2011 NZ Champs

[Shaun]

Best wishes to all who are racing

[White trash]

Cool.

Particular best wishes to the two virgin sidecar teams practicing for the very first time right this second.

Jay Lawrence with the lovely young Max swinging and of course Drew with Alan keeping my seat warm until the Ruapuna Round. Don't get comfortable boy-o!!!

[Tony.OK]

+1

Looks like its gonna be one of the best seasons in a while.
Even saw mention of prize money somewhere............recession be damned:niceone:

122 entries for rnd 1, tv coverage of rnds 3, 4 & 5, live audio of each round at NZSBK. Great stuff!!!!!!!!

" Drew I need my hundy back to buy lotto tickets to get back into this racing lark haha "

Good luck to all involved :niceone::niceone::niceone::niceone:

[Clivoris]

I am in awe of those with the inclination, determination and budgetting skills to participate in the Nationals. May you all enjoy the competition.

[Gone Burger]

Best of luck to all those racing from me too! An exciting month ahead and am supporting a couple of racers in particular. GO LADS!

[jellywrestler]

word has it from fridays practice at Levels Dan Stauffer was about a second quicker than Stroud and Shirriffs. First time he's seen the track too.
Should be a good weekend I'm picking for Superbikes

[White trash]

Will NZSBK have some links to live timing for the weekends proceedings, anyone know?

[lukemillar]

Will NZSBK have some links to live timing for the weekends proceedings, anyone know?

Would be sweet, but I think that is only available at the NI rounds.

You can get live audio from the nzsbk website from 12pm today.

[SuperSonic]

Would be sweet, but I think that is only available at the NI rounds.

You can get live audio from the nzsbk website from 12pm today.

Can you please post link as I only get site off line notice, is their another site??

[White trash]

Can you please post link as I only get site off line notice, is their another site??

www.nzsbk.com mate. I'm watching the results right now, should be all good.

[White trash]

Jesus! Just noticed I'd missed the Superbike 2nd pratice.

Superbike Practice2.Top 6 Bugden 1.03.974 Craig Shirriffs 1.04.245 , Stauffer 1.04.412 , Stroud , Ross , Cole ,

Fuck those Ausies are tough!

[lukemillar]

Can you please post link as I only get site off line notice, is their another site??

If it is still buggered, try this:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nzsbklive#utm_campaigne=synclickback&source=http://nzsbklive.blogspot.com/p/round-1-live.html&medium=6454423

[Tony.OK]

Jesus! Just noticed I'd missed the Superbike 2nd pratice.

Superbike Practice2.Top 6 Bugden 1.03.974 Craig Shirriffs 1.04.245 , Stauffer 1.04.412 , Stroud , Ross , Cole ,

Fuck those Ausies are tough!

Bugden on pole for tomorrow.......big ups to that man with a recent broken leg.
Stauffer 2nd

Bloody Aussies tryin to set the standard are they?

[onearmedbandit]

What time does the racing start tomorrow? Hoping to ride down to check it all out.

[crazy man]

jason e and scott m first = glen w third and terry f crashed out

[Shaun]

jason e and scott m first = glen w third and terry f crashed out


How about Johny Long taking his Pro Twin 650 to a fight with Terry And Glen on the F3 Hot Rods, Johny is a star

[Shaun]

word has it from fridays practice at Levels Dan Stauffer was about a second quicker than Stroud and Shirriffs. First time he's seen the track too.
Should be a good weekend I'm picking for Superbikes



FACT has it also, that Dan Stauffer is still using his standard suspension modified by Dukic Performance, the same suspension he WON at Wanganui with:cool:

Go Dukic Performance, made in New Zealand

[Cleve]

If you use Twitter. There is this http://twitter.com/#!/NZSBK2011 to use to follow the latest.

[Tony.OK]

Stroud takes 1st in race 1 :2thumbsup

Stauffer 2nd

Bugden 3rd

[wharfy]

Stroud takes 1st in race 1 :2thumbsup

Stauffer 2nd

Bugden 3rd

Go Stroudy !!!:scooter:
You can't teach an old dog new tricks....
.... but if the old dogs already knows all the tricks does it matter ?

[Shaun]

Stroud takes 1st in race 1 :2thumbsup

Stauffer 2nd

Bugden 3rd




Proves just how GOOD Dukic Performance modified Standard suspension can be, well done.

[Ronin]

Proves just how GOOD Dukic Performance modified Standard suspension can be, well done.

Now where is the "Report as spam" button?

Pity we don't have a video feed. Sounds like great racing.

[Tony.OK]

Proves just how GOOD Dukic Performance modified Standard suspension can be, well done.

Just not quite as good as Ohlins :bleh::msn-wink::jerry:

Sorry Shaun just couldn't resist........mighty impressive :cool:

Not too worried what susp ppl are using as long as the racing is good, sounds like a stunner of a weekend of racing................lucky there are heaps of shit programs on telly instead of great racing :weep:

[crazy man]

mylap times has the racing on now

[suzuki21]

Just not quite as good as Ohlins :bleh::msn-wink::jerry:

Sorry Shaun just couldn't resist........mighty impressive :cool:

Not too worried what susp ppl are using as long as the racing is good, sounds like a stunner of a weekend of racing................lucky there are heaps of shit programs on telly instead of great racing :weep:

Ohlins is a very good product, but Dan is so happy with what he has got he dosnt want anything changed. He was riding an Aprillia RSV4 which I know that other racers have said they are a beautifull handling bike, so if he is happy that says something. I think Kerry is onto something with the stock stuff.

