(News) Harawira proud of nephew's protest

[EJK]

<img src="http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/20116/201102_Politics_99260_460x230.jpeg" />

"Wikitana (Wi) Popata, with his brother John, launched a protest directed at Prime Minister John Key and other dignitaries entering the marae, yelling through a loud hailer: "Why are you here? The enemy is amongst us."

Read more here: http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10704321&ref=rss

lol

[yachtie10]

I cant understand any reasonable person being proud of what they said

"He is the one responsible for stealing our lands and killing many of our rangatahi (young people),"

and we pay this tosser a lot of money

[Maha]

Its in the blood.....wankers.

[mashman]

"He is the one responsible for stealing our lands and killing many of our rangatahi (young people),"

Is he just referring to Maori when he says our? I'm starting to have my doubts.

[yachtie10]

Is he just referring to Maori when he says our? I'm starting to have my doubts.

methinks your just stirring

[mashman]

methinks your just stirring

quite the opposite. I've been in this country for just over 4 years and have seen the usual racial shit... so as is my bent, i discuss it with the Maori i meet (all 4 of them) and it would seem that their definition of "ours" goes beyond Maori alone and that land goes beyond the borders of NZ... something I expected from what I know (which isn't a lot) of their "true" culture...

[Katman]

I cant understand any reasonable person being proud of what they said



I suppose, at least he's not out there selling P to 13 years olds.

[yachtie10]

land goes beyond the borders of NZ... something I expected from what I know (which isn't a lot) of their "true" culture...


Sorry dont understand (seriously)
Are you saying they want australia included for waitangi claims

[fatzx10r]

Niggers!!!!

[nudemetalz]

Should this thread be in the Jokes section...??
I mean, who takes that Harawira seriously....

[mashman]

Sorry dont understand (seriously)
Are you saying they want australia included for waitangi claims

I didn't ask about the claims side of things, but will if I meet some of the people I spoke with next week...

I'm saying that Maori references to our, included me (white european)... and that land included the surface of the globe. I'll never know if the Harawiras feel this way without asking them :) (that would explain the white mother fucker comments from a while back, for me anyway)... just saying that based on a very few conversations I have had with the very few Maori I have met, and having stared them in the eye when having the discussion, that I see more than Maori being historic land grabbing bludgers.

[yachtie10]

I didn't ask about the claims side of things, but will if I meet some of the people I spoke with next week...

I'm saying that Maori references to our, included me (white european)... and that land included the surface of the globe. I'll never know if the Harawiras feel this way without asking them :) (that would explain the white mother fucker comments from a while back, for me anyway)... just saying that based on a very few conversations I have had with the very few Maori I have met, and having stared them in the eye when having the discussion, that I see more than Maori being historic land grabbing bludgers.

I dont see Maori as being historic land grabbing bludgers. I think most Maori are a useful part of our society. And some claims are fair enough.
but this lot take too far

[mashman]

I dont see Maori as being historic land grabbing bludgers. I think most Maori are a useful part of our society. And some claims are fair enough.
but this lot take too far

Absolutely (apart from too far). I'll hopefully find out about the claims thing... but I have a feeling I know what the answer will be :)... probably something along the lines of "protecting" the "land" from the economic world and its white (could be any colour) mother fuckers. So using my (even if incorrect) definitions for "our" and "land", I read something completely different into Wikitana Popata's message...

""He is the one responsible for stealing our lands and killing many of our rangatahi (young people)," said Mr Popata this morning. "We must become a free nation from this corrupt government... from these injustices that he's put upon our people.""

I read "our rangatahi" to include my white skinned blonde haired daughters.

I may well be wrong and he may well have just been speaking for and about Maori, but like I said, i'll never know until I get to look into his eyes, over a candle lit dinner perhaps, and ask.

[phred]

Why give racist harawiras air time. They aren't adding anything constructive to improve NZ

[imdying]

Just another brown piece of trash that needs his head inside a full bucket of water for ten minutes. He's excellent at dividing the Maori party though, need more dumb niggers like that.

