If hi-vis jacket/vests are made compulsory, will you comply?

[Bassmatt]

Seems to be some conjecture as to Hi Vis apparel being made compulsory , if so watcha gonna do?

[steve_t]

Will non-compliance carry demerits or just fines? :innocent:

[lone_slayer]

Its the NZ police your talking about they are more likely to take your bike away for 30 days :bye:

[Elysium]

Don't see how they will save lives if drivers can't even "see" your headlights. Drivers simply need to stop being lazy and make an effort to look around them, that will also make things better for the push bikers who too often end up riding into a cars opening door.

Of course bikers also need to be aware of their surroundings and potential hazards.

[Maha]

No harm or shame in wearing a fluro jacket.
If you are a first time track day rider (at some events) you HAVE to wear one, does anyone argue the point then?....nope, they get on with it.

[Bassmatt]

Im currently riding a fully faired shiny lime green Kwaka, if they cant see that I dont think a vest is going to help.

[miloking]

No harm or shame in wearing a fluro jacket.
If you are a first time track day rider (at some events) you HAVE to wear one, does anyone argue the point then?....nope, they get on with it.

Realy? i have been to few trackdays and none ever wanted hi-viz vest only 1pc leathers and back protector ...

and no harm?

it flaps around in a wind, gets stuck on things, gets even hotter than just jacket in summer and incredibly annoying when wet in a rain...

and no shame?

realy i dont want to look like road worker, or cop!....also i dont ride black bike, wearing black gear and black helmet to put stupid useless floro vest over it!

[Tink]

Seems to be some conjecture as to Hi Vis apparel being made compulsory , if so watcha gonna do?


I SEE constantly bikers (pedal power) at between 6am and 7am... on the road, with NOTHING ...no lights, no viz... zip.

I wear one at that hour of the morning, plus my jacket has reflectors, but I won't be told to wear one in the middle of the day... if my horn & headlight don't work, what makes a viz any better. You want to be seen then drive a friggen truck its the only thing that seems to work these days.

Its all about too many bad drivers / riders!

[Maha]

A fluro vest wont even save you on a building site, you have to wear one along with steel cap boots and a hard hat, but if you slip and fall 4-5 stories out a a hole were a window is ment to be, chances are you will die.
In most cases, it is up to you save your own arse by being vigilant.
A FLURO VEST WILL NOT SAVE YOUR LIFE.
Its that simple.
For anyone to suggest otherwise is ludicrous.

[Maha]

Realy? i have been to few trackdays and none ever wanted hi-viz vest only 1pc leathers and back protector ...

and no harm?

it flaps around in a wind, gets stuck on things, gets even hotter than just jacket in summer and incredibly annoying when wet in a rain...

and no shame?

realy i dont want to look like road worker, or cop!....also i dont ride black bike, wearing black gear and black helmet to put stupid useless floro vest over it!

Whats a floro vest?
I can only imagine that its has something to do with plants, in which case that would be shamefull.

[steve_t]

Whats a floro vest?
I can only imagine that its has something to do with plants, in which case that would be shamefull.


A fluro vest wont even save you

If you want to get technical, you should probably write fluoro as in short for fluorescent :innocent::drinkup:

[nodrog]

....A FLURO VEST WILL NOT SAVE YOUR LIFE.....

So what is the point of wearing one then?

Fanny.

[Katman]

I'm interested to know what MAG-NZ and BRONZ's stance would be if they did try to make them compulsory.

[miloking]

If you want to get technical, you should probably write fluoro as in short for fluorescent :innocent::drinkup:

haha...

WIN :D

[Genestho]

Seems to be some conjecture as to Hi Vis apparel being made compulsory , if so watcha gonna do?

:facepalm: Before we get our panties in a bunch...there is no legislative move to make Hi Vis compulsory, there was wide open opportunity to do so last year and in consultations the year before - where it could've but didn't happen. As said in a previous thread...

http://www.transport.govt.nz/saferjourneys/frequentlyaskedquestions/Pages/Motorcycleandmopedsafety-FAQs.aspx

To quote..

Action – Promote the benefits of high-visibility and protective clothing

[been_there]

There is no option for - Like fuck

[Fatt Max]

For me it's not a case of having to comply, its a case of logistics.

At this point in time, Team NZ do not have a spare spinnaker in a high viz colour so I cant make me one.

Until they do I shall have to continue wearing my reflective arse shield, which can be seen from the moon. Those aerial shots in National Geographic that you think is the Great Wall of China is in fact my arse crack.

[Maha]

So what is the point of wearing one then?

Fanny.

Incase you get caught short at a gay bar where a Village People tribute band a playing....:rockon:

[Fatt Max]

Incase you get caught short at a gay bar where a Village People tribute band a playing....:rockon:

......and what the fuck is your problem with Y M C A ? Did I or did I not see you do the actions to that song at a Mobil servo in Tokoroa in November..? Dont try and deny it sweetie....

[nodrog]

Incase you get caught short at a gay bar where a Village People tribute band a playing....:rockon:

I frequent a few "Gay" bars every now and then, and I have never seen one yet :scratch:

Fanny.

[Spazman727]

I know from first hand experience that they don't make a difference.
I was wearing a full on big orange construction jacket on the bike over my bike jacket 'cos it was raining and I thought this big fuck off jacket would not only keep the rain off on the way to work but also that it would make me more visible. Apparently not. It was huge, bright orange and covered in flouro shit and in the middle of a roundabout some fucker decides he wants the bit of road I'm on and comes into the roundabout from the left just after I enter. Fortunately for me It was one of the first times I'd ridden in the rain and was being super careful. If not it would have probably been curtains. If a massive bright orange jacket doesn't do anything to make you more visible, useless cunts in cages wont see anything.
To answer the question, I guess I would wear a vest if it was the law. but what a stupid, useless, money grubbing law.

