Wandering stock vs cheesewire

[scracha]

Many farmers are far too lax about keeping their animals off the road. Knackered fences, broken gates and electric tape will not stop most animals.
Not for the first time this year (40 days in), I encountered a cow wandering about a 100K road today.
Not for the first time, after knocking on a couple of doors, I got a the "not our problem" type response .
Not for the first time, I rung the local cop shop and their lack of interest was staggering.


Now I've seen locals hospitalised and their cars written off by hitting calves so the results of encountering a full sized cow on a motorbike don't bear thinking about. I reckon for most kiwi motorcyclists, hitting livestock is far more likely than hitting cheesewire.


Shouldn't MAG be bleating about this? Campaigning for a ban on putting livestock behind an electric tape on 100 k roads would be a start.

[steve_t]

What do the cops say? I wonder what they'd say if you tell them that you're gonna take the cow home with you :scooter:
My mate hit a sheep with his car and the car was written off (as was the sheep). Man, a cow would be like hitting a brick wall :gob:

[scracha]

What do the cops say? I wonder what they'd say if you tell them that you're gonna take the cow home with you :scooter:
My mate hit a sheep with his car and the car was written off (as was the sheep). Man, a cow would be like hitting a brick wall :gob:

Today, "sorry, we haven't anyone in the area, we'll try and get someone out in the next hour or two. Thanks for calling to report this"

Last time I managed to get another driver and we put the 2 cows into the closest field that had a gate.

Time before that, policeman said "yeah, they get out on that road a lot. I'll phone some of the houses on that road to see if they can move them".


Obviously nobody ever gets a warning, never mind a fine. Obviously far less dangerous than doing 110kmh

[steve_t]

Today, "sorry, we haven't anyone in the area, we'll try and get someone out in the next hour or two. Thanks for calling to report this"

Last time I managed to get another driver and we put the 2 cows into the closest field that had a gate.

Time before that, policeman said "yeah, they get out on that road a lot. I'll phone some of the houses on that road to see if they can move them".


Obviously nobody ever gets a warning, never mind a fine. Obviously far less dangerous than doing 110kmh

I guess they'd consider it low priority. You'd have to have a biker die in a collision with a cow before it would get media attention and then maybe something would be done about it. Hi viz vests for cows? :innocent:
When my house got burgled, the cops came around 3 days later! I guess it's low priority with the burglars already having hightailed it out of there but still...

[hayd3n]

I guess they'd consider it low priority. You'd have to have a biker die in a collision with a cow before it would get media attention and then maybe something would be done about it. Hi viz vests for cows? :innocent:
When my house got burgled, the cops came around 3 days later! I guess it's low priority with the burglars already having hightailed it out of there but still...

by that time you could of been robbed again (happened to me) ended up being the druggie accros the road

[DEVVIL]

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Action

Put out a mail drop in the area We are looking for donations for our .....club BBQ. Just leave you're live stock wandering around the road and we will pick it up. :innocent:

You could always heard it up the road to the next property. I'm sure the cow will be missed:violin:

[scracha]

You could always heard it up the road to the next property. I'm sure the cow will be missed:violin:

Done that in the past with assitance from another passing motorist. Literally just opened nearest gate and herded it in there. This time I couldn't get any of the locals to assist me. Arseholes.

[caseye]

Many farmers are far too lax about keeping their animals off the road. Knackered fences, broken gates and electric tape will not stop most animals.
Not for the first time this year (40 days in), I encountered a cow wandering about a 100K road today.
Not for the first time, after knocking on a couple of doors, I got a the "not our problem" type response .
Not for the first time, I rung the local cop shop and their lack of interest was staggering.


Now I've seen locals hospitalised and their cars written off by hitting calves so the results of encountering a full sized cow on a motorbike don't bear thinking about. I reckon for most kiwi motorcyclists, hitting livestock is far more likely than hitting cheesewire.


Shouldn't MAG be bleating about this? Campaigning for a ban on putting livestock behind an electric tape on 100 k roads would be a start.



scracha, yes MAG-NZ should be and would be, have you registered on our web site, joined us? given us the opportunity to follow this up, on YOUR Behalf?
If the answer to any of the above questions is YES then, well done and I make a firm promise that if this is brought to our attention it will be followed up to the enth degree.
If the answer is no then, quite franky my dear I don't give a damn.We are not mind readers. Last Moday evening myself and two other MAG-NZ (09) thats code for the Auckland Contingent of MAG-NZ were talking with a traffic engineer from the Waikato, BOP area.
She is concerned about this sort of thing too and wants our help to find out who the farmers are that consistently let their stock get out.
So come on, specifics please.
When? What day?
Where?Get the number off the nearest dairy farm gate, they know exactly where that is.
What time? Says it all by itself, good road conditions, bad road conditions, traffic light, heavy all this helps.
Who was involved, not involved, could have been involved.
By the way a sure fire method of getting any cockie to run to his neighbours stocks aid is to mention that it's in a fence and you have just the thing for putting it out of it's misery in the locked safe box in your car.
Come on, join up, get invloved, this is a serious issue and has killed motorcyclists and cage driver every year for eon's.

