Huntly teenagers plead guilty to setting cats on fire

[John]

What the fuck is going on two little shits light kittens on fire, now thats fucken pathetic - I hope they fucken get their just deserts, I for one will cover them in petrol and light them on fire, then piss on them to put it out so they can live with the shame. See how they like it.

I just saw this on nightline more here: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10331688

Yes I like animals like I'm sure the rest of you do, but this is just fucken sick and shows how pathetic people are, what makes it worse is they lit them on fire and took off, if your going to do something faggoty like that make sure you have the balls to look at the results.

[Skunk]

"Yeah bro, but I was under the influence when I did it"

Of what? Terminal stupidity? :mad:

[NC]

You gotta be pretty fucked up to pull shit like that off.

[SuperDave]

That's just fucken sick. I am glad they are getting charged.

[SlashWylde]

That is some sick fuckin shit right there. Fuckin little neanderthal mother fuckin Rarrhhhh!

I hope they get thrown in jail and someone bigger and uglier than them rapes them up the ass till they bleed to death. See how they like being picked on by someone with all the power in the scenario. Blight on scociety, waste of fuckin honest taxpayers money. Yeah, cause it costs a good $57,000 to keep an inmate in jail for a year. That's more than I earn in a year!

[NotaGoth]

absolutely disguisting.

I remember once seeing on the tv this guy was strapping explosives to ducks and blowing them up.
Punishment wasn't nearly enough.

Will be interesting to see what happens over this one.

[John]

The sad thing is they will get off on bail or something lame and go move onto more interesting things fucken pathetic land, let god flood it again I will happily die knowing dicks like this will be gone for a short while.

[NotaGoth]

darrrrrrrrrrrrrrhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

[LB]

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This is absolutely abhorrent. I can't even imagine how a mind could begin to think up something as horrible as this. Little shits.
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[placidfemme]

What the fuck is going on two little shits light kittens on fire, now thats fucken pathetic - I hope they fucken get their just deserts, I for one will cover them in petrol and light them on fire, then piss on them to put it out so they can live with the shame. See how they like it.

I just saw this on nightline more here: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10331688

Yes I like animals like I'm sure the rest of you do, but this is just fucken sick and shows how pathetic people are, what makes it worse is they lit them on fire and took off, if your going to do something faggoty like that make sure you have the balls to look at the results.

If they were on fire I wouldn't piss on them to put them out... but I'd set them on fire just to see if I change my mind... :mad:

They proberly will only get community service... in which case I hope someone see's them and recognises them and beats the crap out them... on a daily basis... :mad:

[speedpro]

You have to take into consideration the deeper meanings and the root causes of this sort of behaviour. It's obviously a cry for help from a tormented soul which makes you wonder what the government could have done to prevent their situation from deteriorating to the point where they had to do this.

[XTC]

You have to take into consideration the deeper meanings and the root causes of this sort of behaviour. It's obviously a cry for help from a tormented soul which makes you wonder what the government could have done to prevent their situation from deteriorating to the point where they had to do this.
Tormented souls my arse.... Just dumb fuckwits having a laugh at a poor creatures expense. But hey blame the govmint if it helps YOU deal with it.

[Quasievil]

You have to take into consideration the deeper meanings and the root causes of this sort of behaviour. It's obviously a cry for help from a tormented soul which makes you wonder what the government could have done to prevent their situation from deteriorating to the point where they had to do this.

I can only hope youre taking the piss, if not your a sad little unit

[Sparky Bills]

Man there are some freaks in this world.
Hang, Draw and Quarter if you ask me!

[spudchucka]

I understand they have both pled guilty to the charges. Hopefully the sentencing judge is a cat lover and has seen their pathetic antics outside the court house played on the six o-clock news.

Personally I'm no fan of cats but no helpless creature should be tortured in that manner. Fucken sub humans should be arse fucked by a pack of Baboons.

[NC]

I understand they have both pled guilty to the charges. Hopefully the sentencing judge is a cat lover and has seen their pathetic antics outside the court house played on the six o-clock news.

Personally I'm no fan of cats but no helpless creature should be tortured in that manner. Fucken sub humans should be arse fucked by a pack of Baboons.
you'd have to paint their arses and maybe pad them, otherwise the Baboons wont "do it"

[Coyote]

absolutely disguisting.