[Smifffy]

It's a shame. To me I think that this type of thing:

http://news.tangatawhenua.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/PapaTeAroha1.jpg

Would do more to further their cause than the loud-hailer bullshit, but I probably just don't get the tikanga.

[imdying]

I suppose, at least he's not out there selling P to 13 years olds.Not that you know of.

They'll be fucked when the chinks take over, they'll take no shite from uppity Maoris.

[rebel]

What makes them think they will have a successful independent society?? Have they not noticed that EVERY other race on this earth flocks to the white mans land? Apart from raping this land of most native bush and animals, they had achieved NOTHING when the white man came.
Anyway...

Hone Harawira , New Zealand Member of Parliament.

On a recent trip to the U.S.A. , Maori Party M.P. Hone Harawira (alias John Hadfield, his true name, his grandfather was pakeha) was invited to address a major gathering of the American Indian Nations in Kitimat, B.C. Canada, due to his recent examples of how to inflame the Maori Indigenous situation in New Zealand ........

He spoke for almost an hour, echoing his racist mother's doomed-to-fail radical ideas for increasing any First Nation's standard of living.


At the conclusion of his speech, the tribes presented Hone with a plaque inscribed with his new Indian name - "Walking Eagle".

The proud Hone then departed with his entourage, waving to the crowd as he left.
A news reporter later asked the American Indian Chiefs how they came to select the new name given to Hone..


They explained that "Walking Eagle" is the name given to a bird so full of 5hit it can no longer fly.

[imdying]

That would be funnier if it actually happened.

[JimO]

"He is the one responsible for killing many of our rangatahi (young people),"



they are doing a pretty good job of killing their young people without John keys help

[Indiana_Jones]

Hey it's easier to blame the white man for your short-comings. Just like the Nig Nogs in Africa.

-Indy

[imdying]

they are doing a pretty good job of killing their young people without John keys helpAhhh, but the difference is, as Kahui showed us, they don't talk about it when they're killing their own young... in fact they zip up one and all so no justice can be had for anyone.

[Skyryder]

As much as I don't like Key he's had nothing to do with stealing Maori land or killing Maori people. Now if he had gone on about Maori rising unemployment he may have been more relevant. Or perhaps a protest about the $1000 fee for the white media.

Skyryder

[R6_kid]

I missed the part where John Key signed the Treaty of Waitangi, shortly after enjoying a game hunting tour - taking out young maoris with muskets that he later traded for young maori women no less.

The one true thing he said is "the enemy is among us"... yep, starting with the dick head holding the loud speaker.

[Skyryder]

they are doing a pretty good job of killing their young people without John keys help

Tastless

Skyryder

[EJK]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4620957/Maori-worst-off-in-jobless-figures

[Mungatoke Mad]

I suppose, at least he's not out there selling P to 13 years olds.Na brainwashing em instead & pushing for an apartheid state with them & their mates as sole executors of the estate.

[R6_kid]

Tastless

Skyryder

What? It's in the news at least once a month.

[oldrider]

As much as I don't like Key he's had nothing to do with stealing Maori land or killing Maori people. Now if he had gone on about Maori rising unemployment he may have been more relevant. Or perhaps a protest about the $1000 fee for the white media.

Skyryder

True!

I thought to myself, "what the fuck are they on about here", I think Hone's family have lost the plot! :weird:

He is trying to grab a bob each way and take any publicity, anyhow, anywhere, whatever!

In politics the only bad publicity is, no publicity, he (Hone) approaches every day with an open mouth and is sucking our press in big time, even though he has nothing constructive to say, they quote him and his family without question!

The wankers! :tugger:

[oldrider]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4620957/Maori-worst-off-in-jobless-figures

From my perspective that seemed like a well thought out commentary on the state of affairs facing Maori but it's not much different from what Pakeha people in the area are facing too!

I suppose to some, that labels me as some kind of biased white honky racist now! :facepalm:

[Brian d marge]

What makes them think they will have a successful independent society?? Have they not noticed that EVERY other race on this earth flocks to the white mans land? Apart from raping this land of most native bush and animals, they had achieved NOTHING when the white man came.
Anyway...

Hone Harawira , New Zealand Member of Parliament.

