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soundbeltfarm
13th February 2011, 07:54
i changing oil in kids front forks and the oil is measured in cm3 .
how many mls are in 1 cm3?

soundbeltfarm
13th February 2011, 07:57
i think i have figured it out.
I must be a dumb arse.
i guessing it is 1cm3 = 1 ml

Juzz976
13th February 2011, 07:57
1ml = 1cm³

10cm x 10 cm x 10cm = 1000cm³ = 1L = 1000mL

notme
13th February 2011, 07:59
1cc = 1ml.

Think about your bike's engine - you say it's a "litre bike" or "1000cc" interchangeably..... so 1000cc = 1 litre. That means 1/1000th of a litre must be one cc.
Or another way - a cc of water is a cube of water 1cm by 1cm by 1cm. It takes 1000 of these cubes to make a litre of water, so 1cc is one thousandth of a litre, i.e. 1 millilitre. Funnily enough, a cc or ml of water weighs about 1g. :done:

hayd3n
13th February 2011, 08:25
they may a be a measurment you can use aswell it might say 50mm from the top without spring etc

Juzz976
13th February 2011, 08:39
Thing I don't get is what are you using to measure this quantity that has cm³ as its scale?

Seems a very odd question to me...

notme
13th February 2011, 08:45
Thing I don't get is what are you using to measure this quantity that has cm³ as its scale?

Probably a syringe. They are usually marked in cc.

Latte
13th February 2011, 09:46
I see cm3 in some non english stuff, guess they don't realise it's convention to call it cc (cubic centimetre).

steve_t
13th February 2011, 09:55
I see cm3 in some non english stuff, guess they don't realise it's convention to call it cc (cubic centimetre).

Actually, cm3 is the correct unit, as is mL. "cc" is an abbreviation or slang unit

Latte
13th February 2011, 09:59
Actually, cm3 is the correct unit, as is mL. "cc" is an abbreviation or slang unit

Which is why I said convention, and not correct term.......

steve_t
13th February 2011, 10:04
Which is why I said convention, and not correct term.......

Yeah, fair enough, though the only place I know it's convention is regarding engine capacity. Totally unfounded, but I'd tend to think 'cc' would have come from Americans and their tendency to do/spell things differently to everyone else :shutup:

YellowDog
13th February 2011, 10:09
Yeah, fair enough, though the only place I know it's convention is regarding engine capacity. Totally unfounded, but I'd tend to think 'cc' would have come from Americans and their tendency to do/spell things differently to everyone else :shutup:

The annoying tendancy of the Yanks is to measure motorcycle engines in Cibic Inches :no:

Latte
13th February 2011, 10:11
Yeah, fair enough, though the only place I know it's convention is regarding engine capacity. Totally unfounded, but I'd tend to think 'cc' would have come from Americans and their tendency to do/spell things differently to everyone else :shutup:

I'd say you're pretty much spot on there... especially with the automotive slant. I also seem to remember "CC" used a lot in US medical shows - "10cc's of overpricedplacebopam stat!"

notme
13th February 2011, 10:36
Wikipedia sez:

In many scientific (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science) fields, the use of cubic centimetres has been replaced by the millilitre. The medical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine) and automotive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry) fields are two of the few fields wherein the term cubic centimetre was never discontinued in the United States. Much of the automotive industry outside the U.S. has switched to using litres instead of cubic centimetres. In the United Kingdom, millilitres are used in preference to cubic centimetres in the medical field, but not the automotive. Most other English-speaking countries follow the UK example, but the use of cubic centimetres persists everywhere, especially in the automotive field.
There is currently a movement within the medical field to discontinue the use of cc in prescriptions and on medical documents as it can be mis-read as "00"; this could result in a hundredfold overdose of medication, which may be dangerous or even lethal. In the United States, such confusion accounts for 12.6% of all errors associated with medical abbreviations.<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference">[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubic_centimetre#cite_note-1)</sup>




So basically it's the states lagging behind worldwide standards again....hits the engineering fields all the time! :facepalm:

BMWST?
13th February 2011, 10:44
they may a be a measurment you can use aswell it might say 50mm from the top without spring etc


mm vs ml.
Just to confuse things the building industry doesnt work in centimetres its either mm or metres.

bogan
13th February 2011, 10:51
mm vs ml.
Just to confuse things the building industry doesnt work in centimetres its either mm or metres.

thats to unconfuse things, cm is not a proper unit, someone probably just invented it cos they ran out of toes and fingers too quickly when working with mm :innocent:

Latte
13th February 2011, 10:52
mm vs ml.
Just to confuse things the building industry doesnt work in centimetres its either mm or metres.