I remember once seeing on the tv this guy was strapping explosives to ducks and blowing them up.
Punishment wasn't nearly enough.

Will be interesting to see what happens over this one.
It'll be interesting to see how lightly they get off. Since it's only cruelty to animals, they're going to get roughly 2 years at most. That women who kept all those dogs in here house under crap conditions only got 2 years, with chance of bail :no:

Killing animals like this should get life in prison. Is killing a human any different to killing any other living creature? I think not

[spudchucka]

you'd have to paint their arses and maybe pad them, otherwise the Baboons wont "do it"
Isn't it the boys that have the big colourful bums? I think just shoving a bottle of girl baboon scent up each of their backsides would get the job done.

[NC]

Isn't it the boys that have the big colourful bums? I think just shoving a bottle of girl baboon scent up each of their backsides would get the job done.
Yeah...ahem :shit:

[Fluffy Cat]

Yeah,I would be suprised if anything happens to these shit fuckers here in NZ.

[spudchucka]

Yeah,I would be suprised if anything happens to these shit fuckers here in NZ.
Personally I think they might be in for a bit of a shock come sentencing time.

[ManDownUnder]

I'd say a lot of this can be avoided if we taught kids to hunt, shoot and kill at a young age. Teach them the reality of killing things, the horrors of injuring something instead of a clean kill, and install that respect for the animal.

... I think the shooters among us would understand, and I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Damned video games teaching people to shoot rape and run riot are warping and rotting the brains of our kids and they're growing up with a blood lust that is only satisfied with ever higher "shock value". They start off doing stuff on the TV, head to blowing up ducks, burning animals alive etc and have absolutely NO empathy for the animal.

I'd like to know if there is a way to help them understand what they're really doing - to get them inside the head of their victim. At the moment it's "just a laugh" exacted in some hedonistic fit of stupidity.

Now they're of an age where their expectations and morals are set, and undoing/changing them is going to be hard, very hard.

What to do? On one hand I say throw the book at the them, and at the same time I feel very very sorry for the poor pathetic little people they're turning out to be....

MDU

[ManDownUnder]

Personally I think they might be in for a bit of a shock come sentencing time.

I hope so. I'm a fan of sentences that relate to the crime (i.e. you knick stuff off me, the court would rule I can go to your place and choose what I want in compensation.. to an equivalent value - I get paid back, and you feel violated... to see what it's like).

I think it was Judge Joe Brown that was a strong proponent of it - I loved it!

Problem is, what could you do to these little critters without dropping to their level?
MDU

[scumdog]

Aerosol can of F2 glue + cigarette lighter, a squirt in their faces and on their hands and whoomph!! - A bit of utu for the cats plus these 'struggling to be good enough for a retard' types will have a reminder of their folly for the rest of their (hopefully short) lives.

Ah well, we can all dream eh?

MDU has it right, as a hunter I am made to feel like a *social paraiah (sp) and vilified for 'killing innocent animals' but few people give a fat rats arse about mind-fucking video games that are laced with murder/rape/theft/assautl etc.


*O.K., I really don't give a fat rats arse about what the anti-hunting types think, haven't met too many that don't eat meat or use leather etc,

[ManDownUnder]

I'd suggest haivng them do community time in the burns unit at the hospital, but they'd likely only get a ghoulish thrill out of it...

MDU

[Deano]

I heard on the radio that the two fuckwits laughed about it in court :weird: - and will get a jail sentence. I just hope its not a suspended one.

[placidfemme]

I'd say a lot of this can be avoided if we taught kids to hunt, shoot and kill at a young age. Teach them the reality of killing things, the horrors of injuring something instead of a clean kill, and install that respect for the animal.

... I think the shooters among us would understand, and I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Damned video games teaching people to shoot rape and run riot are warping and rotting the brains of our kids and they're growing up with a blood lust that is only satisfied with ever higher "shock value". They start off doing stuff on the TV, head to blowing up ducks, burning animals alive etc and have absolutely NO empathy for the animal.

I'd like to know if there is a way to help them understand what they're really doing - to get them inside the head of their victim. At the moment it's "just a laugh" exacted in some hedonistic fit of stupidity.