On a recent trip to the U.S.A. , Maori Party M.P. Hone Harawira (alias John Hadfield, his true name, his grandfather was pakeha) was invited to address a major gathering of the American Indian Nations in Kitimat, B.C. Canada, due to his recent examples of how to inflame the Maori Indigenous situation in New Zealand ........

He spoke for almost an hour, echoing his racist mother's doomed-to-fail radical ideas for increasing any First Nation's standard of living.


At the conclusion of his speech, the tribes presented Hone with a plaque inscribed with his new Indian name - "Walking Eagle".

The proud Hone then departed with his entourage, waving to the crowd as he left.
A news reporter later asked the American Indian Chiefs how they came to select the new name given to Hone..


They explained that "Walking Eagle" is the name given to a bird so full of 5hit it can no longer fly.


that was a goodun

but seriously 2 points

1. geezer got off his arse , ( pas de points to whitey )

2 has a point , Jk is , as the current prime minister , responsible for the decisions that have been made under his leadership which have and will undermine the common folk of NZ

( pas de points, to whitey )


( I some how think that hone junior doesn't actually understand what he thinks or speaks , but at least hes doing SOMETHING )

un points to the indigenous

Stephen

Stephen

[Big Col]

Seriously we cant expect much more from any of the Harawira clan, They are all poorly bred bastards with no respect for anyone or anything.

[JimO]

Tastless

Skyryder

also true comrade

[ClutchITUP]

tasteless not. that has more taste then my arse
NZ= top 3 in the world for bring up kids, until you put the maoris in there then we are near the worst. Child abuse among maoris is huge Fact
Answer = Everyone needs to pass a license test to have kids
If you have served 3yrs in jail and your going in again youll get 50$ a week to get sterilised permanately

[ac3_snow]

Why give racist harawiras air time. They aren't adding anything constructive to improve NZ

you took the words right outa my mouth,
pretty backwards that his grandfather(?) is/was white and from what I understand harawira is not his origional last name they changed it back to the maori version at some point, him being a full blooded maori and all:blink:
sorry i skipped a page didn't realise i was recounting what rebel already said

[Brian d marge]

and George from Avon-lea is doing???

greed will always corrupt , but if I had a choice , I would prefer NZ under Maori , .......puritanical white Europeans do my head in ,

If Maori ( minus underpants ) have sustainability in mind and NZ first and foremost in their agenda

I for one support them 100 percent

I would rather a Hone with NZ in his heart than Jk bankin a way

Stephen

[JimO]

and George from Avon-lea is doing???

greed will always corrupt , but if I had a choice , I would prefer NZ under Maori , .......puritanical white Europeans do my head in ,

If Maori ( minus underpants ) have sustainability in mind and NZ first and foremost in their agenda

I for one support them 100 percent

I would rather a Hone with NZ in his heart than Jk bankin a way

Stephen

maori were never a unified people and still arnt so NZ under maori would revert to tribal chaos and as far as sustainability goes hows that moa??

[Banditbandit]

Ahhh, but the difference is, as Kahui showed us, they don't talk about it when they're killing their own young... in fact they zip up one and all so no justice can be had for anyone.

I'm sorry, but wasn't Chris Kahui found Not Guilty of murdering his twin boys?

[Banditbandit]

It's a shame. To me I think that this type of thing:

http://news.tangatawhenua.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/PapaTeAroha1.jpg

Would do more to further their cause than the loud-hailer bullshit, but I probably just don't get the tikanga.

Hmmmm .. yes, I agree. And this type of thing happened all over the country, and at Waitangi ...

The media Pakeha highlighted the Hawawira family's actions - and ignored the good things - liike this, giving the country a very biased view of Waitangi Day.

[Smifffy]

Hmmmm .. yes, I agree. And this type of thing happened all over the country, and at Waitangi ...

The media Pakeha highlighted the Hawawira family's actions - and ignored the good things - liike this, giving the country a very biased view of Waitangi Day.

Agreed, although this is the first time I have seen it advertised as well as it was.

I also agree that NZ media sucks arse, which is why I now rely on KB for all my news requirements.

