Fastest 250?

[Avalon^]

Hey guys,

Just wanting to get your opinion on what's the fastest 250 made between say 1985 to 1995. My mate's got a Yamaha FZR-R 250 1989 and reckon's it's pretty good, what do u guys think?

Cheers,

Avalon^

[matthewt]

I've heard good things about the cbr250. Not riden one but plently of people like them. I think 250's are way overpriced, dealers bump the prices because the know unless you have a full license they are your best option. I was helping a friend look for a nice sports/touring bike and he ended up with a new rgv150 because he could sell it afterward rather than buy an overpriced 250 2nd hand. In some cases the 400cc bikes are cheaper or the same prices as the 250cc.

[130wide]

Is that fast in a straight line or around corners or both?
It would depend on the above, I rode a 250 and would get my ass kicked on the straights but then I would kick theirs ass in the twisties.
Anyone can ride fast in a straight line, but it takes balls to kick ass in the twisties.
17000rpm they can be fun...........
Just think anyone up for a ride up the east coast TeKaha????:2thumbsup

[Sheep Dags]

Well what are the top speeds of the 4 strokes?
Cause my 2 stroke can fuckin go man - and all 2 stroke 250s for that matter. I'd be keen to race a 4 stroke 250 in a straight line anywayz :D

[georgedubyabush]

Originally posted by Sheep Dags
Well what are the top speeds of the 4 strokes?
Cause my 2 stroke can fuckin go man - and all 2 stroke 250s for that matter. I'd be keen to race a 4 stroke 250 in a straight line anywayz :D

Wouldnt be much of a race. 250 2strokes race in the same class as the 400s so there you go. My 89 ZXR250 gets up to about 185-190 on the clock, but I'm not particularly aerodynamic. 19000rpm is fun, and you s o u n d like you're going fast.

From what ive heard the cbr250rr is the quickest of the 4strokes, but it's probably more a matter of whichever bike is in the best nick or least wornout when theyre 10yrs plus.

[Timber020]

The winner of fastest 250 would have to be the KR1, I know, its not the bike that comes to mind but out of the crate it was capable of some great speed. I heard of them being good for 210kmph but I think this is largely to do with it having higher gearing than other machines. (something about needing higher gearing to keep it below some sort of top gear ride past for a noise test)
Second place is a toss up between 2 bikes, the Suzy RGV and the Aprillia RS, both push a shade over 200kmph flat out standard (and of course share the same suzuki motor). The NSR was more restricted while still being a phenominal bike (single sided swingarm, so sexy). The TZR where also great but never pushed the top speed into the 200's.

Most of these 2 smokes were puting out about 60hp at the peak of there careers. A few mods could find 70hp but anything above that required some serious work! I think for output the RGV250SP would be on top with its dryclutch etc, the close ratio box held its top speed back, but I could be very wrong!

[Jackrat]

Don,t know about fastest but I had to deliver a CBR a couple of months back.First 250 Iv,e riden for about 15yrs,Was at first disapointed with no tourqe,gutless little thing,Then I got out on the open road,wound it up an wow,that flamin,thing could really go.I could own one of them things if they didn,t cost so much.
As Matt, says the dealers take advantage of the situation.
Still neat bike but,must be hot in the twistys.:niceone:

[k14]

Yeah, the CBR250RR and ZXR250 are both pretty much the same as far as 4 stroke 250's go. Im getting a CBR250RR in (goes checks calender) 17 sleeps :2thumbsup and can't wait. Have been told it is the fastest 250 4 stroke out.

But comparing 4 strokes to 2 strokes is not even a comparison. 2 strokes are made for the track and not that nice for riding round town etc, but 4 strokes have a much nicer power delivery etc.

As for the FXR250, i have heard bad things about them. They might have a bit of poke, but mechanically they arent supposed to be too reliable.

[Racey Rider]

Originally posted by Timber020
The winner of fastest 250 would have to be the KR1,
THANK YOU!! thank you!!
Thank you very much!
In accepting this honner, I'ld like to thank my sponsors,,

O wait! I don't have any sponsors!

I guess it would help if the rider was capable of going that fast as well! :o

Thanks Timber.
Where do I send the cheque?