[Fatt Max]

I frequent a few "Gay" bars every now and then, and I have never seen one yet :scratch:

Fanny.

Not seen a lot of fanny in any of the gay bars I been in to......erm....to change light bulbs.....and do general maintenance......not to meet people......erm.....oh fuck it...

[Maha]

......and what the fuck is your problem with Y M C A ? Did I or did I not see you do the actions to that song at a Mobil servo in Tokoroa in November..? Dont try and deny it sweetie....

.....it got interesting when you started singing 'In the Gravy'....:sick:

[Fatt Max]

I know from first hand experience that they don't make a difference.

Yep, 100% agree.

I shagged some tart at a bus stop back in London and I was wearing my work vis vest. It didnt stop me from getting a dose of galloping knob rot that made me wish I was a woman.

So yeah, viz vests are fucking useless

[Foxzee]

For me it's not a case of having to comply, its a case of logistics.

At this point in time, Team NZ do not have a spare spinnaker in a high viz colour so I cant make me one.

Until they do I shall have to continue wearing my reflective arse shield, which can be seen from the moon. Those aerial shots in National Geographic that you think is the Great Wall of China is in fact my arse crack.

ROFL...the first thing that came to my mind on reading this was the "Burmuda Triangle"...anyone doing a U Turn on you would disappear!

[Fatt Max]

ROFL...the first thing that came to my mind on reading this was the "Burmuda Triangle"...anyone doing a U Turn on you would disappear!

......up my arse.....

[Foxzee]

......up my arse.....

Yes!...I didn't want to redeem your best feature on a public forum....LOL:shit:

[Indiana_Jones]

Ban Bikes.

-Indy

[tri boy]

I'm interested to know what MAG-NZ and BRONZ's stance would be if they did try to make them compulsory.

Nobody gives a toss what your interested in.

[baptist]

Yep, 100% agree.

I shagged some tart at a bus stop back in London and I was wearing my work vis vest. It didnt stop me from getting a dose of galloping knob rot that made me wish I was a woman.

So yeah, viz vests are fucking useless

:sick:argh that is an image I do not want in my mind...:puke:


I know from first hand experience that they don't make a difference.
I was wearing a full on big orange construction jacket on the bike over my bike jacket 'cos it was raining and I thought this big fuck off jacket would not only keep the rain off on the way to work but also that it would make me more visible. Apparently not. It was huge, bright orange and covered in flouro shit and in the middle of a roundabout some fucker decides he wants the bit of road I'm on and comes into the roundabout from the left just after I enter. Fortunately for me It was one of the first times I'd ridden in the rain and was being super careful. If not it would have probably been curtains. If a massive bright orange jacket doesn't do anything to make you more visible, useless cunts in cages wont see anything.
To answer the question, I guess I would wear a vest if it was the law. but what a stupid, useless, money grubbing law.

I had a guy turn into me while I was stationary at some lights (he was moving so slowly I pulled my bike out of the way!!!), I was wearing one and sitting three feet from his window... he even came past me to get in the car... still never saw me.

If people are not looking for bikes in the first place I am not sure they help, however I always wear one in low light conditions or rain etc. as any help is valuable then.

[steve_t]

Yep, 100% agree.

I shagged some tart at a bus stop back in London and I was wearing my work vis vest. It didnt stop me from getting a dose of galloping knob rot that made me wish I was a woman.

So yeah, viz vests are fucking useless

Don't be a fool, wrap your tool :sunny:

[monkeymcbean]

A FLURO VEST WILL NOT SAVE YOUR LIFE.
Its that simple.
For anyone to suggest otherwise is ludicrous.

Your opinion? proof please, studies/statistics anything to back yourself up, this will be required if you want to stop this requirement going through as law which has been rumoured in the past.
There must have been a overseas study done somewhere.

[monkeymcbean]

I know from first hand experience that they don't make a difference.
I was wearing a full on big orange construction jacket on the bike over my bike jacket If a massive bright orange jacket doesn't do anything to make you more visible, useless cunts in cages wont see anything.
To answer the question, I guess I would wear a vest if it was the law. but what a stupid, useless, money grubbing law.

Oh, and orange one! I would try to run you over too, every time a see a orange one it just gets me all angry.

[Berries]

Oh, and orange one! I would try to run you over too, every time a see a orange one it just gets me all angry.
I can't see orange ones. My favourite Smartie colour, but fluoro vests just don't stand out like they did when they were yellow.

Haven't voted. No option for get a big black dog up you.

[scumdog]

A FLURO VEST WILL NOT SAVE YOUR LIFE.
Its that simple.


I can understand how you can prove that I guess..

But how can anybody prove otherwise?:shutup:

[blackdog]

My thoughts at this time.

There is no way of making viz vests compulsary at this point without also making ATGATT a legal requirement at the same time.

I mean, hi viz aint gonna keep ya alive when you are wearing shorts and jandals!

[Gremlin]

If it was law, then yes, I would probably wear.

However, for it to be law, the vest would have to be defined. Reflective strips? Much of our gear already has all that.

[Maha]

Your opinion? proof please, studies/statistics anything to back yourself up, this will be required if you want to stop this requirement going through as law which has been rumoured in the past.
There must have been a overseas study done somewhere.

I dont have to provide you with anything other than my own personal opinion and the way I view things. If you wish to read my own personal views and disagree with them then thats up to you. Its a online forum.

[Voltaire]

I wear one mainly around Auckland, anything to help the visually and mentally impaired keep away from me.
I'd prefer one of those banned laser pointer with voice activation mounted on my helmet....that would work for me.
Look , aim, blast....would be awesome.:woohoo:

Reason why they would go for Visy Vests:

1: cheap
2: readily available
3: instant results of " look we're doing something"
4: much easier than driver training.

[Swoop]

Point #1. If any government attempts to make hi-viz mandatory, they would have to do so for all road users on 2-wheels (essentially cyclists as well at motorcyclists) if they had genuine concern over safety.

