To the three sport bike riders racing on SH75 12.45pm today [Archive]

onearmedbandit

5th February 2011, 13:14

Overtaking on a left hand bend directly into the path of oncoming traffic (me) is precisely what killed three bikers in 2008.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10549889

Take your racing to the track. You F*****G morons.

Ah you'll get shit for making a post like this, but who gives a fuck. It's a beautiful day today, but I'll leave the bike in the shed. Better to ride during the week when there's less idiots to share the road with.

red mermaid

5th February 2011, 13:36

Its OK, they were speeding and the motto of KB is, "Speed doesn't kill."

MSTRS

5th February 2011, 13:37

Of course it doesn't. It's crashing that kills. Now take your books and pencils and go to the back of the class.

onearmedbandit

5th February 2011, 13:38

Its OK, they were speeding and the motto of KB is, "Speed doesn't kill."

And airline travellers, race car and motorcycle competitors, spaceship crews. But when it all comes to a stop, well then that is a different story. But then hitting a solid object at 100km/h will probably kill as well. I've looked everywhere, but I can't find at what speed you'll die. I've been nearly 300km/h on the ground before, and I'm still alive. I've been over 800km/h in the air, yup still breathing.

Also, there was no mention of speed by the OP.

Drew

5th February 2011, 14:05

Win or bin baby YEAH!

Coldrider

5th February 2011, 14:16

Its OK, they were speeding and the motto of KB is, "Speed doesn't kill."Well if they aren't KB members they will be alright then.

watermellon

5th February 2011, 14:27

Ah you'll get shit for making a post like this, but who gives a fuck.

Yep. Shit from morons I can take.

There's no shortage of people out there taking an adversarial approach to road use and / or treating public roads like their own private race track. If there's a time and a place, this wasn't it.

Those people in their cars or on their bikes have lives, jobs, families they're responsible for and people who care about them. The misery caused by selfish fuckwits such as those that prompted this posting is immeasurable.

Good drivers / riders are SAFE drivers / riders. Even if you have no respect for your own life, have some for others'.

imdying

5th February 2011, 14:47

DEATH_INC.

5th February 2011, 14:57

Racing?
..............

Katman

5th February 2011, 15:20

Thanks for having a waaaaaah and stating the obvious... nobody knew, and everybody is really stoked to hear yet another whinger bring up the same old boring shit. Those people don't give a shit, so don't waste the space.

Hey, they may not, but I certainly do give a shit.

In fact, I'm loving the fact that motorcyclists are starting to recognise (and speak out about) fuckwits on motorcycles.

For far too long responsible motorcyclists have remained silent in fear that they might be ostracised for speaking out about 'The Brotherhood'.:sick:

The times they are a'changing.

fatzx10r

5th February 2011, 15:26

did they wave ?

Tink

5th February 2011, 15:35

Overtaking on a left hand bend directly into the path of oncoming traffic (me) is precisely what killed three bikers in 2008.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10549889

Take your racing to the track. You F*****G morons.

Good on you!!! Everytime this happens it needs to be bought to everyone's attention, (boring shit I think not... that = Lives are worth nothing!)

watermellon

5th February 2011, 15:56

Thanks for having a waaaaaah and stating the obvious... nobody knew, and everybody is really stoked to hear yet another whinger bring up the same old boring shit. Those people don't give a shit, so don't waste the space.

Thread wasn't directed at you (as far as I know) so you needn't have opened it. If you didn't want it to take up space you needn't have replied to it. Whinger? Better here than a family member's graveside.

Pretty easy to sit at your keyboard taking a pop at a stranger. You heading out for a ride tomorrow? Ride safe.

hellokitty

5th February 2011, 16:00

sadly there are wankers everywhere - hopefully the only kill themselves and not innocent people

Maha

5th February 2011, 16:03

sadly there are wankers everywhere - hopefully the only kill themselves and not innocent people

I would be more inclinded to say ''good riders have nothing to prove, dead riders have nothing left to prove''.

Tink

5th February 2011, 16:04

I would be more inclinded to say ''good riders have nothing to prove, dead riders have nothing left to prove''.

Nice! Sad fact!

White trash

5th February 2011, 16:05

I did a fuggin MEAN wheelie up SH2 this afternoon, anyone see it? Been ages since I did proper good wheelie. It felt mint.

Katman

5th February 2011, 16:13

I did a fuggin MEAN wheelie up SH2 this afternoon, anyone see it? Been ages since I did proper good wheelie. It felt mint.