[aff-man]

Well the zxr 250 is great and so is the cbr250rr or so i've heard. Handeling is pretty good but if you are looking for flat out speed, (And this goes against everything i believe in) but i say that 2-smokes are quicker due to the increased acceleation, but i am not so sure about top speed. Maybe we should have a little "comparrison test" one day :2thumbsup :2thumbsup

[jrandom]

I can vouch for the ZXR250 being reasonably quick for what it is. I test-rode one a couple months back, took it down the motorway, found a WRX to race (he was slow on the uptake but enough emphatic 'wind it on' hand gestures from the adjacent lane and he finally got the idea) and kept up quite well for a while until we ran into traffic and had to slow down. No trouble getting to 190 on the clock. It was quite happy to wheelie in 1st away from the lights given a bit of bounce and clutch-flick, too.

A mate of mine used to own one with a straight-through end can, he reckoned you could hear it from one end of Queen St to the other when he rode down there at night.

I'll have to talk one of the poor unsuspecting local dealers into letting me abuse a CBR250RR now :D

[750Y]

the rs250 is a fairly quick bike & it handles awesome too. my mates 95 was excellent on the back roads & left my old gsxr750 behind.

[Hoon]

Yep my vote goes to the Aprilia RS250 - some serious kick ass bike there.

[MrMelon]

I've heard pretty good things about the aprilia rs250's too.

I'd like to say my tzr is up there too, but i've never ridden any other 2 strokes to compare.

It's definately a fair bit quicker than the fzr/cbr-rr/zxr's that I rode before I got it though.

[Motoracer]

Originally posted by aff-man
but i say that 2-smokes are quicker due to the increased acceleation, but i am not so sure about top speed. Maybe we should have a little "comparrison test" one day :2thumbsup :2thumbsup


Yup!! lets do that on Sunday :2thumbsup

[Eddieb]

Having owned and thrashed various 2 and 4 stroke 250's around Bay Park raceway, Manfield and local backroads around Hamilton in my younger days I've found 2 strokes would beat a 4 pretty much everywhere.

Most of the 2 strokes if tuned well would have the better part of 20k/h over the faster 4's in top speed with an RGV250 and a ZXR400 being a fairly fair contest. These were in the days before the RS250 came out, I've heard they are a little faster still. Acceleration wise the 2 stroke would just leave a 4 behind.

I used to get 190km/h out of my old GSXR250RR after fitting of a race exhaust some minor work to the rubber carb mounts and 1 tooth lower on the front sprocket

[Firefight]

Originally posted by Motoracer
Yup!! lets do that on Sunday :2thumbsup




Hey MR,

have dedicated Sundays ride to 250 ride off challange:cool:



firefight.:sunny: :sunny:

[Coldkiwi]

general magazine opinion appears to be that the RGV was quickest till the RS came out (not sure what year so may not strictly qualify as pre 95).

The Rs actually made a few less bhp despite the same engine but the chassis is generally regarded as the best 250 ever (hence why Aprilia have ruled the 250 GP since they entered).

First time out at Puke I had a chat with someone on an RS250 and they said they had an indicated 220kmhr down the back straight. So even with a typical 8% margin of speedo error its still pulling over 200kmhr. My zxr ran out of gears at 190. My gauge of how much improvement I made on my entry onto the straight was the number of times I could bounce the rev limiter before getting on the brakes for the hairpin! lotsa fun :)

250's rock. So much fun and still wickedly capable (plus the kudos of beating guys on better/bigger bikes is a neat feeling)

[Motoracer]

Lol, not really but its always good to have another rider with similar sized bike in the group so you can have your own little fun. FF, you should bring one of your off road 250s to make it a proper 250 chalange. :D

[curious george]

Just wanting to get your opinion on what's the fastest 250 made between say 1985 to 1995. My mate's got a Yamaha FZR-R 250 1989 and reckon's it's pretty good, what do u guys think?

Mine.
Without doubt, and no questions.
Don't even try to argue. It will eat you. Alive.
Most of the time I ride it quite slow, so as not to draw attention to myself, but I'm sure there is nothing on the road or track that can touch it.
Just take my word for it.
And if you do overtake me, you will know that I am just holding back, and probably in third gear.







Bwahahahahahaha

[Motoracer]

Are you the guy who rode that RGV 250 with out side farings running Rennsports on it on the Coromandle Ride?

[Motu]

The fastest 250 I've ever riden was a Husky 250,around 1985 I think...water cooled but no power valves,long travel twin shock suspn and drum brakes.Some clown had won the NZ Enduro Champs on it a year or 2 before I was playing around on it - dunno how,this thing had the most mega king hit power band I've ever experianced,totaly unridable as far as I'm concerned.I would sit on the gas cap waiting for the sting,but no way could I ever get full power applied - road,off road,dirt track,it just went apeshit when it came on the pipe! I saw one guy who reckoned he could handle it no sweat...pulled it into a wheelstand!! the bike launched from under him and landed 10 metres doun the track! You gotta hand it to guys who can ride stuff like that like kids bikes.I used to have a TM 400 - tame as a pussy against this thing.