Point #2. Making a piece of flimsy fabric mandatory over decent gear (e.g. gloves, jackets, trousers or boots) would be a "bit odd".


The mentality of "the fluoro vest of invincibility" is endemic in society now, so fatalities will continue.

[Katman]

Point #1. If any government attempts to make hi-viz mandatory, they would have to do so for all road users on 2-wheels (essentially cyclists as well at motorcyclists) if they had genuine concern over safety.

Point #2. Making a piece of flimsy fabric mandatory over decent gear (e.g. gloves, jackets, trousers or boots) would be a "bit odd".


The mentality of "the fluoro vest of invincibility" is endemic in society now, so fatalities will continue.

Do you really think the government make decisions based on 'common sense'?

[Swoop]

Do you really think the government make decisions based on 'common sense'?
It hasn't happened yet, but I live in hope...

[mashman]

No, stupid idea.

[MarkH]

I voted 'yes' - if they make it compulsory then I'll wear one. If they stay optional then no, I fuckin' won't!

I have my headlight on when riding (as per the law) and I wear a white helmet - if someone can't see me then it is because they aren't fuckin' looking, nothing to do with my lack of hi-viz vest!

[avgas]

NEVER!

My helmet is black.
My Jacket is ONLY black.
I wear black pants or jeans.
I wear black boots.

and I NEVER use my horn.

So what the fuck is hi-viz going to do for me?
Why not some bubble wrap while your at it.

[scumdog]

NEVER!

My helmet is black.
My Jacket is ONLY black.
I wear black pants or jeans.
I wear black boots.

and I NEVER use my horn.

So what the fuck is hi-viz going to do for me?
Why not some bubble wrap while your at it.

You forgot to add:
My headlight is always OFF.

[MadDuck]

....if they come with tassles and a HD logo then most probably :shutup:

[steve_t]

Maybe we could get headight modulators legalised. I saw a group of riders on the weekend and the bike with the modulator really stood out :yes:

[avgas]

You forgot to add:
My headlight is always OFF.
haha no the headlight is on, on my bike.
Its one of the few electrics that work on my bike.

Good think the brakes work on it now.......

[avgas]

....if they come with tassles and a HD logo then most probably :shutup:
tassles are made out of hide.

the term you are looking for is "Streamers"

[DEVVIL]

....if they come with tassles and a HD logo then most probably :shutup:

That can be arranged but you have to wear it......:cool:

[pritch]

There must have been a overseas study done somewhere.

There was one done in the USA some years ago and that indicated that the drivers only registered things they percieved as threats: cops and Hell's Angels etc.

Some of them can't even manage that, the president of the local 1%ers was T boned by a woman driver so...

[R-Soul]

tassles are made out of hide.

the term you are looking for is "Streamers"

Does making it out of hide make it less ghey?

[rphenix]

A fluro vest wont even save you on a building site, you have to wear one along with steel cap boots and a hard hat, but if you slip and fall 4-5 stories out a a hole were a window is ment to be, chances are you will die.
In most cases, it is up to you save your own arse by being vigilant.
A FLURO VEST WILL NOT SAVE YOUR LIFE.
Its that simple.
For anyone to suggest otherwise is ludicrous.

+1 Enter more text here.

[monkeymcbean]

I dont have to provide you with anything other than my own personal opinion and the way I view things. If you wish to read my own personal views and disagree with them then thats up to you. Its a online forum.

And I did, because when you quote things like "For anyone to suggest otherwise is ludicrous" sounds pretty strong and sounds like you are a expert on the subject, so I was just curious if you had anything to back your statement up. No biggie really.

[R-Soul]

I would be more amendable to reflective strips - at least they make sense at night. In teh day, when the cardoesn't see a 200kg bike with a headlight, I am not sure that it will make a difference. Having said that, I wear it anyway. If it helps once, it was worth it.

[avgas]

Does making it out of hide make it less ghey?
Actually I was thinking bright colors. Metallics etc

I don't know if honda still do the ghey color scheme.

[mattian]

I wear a vest when visibility is going to be poor, ie dark cloudy days, dusk or dawn especially if I am going to riding in heavy traffic conditions. I do NOT believe it should be made law, simply for the fact that if you saturate the roads with people wearing high-vis then drivers will simply become numb the sight of it and it won't make any difference.
Personally I don't think they will make it law. If anything, they will make wearing proctective clothing law before they make high vis vests.
I see so many scooter riders in shorts, t-shirts and barely legal helmets. Will making them wear vests make any difference when they come off?

Also. In the event that I do get taken out by a blind cager, while wearing a high vis vest, the SMIDSY argument just won't add up in front of the judge.

[Coldrider]

Movement also attracts the human eye.

[Smifffy]

Have to wear hi vis going thru the gate at work, so I when I go in on the scoot, I throw one over the top of my gears.

Once on I tend to forget I'm even wearing it, even did a large cruise with it on, after stopping in at work just briefly.

I believe that hi viz vests have their uses, but it really does seem these days that they are considered an easy fixit to many safety problems without actually addressing the safety problem itself.

If I worried about other people thinking I look like a dork, then I'd never leave the house. :sunny:

[sAsLEX]

There was one done in the USA some years ago and that indicated that the drivers only registered things they percieved as threats: cops and Hell's Angels etc.

Some of them can't even manage that, the president of the local 1%ers was T boned by a woman driver so...

Ironically bikes and trains suffer the same problem in that people cannot register them approaching due to their narrowness.

Weave a bit approaching an intersection and they are more likely to see you.

[caseye]

I'm interested to know what MAG-NZ and BRONZ's stance would be if they did try to make them compulsory.

Katman, as per our Mission Statement on our web site for general MAG-NZ members.

http://www.mag-nz.org/

PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT

We oppose any attempt to make the wearing of safety or conspicuous clothing compulsory.