Hey, I realise you're just stirring shit Jimmy - you probably weren't even out on your bike today.

But ask yourself - do you want to be part of the problem or part of the solution?

imdying

5th February 2011, 16:38

Thread wasn't directed at you (as far as I know) so you needn't have opened it. If you didn't want it to take up space you needn't have replied to it. Whinger? Better here than a family member's graveside.Guess what mate... everyone you know is going to die. Some of them bloody and screaming. This isn't news.

Pretty easy to sit at your keyboard taking a pop at a stranger. You heading out for a ride tomorrow? Ride safe.I am, and I'll probably speed hard out down 75 too. With a bit of luck it'll be the person I hit that dies rather than vice versa.

imdying

5th February 2011, 16:42

But ask yourself - do you want to be part of the problem or part of the solution?Meh, who cares either way... what's the worst that can happen? Road bikes get banned? Boo fucking hoo... plenty of great ways to get your kicks, bikes are just another toy.

White trash

5th February 2011, 16:47

Hey, I realise you're just stirring shit Jimmy - you probably weren't even out on your bike today.

But ask yourself - do you want to be part of the problem or part of the solution?

Yeah you're right, I am stirring. And I don't actually have a proper road bike anyway.

See you and I have very different views on this issue Steve, and I honestly do see your point of view. To answer your question, neither. I don't give a toss either way. If I see one of my mates doing something stupid, I'll let them know that it's out of line but ultimately I believe it's each and every riders individual place to be responsible for their own actions and riding. I'm not going to try and save the world one rider at a time as it doesn't effect me. People make their own decisions in life on all sorts of matters, how they behave on a bike is one of those.

HenryDorsetCase

5th February 2011, 16:48

Its OK, they were speeding and the motto of KB is, "Speed doesn't kill."

Can I just point out the idiocy of that remark?

Fairly obviously, if you read the OP, speed didn't kill anyone.

Katman

5th February 2011, 16:55

I'm not going to try and save the world one rider at a time as it doesn't effect me.

Motorcycling is directly my business, so I hope you'll forgive me for taking this shit seriously.

pc220

5th February 2011, 17:12

Something not right here. I have only had 2 beers and am agreeing with katman.:facepalm:

george formby

5th February 2011, 17:24

Something not right here. I have only had 2 beers and am agreeing with katman.:facepalm:

Bstard, I'm still at work sweatin me nuts off with the whiff of over cooked back packer in me nostrils & when I get home my beer is sat beside the fridge. Bugger. Tellys good tonight though, Irresponsible Bikers, even though it's a repeat. ;)

Katman

5th February 2011, 17:27

Something not right here. I have only had 2 beers and am agreeing with katman.:facepalm:

Wait till you've had the dozen - you'll probably think I'm a cunt again.

Kickaha

5th February 2011, 18:34

Wait till you've had the dozen - you'll probably think I'm a cunt again.

I don't even need beer to think that :motu:

James Deuce

5th February 2011, 18:39

I don't even need beer to think that :motu:

It's true. His sister is all right though.

watermellon

5th February 2011, 18:40

I am, and I'll probably speed hard out down 75 too. With a bit of luck it'll be the person I hit that dies rather than vice versa.

I do hope this applies to you:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/archive/national-news/682484

James Deuce

5th February 2011, 18:40

:facepalm:

Play the ball, not the man.

Katman

5th February 2011, 18:45

His sister is all right though.

Did she tell you that?

James Deuce

5th February 2011, 18:55

Did she tell you that?

She made me say that. You know what she's like. Shit.....

Smifffy

5th February 2011, 19:16

:facepalm:

Play the ball, not the man.

Went directly for the balls acherly...

racefactory

5th February 2011, 19:18

I say it again, if there was more accessible track time then there wouldn't be frequent scenes like this. Tracks need subsidised advertisement, cheaper and more accessible to the common loon.

hellokitty

5th February 2011, 19:26

Wait till you've had the dozen - you'll probably think I'm a cunt again.

hmmmm When I think of a KB cunt, your name is NOT the one that pops into my head.

Oops maybe I should edit this, or I may get some more nasty private messages... (yawn)

onearmedbandit

5th February 2011, 19:36

I say it again, if there was more accessible track time then there wouldn't be frequent scenes like this. Tracks need subsidised advertisement, cheaper and more accessible to the common loon.