Now they're of an age where their expectations and morals are set, and undoing/changing them is going to be hard, very hard.

What to do? On one hand I say throw the book at the them, and at the same time I feel very very sorry for the poor pathetic little people they're turning out to be....

MDU

I've never hunted in my life... nor even shot a real gun... but I agree with you. :2thumbsup

[ManDownUnder]

...*social paraiah (sp) and vilified for 'killing innocent animals' but few people give a fat rats arse about mind-fucking video games that are laced with murder/rape/theft/assautl etc.


*O.K., I really don't give a fat rats arse about what the anti-hunting types think, haven't met too many that don't eat meat or use leather etc,

I COULD NOT AGREE MORE!!!!!!! ("I get it from the supermarket, in those hygenic little trays" :rofl: )

... ahem... back to the topic - this is one I really do not want to hijack. Those that know me will attest - I'm slow to anger, but this really pushes all my buttons at once.

MDU

[Lou Girardin]

If they were my cats those scum wouldn't walk again.

[Eyetie]

On the flip side if a dog attacks a person usually its put down.....this will no doubt be a fine and some community service maybe. Justice is served?????

[onearmedbandit]

I don't need to say much about these guys, its all been said. But blaming video games? FFS, I know hundreds of people who play violent video games, watch violent movies etc, but none of these people would do anything like this. This sort of thinking can't be blamed on a TV in the corner of a room.

[R6_kid]

they live in huntly... i would have felt sorry for them before this but setting an animal on fire and letting it die painfully is just fukin retarded :weird: . "will it get hurt" - "nah bro it'll be sweet aye"

I have hunted and purposefully shot rabbits, and been the first to run up to it with a stone to make sure its dead if i had a bad shot - not to be brutal but to be as humane as possible.

On the other hand i once shot a shag/sheerwater (cant remember exactly what its called) with an air gun thinking it would kill it. Yes it was stupid and i know there was no reason here, but my punishment came in watching it limp off into the water with me being unable to help it.

Maybe the best way to sentence would be to subject them to disturbing videos of torture etc of animals, people and the sort. Secretly recording their reactions and making a decision based on how they respond to that... the more they laugh the longer they stay?

[ManDownUnder]

I don't need to say much about these guys, its all been said. But blaming video games? FFS, I know hundreds of people who play violent video games, watch violent movies etc, but none of these people would do anything like this. This sort of thinking can't be blamed on a TV in the corner of a room.

I hear what you're saying and I think I agree...

To clarify - I'm not say video games cause violent behaviour alone. That's far too simplistic, but I am saying if you combine them with
* The lack of a balancing viewpoint
* A lack of responsibility for actions (i.e. punishment)
* Boredom
* Lack of self discipline

... you're going to get some interesting results, and to be blunt - I can't see how they could possibly be good.

I've always been against shooting games, especially the video games encouraging the death of others.

That being said, I'm the guy squeezing the trigger to put meat on the table, or take rabbits and possums off the land. I'm also the guy that'd be off to the gun shop to get the required gear to protect me and mine from invaders if required.

There are a number of good reasons to kill, but boredom ain't one of them. Anything filling that need (i.e. "I need something to do") with a gun pointed at people gets a big thumbs down from me.

MDU

[ManDownUnder]

On the other hand i once shot a shag/sheerwater (cant remember exactly what its called) with an air gun thinking it would kill it. Yes it was stupid and i know there was no reason here, but my punishment came in watching it limp off into the water with me being unable to help it.


GREAT choice of words... "My punishment..."

Exactly my point - thanks (I need to back off a bit now... I can get quite "chatty" about this topic...)
MDU

[John]

What would be more interesting is attaching slug guns to the cats and creating a mechanism that would connect to the cat’s tail and if they wiggle their tale then the gun would go off, or maybe flame throwers? Or something similar.

I used to hunt every 2 days, only for purpose - on the farms to get rid of possums - I liked rabbits but still had to shoot them, otherwise I would get in shit when one of the horses break their legs, I always made sure I took a clean shot - and promptly reloaded after a kill in case they were still moving.