GAH - sorry for the thumbs down - just figured out how to remove it - it seems to be just where my mouse lands when I click out of the text box to scroll down to the submit button :facepalm: :facepalm:

[Banditbandit]

I also agree that NZ media sucks arse, which is why I now rely on KB for all my news requirements.



:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Nearly choked on my coffee at that one ...

[awayatc]

harawho?.............

[Brian d marge]

maori were never a unified people and still arnt so NZ under maori would revert to tribal chaos and as far as sustainability goes hows that moa??
And and NZ co.ltd is doing and better ...I mean I agree with what you said , but I cant see anyone stepping forth and taking ownership of NZ , ( except the Americans , Chinese etc )

Stephen

[SPman]

From my perspective that seemed like a well thought out commentary on the state of affairs facing Maori but it's not much different from what Pakeha people in the area are facing too!

I suppose to some, that labels me as some kind of biased white honky racist now! :facepalm:
Not if you are stating facts!

[SPman]

maori were never a unified people and still arnt so NZ under maori would revert to tribal chaos and as far as sustainability goes hows that moa??
So - at least they had learnt by their mistakes - it's amazing what almost starving to death does to your perceptions of what's sustainable or not.
They had finally got their shit together on sustainability.....when the Europeans arrived............:facepalm:

[SMOKEU]

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/c/c8/Bitchin_rap_nigga.jpg

[Banditbandit]

maori were never a unified people and still arnt so NZ under maori would revert to tribal chaos and as far as sustainability goes hows that moa??

Are you possibly suggesting that Pakeha New Zealanders are unified and agree on everything ?? That wouild really make me choke on my coffee ...

[JimO]

Are you possibly suggesting that Pakeha New Zealanders are unified and agree on everything ?? That wouild really make me choke on my coffee ...

not at all but europeans are able to have a stable working government and from whats happened recently in the Maori party its obvious that they will never be able to work together without self destructing

[avgas]

not at all but europeans are able to have a stable working government and from whats happened recently in the Maori party its obvious that they will never be able to work together without self destructing
Sorry man - usually your right......

But labour and national come to mind.

[JimO]

yea but labour or national would never be in the same government

[Banditbandit]

not at all but europeans are able to have a stable working government and from whats happened recently in the Maori party its obvious that they will never be able to work together without self destructing

Just like New Zealand's first post-MMP coalition Government? How about the John A Lee mess in the Labour Government? How about Muldoon's National Government demise and his calling a snap election (which he lost) ... Jim Anderton's New Labour and the destruction of the Labour Party in the 1980s ... all looks pretty self-destructive to me ...

How are those examples different from Hone and the Maori party?

[oldrider]

Just like New Zealand's first post-MMP coalition Government? How about the John A Lee mess in the Labour Government? How about Muldoon's National Government demise and his calling a snap election (which he lost) ... Jim Anderton's New Labour and the destruction of the Labour Party in the 1980s ... all looks pretty self-destructive to me ...

How are those examples different from Hone and the Maori party?

Can't quite make up my mind whether Honi is genuinely cage rattling or just dodging around on some other secret agenda!

Unfortunately it appears to be the latter and if it is, he will be doing Maori a huge disservice and only time will reveal how bad. (IMHO)

He is fast losing my appreciation of his raw but honest approach to politics.

He is all over the place like a mad woman's shit seemingly trying to milk the media attention as long as he can.

The Maori party and people deserve more loyalty and support than that which he is currently demonstrating but then again, I am not Maori nor am I a Maori party supporter. :shutup: (says it all really)

[Banditbandit]

In many ways, Hone is reflecting the feelings of many Maori Party members and supporters - we feel that the party has got too close to National and has agreed to and voted for things that have hurt Maori - and other lower socio-economic New Zealanders, such as the increase in GST ....

We did not want the Maori Party MPs to go with National - they have, and all the things we expected have come to pass ...

[oldrider]

In many ways, Hone is reflecting the feelings of many Maori Party members and supporters - we feel that the party has got too close to National and has agreed to and voted for things that have hurt Maori - and other lower socio-economic New Zealanders, such as the increase in GST ....