I disagree. Ruapuna is only $80 for a half day, cheaper if you're a member. It's open Tuesdays and Fridays, organising a day off work isn't that hard. Yet with all this, I know guys on 'crotch rockets' who are just not interested in going around and around a track all day. I actually enjoy it. But I also understand the enjoyment of a fast paced ride to a destination, and that's what most of these guys prefer.

racefactory

5th February 2011, 20:36

I disagree. Ruapuna is only $80 for a half day, cheaper if you're a member. It's open Tuesdays and Fridays, organising a day off work isn't that hard. Yet with all this, I know guys on 'crotch rockets' who are just not interested in going around and around a track all day. I actually enjoy it. But I also understand the enjoyment of a fast paced ride to a destination, and that's what most of these guys prefer.

If you let them all know it was that cheap and how to get in, don't you reckon most of them would suddenly find themselves at the track (depending on how far away it is) ?

Another point worth mentioning is do the riders you speak of have leathers and boots or are they squids in shorts? These are compulsory and many people are put off by the cost.

onearmedbandit

5th February 2011, 21:59

If you let them all know it was that cheap and how to get in, don't you reckon most of them would suddenly find themselves at the track (depending on how far away it is) ?

Another point worth mentioning is do the riders you speak of have leathers and boots or are they squids in shorts? These are compulsory and many people are put off by the cost.

Me and these guys have been riding for 20 years, we've all ridden out at the track numerous times, we all know how cheap it is, we all have full leathers, proper boots, back protectors etc. None of us are squids in shorts. Ruapuna is 10 minutes out of town. Yet they are not interested in riding around in circles all day. Oh also leathers and boots are not compulsory on open days down here.

Like I said, I like going out there, great place to legally stretch the throttle cable on the thou', but I wouldn't ride it every week.

gammaguy

6th February 2011, 00:07

I still have a home in New Zealand,its in Banks Peninsula,and when im there I like to ride,and i like to ride fast

My ride of choice is from my place to Akaroa and back,but guess what?

I dont overtake on blind corners

i dont cut up other road users

i dont ride like a cockhead

so to avoid those that do,i ride during the week,and long since gave up riding at weekends to places where stupid selfish idiots on sprotsbikes like to show everyone how good they are.

Im glad we are finally starting to post threads about these stupid riders who put us all at risk,both dirrectly and indirectly,and i say fuck the brotherhood and fuck the solidarity,these idiots are not doing us any favours,and its good to see we can now come out and say it.If a single word of anything said on here makes a scrap of difference,it will have been worth it.

And for all you heroes who like to think you can ride how you like,and fuck everyone else just get out of my way,how about showing off your skills on a racetrack where they belong?fat chance,its so much cooler to overtake a guy in a toyota isnt it.:angry:

Im with you Katman,even if you do like diesels:shutup:

racefactory

6th February 2011, 01:10

Because they don't want to pay money to go on the track, that's why- sad but true.

DEATH_INC.

6th February 2011, 06:28

No. I ride fast (by new kb standards) because going slow is fucking boring. Simple. I drive fast too.
Oh, and I do go to the track too, it doesn't mean you go slower on the road. :facepalm:

Grumph

6th February 2011, 06:46

I say it again, if there was more accessible track time then there wouldn't be frequent scenes like this. Tracks need subsidised advertisement, cheaper and more accessible to the common loon.

Bullcrap...we saw exactly the same thing with the boy racers - skidpads laid on, dragstrip available....but no, they wanted them available during the hours of darkness....you just can't satisfy the requirements of dickheads becaus they don't know what they want.

IMO even if track time was free these pricks would still do it on the open road just for the thrill of lawbreaking...All we can do now is rely on natural selection and ride and drive defensively.

Kickaha

6th February 2011, 08:10

Because they don't want to pay money to go on the track, that's why- sad but true.

More likely they dont want to go to the track and find out they're actually pretty fucken slow, better to ride on the road and pretend they're fast

BoristheBiter

6th February 2011, 08:19

More likely they dont want to go to the track and find out they're actually pretty fucken slow, better to ride on the road and pretend they're fast

Works for me.

p.dath

6th February 2011, 08:44

Those people don't give a shit, so don't waste the space.

And yet you "waste space" by replying, and getting the thread more attention by bumping it. :)

steve_t

6th February 2011, 08:48

IMO even if track time was free these pricks would still do it on the open road just for the thrill of lawbreaking...All we can do now is rely on natural selection and ride and drive defensively.