[Sensei]

Shaun you of all people should know if you have skills you can ride around afair amount of poor setup .... Fuck us older riders didn't worry or know about the TOP gear that is avaliable now adays when we where out on the roads thrashing the shit out of the bikes of the day . Kerry is clearly doing a good job of sorting out the stock gear to a level that is more than enough to satisfy the excellent skills of these riders that are using his setup , so to get the bike in the top 3 is just the icing on the cake !

[Wingnut]

How about Johny Long taking his Pro Twin 650 to a fight with Terry And Glen on the F3 Hot Rods, Johny is a star

Very true Shaun. His performance in the first race on sunday was outstanding. That standard 650 has some tow on the straight - he was getting excellent drive exiting Castrol. He is one to watch for the future.

[oyster]

Phillip Mair was outstanding in Streetstock, Seth Devereux was outstanding in Prolite 250, Johnny Small in Pro Twin, Scott Kinder in F3, Jake Lewis in 125GP, Alistair Hoogenboezem in 600 Super, Eric Oliver-Maxwell in 600 Stock And about 30 other teenagers put in stunning rides.
What do they all have in common? They're all recent graduates of Canterbury's Streetstock Junior development. Imagine the shape of our sport, now and in the next 10 years if the other districts around new Zealand got off their butts and applied the first page of the rulebook
Quote " Fostering the sport....."

Can someone explain why it's NOT happening outside Canterbury?

[gammaguy]

Phillip Mair was outstanding in Streetstock, Seth Devereux was outstanding in Prolite 250, Johnny Small in Pro Twin, Scott Kinder in F3, Jake Lewis in 125GP, Alistair Hoogenboezem in 600 Super, Eric Oliver-Maxwell in 600 Stock And about 30 other teenagers put in stunning rides.
What do they all have in common? They're all recent graduates of Canterbury's Streetstock Junior development. Imagine the shape of our sport, now and in the next 10 years if the other districts around new Zealand got off their butts and applied the first page of the rulebook
Quote " Fostering the sport....."

Can someone explain why it's NOT happening outside Canterbury?

mate,thats a bloody good question.....

[Robert Taylor]

Very true Shaun. His performance in the first race on sunday was outstanding. That standard 650 has some tow on the straight - he was getting excellent drive exiting Castrol. He is one to watch for the future.

Couldnt resist it....shock built and valved by CKT.

As were the top 4 Superstock 600 bikes, oops I used some dirty filthy non NZ made parts inside them! I think the parts were made somewhere in Scandinavia. Please excuse my cynicism!

I am NOT responsible for the taglines to this thread

[Robert Taylor]

Ohlins is a very good product, but Dan is so happy with what he has got he dosnt want anything changed. He was riding an Aprillia RSV4 which I know that other racers have said they are a beautifull handling bike, so if he is happy that says something. I think Kerry is onto something with the stock stuff.

So why wasnt the Canadian guy fast on the same stuff? I think its got a lot more to do with the brilliance and total lack of fear of the rider.
There is hardly strength in numbers to confirm, more like a few horror stories and one very visible one. Ask people who were there.
If Dan wins one or two good on him but its clear he is very much on the edge and has a high chance of hurting himself. I think that is fair and reasoned observation.

[Nonbeliever]

Stauffer was running a modded stock rear shock?

[Nonbeliever]

Shaun you of all people should know if you have skills you can ride around afair amount of poor setup ...

are you suggesting Stauffer could keep up with stroud and bugden on a poorly setup bike, on a track he hasnt seen before?

He's a very good rider obviously, but c'mon

[SWERVE]

It was clear watching superbikes at Levels that D Stauffer was on the edge and clearly not as well set up as the other lead bikes.
however it is amazing how close "modified stock" stuff can get to the "real Mccoy" with a rider with talant and ability to ride so close to the edge.
Give credit where credit is due........... to rider & susp person.

It is only one track so far........... lets see how much a part talent can play at Teretonga where set up is "different"
Personally think that if Mr Stauffer was to "defect" to the superior suspension opposition this championship may suddenly become very predictable.
As you were gentlemen:shutup:

[Drew]

Proves just how GOOD Dukic Performance modified Standard suspension can be, well done.Yeah, bet Nick Cole was fuckin stoked with it.

What's with the sudden bum tounging Shaun? Kerry knows his shit for sure, and is a genuinely nice fella (once story time is over). But I'm sure you used to tune suspension too, with Traxxion gear if memory serves. Are you subbing that side of things out now?

[suzuki21]

So why wasnt the Canadian guy fast on the same stuff? I think its got a lot more to do with the brilliance and total lack of fear of the rider.
There is hardly strength in numbers to confirm, more like a few horror stories and one very visible one. Ask people who were there.
If Dan wins one or two good on him but its clear he is very much on the edge and has a high chance of hurting himself. I think that is fair and reasoned observation.

Andrew wasnt as fast because................ he wasnt fast. Brian lapped Manfield 1.5secs quicker on same day and same bike. I agree Dan is loose and gives people heart attacks, but maybe thats why he wins so much elsewhere? The same can be said about Craig being on the edge and maybe hurting himself except he actually crashes.

[gixerracer]

Andrew wasnt as fast because................ he wasnt fast. Brian lapped Manfield 1.5secs quicker on same day and same bike. I agree Dan is loose and gives people heart attacks, but maybe thats why he wins so much elsewhere? The same can be said about Craig being on the edge and maybe hurting himself except he actually crashes.