[James Deuce]

I had an '87 RG250F that I used to commute from Auckland to Wellington and back on every weekend for 3 months. It was bloody fantastic. Enough power to be fun (180km/h top speed), very reliable, really comfortable, and handled really well too.

I also owned a GSXR250 from new for a year and it was a sweet little bike. 170km/h top speed, but superbly chuckable. Used to dice with much bigger bikes on the Rimutakas, riding round the outside on turns with everything dragging.

Both have their strengths. The 4 stroke doesn't need as much maintenance, while the 2 stroke had a much better sensation of power.

By the way, 2 strokes actually have MORE torque than 4 strokes for a comparable cc rating. it's just that torque and power curves tend to follow each other on a 2 stroke, hence the powerband effect, and 4 strokes have a flatter torque curve (comparatively) through the rev range.

JIm2

[Motu]

Yep,trials bikes require the most bottom end torque of any bike - but they are all 2 strokes.I ride a 4 stroke trials bike...and it's sadly lacking in grunt.

[Nouseforaname]

My ZXR cuts out at 190kph (Govenor?)...... feels like it could still go some more but not much more i wouldnt think.

I Miss my 2-Smoke - More than 2 strokes is masturbation:gob:

[Fluffy Cat]

the fastest standard road going 250 produced so far is the kr1 or kr1 s from kawasaki performance bikes tested one of these at 140 mph a standard rgv m version when new about 130 mph.my rs on the back straight at pukekohe 209 kph standard.no 4 stroke diesel living or dead will get any where near a standard 2 stroke, standard means non restricted.But they do handel quite well but again not quite in the same group as the tzr nsr or rs.in club racing in the uk rgv 250 s were the ones to have.in japan nsr s and tzr s ruled the roost.but nobody seems to like them any more but they were and still are the closest thing to a works ride most of us will get.

[Racey Rider]

Originally posted by Fluffy Cat
the fastest standard road going 250 produced so far is the kr1 or kr1 s from kawasaki performance bikes tested one of these at 140 mph

THANK YOU!! thank you!!
Thank you very much!
In accepting this honner, I'ld like to thank,,,
Just a minute! Your just trying to give me NO EXCUSE for not being 1st 250 home on my KR on race day! :o

[marty]

from what i've heard the aprilia isn't too bad, and it really comes to life in the twisties. apparantley thay can continually ride right around the outside of a vfr800 when the corners come up, not to mention brake about 50 metres later........

it's not all about balls out speed in a straight line, we'd all ride 'busas if that was the case

[curious george]

Originally posted by Motoracer
Are you the guy who rode that RGV 250 with out side farings running Rennsports on it on the Coromandle Ride?

Nope. But I will be at the Puke open day sat 20th. Are many people here going? KK is complaining since his speeding ticket, he canne afford. I don't buy it.

[Hoon]

Yep I'll be at Puke on the 20th!

[Racey Rider]

I'm hopeing to have the KR sorted, and up at Puke for the bikes only day on the 16th Jan.
Meanwhile, You fallas keep practicing! :cool:

[Motoracer]

After a year of not riding my ZXR 400 SP due to carb problems, it is finally working!!! :D I just have to make some minor adjustments but 2 weeks is plenty of time to get it all ready.

Just one question thoe, according to the BBQ post, isn't the track time on Sunday the 21st of December? Is it the 20th or the 21st? :confused:

See you there every one, I will be the slowest rider there in a white suit and bike.

[wkid_one]

Fuck me - I took an NSR250 for a ride today - talk about a culture shock from the VTR - R1 and then this thing.  Remind me next time to not rely on engine braking at the corners!!!  Wicked quick tho - just don't tell the Gatso's as it is far from road legal.

[Racer X]

My mate had an RGV when I had my VFR400, and we used to race from every set of lights there was (of course). I got better starts due to the extra torque of the 4 stroke, but the bikes were dead even once moving. The VFR had about 10ks more top speed as well.

[Timber020]

2 Stroke 250 vs 4stroke 400 is always close, Down the main straight at manfield and Taupo my 87 RG250 would be slowly passed by VFR400s (oh that wonderful sound they make) then I would beat them through the corners only to have them outpace me on the straights again. I upgraded to an RGV250, they just couldnt get that ground back on the straight after that.