Exactly! Breaking the law makes 'em feel like a badass and it makes them cool in the eyes of their loser mates :yes:

Drew

6th February 2011, 09:00

huff3r

6th February 2011, 09:53

I blame TV show like 'Dr Phill'...For the incredible insight a lot of people have into the psyche of people you don't even bloody know.

Lots of people ride a decent clip on the road, and it's very possible the people the thread was started about just came at a corner a tad hotter than they thought. Happens to nearly every biker at some point, just this time a 'holier than thou' type was coming round the bend the other way and quickly deduced that these "morons" were racing with a fully qualified opinion from having been able to see them for a whole twelve seconds, (at a stretch).

Good ol' KB for instantly condemning anyone else on the road!

It was you, wasnt it? :shifty::laugh:

I love how you jumpt to answers to defend them straight away. If you come at a corner too hot, in a group of 3, then maybe these people NEED the tracktime everyone else is suggesting. It's still no excuse, even if it's a mistake the truck coming the other way will still kill ya.

Drew

6th February 2011, 10:24

It was you, wasnt it? :shifty::laugh:I wish, it's been ages since I got out for a recreational ride on the road!

I love how you jumpt to answers to defend them straight away. If you come at a corner too hot, in a group of 3, then maybe these people NEED the tracktime everyone else is suggesting. It's still no excuse, even if it's a mistake the truck coming the other way will still kill ya.

I do jump to defensive suggestion in situations like this, because the kangaroo court that is Kiwibiker does the opposite EVERY time.

It's easy for following riders to come at a corner too hot if the lead bike does, and it's track time that has taught me to look past the guy in front and ride my own line. But that was RACE track time that got me to do that, no amount of track days can compare to competitive riding in that sense. There are 'no overtaking on the inside' rules at lots of track days for anyone but the race class, which means you're actually enforcing the habit of watching the guy in front instead of picking an appropriate line for the speed differential and taking it.

It's all academic anyway. No body knows who they were, or what they were thinking at the time. If they are reading this then they have have very little in their yam bags, because they wont give any explanation to events.

Skyryder

6th February 2011, 10:25

Who said speed does not kill? It 'kills' the innocent.

Good on ya Watermelon. If ya post has made one person on here think about their riding it has not been in vain.

Skyryder

Katman

6th February 2011, 10:34

It's easy for following riders to come at a corner too hot if the lead bike does, and it's track time that has taught me to look past the guy in front and ride my own line. But that was RACE track time that got me to do that, no amount of track days can compare to competitive riding in that sense. There are 'no overtaking on the inside' rules at lots of track days for anyone but the race class, which means you're actually enforcing the habit of watching the guy in front instead of picking an appropriate line for the speed differential and taking it.

You seem to be struggling to see the difference between a public road and a racetrack.

Drew

6th February 2011, 10:36

Who said speed does not kill? It 'kills' the innocent.

Good on ya Watermelon. If ya post has made one person on here think about their riding it has not been in vain.

Skyryder

Regurgitated, generic, politically correct rubbish.

This is an internet forum. I argue a point on here for entertainment, because that is the only thing it will achieve.

If it compels someone to do a track day, that's awesome because I reckon everyone who likes to ride fast will have fun there, but it's only awesome to me because if they do have fun, there are more people who are like minded to self. That makes me feel good, but essentially means fuck all.

Drew

6th February 2011, 10:37

You seem to be struggling to see the difference between a public road and a racetrack.

How so? I have not advocated (seriously at least) racing on the road, merely pointed out a flaw in the witch hunt.

phill-k

6th February 2011, 10:58

Meh, who cares either way... what's the worst that can happen? Road bikes get banned? Boo fucking hoo... plenty of great ways to get your kicks, bikes are just another toy.

Not sure why u are posting here but I'd hazard a guess with your attitude you are living on borrowed time, hope you don't have a wife and kids that actually love you.

A suggestion for you go find another toy to play on and give the bikes away.

onearmedbandit

6th February 2011, 10:59

More likely they dont want to go to the track and find out they're actually pretty fucken slow, better to ride on the road and pretend they're fast

Yep, but not everyone wants to be a racer. Some of us know we'll never be fast enough to mix it up on the track, or even if we were money/time/dedication stop us from competing, but why should that stop us/them from enjoying our bikes on the road. Also there is a satisfaction from riding somewhere, at pace, and stopping at the destination for a chin wag, then repeat on the way home. You don't get that at the track.

racefactory

6th February 2011, 11:04

Yep, but not everyone wants to be a racer. Some of us know we'll never be fast enough to mix it up on the track, but why should that stop us/them from enjoying our bikes on the road. Also there is a satisfaction from riding somewhere, at pace, and stopping at the destination for a chin wag, then repeat on the way home. You don't get that at the track.