Haha only pussies ride on the edge I like to go over the edge.
Maybe if kerry done my suspension I would stay on the bike more?:shit::gob:

[jellywrestler]

So why wasnt the Canadian guy fast on the same stuff? I think its got a lot more to do with the brilliance and total lack of fear of the rider.
There is hardly strength in numbers to confirm, more like a few horror stories and one very visible one. Ask people who were there.
If Dan wins one or two good on him but its clear he is very much on the edge and has a high chance of hurting himself. I think that is fair and reasoned observation.
That Canadian guy, Andrew Nelson, thought he'd won before he got here and never really got going in my mind. (did well at Wanganui as a newcomer albeit)
Horror stories you mention, I saw Dan lose a couple of times; did you see the one on the front straight? Stoud was in front and had a moment himself, Stauffers lucky that he avoided him and in doing so his front end tucked in a little and brought on his own dramas, while he was the one that got all the 'press' it didn't start by his actions.
Also what was the go with Bugdens back end coming on to the back straight, losing all that drive, in particular, and Stroud could see on the road his tyre was had it too.
Wasn't he on fancy suspension?
Give Stauffer his dues, he's spent many years on Ohlins and is happy with the modified stock set up on the R1 as it is...

[Robert Taylor]

That Canadian guy, Andrew Nelson, thought he'd won before he got here and never really got going in my mind. (did well at Wanganui as a newcomer albeit)
Horror stories you mention, I saw Dan lose a couple of times; did you see the one on the front straight? Stoud was in front and had a moment himself, Stauffers lucky that he avoided him and in doing so his front end tucked in a little and brought on his own dramas, while he was the one that got all the 'press' it didn't start by his actions.
Also what was the go with Bugdens back end coming on to the back straight, losing all that drive, in particular, and Stroud could see on the road his tyre was had it too.
Wasn't he on fancy suspension?
Give Stauffer his dues, he's spent many years on Ohlins and is happy with the modified stock set up on the R1 as it is...

Simple, they only had Dunlop compounds for much warmer conditions and the Dunlops are very fickle and a lot less forgiving than Pirellis if the compounds are not right for the conditions. Irrespective of suspension. Nick Cole would concur with that as would other Dunlop users. By and large the bikes that worked the best and consistently on that day were on Pirellis and that was true of the 600 Supersport and Superstock. I personally dont believe Dunlop have any advantage any more, but having said that If Robbie had suitable compounds on that day it may well have been 2 emphatic wins for him. He had more ultimate race pace than anyone in spite of the ''incorrect'' tyres. His pace lessened approx 10 laps in as he felt the effects on his beaten up body but also as his tyres started to go off.
I also believe Dan would be faster with well sorted top shelf aftermarket suspension, beit Ohlins, Penske, WP or K-Tech.
When on Sunday morning it was increasingly apparent that the day was not going to be so warm and I thought ''this is going to be a Pirelli day''. I went and told Andrew that he was going to win both races, and if you ask him he will concur.
As so often happens in racing you can go from hero to zero in half a day or less. If Dan wins some races then congratulations to him in advance, I give him his due with 100% conviction, on his sheer ability.
If the modified stock stuff is ''perfectly good'' then why doesnt the assembler contact the likes of Jorge Lorenzo to tell him the error of his ways?

[jellywrestler]

If Robbie had suitable compounds on that day it may well have been 2 emphatic wins for him.
So you're telling that Bugden, 3 times NZ SUPERBIKE CHAMPION doesn't have the experience to have suitable tyres on hand????

[jellywrestler]

If the modified stock stuff is ''perfectly good'' then why doesnt the assembler contact the likes of Jorge Lorenzo to tell him the error of his ways?
I don't recall saying "perfectly good" simply said he was happy with it.

[jellywrestler]

His pace lessened approx 10 laps in as he felt the effects on his beaten up body Kudos to him for riding so hard after breaking his leg only weeks ago, must have been sore not as sore as I was once. I was circumsised at birth and couldn't walk for 13 months!

[k14]

So you're telling that Bugden, 3 times NZ SUPERBIKE CHAMPION doesn't have the experience to have suitable tyres on hand????
I'm not 100% sure but I think it is to do with what tyres dunlop had in stock.

[Nonbeliever]

If the modified stock stuff is ''perfectly good'' then why doesnt the assembler contact the likes of Jorge Lorenzo to tell him the error of his ways?

You're obviously a very knowledgeable guy on suspension Robert, but that comment is ridiculous.

[Robert Taylor]

You're obviously a very knowledgeable guy on suspension Robert, but that comment is ridiculous.

It highlights a ridiculous level of belief, yes.

[Robert Taylor]

So you're telling that Bugden, 3 times NZ SUPERBIKE CHAMPION doesn't have the experience to have suitable tyres on hand????

See K14s comments, pretty accurate.

[Robert Taylor]

Kudos to him for riding so hard after breaking his leg only weeks ago, must have been sore not as sore as I was once. I was circumsised at birth and couldn't walk for 13 months!

So youve got a huge ''third leg'' like me!

[Shaun]

Yeah, bet Nick Cole was fuckin stoked with it.

What's with the sudden bum tounging Shaun? Kerry knows his shit for sure, and is a genuinely nice fella (once story time is over). But I'm sure you used to tune suspension too, with Traxxion gear if memory serves. Are you subbing that side of things out now?


Sudden Bumb tounging is work related man. I choise to promote Dukic Performance product, as I like Kerry and his idea,s ( A lot of them come from stuff he has tested on the roads himself, as he rides very regually and fast as you know) and his std modified suspension works very well.

[jellywrestler]

See K14s comments, pretty accurate.

I still find it amazing that company like Dunlop in the whole of australasia don't have this compound, or a team as dedicated and as experienced as RRR couldn't get them.
We're not talking a run of meetings that have gobbled up all of the supply, it's the first round.
But hey it's nice to know the inside line on what's going on.
Have a good weekend down south and don't spend too long on the Karaoke in Gore, you can catch things nasty there. In Fact in Gore they think the song by The Kings of Leon 'Sex is on Fire' is all about Chlamydia!