We did not want the Maori Party MPs to go with National - they have, and all the things we expected have come to pass ...

Just like they did with Labour! :facepalm:

[Banditbandit]

Just like they did with Labour! :facepalm:

I'm not sure what you mean ... they didn't go with Labour .. weren't part of that coalition ...

[marie_speeds]

In many ways, Hone is reflecting the feelings of many Maori Party members and supporters - we feel that the party has got too close to National and has agreed to and voted for things that have hurt Maori - and other lower socio-economic New Zealanders, such as the increase in GST ....

We did not want the Maori Party MPs to go with National - they have, and all the things we expected have come to pass ...

I believe that to be the case too. My party vote went to the Maori Party last election as a bit of strategic voting, when polls showed it was inevitable that the National Party would govern. My hope was that they would bring some sort of balance or at least some conscience objection to the policies of the National Party.... But alas such is politics....

[mashman]

Can't quite make up my mind whether Honi is genuinely cage rattling or just dodging around on some other secret agenda!

Unfortunately it appears to be the latter and if it is, he will be doing Maori a huge disservice and only time will reveal how bad. (IMHO)

that's the bit that has me "confused". It's the "mixed" messages that he's quoted to have said in the media... Culturally Maori on the one hand, and then Maori only on the other... from what little I know, that doesn't seem to stack up. I understand why Maori want the foreshore, rivers, land etc... because TPTB will take and develop the foreshore, rivers and land etc..., because someone has to own it :facepalm:, for their own gains and not for the people. I'll hang on to Hone being Culturally Maori for now and hope that his electorate aren't pro-Maori over pro-people... otherwise that makes Hone and his Maori constituents no different to National and Labour.

[Banditbandit]

It's the "mixed" messages that he's quoted to have said in the media...

That's the important bit - the media edit what he says and present it in the most sensational ways ....

I watched TV1 news last night and thought "What they hell do middle class white men know about Maori politics and how are they qualified to comment?"

[Bald Eagle]

That's the important bit - the media edit what he says and present it in the most sensational ways ....

I watched TV1 news last night and thought "What they hell do middle class white men know about Maori politics and how are they qualified to comment?"

Maori Politics ?
Do you mean the same as Female Politics, Rugby Politics, Cricket Politic.

The New Zealand Political system ( as in government ) ain't any particular colour last time I looked.

[Banditbandit]

Maori Politics ?
Do you mean the same as Female Politics, Rugby Politics, Cricket Politic.

The New Zealand Political system ( as in government ) ain't any particular colour last time I looked.

Yeeesss ... errrr ... not quite what I mean ... How power operates (politics) is different in different cultures. In a way Hone pisses me off because he is good at using the Maori cukltural forms of power when it suits him and then the Pakeha form of power when that suits him .. he goes on about the Maori party and following tikanga .. but then goes running to the party's constitution with lawyers when that suits him ...

Our Westminster-style democracy is not a Maori way of exercising power and Parliament is nowhere close to tikanga. Within iwi and other Maori groups (and I don't mean Runanga, as they are a Pakeha constructyin not a Maori construction) power is exercised in ways different to our overall system. One of the tensions for the Maori party is this difference .. and Tariana being questioned recently about her regular consultation with Iwi leaders and how that affects the Maori Party, is a good example. Tariana feels she is answerable to her people, a Maori approach, but the news interviewer was expecting her to be answerrable to her party - We don't see the two ideas in conflict, but trhe Pakeha interviewer did ...

I had some doubts about a Maori Party in a power structure that is foreign to our culture - and now we are seeign the results.

[mashman]

That's the important bit - the media edit what he says and present it in the most sensational ways ....

I watched TV1 news last night and thought "What they hell do middle class white men know about Maori politics and how are they qualified to comment?"

But it isn't "just" what the media print. One of the things i've noticed about Maori language, i'm not having a go by any means, is that it seem to refer to "us" and "our" a lot... unfortunately this is taken out of context, imho, to mean Maori people only (i'm sure sometimes it is)... Perhaps a slight adjustment of language for the media might help, dunno, but Hone's language just seems Maori centric and to hell with the rest of the white mofo's (the same white mofo's, red/blue, that I have a similar contempt for, I hope :yes:). I may be way off base, and there are those on KB that have and will argue the opposite... something else I have to read :yes: which could "potentially" change my opinion towards the Maori party.