For the record I said "NEVER", I rely on my wits and treating every other motorist (yes bikes included) as fools and idiots until I'm safely past them.
To ride with good mates who I trust is a treat these days.
Used to be the norm.
Shame.

[tri boy]

If it's raining/dark/miserable, I have a pair of bright orange leggings with reflective strips at the ankles. (same as On Track issues it's rail line workers)
Rainproof, bright as fuck, and Ican't see them unless I look down.
Vests in fine weather are a waste of time.
Vests in general are pain in the arse.
Spent $45, and get the leggings. MHO

[Motu]

My daughter made me a hi viz vest for Xmas,out of some bright material she had left over.It's cut as a suit vest,made of heavy duty denim,satin lining,fob pockets and chains...cool.I haven't worn a denim cutoff for 35 years.It's made so you can see the bright stuff while I wear my Camelback.Not over the top,and the small amount of orange is quite effective.

231397231398

[Ocean1]

My daughter made me a hi viz vest for Xmas,

Very tasteful. Aren't daughters great?

[DMNTD]

I wear one ever day when commuting in traffic. I am also well aware that it will NOT save me, however I am also well aware that anything that will help be seen by other road users in traffic will not harm my chances of not being run over...again.
I am also aware that the primary benefit from wearing a fluoro vest is actually the reflective 'tape' which obviously only works when it half light or dark.

In saying that...I will not wear one when out for a pleasure ride...ever.

[Gixxer peter]

:yes:Have never worn one...
and have had a few close calls hmmmm
as far as being ticketed for not wearing one ....
I guess that would never happen, as you will be completly invisable without one , therefore no chance being caught without one???:facepalm:

[swbarnett]

drivers will simply become numb the sight of it
They already have.


So what is the point of wearing one then?
There isn't one.


Also, there are studies that show that riders that wear Hi-Vis vests have fewer accidents. IMO they DO NOT prove that Hi-Vis vests improve a rider's safety, all they show is that Hi-Vis vest wearing riders are, generally, safer riders to begin with. In short: Correlation does not mean causation!

[mattian]

They already have.[/SIZE]

On the odd occasion, I have had cagers shout out, "WIMP".... and, "PUSSY" "WUSS"
when I have been wearing mine. So yes, they do notice it. :lol:

[burden2]

I wear one over my riding jacket most of the time anyway, not that I think it is going to save me from 99% of the retarded buttmonkeys in cars who would claim "I just didnt see the bike" but at least I get a warm glow from the feeling of doing just one small thing to help myself. And being showerproof and easily laundered it will keep the blood off my jacket when I catch up with the arsehole who has just cut me off or run me off the road and smash his face in with the front edge of my helmet (you will never ever get caught when you do that, they are obviously blind so how could they say it was you?)

[BMWST?]

is this hi viz enough?

[Spearfish]

A fluro vest wont even save you on a building site, you have to wear one along with steel cap boots and a hard hat, but if you slip and fall 4-5 stories out a a hole were a window is ment to be, chances are you will die.
In most cases, it is up to you save your own arse by being vigilant.
A FLURO VEST WILL NOT SAVE YOUR LIFE.
Its that simple.
For anyone to suggest otherwise is ludicrous.

That reminds me of a safety seminar I had to go to, the wanker from osh said there were to many injuries from guys falling onto their tool belts so the solution is to empty our tool belts on the way down should we fall, you can just imaging the start of a fall...Hmmm should I try and grab something and save my life or shit where did I put that chisel....ah there it is, biff, now the square, no lent that to, punch?....


I ride with a vest at night, only if its already on my jacket during the day.
Looking around at other riders I've noticed that if a bike has a tallish screen you can only see the helmet, side on they are visible, from the rear they loose effectiveness if there is a big pack either on a rack, or like me a backpack.
Its hard to tell how effective it is because you only know when it hasn't worked how often it has worked is anyone's guess.

[FJRider]

IMO they DO NOT prove that Hi-Vis vests improve a rider's safety, all they show is that Hi-Vis vest wearing riders are, generally, safer riders to begin with. In short: Correlation does not mean causation!

Perhaps you are closer to the truth than you realise ...

IMHO ... Safety Conscious riders stay alive ... longer ... as they give more time in thought as to how unsafe their actions could be (or seen to be) ...

AND ... if you wear a hi vis vest and ride with your headlight ON ...they cant stand up in court and say "I never saw him"

[sAsLEX]

.they cant stand up in court and say "I never saw him"

Yes they can.

And yes they will.

[rustic101]

while researching headlamp modulation.

Motorcycles in the United States since 1978 have been wired so as to operate the low-beam headlamp whenever the engine is running. This is not required by any federal regulation but rather is a matter of voluntary industry policy.

However, as increasing numbers of vehicles are equipped with daytime running lights, there is concern that the daytime-illuminated motorcycle headlamp may no longer provide a significant conspicuity benefit.

Some motorcyclists install headlamp modulators in the belief they increase motorcycle conspicuity in traffic.

[FJRider]

Yes they can.

And yes they will.

But the Man/Woman in the Judges chair may question the validity of their statements ... besides ... the headlight LAW means we ARE seen ... right ... ???

[Voltaire]

I had my visy vest on this morning, got to work in the rain and as I was turning I lost footing and the bike went down on my leg..... According to P Dath it was lack of planning, Katman would say I should have been more aware, visy was of no use.:facepalm:

[Smifffy]

But the Man/Woman in the Judges chair may question the validity of their statements ... besides ... the headlight LAW means we ARE seen ... right ... ???

I'd like to see more questioning on that:

1: I never saw him
2: Did you look?
1: yes
2: Clearly he was there then?
1: yes
2: But you never saw him?
1: no
2: ARE YOU BLIND, STUPID or LYING?

[awayatc]

Your opinion? proof please, studies/statistics anything to back yourself up, this will be required if you want to stop this requirement going through as law which has been rumoured in the past.
There must have been a overseas study done somewhere.