[Crasherfromwayback]

If the modified stock stuff is ''perfectly good'' then why doesnt the assembler contact the likes of Jorge Lorenzo to tell him the error of his ways?

Ummmm...because riding round in a lil paddock in Timaru on slightly modified proddy bikes is a far cry from racing at the higest level in the world on Moto GP bikes.

[sidecar bob]

Attn Mod's Could you please rename this thread "The Annual Suspension Argument"

[onearmedbandit]

Annual? Monthly would be more accurate.

[sugilite]

Personally think that if Mr Stauffer was to "defect" to the superior suspension opposition this championship may suddenly become very predictable.
As you were gentlemen:shutup:
100% agree with that, FFS, keep him on the modidied street suspension!


Yeah, bet Nick Cole was fuckin stoked with it.

What's with the sudden bum tounging Shaun? Kerry knows his shit for sure, and is a genuinely nice fella (once story time is over). But I'm sure you used to tune suspension too, with Traxxion gear if memory serves. Are you subbing that side of things out now?
No different from being a rider and changing sponsors really, from memory I've seen him plugging contis, then pirelli and I'm not sure what the current flavour is, but rest assured they are always the very best available in his universe :lol: I cannot help but feel it is a big step down from pushing the worlds best suspension to modified street stuff. I reckon there is a market for modified street stuff on street bikes, and club race level race bikes. I find it a bit of a stretch believing a top rider thumbed his nose at Ohlins for modified standard shocks though. That statement may yet have to much rebound and fall apart under compression :corn:


I still find it amazing that company like Dunlop in the whole of australasia don't have this compound, or a team as dedicated and as experienced as RRR couldn't get them.
We're not talking a run of meetings that have gobbled up all of the supply, it's the first round.
But hey it's nice to know the inside line on what's going on.

Sourcing tyres for a superbike campaign in this country has always been the single biggest stress in organizing it all, and a few of the distributer lie like hyenas on whats available and especially on whats "just about to arrive in a container". Back last century, I had fellow riders calling me a pillock for ordering my tyres from the States after not buying the bullshit from the distributors, sure I paid a bit more, but at least I had them, as I got to point out to said riders as they later came cap in hand asking to buy some of my supply!

[CHOPPA]

I still find it amazing that company like Dunlop in the whole of australasia don't have this compound, or a team as dedicated and as experienced as RRR couldn't get them.
We're not talking a run of meetings that have gobbled up all of the supply, it's the first round.
But hey it's nice to know the inside line on what's going on.
Have a good weekend down south and don't spend too long on the Karaoke in Gore, you can catch things nasty there. In Fact in Gore they think the song by The Kings of Leon 'Sex is on Fire' is all about Chlamydia!

You would think so!!! No tyres last year for me untill rounds 4 and 5. No wet tyres all winter... No front slicks until round 2 of the Tri Series. Only enough tyres to get through round 1 until more turned up this week. A choice of compound would be a bit much to ask haha

For the record its not the fault of the supplier just a worldwide shortage

[suzuki21]

I find it a bit of a stretch believing a top rider thumbed his nose at Ohlins for modified standard shocks though.

Why not ask him, he has used both.

[sugilite]

Why not ask him, he has used both.
I've not got his phone number. So your telling me he tried an ohlins, and a modified road shock back to back and he said "Give me the modified street shock"? :shit:

[k14]

You would think so!!! No tyres last year for me untill rounds 4 and 5. No wet tyres all winter... No front slicks until round 2 of the Tri Series. Only enough tyres to get through round 1 until more turned up this week. A choice of compound would be a bit much to ask haha

For the record its not the fault of the supplier just a worldwide shortage
Well I hope you've managed to get your wets for this weekend!

[Nonbeliever]

Someone get Stauffer on here please??

[Drew]

Sudden Bumb tounging is work related man. I choise to promote Dukic Performance product, as I like Kerry and his idea,s ( A lot of them come from stuff he has tested on the roads himself, as he rides very regually and fast as you know) and his std modified suspension works very well.

Kerry's ten runs a TTX36 rear shock mate:yes:

[Kickaha]

Kerry's ten runs a TTX36 rear shock mate:yes:

What? modified stock stuff not good enough for him?

[Robert Taylor]

What? modified stock stuff not good enough for him?

I thought he had a Penske?

[merv]

Here's Daniel's Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1191232661&sk=wall if you want to send him a message.

[White trash]

I thought he had a Penske?

I thought he had an F-14?

[suzuki21]

I've not got his phone number. So your telling me he tried an ohlins, and a modified road shock back to back and he said "Give me the modified street shock"? :shit:

He has run better suspension gear than we could probably just dream off. He ran Ohlins in Ozzy on a Yammy and was happy with that, and is happy with what he has got with our tracks, and cant see how it can be improved much. He has top shelf suspension available but as I said before he is happy. Does that make him a bad person?

[sugilite]

He has run better suspension gear than we could probably just dream off. He ran Ohlins in Ozzy on a Yammy and was happy with that, and is happy with what he has got with our tracks, and cant see how it can be improved much. He has top shelf suspension available but as I said before he is happy. Does that make him a bad person?
No, I'd not suggest he is a bad person at all!

In response to Merv's post.
Very tempted to post this on his facebook page...
Dear Daniel, please keep that shock in your bike as I'm in awe of how you learn our tracks in 5 minutes flat and I would really like to see the title go to a NZ rider!

[Drew]

What? modified stock stuff not good enough for him?You can ask him at Ruapuna, I'll bring him over to talk to ya.


I thought he had a Penske?Confident it's a gold Swedish item bro.

[Kickaha]

You can ask him at Ruapuna, I'll bring him over to talk to ya.

