sligshot past them :D

As for the CBR250. I've ridden a few, they're a heck of a lot of fun, but most of them are knackered, they scream constantly and are massively overpriced. Oh and if you blow one up? There was one on a track day I was at and he was mega quick on it, so much so that you really couldn't place a Hyo or Ninja 250 in the same class. One is a 250 engineered to its extreme limit, the other is one made to rules and regulations. Though I'm waiting to see what the new Motogp class brings out onto the market with the 250 singles, will be interesting

End of novel

[racefactory]

Another video for you 250 riders demonstrating the insane fun that can be had on these machines and their capability over bigger machines.

Snippets displaying the prowess of man and machine, that is the LEGENDARY nsr250; one of the most successful Honda motorcycles (a fucking sexy as hell bike, just not in this vid ;))

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NSR250 DOGFIGHT with crash.

An absolutely exhilarating sound...
(that's coming from a 996 owner btw)

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Enjoy...

[onearmedbandit]

No one is denying smaller bikes have their pluses, but no one is agreeing that a 250 is all you'll ever need.

[hayd3n]

I don't wave to harleys ....
and i only use the KB wave on special occasions

theres a wave??

[racefactory]

Yes I see that. Not what I implied with the thread title but didn't know people would take it so literally... should have just named it '250's can be hella fun in this and this and this way'

I wish to share just one last video with you 250 riders showcasing some of the pinnacles of small motorcycles when they were fresh back in their day, ridden like they should be, in the country they were created.

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Enjoy, that's all for now folks...

[onearmedbandit]

Stand out moments in that vid include, the guy on what looks like an RG50 or similar knee down in a straight line, the scooters keeping pace through the corners, and the guy with a camera attached to his helmet, back in 1988-90!

[onearmedbandit]

Whilst slower than the 250 this is still very impressive, considering it's one of the biggest sports bikes you can get, the ZZR1400.


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[racefactory]

Stand out moments in that vid include, the guy on what looks like an RG50 or similar knee down in a straight line, the scooters keeping pace through the corners, and the guy with a camera attached to his helmet, back in 1988-90!

Japs at their finest.

[Whynot]

theres a wave??

yep.

although i think its due for a revamp, maybe we should start a poll on it ..... ?

[imdying]

Try turning up to a track day on a 250, you soon get sick of the big bikes holding you up on the corners but blitzing you on the straights, even on the road this happens.But do you know why this happens? I mean, a CBR600 will eat your 250 on the corners, no trouble at all. You have to maintain maximum attack on the corners, you have no power to pull you out of the turn. The CBR guy, he doesn't need to ride at 100% all the time, he can leave a little saftey margin in the corners by using his power to get him back up to speed.

Smart riders don't ride at 100% everywhere if there's no prize money, and smart riders definitely don't ride at 100% on the road.

[onearmedbandit]

But do you know why this happens? I mean, a CBR600 will eat your 250 on the corners, no trouble at all. You have to maintain maximum attack on the corners, you have no power to pull you out of the turn. The CBR guy, he doesn't need to ride at 100% all the time, he can leave a little saftey margin in the corners by using his power to get him back up to speed.

Smart riders don't ride at 100% everywhere if there's no prize money, and smart riders definitely don't ride at 100% on the road.

+1. I'd put Sal's 600 up against any 15+yr old 250 through any corner. And then it's got 100hp to pull out of the corner.

[banditrider]

Whilst slower than the 250 this is still very impressive, considering it's one of the biggest sports bikes you can get, the ZZR1400.


Nice, here's it's fatter brother showing off it's low speed handling.

AKwpMYqObTY

[Autech]

But do you know why this happens? I mean, a CBR600 will eat your 250 on the corners, no trouble at all. You have to maintain maximum attack on the corners, you have no power to pull you out of the turn. The CBR guy, he doesn't need to ride at 100% all the time, he can leave a little saftey margin in the corners by using his power to get him back up to speed.

Smart riders don't ride at 100% everywhere if there's no prize money, and smart riders definitely don't ride at 100% on the road.

I agree entirely, I have not yet ridden at 100%, not on the road or a track day, though I'm planning to at my first Prolites round :woohoo:

All I'm saying is that I can't wait to get a bigger bike (March 30 :D) cause said person who only wants to use, say 70% of their ability, even on a track day, wont hold me up when I want to put a little bit more in than them.

Those NSR's look like they're having a bloody good time, can you hear him cursing when he's picking it up after losing the front?

And my bike is quite heavy so it's not a good example of this, but a well set up LIGHTER 250 will hammer any heavier bike around a corner. Out of the corner no, but for corner speed less weight is key.

[onearmedbandit]

And my bike is quite heavy so it's not a good example of this, but a well set up LIGHTER 250 will hammer any heavier bike around a corner. Out of the corner no, but for corner speed less weight is key.