Every time I see a VFR400 it makes me smile!

[Dave]

THE FASTEST 250CC MADE IN 1995 IS THE APRILIA GP250
100hp 95kg and 260k/hr.

THANK YOU-TAKE YOUR SILLY LITTLE FOUR STROKES,WITH YOUR SILLY LITTLE VALVES, AND GO HOME!!!!!:done:

[k14]

I will also take my extra 10l of petrol for every 100kms of riding. :D

[marty]

yeah but if we wanted to save gas we'd be driving a corolla on lpg

[mangell6]

Poor Wkid_One - Two strokes only have engine braking in the 3,000 k before redline and when you sit up. :D :D

Try going from riding two strokes, off and on road, for four years and then get a four-stroke single as a road bike, talk about engine breaking caused no end of buttock clenching moments for the riders (and cars) behind me.

Mike

[Timber020]

Isnt that the grand prix bike? I doubt its available in road going format but damn it would be quick! Heck it probably doesnt even have a way of starting other than lots of pushing!

[wkid_one]

Was fucken wicked = I am soooo buying one.....

[wkid_one]

This is me

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[merv]

So who is going to tell us how the Sunday shootout went and what bike was fastest?

[Firefight]

Originally posted by merv
So who is going to tell us how the Sunday shootout went and what bike was fastest?


sorry Merv, it was cancelled due to weather, looked like shit early in the am, so we postponed it, and will try for this Sunday



firefight.:(

[bungbung]

I have been pootling around on a 2003 SR250 courtesy bike. It must be tied with GN250 for the slowest 250cc bike of all time. I hope no one recognises me :o

[aff-man]

Well unfortunatley it was cancelled but met up with motoracer anyway. We didn't "test " the bikes but i think his better riding ability will be offset with his "interesting" tyres so it will put us on an even par. As i am going to melbourne this weekend maybe the arvo before the KB BBQ would be a good testing time. Gives us a whole night to discuss who f#@!ed up more.

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p.s. (don't tell marty cause he'll wip us all :p:p:p)

[Hoon]

Why don't you guys come out to the Pukekohe track day on Dec 20th....then I can play too!

[aff-man]

I will be at the one on the 21st but i don't have the cash to play :( :(

[Motoracer]

Good idea affman!! Hopefully the weather will be better this time. Once I get some proper tyres, I'll stop bitching about the weather and just go for it :p but I really can't do that right now.

I was getting all excited about the track time before finding out its $200.00!!! :argh: Even my race bike is all ready to go now. Guess I'll just have to wait till the next practice track day.



Edit: Would that be the $80 track day on the 20th HO Hoon???:confused:

[Sharkey]

My 89 ZXR250 would sit at about 190kph on the rev limiter. I'm sure CK could confirm this from going down the back straight at Puke.

One time I had some fun and games with a GT-T Skyline at the lights, and we were about even. I think the major benefit from an acceleration point of view over cars lies in not having to shift until about 70kph, and then shifting much faster. Of course, you lose that advantage with other bikes......

If the CBR is faster, I don't think its by much. And I have to say that I think the Honda's trim quality isn't as nice, and there are too many of them. Boring.

[Hoon]

Originally posted by Motoracer
Edit: Would that be the $80 track day on the 20th HO Hoon???:confused:

Yep it sure would.&nbsp; 10:30am til 4:30pm.

[Motoracer]

Originally posted by HO-Hoon
Yep it sure would.&nbsp; 10:30am til 4:30pm.


Wooohooo!!! I am happy again :2thumbsup

Sorry affman but I'd rather hoon around on the track on my ZXR on the 20th. Its been far too long since I have ridden it.

[Dave]

My 89 ZXR250 would sit at about 190kph on the rev limiter. I'm sure CK could confirm this from going down the back straight at Puke.
HA HA HA HA , My 125 is faster than that. HA HA HA HA:p

[Sharkey]

Dave, I notice you live in Kaukapakapa. I guess that makes you 125cc about the biggest thrill around. :p

[aff-man]

Got sport in the morning but howz about i drop by puke in the arvo and do a bit of lap timing for you guys??

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[Motoracer]

That would be brilliant affman!! I'll finally get to see how far I am off from the other guys. hopefully not too far off...

[Coldkiwi]

Originally posted by Dave
HA HA HA HA , My 125 is faster than that. HA HA HA HA:p

yes yes, I know! I kept getting passed on the back straight by bastards like you when i went out there Dave! getting done by a smoky sewing machine&nbsp;in a&nbsp;corner I could understand but getting nutted by something with 1/2 the capacity in a straight line just wasn't on... so I bought the Zx-6R and have only had to put up with the odd Gsxr1000 going past :).