He can give me some pointers at staying on a sidecar

[suzuki21]

No, I'd not suggest he is a bad person at all!

In response to Merv's post.
Very tempted to post this on his facebook page...
Dear Daniel, please keep that shock in your bike as I'm in awe of how you learn our tracks in 5 minutes flat and I would really like to see the title go to a NZ rider!

You obviously didnt read the rest of the thread. He dosnt think he would go faster on our tracks with top $ equipment, and dude - Andrew and Robbie are riding good too so you cant assume Dan would win just because he had an Ohlins.

[sugilite]

You obviously didnt read the rest of the thread. He dosnt think he would go faster on our tracks with top $ equipment, and dude - Andrew and Robbie are riding good too so you cant assume Dan would win just because he had an Ohlins.
OK, I'll make an amendment on my "oh so serious" post. Also Daniel, please talk your fellow Aussie racers into running modified standard shocks too :sunny:

[Pussy]

I thought he had an F-14?

Shit you're dumb sometimes.
It's an F-4 that he's got... unless he's upgraded since the last time he was spouting bullshit to me.

[Robert Taylor]

You can ask him at Ruapuna, I'll bring him over to talk to ya.

Confident it's a gold Swedish item bro.

Whatevers in it he needs to find someone who is motivated to tune it all properly. Nicks a lovable rogue and I felt very sorry for him at Timaru, especially as the events that transpired were in full view

[Robert Taylor]

You obviously didnt read the rest of the thread. He dosnt think he would go faster on our tracks with top $ equipment, and dude - Andrew and Robbie are riding good too so you cant assume Dan would win just because he had an Ohlins.

Or Penske, K-Tech, WP or Race Tech. Please keep this thread pc Steve.

[White trash]

Whatevers in it he needs to find someone who is motivated to tune it all properly. Nicks a lovable rogue and I felt very sorry for him at Timaru, especially as the events that transpired were in full view

Nah mate, you and Drew are confused. Kerry has a TTX in the rear of his own ZX10.

But yeah, Nick is a thoroughly likeable chap and deserves better results given the hard work he's putting in.

[Nonbeliever]

Nicks a lovable rogue and I felt very sorry for him at Timaru, especially as the events that transpired were in full view

can you elaborate please Robert for the people not there??

thankyou

[brads]

All the best to everyone at Round 2

[Drew]

Nah mate, you and Drew are confused. Kerry has a TTX in the rear of his own ZX10.I quite clearly said Kerry's bike has a TTX fuck stick


But yeah, Nick is a thoroughly likeable chap and deserves better results given the hard work he's putting in.Don't think the organisers at Levels would agree with you saying he's a good cunt. Bwahahahahaha

[Weaver]

Don't think the organisers at Levels would agree with you saying he's a good cunt. Bwahahahahaha

It was quite amusing how that MNZ stuart seemed to take the genuine safety concerns personally. Piss poor attitude on his behalf in my opinion.

[CHOPPA]

It was quite amusing how that MNZ stuart seemed to take the genuine safety concerns personally. Piss poor attitude on his behalf in my opinion.

Actually had a chat to him today he is pretty good actually. I think the way he handled it seemed wrong but there had been a lot of work done behind the scenes on that issue. He has been very helpful today

[slowpoke]

.... I personally dont believe Dunlop have any advantage any more, but having said that If Robbie had suitable compounds on that day it may well have been 2 emphatic wins for him. He had more ultimate race pace than anyone in spite of the ''incorrect'' tyres. His pace lessened approx 10 laps in as he felt the effects on his beaten up body but also as his tyres started to go off.


Dunno 'bout Robbie having 2 emphatic wins.

For all Stroudy's laid back demeanour he's a smart cookie who spends all his time getting the bike set up on worn tyres. He knows that pole and or/fastest lap of the race doesn't mean anything, he's wants to be the fastest bloke on track in the last 5 laps. He only throws on new rubber for qualifying, gets it somewhere near the front and knows he'll be hard to beat as the laps wind down.

With 8 Superbike titles it's a strategy that's hard to find fault with.

[White trash]

Bet Craig's stoked with 7th on the grid.

[brads]

Actually had a chat to him today he is pretty good actually. I think the way he handled it seemed wrong but there had been a lot of work done behind the scenes on that issue. He has been very helpful today

Good on ya Choppa, Mr ? (for those that werent there and did not see it but still think they know more than the steward) has been around this game longer than alot of us put together,a bloody good bloke who has given me so much advice and help over the years as well as others,as for your remark WEAVER about his safety concerns,shut the fuck up unless you know what ya talkin about.
Any who all the best Choppa.

[suzuki21]

Bet Craig's stoked with 7th on the grid.

haha, its safer for the others if he crashes back there and not at the front.

[Wingnut]

Good on ya Choppa, Mr ? (for those that werent there and did not see it but still think they know more than the steward) has been around this game longer than alot of us put together,a bloody good bloke who has given me so much advice and help over the years as well as others,as for your remark WEAVER about his safety concerns,shut the fuck up unless you know what ya talkin about.
Any who all the best Choppa.

Geeezzzz - I didn't know you "Motard Folk" were so sensitive....:shutup:

[White trash]

Anything to do with suspension that isnt done by you is not worthy as you are the only person in New Zealand that knows about it, I assume that is why you attack anything any other person does on suspension components. Kerry obviously dosnt know shit about suspension and that is why Nicks bike handled crap at Timaru, it certainly cant have been because he had bent forks from crashing at Wanganui was it mr tosser woops taylor. Now you have less guinea pigs to experiment on you are a showing you are a little out of your depth.

Why was he trying to race wirh bent forks?

[Kickaha]

Why was he trying to race wirh bent forks?