Yeah...coz we all know the gubbermint only wants the best for us.....

cheesecutters anyone?

[scumdog]

Looking around at other riders I've noticed that if a bike has a tallish screen you can only see the helmet, side on they are visible, from the rear they loose effectiveness if there is a big pack either on a rack, or like me a backpack.
.


I've frequently noticed that too - the hi-vis would be better off on the front fairing....or over the top-box.

[doc]

Yeah...coz we all know the gubbermint only wants the best for us.....

cheesecutters anyone?

All part of the LTSA making it safer for us . European requirements of those triangle things for when you are broken down on the side of the road are probably on their wish list too. Bet they are still trying to figure out how to get around the safety issue of number plates on the front mudguard to pay for more staff.

[Swoop]

Bet they are still trying to figure out how to get around the safety issue of number plates on the front mudguard to pay for more staff.
That is simple. They will just print the rego on the front of the rider's fluoro jacket...:shit:

[MarkH]

Looking around at other riders I've noticed that if a bike has a tallish screen you can only see the helmet, side on they are visible, from the rear they loose effectiveness if there is a big pack either on a rack, or like me a backpack.

I have a tall screen (I have to sit up very straight if I want to look over it) and I have a top box on the back. I have a headlight on and a white helmet (which would be the only part visible over the screen). So, can anyone tell me how much less likely to be in an accident I would be if I choose to wear a fluoro vest?

The white helmet is OK, it isn't any more effort to use than a black one would be.
The headlight is OK, I can't turn it off anyway.
A hi-viz vest would be another item to put on and I just can't be arsed doing that if there isn't a noticeable benefit from it, which I just don't see in my case.

My screen is an aftermarket (Givi) one and 150mm taller than the fairly tall factory screen - this works out well because I'm probably 150mm taller then the Japanese designers of my scooter. It is probably only 1/2 of my helmet that is visible over the top of the screen when I am headed towards someone. I haven't really had a lot of car drivers fail to see me and the cases it has happened they probably wouldn't have seen me if I was driving a truck (in one case I could see the driver's head through his side window and he didn't give the slightest glance in the direction of potential traffic (taxi driver!!!)).

I have driven a refrigerated truck (tall, white) and had a car start to pull out before seeing me (I wouldn't have been able to stop) so it isn't only non-threatening vehicles that car drivers can't see.

So, as I said in a previous post, unless they make it a legal requirement, I ain't wearing one!

[Smifffy]

I've frequently noticed that too - the hi-vis would be better off on the front fairing....or over the top-box.

So when they amend the law to mandate Hi-vis, they will also outlaw screens & top boxes.

Problem solved creatively & legislatively!!

[avgas]

So when they amend the law to mandate Hi-vis, they will also outlaw screens & top boxes.

Problem solved creatively & legislatively!!
Nah its just easiest to make it law that if you carrying more than 65kgs you must have an additional wheel.

FattMax would have to get training wheels.

[Usarka]

Don't forget hi-vis bikes......

[MSTRS]

Doing stuff to make motorists see us just allows the pollies to feel/look like they're doing something. It is a waste of time. And only serves to let a false sense of security creep in for many riders. We could stick a big, flashing light on a pole attached to our bikes and we still wouldn't be seen...FFS, people don't see ambulances etc now.

The problem of us apparently being hard to see is more a comment on the poor roadcraft of others. The solution is too hard for TPTB, but unless they get serious, nothing will change - it is up to us to ensure our own safety any way we can.

[Usarka]

....or compulsory spokey dokies.

[Banditbandit]

A bike went passed the other way as I was going to work this morning ... big cruiser with a big screen ... I saw the bike and the light way off ... wasn't till he was alongside and going passed that I noticed the hi-viz vest.

The vest was completely obscured by the screen and of no use from the front at all ... I'm sure the rider was unaware of how useless the jacket was from anywhere in front and he was riding along thinking how safe he was because he was visible ... :facepalm:

At least anyone coming up behind at speed would have seen him ...

[MarkH]

A bike went passed the other way as I was going to work this morning ... big cruiser with a big screen ... I saw the bike and the light way off ... wasn't till he was alongside and going passed that I noticed the hi-viz vest.

The vest was completely obscured by the screen and of no use from the front at all ... I'm sure the rider was unaware of how useless the jacket was from anywhere in front and he was riding along thinking how safe he was because he was visible ... :facepalm:

At least anyone coming up behind at speed would have seen him ...

When you consider that most accidents between cagers & bikers happen because the cagers don't see the bike approaching and the car/van/truck driver turns into the path of the bike - this makes a vest that can't be seen as the bike is approaching next to worthless.
Lucky the hi-vis vest imbues the wearer with a cloak of invincibility then or there wouldn't be any point in wearing one . . .

[Ocean1]

it is up to us to ensure our own safety any way we can.

Allow me to suggest the Ocean1 offensive driving course.


Basic ordnance supplied.


Bring your own (50cal) amunition.

[R-Soul]

I think that flouro colours dont stand out as much as a pattern that creates sharp contrasts and draws the eye. For example black and white stripes, or a pattern like those black and white spiral ones that confuse the eye.

[R-Soul]

When you consider that most accidents between cagers & bikers happen because the cagers don't see the bike approaching and the car/van/truck driver turns into the path of the bike - this makes a vest that can't be seen as the bike is approaching next to worthless.
Lucky the hi-vis vest imbues the wearer with a cloak of invincibility then or there wouldn't be any point in wearing one . . .

So thats why that truck bounced off me?

[Usarka]

...or compulsory chrome.....


When you consider that most accidents between cagers & bikers happen because the cagers don't see the bike approaching and the car/van/truck driver turns into the path of the bike - this makes a vest that can't be seen as the bike is approaching next to worthless.

Bang on (excuse the pun). If they can't see the light :innocent: then will they really notice a bit of fluro jacket?