[Dave]

Still-you don't have to rebuild your engine every week!
My '98 bike that Sam smith was riding has had the motor apart for checking/rebuilding 5 times in 1 week.(4 track days) still,
1.07's for a 15 year old that only started on 125's in April is Fucking impressive.

[bluninja]

Just wait till he piles the weight on like you have Dave. Then he'll slow down a bit:D

TTFN

[Coldkiwi]

1/4 of the capacity and the little beggar is still quicker than me by 4 seconds! SOD it!

(hopefully only 2 seconds by the time I get the GSXR singing on the diablos)

to be honest, I'm happy sacrificing a few secnds for my weeknights not spent stripping an engine down!

[Dave]

Just wait till he piles the weight on like you have Dave
-this from you-thats rich.

[bluninja]

Well it had to be done... by somebody that's almost twice the man you are:gob:

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TTFN

[Dave]

Going to manfeild?

[bluninja]

Nope, I've got a weekend at home with the kids (read am going out on the rSVR for a road ride). But if you are going, have a fantatstic weekend.

TTFN

[.produKt]

Yes yes, i know this thread is almost 3 years old and 3 years since its last post.

Im just adding my 2c :)

My Saki ZXR has 16 years on it, and it f-u-c-k-i-n-g GOES! not that ive rudden anything else, but id love to have an illegal*cough*dragrace with someone down moorhouse :D pm me :msn-wink: :wavey:

[Lazy7]

would have to be the Aprilia 250 wouldn't it? 60hp and and 160kg's

top speed around 210km or about as fast as my zxr400...

[bugjuice]

aprillia NSR or RGV are fastest 2 strokes, no idea what's in it tho.
fastest 4 stroke would be CBR RR imho

[kro]

The winner of fastest 250 would have to be the KR1

This is my understanding too.

[WINJA]

my pick for the best 250 of that era would be the nsr250rk , fucken sexy and very reliable , btw i hate hondas

[nsrpaul]

nsr250 , and my nsr is the fastest of the nsrs , cause its got me on it

[cowpoos]

kawa kr1s250 is the fastest production 250...[top speed]
fastest four stroke is unrestricted zxr250c...[top speed]
fastest 0-100 is 98 cr250 [and I HATE HONDA's}
fastest 0-100 fourstroke 05 kxf250 [yeah go the kawa]
fastest 0-100 road legal 250 is some Gas Gas thingy [enduro 2stroker dunno what it was called]

I read that somewhere on the net a few mnths ago...

[N4CR]

Agreed with poos, I think a properly set up zx2r C model is quicker than a 250rr (eh tex ;) ) in all circumstances. More grunt down low anyway.

RS250 would be quickest two stroke (having highest bhp/L ratio of any production sports afaik), and some random NSR probably next.

[texmo]

Agreed with poos, I think a properly set up zx2r C model is quicker than a 250rr (eh tex ;) ) in all circumstances. More grunt down low anyway.

RS250 would be quickest two stroke (having highest bhp/L ratio of any production sports afaik), and some random NSR probably next.
Yep the ZXR is a little faster but in the real world not track makes no diffrence I still gave you the learn on the coro many a time. And I was able to start my bike everytime with out a fuss, never needed to push start it up and down my street tris.

[N4CR]

Yep the ZXR is a little faster but in the real world not track makes no diffrence I still gave you the learn on the coro many a time. And I was able to start my bike everytime with out a fuss, never needed to push start it up and down my street tris.

GIMME THE LEARN HAHA KEEP DREAMING :clap:

Yeah hondas always were made for softcocks with good carbs/electric starters and crap. Prob why they are so slow to start off with.. all the money is spent on reliability.

What texmo said is pretty much right, you won't notice the diff unless you are getting to the edge of the performance envelope, if you want high km's and reliability and parts go cbr if you want looks and that slight edge go zxr.

[texmo]

GIMME THE LEARN HAHA KEEP DREAMING :clap:



On every coro ride we went on I dont think you arrived at any pub first you squidly:bleh: and to top it off you wouldnt enjoy a cold one with the boys:oi-grr: Oh well keep it up jew boi one day you might be as fast as me.

[MidnightMike]

Poo's is right.

But I took a Bandit 250 for a ride today.
( My 3rd ride on a 250 :innocent: )

And that thing is mental.
I found a hill (downward) and twisted the throttle

* Cue massive smile going to holding on like shit and trying to find the brake :spudwow: (which i eventually managed to do thank god)

Mental machines, but cool.