You're missing a critical component from your equation, that being quality suspension and chassis. A 15yr old 250 will get it's arse spanked by a 2008 CBR600, unless it's on (seriously) worked suspension etc. Remember, the CBR600is 154kg dry, which I'm sure isn't to far removed from a 1990's 250...

[imdying]

All I'm saying is that I can't wait to get a bigger bike (March 30 :D) cause said person who only wants to use, say 70% of their ability, even on a track day, wont hold me up when I want to put a little bit more in than them.No, you said:

Try turning up to a track day on a 250, you soon get sick of the big bikes holding you up on the corners but blitzing you on the straights, even on the road this happens.Which is quite ridiculous.


And my bike is quite heavy so it's not a good example of this, but a well set up LIGHTER 250 will hammer any heavier bike around a corner.Weight has nothing to do with engine size.... my 1000 is probably barely heavier than your 250. Mind you, my 250 is probably a lot lighter than your one too. Regardless, your suspension will tie you up in knots and limit your corner speed way before the thou.

[Autech]

You're picking apart what I said and completely missing the point, but what else can you expect from this forum?

[onearmedbandit]

So explain your point a little more clearly for us. You stated that due to the light weight of the 250's they would hold off the bigger bikes through corners, but get blown away on the straights because of their power. Right? Or have I got that wrong?

So what does your 250 weigh? 150kg dry? 160kg?

[R-Soul]

I wish to share just one last video with you 250 riders showcasing some of the pinnacles of small motorcycles when they were fresh back in their day, ridden like they should be, in the country they were created.



Interestingly enough, almost to a man, they have bad technique.

They are all crossed up and hanging their ass of the seat with a view to get their knee down (for the image), but wiithout getting any decent dynamic effect from it. All of their their torsos are centred along the centreline of their bikes, with their ass hanging off, and probably hanging off their bars with a death grip...

So maybe not the way they were MEANT to be then...

[slothracer]

A CBR250RR is not just "a" 250.

yeah cbr 250rr are a joke. rgv all the way

[slothracer]

Yeah they sound fast, I'll give 'em that much.

ha sound and no go.

[avgas]

No, you said:
Which is quite ridiculous.
It is.
And he is right.

I am getting absolutely sick of finding absolute fucking numpties riding big bore bikes.
Fucking knobs who hold up my rides, blocking the roads with their new Ducati ZXR RR ABC 1234cc fancy bikes and their Colgate leathers.
Doing the fucking speed limits posted on the signs of every corner.

Fucking knobs should crash and die, and get the fuck off my roads.
Last think I want is to be associated with these wannabe bikers with big budgets.

I have a simple rule, I don't care what people ride. But if they can't ride for shit they should be on L plate.....if they are 19 or 55......I don't give a fuck.

[R-Soul]

TROLL:
It is.
And he is right.

I am getting absolutely sick of finding absolute fucking numpties riding big bore bikes.
Fucking knobs who hold up my rides, blocking the roads with their new Ducati ZXR RR ABC 1234cc fancy bikes and their Colgate leathers.
Doing the fucking speed limits posted on the signs of every corner.

Fucking knobs should crash and die, and get the fuck off my roads.
Last think I want is to be associated with these wannabe bikers with big budgets.

I have a simple rule, I don't care what people ride. But if they can't ride for shit they should be on L plate.....if they are 19 or 55......I don't give a fuck.

Let me put a heading there for ya...

[avgas]

Let me put a heading there for ya...
Wasn't a troll. I am genuinely sick of numpties on bikes now.

If I want to follow a bunch of big bore pansies - I would own a sports car.

Motorcycling should be treated as a sacred thing. It used to be cool and dangerous.

[onearmedbandit]

It used to be cool and dangerous.

Dangerous yes, cool, no.

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[avgas]

Dangerous yes, cool, no.

http://www.thehistorybluff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/mccrary-twins-bikes.jpg
Good thing you lost that weight.
Heard the diet was hard, is it true that you got so hungry you chewed your own arm off?

[RDjase]

Dangerous yes, cool, no.

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Bucket Racing?

Do a lap, eat a bucket of KFC, and so on, 1st bike to break in half loses

[R-Soul]

Wasn't a troll. I am genuinely sick of numpties on bikes now.

If I want to follow a bunch of big bore pansies - I would own a sports car.

Motorcycling should be treated as a sacred thing. It used to be cool and dangerous.

Well it's definitely still dangerous... I kinda assumed that made it cool? :shutup:

[onearmedbandit]

Good thing you lost that weight.
Heard the diet was hard, is it true that you got so hungry you chewed your own arm off?

Nah, it was my brother's arm.