[scumdog]

Bang on (excuse the pun). If they can't see the light :innocent: then will they really notice a bit of fluro jacket?

How will you know when they CAN see they jacket??

[AllanB]

I think that flouro colours dont stand out as much as a pattern that creates sharp contrasts and draws the eye. For example black and white stripes, or a pattern like those black and white spiral ones that confuse the eye.

There is an argument that if every biker wore a fluro jacket then over time drivers would not register them and keep hitting us! Then the Government will suggest we wear BLACK as a contrast ........

I am surprised that they have not introduced some form of helmet stop light requirement yet.


Or maybe a chopper guard on each motorcycle (showing my age now).

[Gremlin]

How will you know when they CAN see they jacket??
:facepalm:

Jeez mate... its obvious. When the cars haven't hit you!!

[scumdog]

:facepalm:

Jeez mate... its obvious. When the cars haven't hit you!!
Choice!

My vest has worked 189,043 times in the last three years.

That's how many cars have gone past me without hitting me so far...:woohoo:

[Gremlin]

Dang... my boots stop me counting above 10. :angry:

[scumdog]

Does making it out of hide make it less ghey?

Harley + leather tassles? - never gay, always :cool:

Hell, I'll even ride my Suzuki while wearing tassles, adds mana and coolness to an otherwise bland bike.

[Usarka]

Choice!

My vest has worked 189,043 times in the last three years.

That's how many cars have gone past me without hitting me so far...:woohoo:

You count the missed quotas???!?!?!?! :lol:

[Jonny Rotten]

im sure the cops would inforce the "hi viz vest" law with mr mongrel mob and other
motorcycle "clubs"

[bsasuper]

Pointless thread, it will never happen

[Smifffy]

im sure the cops would inforce the "hi viz vest" law with mr mongrel mob and other
motorcycle "clubs"

Reflective patches - Fuck yeah!!

[Usarka]

Reflective patches - Fuck yeah!!

Would they be legal in Wanganui???!?!?!? :sherlock:

[Berries]

Choice!

My vest has worked 189,043 times in the last three years.

That's how many cars have gone past me without hitting me so far...:woohoo:
You should get off your 6L and ride at normal speeds then. Nothing worse than bikes holding up traffic.

[Ocean1]

Would they be legal in Wanganui???!?!?!? :sherlock:

A(h)s l(h)ong a(h)s t(h)hey w(h)eren't o(h)n a(h) g(h)ang p(h)atch.

[Hitcher]

I think that the biggest problem with hi viz jackets is that people who wear them think that these make them more visible and ride accordingly. Hi viz jackets do little to improve a rider's visual impact. Most bikes obscure most of what a rider wears, and I've seen many riders wearing backpacks over their hi viz gear, completely negating its impact. The most effective thing a rider could do to improve their visual impact would be to ride naked. And that would only work until all bikers rode naked.

[Smifffy]

I think that the biggest problem with hi viz jackets is that people who wear them think that these make them more visible and ride accordingly. Hi viz jackets do little to improve a rider's visual impact. Most bikes obscure most of what a rider wears, and I've seen many riders wearing backpacks over their hi viz gear, completely negating its impact. The most effective thing a rider could do to improve their visual impact would be to ride naked. And that would only work until all bikers rode naked.

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[ac3_snow]

I'l wear a hi vis if and when, any driver who has been in any sort of accident in the last 5-10 years has a bright yellow hi vis stripe painted right around and over the top of their car.

sounds fair?


edit: I'm not disagreeing with hi vis vest as such I think they serve a great purpose, I am however disagreeing with them being compulsory.

[jafar]

I SEE constantly bikers (pedal power) at between 6am and 7am... on the road, with NOTHING ...no lights, no viz... zip.

I see them earlier than that, nearly nailed one just last week on the main highway just south of hamihole:angry:


You want to be seen then drive a friggen truck its the only thing that seems to work these days.

Car drivers can't see those either, you'd think a nice BIG white truck with a 15 metre long trailer & lit up like a xmas tree would be seen aye. You would be WRONG:facepalm:



Its all about too many bad drivers / riders!

:yes:

[Swoop]

Reflective patches - Fuck yeah!!
Now the is a conundrum for the paper-pushers and lawyers.
A reflective patch that would be required to be worn by law, that is illegal to wear in Wanganui.
I can hear the lawyer's cash register ringing already.

[Ocean1]

And that would only work until all bikers rode naked.

Oh I duno, a finer body of dudes/dudets is hard imagine, well worth a second look. <_<

[R-Soul]

Car drivers can't see those either, you'd think a nice BIG white truck with a 15 metre long trailer & lit up like a xmas tree would be seen aye. You would be WRONG:facepalm:

:yes:

Yup, as pointed out on the other thread, cars manage to "not see" 1000 ton freight trains coloured red and bright yellow, with about 1300 Watts of lighting on the front, with a hooter close to the strength of a ship's foghorn, moving on a set track, and going a lot slower than us.

If they are not going to see this, they are not going to see us. End of.

We have to rely on our own wits and nous alone - the quicker we learn t pick up tehtell tale signs of a dumbass driver, the better. Look for erratic driving, swerving, indicators being pit on and off again, front wheel movement, and ride like they are trying to kill you. Give all cars LOTS of space.

[mattian]

I know high viz works well in certain conditions. I didn't just "imagine" it one day, I learned it from experience. Sitting at the lights, rush hour traffic, middle of winter around 6.00am. Pitch black. Traffic starts moving, and suddenly, theres another biker behind me. Could barely make him out at all. Covered head to toe in black. Only reason I knew he was there is because I could pick out his headlight out of all the other headlights around me......only just.
It dawned on me. This is exactly how I must appear to other road users at this time of morning. It put the shits up me just how much I just couldnt see him properly.