[N4CR]

On every coro ride we went on I dont think you arrived at any pub first you squidly:bleh: and to top it off you wouldnt enjoy a cold one with the boys:oi-grr: Oh well keep it up jew boi one day you might be as fast as me.

OH YEAH AND THAT ONE TIME THROUGH THE SCENIC TWISTIES WHO OPENED UP THE 70M LEAD? - ME! WITH MY PLASTIC TYRES. I DID. NOT WINJA, OR DEATHSTAR OR ZED OR MOTORACERER.

I DONT NEED TO PROVE MYSELF WITH 170+ OPEN ROAD RIDING JUST TO GET A BEER, I DONT DRINK WHEN I RIDE ANYWAY FAGLOVER.k :laugh:

I LOVE YOU LONG TIME THOUGH :P

(think we can get this sent to pd... I bet ixion will.)

[Krusti]

The winner of fastest 250 would have to be the KR1, I know, its not the bike that comes to mind but out of the crate it was capable of some great speed. I heard of them being good for 210kmph but I think this is largely to do with it having higher gearing than other machines. (something about needing higher gearing to keep it below some sort of top gear ride past for a noise test)
Second place is a toss up between 2 bikes, the Suzy RGV and the Aprillia RS, both push a shade over 200kmph flat out standard (and of course share the same suzuki motor). The NSR was more restricted while still being a phenominal bike (single sided swingarm, so sexy). The TZR where also great but never pushed the top speed into the 200's.

!

Son has had 209 locked on his Aprilia computer with more to go!

[justsomeguy]

fastest 4 stroke would be CBR RR imho

They will hit 200 (indicated) that's about a couple of cm's past the 180 mark on the speedo and only do about 15.5-16krpm at that speed. So you don't need to completely thrash them either, unlike a two stroke. But an Aprilla should be faster in terms of both acceleration and top end.

[texmo]

Meh just because you lack the skills for riding at over the posted speed limit I stuck with you in coro twistes with easy p/t you werent going full tit neither was I though as I proved when a car came into my lane and I moved out of its way. Still you mangaed not to write off your bike yet, which im surprised you havent your time will come grasshopper as your front tyre aint got much left to give.

[Insanity_rules]

Gotta say, I used to own a Suzi RG250 Walter Wolf and that sucker was FAST!!! If ya never seen one here's a link http://www.suzukicycles.org/RG-series/RG250-Gamma.shtml and go to the bottom of the page.

It was a freakin beast but really prone to breakdown. Was told by original importer the Walter Wolf was a special edition to commemorate his racing victories. Built pretty special for an 80's bike too.

It tried to kill me one too many times so graduated onto a VFR750, much more useable bike.

[ducatilover]

aprillia rs250 mmmmm corner speed king! and they have lots of power. and they look sexy.

[N4CR]

YEAH AY TEX, WHEN I PASSED THAT AMBO A BIT AFTERWARDS I DID A NICE TRIPOD ON THE STUPID BIG EXHAUST WHICH WAS FUN....

Fuck hurry up and get another 250 for shits and giggles like old times man! I might end up keeping mine if it looks sexy enough and just take fairings off it.

We can recreate zxr riderz ov kreig or something.

[texmo]

Yer but I wouldnt own a pussy zxr and cbrs are too expensive fucking 250cc market is fucked. $6.5k for a cbr250rr 1992 from a shop. Thats a thrid of a k6 600 and the k6 is more than ten times the bike.

[ducatilover]

cbrs would be good if they had more power:Punk: turbo anyone?

[imdying]

Ha, CBRs would be good if they didn't weigh as much as an R6... They're ok for learner bikes, and the 19000rpm redline is soo cool to hammer, but other than that they've got bugger all going for them. It's a damn shame they don't make an 06 CBR250 weighing < 130kgs, 70bhp or some such shite :D

[ducatilover]

nah if you want that power and weight get an rs250;)

[imdying]

Now me personally, I'd agree with ya, but plenty of people are like 'boo hoo it's a two stroke and they're unreliable'. Which of course it tripe, they just don't take abuse like slow old four strokes :D

[ducatilover]

i bet most people that bitch about them either havent owend one or they have and neglected it:bash: .... id love a decent two smoker

[Sniper]

Just sold the CBR and I reckon it was great

[Sketchy_Racer]

My cbr hits the 180 speed limiter with ease.