I'm one of them thar middle class white folk and know nothing about Maori politics. My reason. If their culture is so people focussed, I "shouldn't" need to. Same can be said for anyone voting for National/Labour/Greens etc... and their voting electorate... some will pay more attention than others, some will just vote for the party that cuts taxes :).

[Bald Eagle]

Thanks for clarifying that. So this is what happens when people try to have a bob each way.

Unfortunately ( or not depending on your point of view ) this may have wider consequences in the damage it does to MMP as a concept.

Look for a single party government in November, as the various minor players fail to hold any sort of balance of power.

[onearmedbandit]

My perspective? Hone is a racist and I don't want him anywhere near any form of power.

[Bald Eagle]

My perspective? Hone is a racist and I don't want him anywhere near any form of power.

'cept maybe 240volts

[Banditbandit]

But it isn't "just" what the media print. One of the things i've noticed about Maori language, i'm not having a go by any means, is that it seem to refer to "us" and "our" a lot... unfortunately this is taken out of context, imho, to mean Maori people only (i'm sure sometimes it is)... Perhaps a slight adjustment of language for the media might help, dunno, but Hone's language just seems Maori centric and to hell with the rest of the white mofo's (the same white mofo's, red/blue, that I have a similar contempt for, I hope :yes:). I may be way off base, and there are those on KB that have and will argue the opposite... something else I have to read :yes: which could "potentially" change my opinion towards the Maori party.

There are different words in te reo Maori all meaning "us" .. one word means "us" but excludes the listener/s and a different word means "us" and includes the listeners .. trying to translate this concept into English creates problems ...

Hone is Maori-centric - always has been. But that doesn't mean he excludes other cultures or people.


I'm one of them thar middle class white folk and know nothing about Maori politics. My reason. If their culture is so people focussed, I "shouldn't" need to.

Yes, many of us would agree. Howevfer, we also feel, that after 200 years in this country, the European-descent population could at least have the courtesy to learn - we have learnt theirs .. (and yes, I know you weren't born here and have only been here a short time - not getting at you personally).


Same can be said for anyone voting for National/Labour/Greens etc... and their voting electorate... some will pay more attention than others, some will just vote for the party that cuts taxes :).

Yes ..


My perspective? Hone is a racist and I don't want him anywhere near any form of power.

I can see that - and I agree with you. Hone probably does too ... we are all racist in our heads to some degree ... it's how we act on that or not that is the important part ...

And no, I don't hate our European-descent peoples - I profoundly dislike a different group and for different reasons ... I just don't act on those thoughts ...

[oldrider]

I'm not sure what you mean ... they didn't go with Labour .. weren't part of that coalition ...

Hmmm, I didn't mean in an MMP government coalition, I was referring to the way Maori in general sucked up to the Labour party for all those years since Labours inception and it did them no good whatsoever!

Labour just took them for granted and gave them crums to keep their loyalty!

I personally was pleased to see the advent of the Maori party and the anticipation of more Maori participation in the running of the country, instead of hanging behind the anonymity and oppressive skirt of Labour!

I was also hoping that Honi's behaviour was simply raw political naivety as Maori individuals forged their way into the political arena but I fear that Honi has another hidden agenda!

It appears that Honi may sink or cripple the ship of Maori politics and set them back another decade or two, personally I hope not!

Then again, nobody said it would be easy! :oi-grr:

[mashman]

There are different words in te reo Maori all meaning "us" .. one word means "us" but excludes the listener/s and a different word means "us" and includes the listeners .. trying to translate this concept into English creates problems ...

Hone is Maori-centric - always has been. But that doesn't mean he excludes other cultures or people.


:rofl: naaar really :)... I guess people have to be open to listening too, or at least be willing to seek clarification. I got it within 30 seconds of my first with Maori conversation (although "us" was conveyed to me as EVERYONE on the planet). After that I found I had more in common with Maori philosophy than any other culture i've encountered so far...