Maybe his suspension guy wasn't good enough to pick that up?

[Drew]

Anything to do with suspension that isnt done by you is not worthy as you are the only person in New Zealand that knows about it, I assume that is why you attack anything any other person does on suspension components. Kerry obviously dosnt know shit about suspension and that is why Nicks bike handled crap at Timaru, it certainly cant have been because he had bent forks from crashing at Wanganui was it mr tosser woops taylor. Now you have less guinea pigs to experiment on you are a showing you are a little out of your depth.
Robert has always said that so long as suspension was being upgraded properly by someone who knows what they are doing, that it was for the safety and better of the sport.

He was also the guy who gave Kerry his open door to the racers themselves, I don't know the particulars of why that venture went tits up, and frankly don't fuckin care.

Robert does not attack anyone, he is only putting across a different point of view to some. What's funny is that he does it in an articulate manner and tries to make himself clear, rather than shoot off half cocked like most on here, (me included).

I reckon you're out of line with what you're saying, difference is I've got the balls to say it using my real name, and if you're man enough to want to talk about this in person I'll be at Ruapuna, Hampton and Manfield racing sidecar #131. Come see me and I'm happy to put you straight on a few things.

Drew Mair, #131

[Nonbeliever]

Safety ?? lol

[crazy man]

It highlights a ridiculous level of belief, yes.if the japs built there own suspension for the moto gp they would be every bit as good as ohlins! l would say they get payed so much money by ohlins and everything for free who would not take up the offer!

[Drew]

Safety ?? lol

At least your pseudonym is apt!

Ever punted a thou for fifteen laps on a stock shock? You're times have to drop or you run out of traction real quick. OK, it'd be the same for everyone if they weren't allowed suspension upgrades, but an after market shock is cheaper than new OEM ones and is easier to have altered to your style of riding, and far more consistent in how it behaves given it's better construction.

After market suspension comes with FREE after sale service from Robert to get it right for you, I don't recall anyone ever saying they'd come revalve the shock on any standard bike sold.

This all adds up to safer in my opinion.

Don't get me wrong, when I first went racing I questioned Robert repeatedly on why it was required to upgrade suspension. Made a right cock of myself saying that most riders need to harden the fuck up and ride around shit. But being a patient and understanding guy that he is, when I came to my senses and started needing help, (BEFORE I'd even bought his product) he was there helping out, making changes, explaining what and why he was doing shit, and generally being the most helpfull guy at the track bar NONE.

I am now proud to call Robert a friend, and as always I am totally outclassed by the type of people I surround myself with.

[Kickaha]

as always I am totally outclassed by the type of people I surround myself with.

That's been pretty fucking obvious since the day i met you

[White trash]

That's been pretty fucking obvious since the day i met you

He should have put an "except Kikckaha and Divvo" disclaimer in there......

[Drew]

if the japs built there own suspension for the moto gp they would be every bit as good as ohlins! l would say they get payed so much money by ohlins and everything for free who would not take up the offer!

No doubt they could be as good, and they would be cheaper due to labour cost. But the only time I am aware a Japanese manufacturer were producing anything as good as Ohlins, was when Yamaha had a controlling interest...in Ohlins.

There must be something to that, a reason that the most enterprising country on the planet in respect to motor vehicles, is in fact not producing high end suspension for bikes on a scale that compares to that of the Swedes.

[Nonbeliever]

At least your pseudonym is apt!

Ever punted a thou for fifteen laps on a stock shock? .

well, yes I have actually.

[Cleve]

No doubt they could be as good, and they would be cheaper due to labour cost. But the only time I am aware a Japanese manufacturer were producing anything as good as Ohlins, was when Yamaha had a controlling interest...in Ohlins.

There must be something to that, a reason that the most enterprising country on the planet in respect to motor vehicles, is in fact not producing high end suspension for bikes on a scale that compares to that of the Swedes.

There is Showa of course but I think you have to be HRC to get any of their good parts...

[Drew]

well, yes I have actually.If you didn't notice you had to go slower toward the end, more so than the guys on good gear, you weren't punting enough, or they weren't

Decent suspension pays for itself for anyone not replacing tyres until they're buggered in very little time at all.

And as for the top guys who do replace tyres every session, it pays for itself in lap times over the second half of every race.

Anyhoo, I think my point is made. I'll await the opportunity to next say the same stuff repeatedly since it's the only way to be understood around here.

[Nonbeliever]

This all adds up to safer in my opinion.



if it was a genuine safety issue then no one would be allowed on the track without aftermarket gear.
Someone turning up without a helemt on?? yes a safety issue

[Drew]

if it was a genuine safety issue then no one would be allowed on the track without aftermarket gear.
Someone turning up without a helemt on?? yes a safety issue

Ok, I'll rephrase. There is a risk in motorcycle racing, and I am 100% pro choice as to everyone calculating their own.

Anyone who wants to drop their lap times can do it however they want, but four grand on shocks is a safer way to do that FOR ANYONE, than the same coin in Yoshi engine upgrades on a gixxer.

[Crasherfromwayback]

There is Showa of course but I think you have to be HRC to get any of their good parts...

Plus you'll probably find some of the factory Kayaba stuff would no doubt be bloody good.

[Wingnut]

Jesus - Enough about fucking suspension!

There are a million different variables that can affect it - and a million different opinions to boot! There is no clear cut 100% perfect option...

Anyway, back to the Nats................... Must be a bit wet and windy at Terry Tonga........

[Weaver]

Good on ya Choppa, Mr ? (for those that werent there and did not see it but still think they know more than the steward) has been around this game longer than alot of us put together,a bloody good bloke who has given me so much advice and help over the years as well as others,as for your remark WEAVER about his safety concerns,shut the fuck up unless you know what ya talkin about.
Any who all the best Choppa.