[slofox]

Today, "sorry, we haven't anyone in the area, we'll try and get someone out in the next hour or two. Thanks for calling to report this"

Last time I managed to get another driver and we put the 2 cows into the closest field that had a gate.

Time before that, policeman said "yeah, they get out on that road a lot. I'll phone some of the houses on that road to see if they can move them".


Obviously nobody ever gets a warning, never mind a fine. Obviously far less dangerous than doing 110kmh

Over New Year, in the Southern Hawkes Bay, the back roads were damn near choked with loose marauding sheep...I lost count of how many I saw. And they're fucking brainless too - they tend to race out in front of you as you appear round the corner...

Hit one on the SV once...bounced off - the sheep, I mean, not the bike. Bent the brake pedal double though...

[James Deuce]

Absolutely. My "accident" last year has made me quite militant about this to the point of pissing off relatives and their friends who are farmers. If I find wandering stock, I restrain it and ring the Police. That removes the opportunity for the farmer responsible to remove the ear tag off the animal before reporting the accident to the police, or in my case simply leaving me for dead on the side of the road and removing the ear tag from the animal. I was the fourth injury accident due to wandering stock on the same piece of road in 5 days. The poor cop from Eketahuna was unable to do anything about any of the "accidents" because none of the animals involved were identifiable (no ear tag) or able to be located post incident (gone to the works).

Most often the Police refuse to come out. So I hurl a sheep over the nearest fence, or lead a cow to a gate and send it through.

I don't get out much.

I've done this twice in the last year in the South Wairarapa. MAG won't have any luck dealing with it, because the lovely farmers are the powerhouse of our economy and can do no wrong. It's our fault for running into their lovely free range stock, because we're naughty motorcyclists and didn't have a hi-vis vest on to warn the colour blind stock that we were coming. Plus our loud pipes and terrible lifestyle mean we deserved it.

There's no real penalty for farmers, unless you get all the details right and often the results are so catastrophic that no effort is put into identifying the culprit because people at the accident scene are too busy keeping people alive, and telling them they're idiots for riding a dangerous motorcycle.

Always remember that people suck and their main goal is to make sure that they're OK at the expense of everybody else.

[monkeymcbean]

How irritating, beat if the farmers where getting a good price for sheep and cattle they would not want dollars on legs wandering around out there to get skittled.
Man I would feel like snipping the fence completely and letting all the culprits stock out if it was a on going problem. :mad:

[Shadows]

Absolutely. My "accident" last year has made me quite militant about this to the point of pissing off relatives and their friends who are farmers. If I find wandering stock, I restrain it and ring the Police. That removes the opportunity for the farmer responsible to remove the ear tag off the animal before reporting the accident to the police, or in my case simply leaving me for dead on the side of the road and removing the ear tag from the animal. I was the fourth injury accident due to wandering stock on the same piece of road in 5 days. The poor cop from Eketahuna was unable to do anything about any of the "accidents" because none of the animals involved were identifiable (no ear tag) or able to be located post incident (gone to the works).

Most often the Police refuse to come out. So I hurl a sheep over the nearest fence, or lead a cow to a gate and send it through.

I don't get out much.

I've done this twice in the last year in the South Wairarapa. MAG won't have any luck dealing with it, because the lovely farmers are the powerhouse of our economy and can do no wrong. It's our fault for running into their lovely free range stock, because we're naughty motorcyclists and didn't have a hi-vis vest on to warn the colour blind stock that we were coming. Plus our loud pipes and terrible lifestyle mean we deserved it.

There's no real penalty for farmers, unless you get all the details right and often the results are so catastrophic that no effort is put into identifying the culprit because people at the accident scene are too busy keeping people alive, and telling them they're idiots for riding a dangerous motorcycle.

Always remember that people suck and their main goal is to make sure that they're OK at the expense of everybody else.

So if a sheep or other beast is wandering on the road or on public land, is it therefore fair game provided one removes any ear tag that he might find?

Serious question.

[rwh]

Is it worth removing the ear tag yourself and handing it in at the police station?

Or even just photographing it?