The real problem is the government/society, why you ask we have all gone PC its fucken lame, "If you tell your child off that’s bad parenting", "You must understand their personality and accept them", "if you hit them your in shit" - what the hell is going on? I will hit my kids if they fuck around, I will teach them manners I wont be a lame modern age hippy, If I did something wrong I copped leather around the naked backside, I learned quick - and had trouble relating with people my ages due to them being unruly little shits, I eventually lost a lot of my discipline when my father died, but I respect the ways in which you have to bring up your child.

Sue me for being off topic, but that’s the problem with shits like this, "bro lets light some cats on fire" "Yea bro bad".

[Coyote]

The real problem is the government/society, why you ask we have all gone PC its fucken lame, "If you tell your child off that’s bad parenting", "You must understand their personality and accept them", "if you hit them your in shit" - what the hell is going on? I will hit my kids if they fuck around, I will teach them manners I wont be a lame modern age hippy, If I did something wrong I copped leather around the naked backside, I learned quick - and had trouble relating with people my ages due to them being unruly little shits, I eventually lost a lot of my discipline when my father died, but I respect the ways in which you have to bring up your child.

I get the same treatment at home. It's made me anti-social and paranoid but at least I haven't started smoking or become a homie

[John]

I get the same treatment at home. It's made me anti-social and paranoid but at least I haven't started smoking or become a homie
Thanks for that alarumba, proves a point doesnt it?

[marty]

i've got some double happys left over from way back. maybe messers karena and papa would like one of those each stuck up their arse and lit....

[hXc]

Okay, where to start?

Killing any animal by lighting it on fire is just stupid. I'm not an animal lover but it's cruel and inhumane. I hope the little shits get what they deserve-warning shot or 9mm hemorage should do it.
Hunting for a purpose is fine but killing for the purpose of killing or getting a laugh is wrong.

This PC crap is a load of shit. This is an old post of mine in Rainbow Wizards thread "Political Incorrectness"...

PC FREE ZONE AROUND ME

Political correctness is a load of craptola. I say and do what i feel like and no rich guy in his suit can tell me "no that's wrong" and give me a whack on the back of the hand. I have no respect for anyone who belives in political correctness and never will.

Helen Clarke is the shittiest primeminister ever!! You may think I have no morals but it's true! PM me if there are any problems.

[DingDong]

Freaky little punks... :weird: , wounder what a horse would react like :devil2: or what about your boss? I'll wait till he :mad: yells at me...

[NotaGoth]

It'll be interesting to see how lightly they get off. Since it's only cruelty to animals, they're going to get roughly 2 years at most. That women who kept all those dogs in here house under crap conditions only got 2 years, with chance of bail :no:

Killing animals like this should get life in prison. Is killing a human any different to killing any other living creature? I think not

Ain't no difference in my eyes

[John]

Ain't no difference in my eyes
I will third the motion.

[Brian d marge]

There is no cure for stupidity... In this case I think they shoud be made to work in the animal shelter for a year or to sat and sun Unpaid ,,,or a trip to the big house ,,,with Bubba

Bad Parenting , no just lazy .. I mean you start with a blank sheet , what ever you put it comes out 2 fold ,,,if you think TV is an easy pacifier fine ...crap in crap out ....
and as for this PC sh$%& only people who cant think.. or have insecure emotions perperuate this
Dont confuse this with basic human respect ,,, for example a comment made in joke may actually hurt someone ,,..( I made a comment about selling cheap goods back to the chinese ,,,as I said the last word I realised one of the group was chinese ...he said he didnt mind ,,but I could tell ,,,trouble is there is no rewind button ..:no:.)

Back to the point these idiots should be held VERY accountable as the mark of a society is how the weakest are treated ..( weakest must be defined here as a kitten )

WE as a society must come down F$%&'&' hard on those who exploit the weakest as we are judged by there standards ,,and I dont want to be judged in that light ....

Yup those 2 should be separated and work in an animal shelters to see and understand what they did ,,,

THE BASTKETS ((:mad:

Stephen

[Lou Girardin]

Of course violent video games don't modify behaviour. That's why the US military use them in training, not to dehumanise the target so that their troops will kill, but to entertain them.