I'm not saying he's a not a top bloke. I don't know him personally to say either way. But that morning when Nick metioned several safety concerns he had with the track the stewart didn't want to hear it.

[Kickaha]

There are a million different variables that can affect it - and a million different opinions to boot! There is no clear cut 100% perfect option...

Yes there is, it's spelled O H L I N S


Anyway, back to the Nats................... Must be a bit wet and windy at Terry Tonga........

Which would be very unusual for down there

[Drew]

Jesus - Enough about fucking suspension!

There are a million different variables that can affect it - and a million different opinions to boot! There is no clear cut 100% perfect option...

Anyway, back to the Nats................... Must be a bit wet and windy at Terry Tonga........

I'll shut up in defence of Robert, it's gone too far.


As the thread started it should continue. Hope those that ran today had a great day, and those who didn't aren't spendin months in traction!

Good luck to all those running next week, (me and Whitetrash in particular).

And Craig, pull ya fuckin finger out! I got money ridin on you homo.

[sugilite]

if the japs built there own suspension for the moto gp they would be every bit as good as ohlins! l would say they get payed so much money by ohlins and everything for free who would not take up the offer!
Moto GP teams pay for their ohlins.

[Shaun]

Why was he trying to race wirh bent forks?



Perhaps the person that checked them after the Wanganui crash missed the fact that they were actually bent slightly, and that person was NOT K!

[sugilite]

A huge congrats to Choppa for winning the superjetski race! Obviously the hard work riding and setting the bike up in the winter series would of helped there. Good preparation and skills that man!

[crazy man]

Moto GP teams pay for their ohlins.link please

[White trash]

To be honest the politics of what's going on behind the scenes and with different suspension tuners make the racing far more interesting to me, so let the debate continue I reckon.

Massive congratulations to Sloan for his very first national points race win, he wroked hard over the winter in crap conditions for a result in trying conditions and it's paid off.

Feel really bad for Staufer tossing it away with such a healthy lead, possibly done his championship a bit of damage there. Poor bugger, I hope the bike's not too bad and Brian's team can have him back challenging this weekend.

And of course Craig deciding that discretion was the better part of valur. Smart decision but it'll hurt his campaign.

[sidecar bob]

To be honest the politics of what's going on behind the scenes and with different suspension tuners make the racing far more interesting to me, so let the debate continue I reckon.


A debate is fine, its when it turns into a massdebate that it becomes a little trying.

[Nonbeliever]

A debate is fine, its when it turns into a massdebate that it becomes a little trying.

don't worry about it sideshow bob, it's a perfectly natural thing to do.

[Nonbeliever]

Perhaps the person that checked them after the Wanganui crash missed the fact that they were actually bent slightly, and that person was NOT K!

sounds like you know more than you're letting on Shaun

[sugilite]

link please
It's not important enough for me to take the time to search for it, i think it may have been on soup, just remember reading the motogp teams pay a contract to ohlins for the suspension and support technicians

[Crasherfromwayback]

It's not important enough for me to take the time to search for it, i think it may have been on soup, just remember reading the motogp teams pay a contract to ohlins for the suspension and support technicians

I've no doubt they do. Apart from their partners Honda/Repsol etc...I'm sure they pay for everything except the Bridgestones. Honda may not have paid Showa of course...

[Shaun]

sounds like you know more than you're letting on Shaun



No mate, I just know that Kerry is NOT the mechanic of the bike, so he would have not been the person who checked the bike out after the Wanganui crash, whick did badly damage a frame

[crazy man]

It's not important enough for me to take the time to search for it, i think it may have been on soup, just remember reading the motogp teams pay a contract to ohlins for the suspension and support technicianshaving ohlins in the moto gp teams sells alot of shocks a very dam lot of shocks. if ohlins said to rossi ... any monkey could win with are shocks what do you think could of happen at the time?dont think ohlins would be that silly to say that lol

[Robert Taylor]

if the japs built there own suspension for the moto gp they would be every bit as good as ohlins! l would say they get payed so much money by ohlins and everything for free who would not take up the offer!

Your surmisal is as far from reality as it could be.. ALL of the MotoGP, WSBK teams etc PAY for the Ohlins suspension they are running, the very top teams have assigned Ohlins technicians and the contract fee for their services is not insubstanial. Ohlins run it as a business and so they should, as did WP when they had a presence in WSBK. As did Showa. You do not see bold Ohlins badging etc on fairings as they do not sponsor anyone, they are a major component supplier as are companies such as Brembo etc etc. Teams pay for the product and the price is the price, they can choose to go anywhere else that they please, certainly to any company offering such a service and the reality is they are somewhat thin on the ground in this broken world!
HRC were hounding Ohlins for a good number of years to be able to run their product but when Yamaha Motor Co were the majority owners of Ohlins they always vetoed it. KYB had a presence a few years back with Kevin Schwantz etc but currently they have completely pulled out of international road racing.
I may be qualified to comment on this as I normally travel up to the factory in Sweden once yearly and often talk to the race department.

[Robert Taylor]

can you elaborate please Robert for the people not there??

thankyou

Major front end issues that also continued at Teretonga.

[sugilite]

having ohlins in the moto gp teams sells alot of shocks a very dam lot of shocks. if ohlins said to rossi ... any monkey could win with are shocks what do you think could of happen at the time?dont think ohlins would be that silly to say that lol

Here is that link (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/133876-2011-NZ-Champs?p=1129980201#post1129980201) you were after....:devil2:

[Robert Taylor]

having ohlins in the moto gp teams sells alot of shocks a very dam lot of shocks. if ohlins said to rossi ... any monkey could win with are shocks what do you think could of happen at the time?dont think ohlins would be that silly to say that lol

Sometimes its actually an impediment to sales as many people mistakenly think that Ohlins is only about racing shocks. When in fact they build a good number of shock listings that deliver much improved ride quality on ordinary everyday roads.