[steve_t]

I know high viz works well in certain conditions. I didn't just "imagine" it one day, I learned it from experience. Sitting at the lights, rush hour traffic, middle of winter around 6.00am. Pitch black. Traffic starts moving, and suddenly, theres another biker behind me. Could barely make him out at all. Covered head to toe in black. Only reason I knew he was there is because I could pick out his headlight out of all the other headlights around me......only just.
It dawned on me. This is exactly how I must appear to other road users at this time of morning. It put the shits up me just how much I just couldnt see him properly.

Was there another biker with hi vis on next to him that you could compare visibility to? :innocent:

[mattian]

Was there another biker with hi vis on next to him that you could compare visibility to? :innocent:

Admittedly, there was not. You do make a good point.

[vifferman]

I know from first hand experience that they don't make a difference.
I was wearing a full on big orange construction jacket on the bike over my bike jacket 'cos it was raining and I thought this big fuck off jacket would not only keep the rain off on the way to work but also that it would make me more visible. Apparently not.
No. :no:
On the Mrkn VFR forum there's a Police Oroficer who was almost taken out while wearing a full fluoro yellow suit. (Car bumped him, but he was unhurt).

[bogan]

anyone watch highway patrol? some plonker tried to run, top to toe in high vis, needless to say he didn't escape their attentions :laugh:

[grbaker]

Won't make a jot of difference....

Real life example.. my ride a Suzuki GS1200SS has twin head lights and orange running lights always on.

On day I change to the left lane (slow rush hour traffic) get along side a Ford Serria (ugly thing) which flicks over to the left hand lane just as I am accelerating past the front fender. Result I scrap down her left hand fender.. almost no damage to the bike (keep it up-right too :woohoo:).

We pull over.. first thing she says..."That is your fault." (err)
Second thing she says "Why does this keep happening to me..? I just got that fixed."


I can't say I saw her indicate or checked that she checked that there was a gap for her to move into... but there wasn't cos I was in it.. She didn't look, insurance company argued that too.

Damn if I'm gonna die wearing a gay glowy orange thing around me chest. Get f'd.

[Tunahunter]

So 62.13 % of respondents replied "No" or "Never" - they are brave souls - if such a rule were imposed the beanies would be rubbing their hands together

[Maha]

So 62.13 % of respondents replied "No" or "Never" - they are brave souls - if such a rule were imposed the beanies would be rubbing their hands together

no....if such a rule/law were imposed I would get into the Hi-Viz Vest manufacturing business pronto.

[avgas]

So 62.13 % of respondents replied "No" or "Never" - they are brave souls - if such a rule were imposed the beanies would be rubbing their hands together
Yes and errr no.

.....//goes looking for total bill of billions of dollars unpaid fines in NZ//

Note they don't even enforce the "bicycle helmet" law yet. I see atleast 1 kid/adult a day without one.

They are more likely to create a law that says "you must wear appropriate clothing on a motorbike" than "you must glow like depleted uranium"

[Tunahunter]

no....if such a rule/law were imposed I would get into the Hi-Viz Vest manufacturing business pronto.

Good call mate

[Usarka]

Plenty available at NZ Safety shops they sell hundreds of thousands. Just about everyone who works outdoors or in a warehouse needs one these days.

So of course we'd stand out.

[Berries]

Plenty available at NZ Safety shops they sell hundreds of thousands. Just about everyone who works outdoors or in a warehouse needs one these days.
Tassles.

You have to look for a point of difference.

Hi-viz vest with fluoro tassles. Stamp it with Screaming Eagle and you'll retiring to some sun drenched island before you know it.

[scumdog]

Tassles.

You have to look for a point of difference.

Hi-viz vest with fluoro tassles. Stamp it with Screaming Eagle and you'll retiring to some sun drenched island before you know it.


I wear tassles,...fluero tassle are tops...

[Motu]

Chains and tassels on a fluro jacket - done.See my earlier post.Well no tassels yet,but she has other things to do to it.

[idb]

Fluoro is gay......I'm in!!!!

[Usarka]

If you "pimp" up a fluoro vest (screaming eagles, chains, studs, tassles, horesmen of the apocalypse etc) at what point does it not count as a fluro vest...?

[Motu]

The image of the fluoro vest has sure changed around here.Young guys swagger around the streets in fluoro gear...it's the new tough image.It means you have a job,a job working with the Bro's,on road construction,building construction etc.It's no longer the dorky thing to wear.

[Pixie]

If you "pimp" up a fluoro vest (screaming eagles, chains, studs, tassles, Whoresmen of the apocalypse etc) at what point does it not count as a fluro vest...?
I corrected your spelling mistake

[FJRider]

The image of the fluoro vest has sure changed around here.Young guys swagger around the streets in fluoro gear...it's the new tough image.It means you have a job,a job working with the Bro's,on road construction,building construction etc.It's no longer the dorky thing to wear.

Yep ... It's ok to wear it in the pub even ... :yes:

[Toaster]

Realy? i have been to few trackdays and none ever wanted hi-viz vest only 1pc leathers and back protector ...

and no harm?

it flaps around in a wind, gets stuck on things, gets even hotter than just jacket in summer and incredibly annoying when wet in a rain...

and no shame?

realy i dont want to look like road worker, or cop!....also i dont ride black bike, wearing black gear and black helmet to put stupid useless floro vest over it!

Agreed on all points. I appreciate why the powers that be would want us all to wear one, but it would be like driving a Ferrari around with a pink flag attached. I am against the idea.

The only time I wore one was in extremely cold wet weather in poor visibility on the desert road. I see no need to wear them in daylight and in good weather.

If drivers can't see us, they need to lose their licence and start again.

[scumdog]

Yep ... It's ok to wear it in the pub even ... :yes:


Sadly some wear it as a fashion statement...:blink:

[FJRider]

Sadly some wear it as a fashion statement...:blink:

Well ... :blink: ummmm ... :shutup: a statement anyway :YES: .... One I'm sometimes ... not sure I really want to hear ... :facepalm:

[Smifffy]

Tassles.