But that's the thing, not everyone wants to be a racer/track day junkie/hardcore/club member... not everyone wants to have to fit in. Make it well known that it can be a cruise in- drive home occasion with short term/no notice or bookings and it then won't become the type of 'racer' scene you refer to; easier said than done I know. Just what I think based on the riders that I've known.

Mad-V2

6th February 2011, 11:07

Holy fucken shit!!! People speed if they want to, and the only thing you people can do to save them, is start door knocking to save their souls with ya bible like all the other pushers.
I hate people forcing their beliefs on others like they are better than everyone else.
I agree that people racing on the road in traffic are complete idiots, and the road is no place for it, especially in built up areas. Only death can sort those idiots out, not any of you.
But if I'm riding along the Napier/Taupo highway straights at 3 in the morning for instance, I'll be going alot faster than 100K's. Thats not because I think it's cool or I'm the best rider on the planet, thats because It's fucken boring and I'd rather get there quicker. I've always ridden/driven this way and have never overshot a corner, fallen off or crashed my car.
As I've said before, Trackdays only make 100K's feel slow when your heading home and more often than not you find your speed creeping up without even noticing because of it.
But honestly, sitting there preaching about speeders on every thread is just annoying!! Why not start a build thread or post some useful information that people don't know. Even better!! Why not start a website that focus's on the out of control meth problem we have in New Zealand and preach about how SPEED KILLS!!!!
There ya go.......My opinion......Bring on the name calling :bleh:

onearmedbandit

6th February 2011, 11:10

But that's the thing, not everyone wants to be a racer/track day junkie/hardcore/club member... make it well known that it can be a cruise in- drive home occasion with short term/no notice or bookings and it then won't become the type of 'racer' scene you refer to. Just what I think based on the riders that I've known.

You still don't get it do you. 16 corners lap after lap after lap after lap does not compare with 300+ different corners to Nelson, or 100 different corners to Akaroa. The track is already accessible, we don't need to book, we all have excellent bikes, we all have the good gear, we can all afford to go out to the track, we know all this. But yet we still would more often than not actually ride somewhere, not around and around and around.

george formby

6th February 2011, 11:10

I wish, it's been ages since I got out for a recreational ride on the road!

I do jump to defensive suggestion in situations like this, because the kangaroo court that is Kiwibiker does the opposite EVERY time.

It's easy for following riders to come at a corner too hot if the lead bike does, and it's track time that has taught me to look past the guy in front and ride my own line. But that was RACE track time that got me to do that, no amount of track days can compare to competitive riding in that sense. There are 'no overtaking on the inside' rules at lots of track days for anyone but the race class, which means you're actually enforcing the habit of watching the guy in front instead of picking an appropriate line for the speed differential and taking it.

It's all academic anyway. No body knows who they were, or what they were thinking at the time. If they are reading this then they have have very little in their yam bags, because they wont give any explanation to events.

:yes:

5 bikes ended up in a ploughed field many years ago following the guy in front & not the road. Laughed my skinny little ass off, thick, wet, winter mud from head to toe, front to rear, on all of them. Pre Youtube sadly.

Yes, they were riding "at pace".

onearmedbandit

6th February 2011, 11:20

Riding at 'pace' is not without risk, riding full stop isn't without risk if you want to get really picky. But riding at pace can be done safely. Even Katman admits to going over the speed limit...

phill-k

6th February 2011, 11:20

I hate people forcing their beliefs on others like they are better than everyone else.
I agree that people racing on the road in traffic are complete idiots, and the road is no place for it, especially in built up areas. Only death can sort those idiots out, not any of you.
But if I'm riding along the Napier/Taupo highway straights at 3 in the morning for instance, I'll be going alot faster than 100K's. Thats not because I think it's cool or I'm the best rider on the planet, thats because It's fucken boring and I'd rather get there quicker. I've always ridden/driven this way and have never overshot a corner, fallen off or crashed my car.
But honestly, sitting there preaching about speeders on every thread is just annoying!! Why not start a build thread or post some useful information that people don't know. Even better!! Why not start a website that focus's on the out of control meth problem we have in New Zealand and preach about how SPEED KILLS!!!!
There ya go.......My opinion......Bring on the name calling :bleh:

You might think its ok to be doing well in excess of the speedlimit because its boring but road users are there not by right, you are required to show respect for other road users as well. It can be quite frustrating for family members when there love ones are killed by morons who think they own the roads.
The OP had an issue with what he says was poor riding, his right just as much as you can choose not to read the 4 pages, and start your own really informative post.
Last weekend I had exactly the same issue, bike following a line of cars coming around a left hander into a short straight, I'm heading in the opposite direction, only traffic so a mongrel on his large HD pulls across to my side and starts to pass cars meant I had to shift well left to let him by, prick didn't even wave.

Skyryder

6th February 2011, 11:20

Regurgitated, generic, politically correct rubbish.

This is an internet forum. I argue a point on here for entertainment, because that is the only thing it will achieve.

If it compels someone to do a track day, that's awesome because I reckon everyone who likes to ride fast will have fun there, but it's only awesome to me because if they do have fun, there are more people who are like minded to self. That makes me feel good, but essentially means fuck all.

Try as I might I can only come to the conclusion that you find it perfectly acceptable that innocent people get killed by others speeding and driving/riding dangeriously. And that is what Watermelon's post was about.

While you post for entertinment others may do so for other reasons. I’m in no position to comment on Watermelon’s reason. Perhaps he may want to enlighten you. His choice not mine.

Skyryder

DEATH_INC.

6th February 2011, 11:26

More likely they dont want to go to the track and find out they're actually pretty fucken slow, better to ride on the road and pretend they're fast
Yep, that's me :)

DEATH_INC.

6th February 2011, 11:28

It was you, wasnt it? :shifty::laugh:

I love how you jumpt to answers to defend them straight away. If you come at a corner too hot, in a group of 3, then maybe these people NEED the tracktime everyone else is suggesting. It's still no excuse, even if it's a mistake the truck coming the other way will still kill ya.
Or maybe they actually had plenty of room and line of sight.....but the op knows better....

Drew

6th February 2011, 12:05

Try as I might I can only come to the conclusion that you find it perfectly acceptable that innocent people get killed by others speeding and driving/riding dangeriously. And that is what Watermelon's post was about.

While you post for entertinment others may do so for other reasons. I’m in no position to comment on Watermelon’s reason. Perhaps he may want to enlighten you. His choice not mine.

Skyryder

Keh? Where have I made it my opinion that innocent people being killed by fuckwits is acceptable?

The circumstances are totally unknown in this instance. I am simply making my objection to the tone of the thread known. For nothing more than the satisfaction of calling hypocrites just that.

george formby

6th February 2011, 12:06

Riding at 'pace' is not without risk, riding full stop isn't without risk if you want to get really picky. But riding at pace can be done safely. Even Katman admits to going over the speed limit...

:yes:

Their is always a time & place when the odds can be stacked hugely in favour of the rider to be safe if they have the knowledge to see it. Even on the clearest wide open corners with no traffic I treat the centre line as a brick wall.
I want to keep developing good habits not get lazy & develop bad ones, they catch up with you eventually.

Drew

6th February 2011, 12:07

Or maybe they actually had plenty of room and line of sight.....but the op knows better....

You are to be banned bro, accepting that there are more than one possible view point of any situation is unacceptable!

onearmedbandit

6th February 2011, 12:07

:yes:

Their is always a time & place when the odds can be stacked hugely in favour of the rider to be safe if they have the knowledge to see it. Even on the clearest wide open corners with no traffic I treat the centre line as a brick wall.
I want to keep developing good habits not get lazy & develop bad ones, they catch up with you eventually.

Agreed 100%. Especially about the centre line.

Mad-V2

6th February 2011, 12:12

:stupid: Agreed

SPman

6th February 2011, 12:41

Meh, who cares either way... Boo fucking hoo... plenty of great ways to get your kicks, bikes are just another toy. Spoken like a true muppet who doesn't get it!

Or maybe they actually had plenty of room and line of sight.....but the op knows better.... wasn't the original post about passing into oncoming traffic on a blind corner? nope - left hand corner which means riding the long way around on the outside and vehicle obscuring lines....longer exposure to potential hazards.... ..Bad habits eventually kill you - ride fast - not stupid!

MSTRS

6th February 2011, 12:48

Spoken like a true muppet who doesn't get it!