As an aside and in deference to Suzuki 21s ( Steve Sangsters ) charges I have an excellent working and business relationship with pretty much all of the main suspension tuners in this country, which scales much much more than road racing. As with any businessmen if trust is belied or standard trading terms are not respected then the connection is severed. Thats fair and reasonable for any business.

[Shaun]

Major front end issues that also continued at Teretonga.



Perhaps the suspension tuner adjusted his Re Bound in the complete opposite direction to what was asked for eh? I have seen this happen before:yes:

[suzuki21]

Perhaps the suspension tuner adjusted his Re Bound in the complete opposite direction to what was asked for eh? I have seen this happen before:yes:

Or in an "empty" pit adjusted front preload while thinking no one was in the truck watching, or in an "empty" pit being caught cranking up a steering dampener because supposedly the rider (who likes it loose) cant ride with only 3 clicks off minimum. Better watch oput for empty pit's, you never know who might be hiding/watching.

[Shaun]

Or in an "empty" pit adjusted front preload while thinking no one was in the truck watching, or in an "empty" pit being caught cranking up a steering dampener because supposedly the rider (who likes it loose) cant ride with only 3 clicks off minimum. Better watch oput for empty pit's, you never know who might be hiding/watching.


HEARD THE SAME STORIES SOME WHERE JUST RECENTLY, NT NAMING ANY ONE OF COURSE, AS i WAS NOT THERE

[Robert Taylor]

Or in an "empty" pit adjusted front preload while thinking no one was in the truck watching, or in an "empty" pit being caught cranking up a steering dampener because supposedly the rider (who likes it loose) cant ride with only 3 clicks off minimum. Better watch oput for empty pit's, you never know who might be hiding/watching.

Pray tell..............

[CHOPPA]

Or in an "empty" pit adjusted front preload while thinking no one was in the truck watching, or in an "empty" pit being caught cranking up a steering dampener because supposedly the rider (who likes it loose) cant ride with only 3 clicks off minimum. Better watch oput for empty pit's, you never know who might be hiding/watching.

I thought id got away with that!!

[Shaun]

I thought id got away with that!!



Hahahaha Sorry dude, ya BALD head gave ya away

[CHOPPA]

Hahahaha Sorry dude, ya BALD head gave ya away

hahaha your the second person to give me shit about that in as many minutes! I looked at propecia but they said a side effect was your cock stopped working! Ill stick with the bald hahahaha

[Shaun]

hahaha your the second person to give me shit about that in as many minutes! I looked at propecia but they said a side effect was your cock stopped working! Ill stick with the bald hahahaha



Makes you look smooth and serious dude

NO, Im not a FAG

[wharfy]

hahaha your the second person to give me shit about that in as many minutes! I looked at propecia but they said a side effect was your cock stopped working! Ill stick with the bald hahahaha

You need a T-shirt that says...

It's not a bald patch....
.......It's solar panel for a sex machine !

[Shaun]

You need a T-shirt that says...

It's not a bald patch....
.......It's solar panel for a sex machine !



YOU WIN THE PRIZE, Sloan owes you a beer mate

[brads]

Makes you look smooth and serious dude

NO, Im not a FAG

Yes you are

[Shaun]

Yes you are


Bugger, I was hopeing you would not admit you had sucked my sav

[suzuki21]

Pray tell..............

Your fucking joking aye, I thought only I took the piss. Gareth Jone's N.Z season 2006/2007

[Shaun]

Your fucking joking aye, I thought only I took the piss. Gareth Jone's N.Z season 2006/2007


Robert tells some brilliant jokes S21, I see people leaving the trailer pissing them selves often

[Drew]

Pray tell..............


Your fucking joking aye, I thought only I took the piss. Gareth Jone's N.Z season 2006/2007


Robert tells some brilliant jokes S21, I see people leaving the trailer pissing them selves often

Don't you homo's all live twenty minutes from each other? Would have thought you might talk face to face (or face to back in Shaun's case) more often than it appears.

[Shaun]

Don't you homo's all live twenty minutes from each other? Would have thought you might talk face to face (or face to back in Shaun's case) more often than it appears.



O bugger, I was hoping that by using my own name on here and my own face when in a face to face conversation, would keep me in disguise so know one knew it was me for real that say's what I say!

I must come up with a more cunning plan for that, can you please advise me Drew as to how to do this?

Thanks for your time, and enjoy the racing that you have kept alive by getting another chair out there

[Crasherfromwayback]

Bugger, I was hopeing you would not admit you had sucked my sav

The type of sausage you're meaning is surely 'cherio'?

[Shaun]

The type of sausage you're meaning is surely 'cherio'?



Diamonds come in small parcels dude











O and so does poison prick:sunny:

[Drew]

O bugger, I was hoping that by using my own name on here and my own face when in a face to face conversation, would keep me in disguise so know one knew it was me for real that say's what I say!

I must come up with a more cunning plan for that, can you please advise me Drew as to how to do this?

Thanks for your time, and enjoy the racing that you have kept alive by getting another chair out there

Don't think I was very clear. Was a joke about you liking boys bottoms.

Not everything I reply to you is mean and nasty ya know.

[Kickaha]

Not everything I reply to you is mean and nasty ya know.

It should be :bleh:

[Shaun]

Don't think I was very clear. Was a joke about you liking boys bottoms.

Not everything I reply to you is mean and nasty ya know.



That I understand Drew