You have to look for a point of difference.

Hi-viz vest with fluoro tassles. Stamp it with Screaming Eagle and you'll retiring to some sun drenched island before you know it.

Reflective patches - fuck yeah!

I thought I was having a deja vu moment, but then I realised I've seen it all before.

[StoneY]

I'm interested to know what MAG-NZ and BRONZ's stance would be if they did try to make them compulsory.

My own personal opinion is it will never happen mate.

Cant speak for BRONZ on this issue either

I wear one sometimes, and sometimes I don't but am personally against this being made law.
I would agree with making naked skin illegal though, my own feelings on this issue.

[FJRider]

I would agree with making naked skin illegal though, my own feelings on this issue.

Although these thoughts are reasonable in theory ... I tend to support Darwins theory somewhat ... :yes:

[Smifffy]

Although these thoughts are reasonable in theory ... I tend to support Darwins theory somewhat ... :yes:

I support it wholeheartedly, except I'm also expected to bear the cost of those that don't fully understand the adapt to survive concept.

Extinction doesn't come quick enough for some, and we pay the cost of trying to ensure the survival of their species.

[thehollowmen]

Ados F2 glue and some hi vis patches will work ;-) That will be the least expensive way out.

[bombsquad]

Interesting thread here, I agree with the people saying a High vise wont make a difference. I work in the Demolition industry and we have to wear high-vis at all times, and yet the amount of time ive almost clobbered someone with the bucket of my digger cos they stand close to the machine and outside of my feild of vision is amazing. At the end of the day its up to everyone to be aware of whats going on, while we cant predict the actions of idiots on the road 90% of the time they are in their own world anyway and it wouldnt matter if you were wrapped in flashing xmas lights they still wouldnt pay attention to you.

[swbarnett]

Interesting thread here, I agree with the people saying a High vise wont make a difference. I work in the Demolition industry and we have to wear high-vis at all times, and yet the amount of time ive almost clobbered someone with the bucket of my digger cos they stand close to the machine and outside of my feild of vision is amazing.
Near where I lived in Switzerland they dug up the road to lay new pipes. There were no barriers or warning devices of any sort around the digger. The workers and public alike would walk past the digger within the range of the arm (even under it at times). Also, no hard hats or high-vis anywhere (even on a major building construction near the Basel train station). And I just had to marvel at how clean the work sites were.

The difference between us and them is that over there people are taught to look after themselves. There's no need for barriers or warnings because everybody is aware of what's going on around them.

[StoneY]

I'd like to point out why I as an individual see little value in compulsory hi viz.

Everyone from road workers to milk men and posties now wear em, thyere too common to warrant any special attention anymore

If your bike has a big screen or fairing, and a top box or a back pack on your back, its totally pointless to wear hi viz unless the view of the observer is side on to the rider

Pointless.
Utterly

Maybe on some old nude bikes with poor hreadlight power maybe there is some viability to the idea but not as compulsory accross all types of bikes.

Ask AJ turbo about the chick at the roadworks in an orange vizi vest who kept vanishing between the road cones...........

[imdying]

If it's compulsory, I'll find a set of Dianese Repsol leathers, or any one of the 'Rossi' leather sets (they all have a fluro component!), or something similar. But if I choose to ride in my black sets, then no I probably won't comply.

So a little of both.

[Daffyd]

My own personal opinion is it will never happen mate.

Cant speak for BRONZ on this issue either

I wear one sometimes, and sometimes I don't but am personally against this being made law.
I would agree with making naked skin illegal though, my own feelings on this issue.

I LOVE naked skin! :yes:

[Swoop]

If drivers can't see us, they need to lose their licence and start again.
Unfortunately far too many get their scratch-and-win licence before being capable... and then fail to do any further training because they (in their own words) "are a good driver".:facepalm:

I would agree with making naked skin illegal though
:gob:
What will the porn industry do then???:facepalm:

[StoneY]

I LOVE naked skin! :yes:

I will rephrase - Naked skin on a road travelling PTW (Powered Two Wheeled) vehicle

Not meant to take away anyones fetishes or lonely night video's by any means!

[Daffyd]

I will rephrase - Naked skin on a road travelling PTW (Powered Two Wheeled) vehicle

Not meant to take away anyones fetishes or lonely night video's by any means!

Oh, that's different, then.

[avgas]

fluero tassle are tops...
We have discussed this already.
They are called "STREAMERS"
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[scumdog]

We have discussed this already.
They are called "STREAMERS"
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There's a woman down here who has them on each side of her helmet.:shutup:

[avgas]

There's a woman down here who has them on each side of her helmet.:shutup:
NEVER EVER piss her off

[Berg]

Already ride with a fluro yellow Teknic jacket yet cage drivers still manage to pull out in front of me or cut me off. I can't see making it compulsary making too much difference.

[reemit]

The image of the fluoro vest has sure changed around here.Young guys swagger around the streets in fluoro gear...it's the new tough image.It means you have a job,a job working with the Bro's,on road construction,building construction etc.
The missus has made it compulsory already after reading this post, so WTF.:facepalm:

[steve_t]

The missis has made it compulsory already after reading this post, so WTF.:facepalm:

Kwapissshhh :innocent:

[XJ75029R]

In heavy traffic like the daily commute, I have a flouro jacket, the missus says it can bee seen for miles, I also have a black with red jacket, this also stands out. My totaly black jacket gets used more on long runs. Its personal choice, you make the decission.

[swbarnett]

the missus says it can bee seen for miles,
I suspect that's only because she's looking for it.

[schrodingers cat]

Absolutely I will wear one.
Since the school children market is now at saturation point and everyone has flouro on their dangerous propellers we have a duty to support the safety industry and keep the fear mongers in a job.
They better be imported shit too - no way I'd support local manufacturing