[crazylittleshit]

An eye for an eye Set them on fire :mad:

[placidfemme]

An eye for an eye Set them on fire :mad:

*sings* We don't need no water let the mother f***ers burn... *stops singing*

[ManDownUnder]

Of course violent video games don't modify behaviour. That's why the US military use them in training, not to dehumanise the target so that their troops will kill, but to entertain them.

Cheers Lou - you're bang on there! (Acttually that's exactly what I had in mind when I wrote it).

They don't do it over night, but have you ever noticed how a game that seems amasing at first, gets lame after a while, and the new, more violent, louder more dastardly one is then the cool one... which then gets lame... etc

What changing? The code executing on your PC/xbox etc? ... I don't think so...

Desensitising yourself to violence makes more extreme violence acceptable. Games are one way (of many) of doing that. Maybe that's what happened to these kids - do you think?

MDU

[WINJA]

An eye for an eye Set them on fire :mad:
FUCK YEAH ID DO IT , THE CHANCE OF THEM DOING OFFENDING AGAINST HUMANS NEXT IS SO HIGH I THINK THEY SHOULD BE KILLED , IM SERIOUS LIGHT THOSE FUCKERS ON FIRE AND KILL EM , ID DO IT FOR FREE. NEXT THEYLL BE CLIMBING IN OUR FAMILYS WINDOWS AND RAPING OUR MUMS AND SISTERS , THEY HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER SOCIETY AND I DONT BELIEVE IN REHAB, ITLL BE ANOTHER TAFFE HOTENE CASE.

[John]

Sorry I dont want to sound blunt, but I disagree hole heartitly.

video games are violent, yes
videos games have subliminal messages, yes

war is violent, yes
news is more R18 rated than most slasher movies
tv is loaded with subliminal messages, yes

Ok try this, if your a night owl, like myself watch that dirty brian chap, listen to it first and you actually notice the messages in what hes preeching, now watch the tv while he blabbers on, notice a difference?

Funny how the world works, dont be so quick to blame the video games industry (they are just subliminal advertisers) - Look at back in the day, we had more mental cases than now, just think what you want everyone just remeber your not helping the cause by talking, go get in your vans (preferably with your wife or vice versa) and go storm troop the beehive....wait where have we seen that before?

Not attacking you MDU or anyone else, but think it through more than once before you judge.

[ManDownUnder]

Not attacking you MDU or anyone else, but think it through more than once before you judge.

John - upfront I'm not taking this as an attack at all - I welcome the input, and if I'm wrong I get to learn...

I am happy to say the influence of video games is negligible on 95%+ of people anyway - anyone without additional factors that combine to alter the way of thinkiong that person has. I'd also say a video game is but one of many influences impacting a person (so they are quite possibly going off the rails anyway - even in the absence of games... just as they did in "the good old days")

The key difference between games and TV is that you get to control the activity in the game, the feedback is designed to encourage certain behaviours (shooting people for example).

TV is passive. You sit there and are taken for the ride. You geet no feedback for your actions - you have none.

My concern is with young, easily influenced minds accessing material they're not ready to deal with.

They have not yet formed firm understandings of how to react to violence - what is "normal". So a game (or some other violent episode in their life... like being dragged off to war at 18) will have an undue influence at that point, and once their attitudes and understandings are set... they're buggered for life.

Same thing as kids being beaten by parents... they tend to become violent parents themselves. That's what they know to do... that's "how it's done".

Games have an input to that process. They are not the sole input, nor are they particularly significant... generally. But in the presence of other influencing factors they can certainly assist in altering a (young) person's viewpoint.

MDU

[ManDownUnder]

Ok try this, if your a night owl, like myself watch that dirty brian chap, listen to it first and you actually notice the messages in what hes preeching, now watch the tv while he blabbers on, notice a difference?


Hey - I meant to ask... what did you mean by this (I don't get it.. what is the difference you're referring to... )

Sorry - not a night owl and I want to be clear on what you're saying
MDU

[John]

Hey - I meant to ask... what did you mean by this
MDU

Well I did my own mini experiment (It is indeed a bit (re: very) inaccurate BUT) I watched a series of TV programs, But I watched them differently.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p>



I would find a program and LISTEN to what is being said and make NO contact with the TV, I would then note my feelings towards said speaker.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p>


Then I would watch the program normally, and note how I felt.<o:p></o:p>
What I found with destiny churches preaching’s is that, if you listen to it you get a blunt message, "I am taking the government and your money to get me there" But when I watched it I found his preaching to be somewhat fair and justified, that freaked me out.<o:p></o:p>

Now on with the video game thingamabob, Now I do agree with you Video games are a problem, but need to be moderated by the parents of said 'killers' .