Calculating Revs=speed with the speedo cable disconected, i figured it out to be about 210 give or take 1 or 2.

that was in con cordance with the speedo reading which is bound to be optimistic by like 10% so about 200 the tops i would say.

good fun in the twistys too!!

[SlowHand]

OH YEAH AND THAT ONE TIME THROUGH THE SCENIC TWISTIES WHO OPENED UP THE 70M LEAD? - ME! WITH MY PLASTIC TYRES. I DID. NOT WINJA, OR DEATHSTAR OR ZED OR MOTORACERER.

he's on a gn u dick.

[ducatilover]

My cbr hits the 180 speed limiter with ease.

Calculating Revs=speed with the speedo cable disconected, i figured it out to be about 210 give or take 1 or 2.

that was in con cordance with the speedo reading which is bound to be optimistic by like 10% so about 200 the tops i would say.

good fun in the twistys too!!
how fast will it do 0-100k, 0-160k? or the quarter mile? they are good through the twisties though

[texmo]

a cbr250rr will do the 1/4 in 14sec flat I think and it takes around 5 seconds to do 0-100, slow piece of poo makes up for it with its low crank inertia

[ducatilover]

a cbr250rr will do the 1/4 in 14sec flat I think and it takes around 5 seconds to do 0-100, slow piece of poo makes up for it with its low crank inertia
thats fucken slow, mind you its only a 250:bleh: .... my gn did 60k in nearly 4 seconds! and 11 or 12ish to 100k [with a tail wind haha and it did 130 with a tail wind]:niceone: my bros650 did 100k a touch under 4sec and 160 in 11 ish :wavey:

[texmo]

Diffrence is the cbr will take you on the first corner.

[R6_kid]

who need vorsprung when you have KAWASAKI and TRISTANK riding it!!!

rumour has it that the last of the FZR250's is acutually the fastest. It has the exup valve which gave it a little extra top end.

and just so you all know there is no such thing as a post 1993 ZXR/CBR/FZR, they all ceased production in 1993, the only way they can be a later model is if they were not registered until after that year.

[imdying]

What? Take the 650 Bros on the corners? Are you on crack? The 650 isn't exactly a slug through the corners, and it'll annihilate the CBR250 out of them...

[ducatilover]

only if im riding, i found im not too good at this riding thing haha. the bros650 will outcorner a cbr/zxr if set up right. its smaller than both of them but it also has 3 times the torque and then some.

[ducatilover]

What? Take the 650 Bros on the corners? Are you on crack? The 650 isn't exactly a slug through the corners, and it'll annihilate the CBR250 out of them...
thank you! and i have riden a zxr and it doesnt go as good as the bros650 so there:blah: :nya:

[imdying]

ZXR250s and CBR250s are great fun to ride, you can slam em on there ear, and wind the gas on as hard as you like. The only downside is, when you wind on the gas, there's nothing there :(

[ducatilover]

ZXR250s and CBR250s are great fun to ride, you can slam em on there ear, and wind the gas on as hard as you like. The only downside is, when you wind on the gas, there's nothing there :(
yeah, but a decent size bike eg, bros650 is easy to get to the peg and has a good amount of power

[Sketchy_Racer]

the CBR loves lean angles!!!

you know your really leaning when yuor knee is against the tank and the ground :blink:

you have to have after market rear sets tho like mine..... very cool.

Im gonna have to take it up the takas one day.... when its legal...ahem

it will beat alot of bikes that are newer and more power!!

[ducatilover]

i want some higer rearsets for the bros

[SwanTiger]

Everyone knows that the fatest 250cc Motorcycle available today is a Hyosung GT 250R, every other 250 is just a piece of shit called a Motorcycle for shits and giggles.

I'd have to say that the CBR or ZXR are up there in the all rounder, but as my homolicious ex-fuck buddy Gareth mentioned, FZR250's are suppose to have a few extra balls. I'd put my money on the FZR, so long as a slow fat cunt like WINJA wasn't riding it :D

[ducatilover]

and then an rs250 passes you.....

good point about winja though

[imdying]

I've ridden most of them, and the FZR250 is a gutless sack of shite. Stuff all these little putt putt 4 strokes, get yourself a 2 stroke and grin :)

[SwanTiger]

2 stroke riders are the same in bed, two strokes and they cum.

4 stroke riders on the other hand, you need to choke the fuckers silly before you get them started, then warm 'em up.

What would a lady prefer? AAHMMM?!