Indeed.
Actually, your avatar says it all, really. Even on a 'closed road' it's not all beer and skittles when getting along a bit...

Skyryder

6th February 2011, 20:08

Keh? Where have I made it my opinion that innocent people being killed by fuckwits is acceptable?

The circumstances are totally unknown in this instance. I am simply making my objection to the tone of the thread known. For nothing more than the satisfaction of calling hypocrites just that.

This

Originally Posted by Drew

Regurgitated, generic, politically correct rubbish. end quote

The circustances are known. They passed a vehicle on a lefthand bend. Read the original post.

Like I said speed does kill. It kills the innocent.

Skyryder

Drew

6th February 2011, 22:16

This

Originally Posted by Drew

Regurgitated, generic, politically correct rubbish. end quote

The circustances are known. They passed a vehicle on a lefthand bend. Read the original post.

Like I said speed does kill. It kills the innocent.

SkyryderOhhh, repeating yourself really gives your argument some weight!

The whole "if one person..." thing is regurgitated, and overly optimistic to the power of 1,000,000.

The first post presents one side/viewpoint of the situation. We do not know the other as the heathens are not here to explain it.

Blind corner? From where one car was sitting it prolly was.

Speed? Totally un-known.

For Christ sake man, try and accept that there MIGHT be a flip side to what is being said. That's all I have pointed out!

I am not condoning anything, just saying that hypocrisy is alive and well here on KB. For is it not written? "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone".

onearmedbandit

6th February 2011, 22:49

For is it not written? "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone".

Eh? I always thought it was 'Let he who is without weed, be the last to get stoned'. Makes more sense to me that way.

Drew

7th February 2011, 15:48

Eh? I always thought it was 'Let he who is without weed, be the last to get stoned'. Makes more sense to me that way.

Could be, was a very old book I think so might have been a bit blurry.

HenryDorsetCase

7th February 2011, 15:53

More likely they dont want to go to the track and find out they're actually pretty fucken slow, better to ride on the road and pretend they're fast

quoted for truth

onearmedbandit

7th February 2011, 16:04

quoted for truth

Yep, but not everyone wants to be a racer. Some of us know we'll never be fast enough to mix it up on the track, or even if we were money/time/dedication stop us from competing, but why should that stop us/them from enjoying our bikes on the road. Also there is a satisfaction from riding somewhere, at pace, and stopping at the destination for a chin wag, then repeat on the way home. You don't get that at the track.

Quoted because it's not quite the truth. But I'll say it again, not everyone wants to be a racer.

Coldrider

7th February 2011, 16:44

Has this thread caught up with riders concerned or is it running in a parallel universe never to be resolved?

Capt M Stubbing

7th February 2011, 17:04

Racing?
..............

Must have been timed, that means others were involved..........

huff3r

7th February 2011, 17:44

Has this thread caught up with riders concerned or is it running in a parallel universe never to be resolved?

Nah, its more of perpindicular. So it is bound to collide with them at some stage.

Kornholio

7th February 2011, 18:52

I did a fuggin MEAN wheelie up SH2 this afternoon, anyone see it? Been ages since I did proper good wheelie. It felt mint.

Push bikes don't count James :p

PrincessBandit

7th February 2011, 19:31

Did she tell you that?

She made me say that. You know what she's like. Shit.....

Woo hoo, i have mind control powers!

:yes:

I want to keep developing good habits not get lazy & develop bad ones, they catch up with you eventually.

Shame more motorists and riders don't think like that; most seem happy to just go along year after year not appearing to learn much.

For is it not written? "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone".

Go on. Book, chapter and verse please...

Drew

7th February 2011, 19:55

Has this thread caught up with riders concerned or is it running in a parallel universe never to be resolved?

You ever see anything get resolved round here man?

Drew

7th February 2011, 20:00

Go on. Book, chapter and verse please...

Book of John, chapter 8, verse seven

carbonhed

7th February 2011, 20:32

For is it not written? "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone".

I think when this was written they were actually using real stones, which tended to hurt, which could cost you your arse, so you had to be careful.

Since then every pimply knobhead has tried to use it as a get out of jail free card for whatever carnage they cause on the basis that none of the victims of said carnage was actually the baby Jesus on a bicycle and so, being flawed human beings, somehow deserved all the shit that they got and should just shut up and take it.

It's wheeled out by pinheads to try to argue that because nothing's black and white and nobody's perfect nobody can ever make any judgements on what is reasonable behaviour.