Richard

[gammaguy]

Many farmers are far too lax about keeping their animals off the road. Knackered fences, broken gates and electric tape will not stop most animals.
Not for the first time this year (40 days in), I encountered a cow wandering about a 100K road today.
Not for the first time, after knocking on a couple of doors, I got a the "not our problem" type response .
Not for the first time, I rung the local cop shop and their lack of interest was staggering.


Now I've seen locals hospitalised and their cars written off by hitting calves so the results of encountering a full sized cow on a motorbike don't bear thinking about. I reckon for most kiwi motorcyclists, hitting livestock is far more likely than hitting cheesewire.


Shouldn't MAG be bleating about this? Campaigning for a ban on putting livestock behind an electric tape on 100 k roads would be a start.

shoot the bastard

bet the owner comes forward then:yes:

[James Deuce]

So if a sheep or other beast is wandering on the road or on public land, is it therefore fair game provided one removes any ear tag that he might find?

Serious question.

No, it's still someone's property.


Is it worth removing the ear tag yourself and handing it in at the police station?

Or even just photographing it?

Richard

If you're concious and mobile and your gear hasn't been destroyed in the accident, go for it, though I'm sure that there will be an appropriate charge from the Police for interfering with the ear tag, no matter who removes it.

[Pixie]

Fro ADVRider:


"This photo was taken about 1985. The mn is the pic is a real NZ character. Every year we used to go to the 6 hr at Manfeild. The story behind this is "I was in front as the Wire wheeel Katana always was. Behind me was steve on K100 and behind him a MHR and another wire wheel GSX1100.

Country road in farmland. I come down hill towards Cheltenham at about 160kmh and two sheep grazing either side of road. Of course sheep get a bit scared and want eac others company. As i pass thru one sheeps runs to mate and Steve stands on pegs and goes clean over the top of it.

We stop up road and I look down and see the front disc has blood on it and front forequarter of sheep is hanging off brake lever. We carry on to races and leave sheep hanging on brake lever (nice)"
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[Banditbandit]

Obviously nobody ever gets a warning, never mind a fine. Obviously far less dangerous than doing 110kmh

Dunno about fines, etc ... but the farmers are responsible. I know the insurance companies are hot on this. Damage to a vehicle caused by loose stock (either bike, car, truck etc etc) and the insurance companies hit the farmers for it.

I used to carry liability insurance just in case ... moast farmers do .. and know the law .. they just don't care because their insurance compabny pays it out .. last time I hit a couple of sheep (in a 4X4) I got the ear tags and indentified the farmer ... he admitted they were his and he had to pay out ...

Even if your dog is hit by a car and the car is damaged then it's your responsibility and the insurance will come after you ..

You'd think that might be a big enough incentive to keep stock in .. but it seems not ...

[Banditbandit]

I guess they'd consider it low priority. You'd have to have a biker die in a collision with a cow before it would get media attention and then maybe something would be done about it. Hi viz vests for cows? :innocent:
When my house got burgled, the cops came around 3 days later! I guess it's low priority with the burglars already having hightailed it out of there but still...

Gypsy in Hawke's Bay was killed hitting stock ... didn't make much difference

[Banditbandit]

Is it worth removing the ear tag yourself and handing it in at the police station?

Or even just photographing it?

Richard

Give it to your insurnace company .. they're very good and getting their money back ..

[scumdog]

shoot the bastard

bet the owner comes forward then:yes:


Yup, not that I'd condone shooting stock on the road but I bet there would be a sudden interest in keeping stock off the roads if they were labelled fair game to be shot if they got out.

[Maha]

First of all, MAG does not bleat.
MAG is a concise and dedicated group of motocyclists who have a common goal and are currently working towards making sure that those goals will be met.

If you are not a member, can I suggest that you join and get involved.
Having a bleat on an internet forum about one particular issue and calling for MAG (or any other group for that matter) to act on it, wont happen.

Secondly, when riding on a country road, it is up to each and everyone of us to be vigilant. We are basically riding through farmland and stock are often on the road side grazing, thats all part of it. Sometimes, the odd cattle or sheep does tend to go for the greener grass and they break through whatever fencing the farmer has put there to ensure this does not happen.

[avgas]

Sounds like a pretty sweet place to get some free steaks.
What you complaining about?