[N4CR]

who need vorsprung when you have KAWASAKI and TRISTANK riding it!!!

rumour has it that the last of the FZR250's is acutually the fastest. It has the exup valve which gave it a little extra top end.

and just so you all know there is no such thing as a post 1993 ZXR/CBR/FZR, they all ceased production in 1993, the only way they can be a later model is if they were not registered until after that year.

What he said, BUT exup valve is for down low backpressure it does nothing up high and would probably hinder it, like the gixxer thous. FZR's seem to make ZXR's highly reliable in comparison too :lol: I don't know about fzr's being quicker as the zxr's seem to have the edge on paper... it is on paper though.

Anyone wanna race when I get mine re-tuned?


the bros650 will outcorner a cbr/zxr if set up right.

Don't think so. Read tex's post about crank etc being much lighter hence the 250cc advantage in mid corner speed and flickability - you have to sometimes brake a bit mid corner to not run up the arse of big bikes cranked over in the twistie stuff. Power wise... no shit, but not if it's 30m to the next corner :2guns: ZXR will probably have a shorter wheelbase (can't be arsed finding figures) - comes in at 1360mm I think.

Same thing happens when you put a 150 up against a 250... 250 corner speed ain't so flash looking then. The fxr I'm pootling along feels like its made of polystyrene when you flick it around.

edit: measured specs of my particular bike 160.3kg wet with about 2/3rds fuel and 36rwhp running rich. Didn't get a torque reading.

[ducatilover]

tristank- i have riden the zxr250 and it does not handle as good as a bros650, i would think the bros has a lighter crank and its lighter anyway and smaller, the 150's are fucken tiny with little skinny tires and will lean better.

[ducatilover]

zxrs are about 24nm at the crank, the bros 650 is skinnier and more flickable from corner to corner, when you mean bigger bikes you actually mean bigger bikes not a bros650 that is actually smaller and skinnier, but hey we can both babble about pur bikes but at the end of the day its the fucken rider and im not much of a rider so umm yeah

[N4CR]

Was it the A model or the C model? A is about 12-13kg heavier with different shocks and less adjustments. Go get a properly set up zxr C model and say that again... (eh texmo ;) ) Whats the dry weight on those bros? I noticed they are a bit higher up and look a bit chunkier to me. Havn't ridden one though. If you can throw it around the wider bars would help, but I seriously think corner speed will be lower.

[ducatilover]

i cant actually remeber what model it was, but it was fairly light, the bros is 180kg wet and dry they are 168kg but mine has lightweight rims and the seat and tail section seighs fuck all [made of fibre glass] and the exhaust weighs less than standard so id say mine is about 160 kg dry. and it has very skinny bars [clipons actually mounted beneath the top triple clamp

[texmo]

I would put $500 on tristan through woodcox road which is twistie with some small straights voer you on your bros 650. A zx2r/cbr250rr is faster through corners there are no two ways about it.

[ducatilover]

fuck that, im not betting on me rideing! either way id rather ride a bros650 through twistie corners as its smaller and skinnier and more powerfull and better sounding and i can always become a better rider.

[TONO]

Interesting thread....being an ex 250 two stroke rider from the late 60s early 70s. I rode a Yamy YDS5 250 that was ported & polished, balanced and would do 112mph (180km/h) & a suzy DS250 that would do 105mph.
Anyway did some research on the net & came up with the following info.
89 ZXR250 max 198km/h, 92 RVG250 max 197km/h, 98 RS250 max 205km/h,
92 KR1 250 max 218.9 km/h, BR250rr max 180km/h, unrestricted 200km/h.
which may or may not interest you.

[N4CR]

Nice to see.
That 1989 ZXR is an A model which has less top end than the C model. I'd put a more realistic figure on the 250 inline fours being around 175-180kmh max after speedo inaccuracy. Mine is dyno'd to 204 and goes off the clock (190) in controlled conditions and keeps revving. But I need a GPS to end this once and for all.

The two stork 250's should kick the pants off a IL4 in straight line and corner etc.. (Untill you have to change the plugs and put some more 2 stroke mix in.. lol). Its about 20hp more usually in these days.

I love two strokes, but don't wanna pay two rego's for a 4 stroke and an rs250 or the likes. :bash:

[R6_kid]

would love to have see a brand new ZXR250A model... or any other of the 'cool' 250's for that matter, run them in as per manual, and then do a top speed run on them. Then this shit would be sorted, unfortunately all we got to go by is hear say now coz half the bikes have been royally raped (mine was) and so its hard to compare them now.

[ducatilover]

im looking aqt a cbr250r hurricane but im not sure what he wants for it, its pretty rough at first glance but its only got 30000k