To that end, Hone needs to "change". I "understand" that he's protecting his culture etc... but it's not good enough to focus on one group where the culture seems to "religiously demand" the other... otherwise it's just the same as National and the business crowd... such a narrow focus will leave the door open for racism (eye of the beholder I know) and dishonesty, or even party infighting :).



Yes, many of us would agree. Howevfer, we also feel, that after 200 years in this country, the European-descent population could at least have the courtesy to learn - we have learnt theirs .. (and yes, I know you weren't born here and have only been here a short time - not getting at you personally).


I guess that's where the problem starts. From the little i know (broken record), Maori would not enforce their way of life on people, as it's not the Maori way? Non-Maori learning Maori ways is all fine and well in terms of situational respect due and I wholly agree that Non-Maori should make more effort to learn/understand the etiquette when confronted with that sort of cultural situation... just as wearing black for funerals is generally a sign of respect, suits to work etc... however, until that time I doubt i'll go out of my way to learn/understand all of the customs...

If Hone's racist, it would be better that he just came out and said it. I have racist friends and can understand their reasoning for it, even though I don't particularly like their attitude and to that end I'd probably get a cleare understanding of his "flip-flopping" between Maori only and Non-Maori "ways".

[marie_speeds]

Non-Maori learning Maori ways is all fine and well in terms of situational respect due and I wholly agree that Non-Maori should make more effort to learn/understand the etiquette when confronted with that sort of cultural situation... just as wearing black for funerals is generally a sign of respect, suits to work etc... however, until that time I doubt i'll go out of my way to learn/understand all of the customs...

Funny you should say that.... a friend who teaches the Maori language at night classes tells me that the majority of her classes are made up Maori and surprisingly new immigrants. And I quote " we don't get many Kiwi's except for Maori but we have heaps of British, American, Canadian, European, South African and even Asians on our courses all wanting to learn Maori ".....

Then again some white friends of mine once told me to not put an umbrella up in the house and I laughed, put it up anyway and then stepped outside. FFS I wasn't about to get my hair wet it turns into uncontrollable curls in the rain. LOL.

Guess that makes me just like you when it comes to other's culture :laugh: Is it laziness and ignorance or is it because we just don't give a rat's arse?

[mashman]

Funny you should say that.... a friend who teaches the Maori language at night classes tells me that the majority of her classes are made up Maori and surprisingly new immigrants. And I quote " we don't get many Kiwi's except for Maori but we have heaps of British, American, Canadian, European, South African and even Asians on our courses all wanting to learn Maori ".....

Then again some white friends of mine once told me to not put an umbrella up in the house and I laughed, put it up anyway and then stepped outside. FFS I wasn't about to get my hair wet it turns into uncontrollable curls in the rain. LOL.

Guess that makes me just like you when it comes to other's culture :laugh: Is it laziness and ignorance or is it because we just don't give a rat's arse?

Coz the learn it at school?

don't knock the dragged through a hedge backwards look... it works :)

For me it's the rats arse. I have my own culture, laziness and ignorance :). People are people.

[avgas]

There are different words in te reo Maori all meaning "us" .. one word means "us" but excludes the listener/s and a different word means "us" and includes the listeners .. trying to translate this concept into English creates problems ...
You think that's bad. The English version is worse.
At least that is what the rest of us think.

[SMOKEU]

I'll be sad to see Hone go, he's such a crack up and brings some much needed humour to parliament.

[Brian d marge]

You think that's bad. The English version is worse.
At least that is what the rest of us think.

How about in Japanese where the personal pronoun isnt used , its there but one "must read the air!" and in fact the whole process of trying to guess the others feeling BEFORE you speak

well a white puritanical Londoner , finds it ( this listening thing ) quite difficult

Be interesting to have a look at Maori culture , now that I have ten years of a very Zen culture behind me

Stephen

[Bald Eagle]

I'll be sad to see Hone go, he's such a crack up and brings some much needed humour to parliament.

We won't miss him , there'll still be over 100 of them left