[DEVVIL]

[QUOTE=James Deuce;
I've done this twice in the last year in the South Wairarapa. MAG won't have any luck dealing with it, because the lovely farmers are the powerhouse of our economy and can do no wrong. It's our fault for running into their lovely free range stock, because we're naughty motorcyclists and didn't have a hi-vis vest on to warn the colour blind stock that we were coming. Plus our loud pipes and terrible lifestyle mean we deserved it.
.[/QUOTE]

I think live stock need to wear Hi-Vis vest.....:innocent:

[buellbabe]

[QUOTE=Maha;1129985183]

Secondly, when riding on a country road, it is up to each and everyone of us to be vigilant. We are basically riding through farmland and stock are often on the road side grazing, thats all part of it. QUOTE]

Yea I find myself saying this a lot lately...we gotta ride more defensively.

But, that said, no matter how good a rider or defensive you are (as in James Deuces case last year...dude you are lucky to be alive) things happen that are beyond our control. What pisses me off is the apathetic attitude of the farmers.


No chance of "oh shit one of my beasts almost killed someone"...its more like "shit better get rid of the evidence..".

Nice one. NOT.

[Maha]

Bit of truth in that guess...I have never had the misfortune of meeting stock on the road while on the bike (controlled cattle move yes).
First time I went up went up twin bridges road, it was said to me to watch out for stock crossing the road between 2-4pm or whatever the time was?
Milking time etc...
Roadside stock grazing is apart of country road riding...

'' Sometimes, the odd cattle or sheep does tend to go for the greener grass and they break through whatever fencing the farmer has put there to ensure this does not happen''.

A farmer could put up razor wire, but if the stock want the yummy grass in the culvert, they will get it.

[buellbabe]

Good point Maha, I tend to be even more on the lookout in late afternoon when travelling through dairy country especially...

[Ocean1]

A farmer could put up razor wire, but if the stock want the yummy grass in the culvert, they will get it.

I once had a wee discussion with what later turned out was a prize Charolais bull regarding his rightful place in the world. A somewhat one-sided conversation held at quite some distance. Fuck he was big. Apparently he'd got a smell of some cows up the way and just wandered off, through a perfectly healthy 7 wire fence, looking for a root.

[Hans]

Yup, not that I'd condone shooting stock on the road but I bet there would be a sudden interest in keeping stock off the roads if they were labelled fair game to be shot if they got out.

I agree. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to carry a short firearm in New Zealand. And how I'd fit a rifle on the RF I do not know...

[Katman]

Secondly, when riding on a country road, it is up to each and everyone of us to be vigilant. We are basically riding through farmland and stock are often on the road side grazing, thats all part of it.

It is essential that part of our concentration is focused on the long grass at the side of country roads.

Moving grass can give forewarning of a loose grazing sheep.

[Ocean1]

I agree. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to carry a short firearm in New Zealand. And how I'd fit a rifle on the RF I do not know...

Saw one of these down south a couple of months ago on a quad.

http://www.flambeau-cases.com/rifle-case-atv-6440.htm

Reckon it'd qualify as appropriate bling for an RF.

[Hans]

Saw one of these down south a couple of months ago on a quad.

http://www.flambeau-cases.com/rifle-case-atv-6440.htm

Reckon it'd qualify as appropriate bling for an RF.

Very nice. Next problem is I don't own an appropriate rifle. I only have way too weak and way too powerful. Nope. Pistol is the way to go... Either .45acp or 10auto

[rwh]

Very nice. Next problem is I don't own an appropriate rifle. I only have way too weak and way too powerful. Nope. Pistol is the way to go... Either .45acp or 10auto

Too powerful for a bull?

I guess you really need to carry a range of them, to cope with everything from rabbits and chooks up to elephants (in case you're passing a circus).

Richard

[James Deuce]

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[baptist]

Fro ADVRider:


"This photo was taken about 1985. The mn is the pic is a real NZ character. Every year we used to go to the 6 hr at Manfeild. The story behind this is "I was in front as the Wire wheeel Katana always was. Behind me was steve on K100 and behind him a MHR and another wire wheel GSX1100.

Country road in farmland. I come down hill towards Cheltenham at about 160kmh and two sheep grazing either side of road. Of course sheep get a bit scared and want eac others company. As i pass thru one sheeps runs to mate and Steve stands on pegs and goes clean over the top of it.

We stop up road and I look down and see the front disc has blood on it and front forequarter of sheep is hanging off brake lever. We carry on to races and leave sheep hanging on brake lever (nice)"
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That close to the engine was it ready by the time you got to the races? personally I love roast lamb for lunch:yes:

[Shadows]

As i pass thru one sheeps runs to mate and Steve stands on pegs and goes clean over the top of it.

We stop up road and I look down and see the front disc has blood on it and front forequarter of sheep is hanging off brake lever. We carry on to races and leave sheep hanging on brake lever (nice)"
231884

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