I particularly enjoy plucking stuff from David Walsh, Ph.D.


Exposure to violent games increases physiological arousal.
Well that’s pretty logical isn’t it really, You don’t need a Ph.D to figure out that beating/shooting/mauling people/objects will of course increase brain activity, and increase overall body activity, its like life - we get the same(ish) emotions if we experienced it in real life, games have passed the point of 'games' they are all life simulators.


Exposure to violent games increases aggressive thoughts.
Well that’s again, one of those 'duh' things, you cant sit a kid in front of the box with a PS2 and a copy of GTA:SA and then go do whatever you want now can you? That is obviously going to cause some sort of adverse effects.


Exposure to violent games increases aggressive emotions.
Again, you cant really in all honestly expect them to raise themselves on PS2/other (I’m building up to a point here)..


Exposure to violent games increases aggressive actions.
He amused me here with that one..

If they beat the other student, they got to deliver a loud "noise blast," and were able to control how loud and how long the noise blast would be. Students who had previously played the violent video game delivered longer noise blasts to their opponents (Anderson & Dill, 2000).
Ok Well no crapola, they just finished playing a 'violent' video game, the adrenalin and crap is still running, maybe it could have being more justified over a longer period of time... i.e. years/months.

Students who played more violent video games were also more likely to see the world as a hostile place
Well thats a bloody good thing, because at least they aren’t shielded from the truth, sure it maybe semi anti-social, hasn’t stopped many 'young'ns' getting out and drinking etc.

Ok, I am just nit picking at this chap, but the point is... what is the common link between all these? The parent, THE PARENT - the games aren’t doing it at all, its lazy fecken parenting - We live in a generation in which we can throw a kid a PS2 and some games and go for tea and scones at joans... see what I mean?
And again, they are exposed to it in all media formats; paper, TV, everything - if parents actually learnt how to 'parent' so called then we might be in a better place?
The problem with that is... WHAT is parenting - we still haven’t got it right lets maybe put more dollar into the research on proper parenting - not old myths, and not trying to find excuses to cover up what crap we have done.<o:p></o:p>

Don’t take this as a hostile post, I agree with you to an extent – but even I am disgraced as its use as a cover up, sad really.<o:p></o:p>

Who can honestly say that they were the best parents they could possibly be?


Reference:

David Walsh, Ph.D. http://culturalpolicy.uchicago.edu/conf2001/papers/walsh.html <o:p></o:p>

[Badcat]

I understand they have both pled guilty to the charges. Hopefully the sentencing judge is a cat lover and has seen their pathetic antics outside the court house played on the six o-clock news.

Personally I'm no fan of cats but no helpless creature should be tortured in that manner. Fucken sub humans should be arse fucked by a pack of Baboons.

so - these little fuckos were a lot bigger than the cats, right?
perhaps they should be put in the same situation with a couple of pumas, but give them some glue and matches to even it up?
Honestly, i'd love to be the judge on that day.
or..

how about if they are given community service (as they undoubtedly will in this softcock state) that it be 1000 hours cleaning faeces out of dog and cat enclosures at the spca?
i'm sure the spca staff will be real friendly and understanding of their awfully hard upbringing....

little cunts.

[Badcat]

I don't need to say much about these guys, its all been said. But blaming video games? FFS, I know hundreds of people who play violent video games, watch violent movies etc, but none of these people would do anything like this. This sort of thinking can't be blamed on a TV in the corner of a room.

ok - i work in the games industry - for Microsoft.
what no-one seems to acknowledge, is that all video games for sale in NZ carry AGE WARNINGS, just like DVDS etc.
you wouldn't let your 8 year old rent and watch R18 porn, would you?
so why buy them R18 video games?
i know it's not that simple, but doesn't anyone think that the parents need to control what their kids watch etc?