Philosophy for Shitheads 101.

davebullet

7th February 2011, 20:38

I prefer "Let he without gin, cast the first slice of lemon"

Drew

7th February 2011, 20:48

I think when this was written they were actually using real stones, which tended to hurt, which could cost you your arse, so you had to be careful.

Since then every pimply knobhead has tried to use it as a get out of jail free card for whatever carnage they cause on the basis that none of the victims of said carnage was actually the baby Jesus on a bicycle and so, being flawed human beings, somehow deserved all the shit that they got and should just shut up and take it.

It's wheeled out by pinheads to try to argue that because nothing's black and white and nobody's perfect nobody can ever make any judgements on what is reasonable behaviour.

Philosophy for Shitheads 101.Once again, somebody reads what they want from what someone else has written, and takes it completely out of context.

I'll try it one more fuckin time shall I?

The circumstances of the riders in question are unknown!

Ergo, it is impossible to judge the situation with any certainty at all.

I have suggested a couple of different possibilities that do not condone them being on the wrong side of the road, but might explain them just as well as, "the three idiots racing".

As entertaining as it has been, I think it's time I unsubscribe from this thread. There are only so many ways to say the same thing.

Peace out..... Even you hypocrites.

BoristheBiter

8th February 2011, 07:09

I think when this was written they were actually using real stones, which tended to hurt, which could cost you your arse, so you had to be careful.

.

It was written;

"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her"

watermellon

8th February 2011, 17:28

Has this thread caught up with riders concerned or is it running in a parallel universe never to be resolved?

No. Not as far as I know. It did bring one particular gobshite out of the woodwork but I suspect that was just some 15 year old kid playing on mum and dad's computer.

Thanks for the sensible replies (and by that, of course, I mean people who agree with me...).

Drew

8th February 2011, 20:35

No. Not as far as I know. It did bring one particular gobshite out of the woodwork but I suspect that was just some 15 year old kid playing on mum and dad's computer.

Thanks for the sensible replies (and by that, of course, I mean people who agree with me...).
I knew it was a bad idea to look when this came back up in "new posts".

Am I said fifteen year old godshite on mum and dad's computer?

Smifffy

9th February 2011, 13:20

Nah, its more of perpindicular. So it is bound to collide with them at some stage.

Unless one of them has a hi-vis vest....

DEATH_INC.

9th February 2011, 13:47

I knew it was a bad idea to look when this came back up in "new posts".

Am I said fifteen year old godshite on mum and dad's computer?

15? When did you grow up?

Drew

9th February 2011, 14:57

15? When did you grow up?

Had to happen some time.

AllanB

9th February 2011, 16:29

I disagree. Ruapuna is only $80 for a half day, cheaper if you're a member. It's open Tuesdays and Fridays, organising a day off work isn't that hard. Yet with all this, I know guys on 'crotch rockets' who are just not interested in going around and around a track all day. I actually enjoy it. But I also understand the enjoyment of a fast paced ride to a destination, and that's what most of these guys prefer.

Two fair points here. The problem with the track is that when you stop there is not an attractive waitress delivering your coffee/beer/insert your preferred drink.

Plus on the track the bullshit stops so you can't sit down and tell lies about how fast you were going 'after you got stuck behind those cars'.

To the OP - fair post mate - the police have SH75 noted as a well know motorcycle race course and often have mufti cars about to reign in the loonies.

watermellon

9th February 2011, 19:15

I knew it was a bad idea to look when this came back up in "new posts".

Am I said fifteen year old godshite on mum and dad's computer?

No, mate. Relax.

gatch

9th February 2011, 20:52

I head to the track so that I know I'll be faster than my mates, come time for a pub run.

Smifffy

9th February 2011, 21:01

Two fair points here. The problem with the track is that when you stop there is not an attractive waitress delivering your coffee/beer/insert your preferred drink.

You must be going to the wrong days....

DEATH_INC.

9th February 2011, 22:02

No, mate. Relax.
Must be Me then :shit:

nosebleed

9th February 2011, 22:16

Two fair points here. The problem with the track is that when you stop there is not an attractive waitress delivering your coffee/beer/insert your preferred drink.

Plus on the track the bullshit stops so you can't sit down and tell lies about how fast you were going 'after you got stuck behind those cars'.

To the OP - fair post mate - the police have SH75 noted as a well know motorcycle race course and often have mufti cars about to reign in the loonies.

Fark! Coffee enama's. You Cantab's are well 'ard.