[John]

but doesn't anyone think that the parents need to control what their kids watch etc?

:clap::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[ManDownUnder]

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I would find a program and LISTEN to what is being said and make NO contact with the TV, I would then note my feelings towards said speaker.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p>


Then I would watch the program normally, and note how I felt.<o:p></o:p>
What I found with destiny churches preaching’s is that, if you listen to it you get a blunt message, "I am taking the government and your money to get me there" But when I watched it I found his preaching to be somewhat fair and justified, that freaked me out.

Understood - body language makes up a large portion of the message - the emotive part (convincing you to support/not support the person delivering it)
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Now on with the video game thingamabob, Now I do agree with you Video games are a problem, but need to be moderated by the parents of said 'killers' .

...

Well that’s again, one of those 'duh' things, you cant sit a kid in front of the box with a PS2 and a copy of GTA:SA and then go do whatever you want now can you? That is obviously going to cause some sort of adverse effects.

The problem with that is... WHAT is parenting - we still haven’t got it right lets maybe put more dollar into the research on proper parenting - not old myths, and not trying to find excuses to cover up what crap we have done.<o:p></o:p>

Don’t take this as a hostile post, I agree with you to an extent – but even I am disgraced as its use as a cover up, sad really.<o:p></o:p>

Who can honestly say that they were the best parents they could possibly be?




Agreed - parenting has a massive... MASIIVE influence on kids directly, and indirectly (through restrictions on video games...and porn, and booze and...)

Prepare the kids for these issues. They WILL be exposed to them, and give them age appropriate information... (i.e. a 5 year old doesn't need a full working knowledge about sex, but an understanding of Mum and Dad make a baby, it grows in mummy's tummy and they are in a comitted relationship kinda helps)

Then when they come across the sex (or in this case violence) they have a framework already in place to deal with it as best they can - opr know to turn it off/walk away/whatever.

I think we're saying much the same thing here just looking at it from different perspective.

Onya! :niceone:

MDU

[John]

I think we're saying much the same thing here just looking at it from different perspective.

Onya! :niceone:

MDU

I agree, So today in playschool we learned - its all about responsibility. :yes:

[Lou Girardin]

In the US, the families of 3 murderded cops are sueing games manufacturers on the basis that a certain game acted as a training tool for the person that killed their husbands/fathers.
The actions of the perpetrator exactly mirrored certain scenes in this game.
Taking a gun off one of the cops at the police station, then moving through the rooms killing each cop with a head shot.
It was too close to be co-incidental

[ManDownUnder]

I agree, So today in playschool we learned - its all about responsibility. :yes:


LOL - yeah.

To quote my dear old Mum on the day of 16th birthday.

"As of today, if you end up in prison... I promise to come and visit"

I think that summed it all up for me (not to mention the fact it gave reason to think)

MDU

[Jackrat]

I understand most serial killers got their first kicks doing this kind of thing to animals.I hope the judge that sits on these scum takes that into account an gives them the wake up they really need.
Unfortunatly I've lost faith in our system and Belive they will probably get diversion if their eligable.If not that, then some other pointless slap on the wrist.Probably just end up smoking pot with the Bro's on PD for a few months.
Just to sick for words I'm affraid. :no:

[Waylander]

In the US, the families of 3 murderded cops are sueing games manufacturers on the basis that a certain game acted as a training tool for the person that killed their husbands/fathers.
The actions of the perpetrator exactly mirrored certain scenes in this game.
Taking a gun off one of the cops at the police station, then moving through the rooms killing each cop with a head shot.
It was too close to be co-incidental

If it's the games fault how come I havn't done anything like that? I've been playing vids since the Atari. Played damn near everygame on every system and I don't go on murderous rampages. Oh wait I know why, My parents wern't lazy good for nothing dumb fucks and actually taught me about responsibility and about right and wrong.

Don't blame the media, games, movies, TV. If the parents didn't raise the kids right then they would have gone shit anyway.

[speedpro]

Don't blame the media, games, movies, TV. If the parents didn't raise the kids right then they would have gone shit anyway.
Absolutely agree. I feel responsible for how my boy is going to turn out and have been making serious effort since he was born. At 7yrs it seems to be paying off - top kid.