Which actually makes more sense. Centi is common for any other measurement.


The post about moving away from cc to ml is a good idea also.

nadroj
13th February 2011, 11:18
Actually, cm3 is the correct unit, as is mL. "cc" is an abbreviation or slang unit

The first place I saw cm3 used in place of cc was in a Two Wheels magazine when it became politically correct in Orfuckinstaalia many moons ago.

notme
13th February 2011, 12:22
The first place I saw cm3 used in place of cc was in a Two Wheels magazine when it became politically correct in Orfuckinstaalia many moons ago.


Actually, cm3 is the correct unit, as is mL. "cc" is an abbreviation or slang unit


Which is why I said convention, and not correct term.......

Slang? Convention? Political correctness? Huh?

cc and cm3 are the exact same thing, both in units of measure and in terminology, there's no PC'ness, slang, or convention involved.........

"cm3" means cubic centimeters, or centimeters cubed. "cc" is an abbreviation of the words "cubic centimeters" or "centimeters cubed".

They are the same thing. "Cubes" is a slang term, as is "squares" when referring to land area.

Latte
13th February 2011, 12:49
Slang? Convention? Political correctness? Huh?

cc and cm3 are the exact same thing, both in units of measure and in terminology, there's no PC'ness, slang, or convention involved.........

"cm3" means cubic centimeters, or centimeters cubed. "cc" is an abbreviation of the words "cubic centimeters" or "centimeters cubed".

They are the same thing. "Cubes" is a slang term, as is "squares" when referring to land area.

Did any of us say they were different measurements? Or did we comment on when each term is used. Nice misread. CM3 is the correct scientific unit to use as it isn't ambiguous (it's a CM to the power of 3) - it follows other units (m2 etc). CC is a term that doesn't follow any other unit (CM isn't a cubic metre) - but it is a commonly known abbreviation of the wording of Cm3 (Cubic Centimetre).

Also "Cubes" I have only heard reffered to CI, not CC.

bogan
13th February 2011, 13:12
Did any of us say they were different measurements? Or did we comment on when each term is used. Nice misread. CM3 is the correct scientific unit to use as it isn't ambiguous (it's a CM to the power of 3) - it follows other units (m2 etc). CC is a term that doesn't follow any other unit (CM isn't a cubic metre) - but it is a commonly known abbreviation of the wording of Cm3 (Cubic Centimetre).

Also "Cubes" I have only heard reffered to CI, not CC.

don't be silly, ml is the correct term, cos centimeter is a half assed one, but cc sounds better when talking bout bikes.

notme
13th February 2011, 13:25
Did any of us say they were different measurements? Or did we comment on when each term is used. Nice misread.

Nope, no misread - I'm not disputing that 1cm3 = 1cc.

What i am saying, is that "cc" is not slang, it's not political correctness, it's not convention. All it is, is an abbreviation for the correct unit. I gave "cubes" and "squares" as an example of slang, since they are commonly accepted units (as you yourself agreed - cubes is accepted to mean cubic inches) to show the difference.

If you really want to get pedantic, cm3 is NOT the "correct unit" as you claim - it is but one representation of the correct unit, when written down in english. Another representation is "cc". Another is "cubic centimeters". Another is "centimeters cubed".

ANd getting even more pedantic, we should all slap ourselves for saying "cc is an abbreviation" because it's actually an acronym. :-)

How about one more level of pedantism? We're all guilty of this one in this thread too - "CM3" as written, can mean Construction Mechanic Third Class in the Navy, or Centimeters Cubed/Cubic Centimeters. So it's not really unambiguous. :-)

The lesson here is that there are a lot of common mutilations of scientific terms, and the english language's ambiguity doesn't help when thrown into the mix, but most of the time, given the context - most people seem to be able to get by.

The OP's problem is solved, further discussion to keep us entertained on a sunday afternoon should really go in PD to conform to the mechanics forum rules!

steve_t
13th February 2011, 14:33
Nope, no misread - I'm not disputing that 1cm3 = 1cc.

What i am saying, is that "cc" is not slang, it's not political correctness, it's not convention. All it is, is an abbreviation for the correct unit. I gave "cubes" and "squares" as an example of slang, since they are commonly accepted units (as you yourself agreed - cubes is accepted to mean cubic inches) to show the difference.

If you really want to get pedantic, cm3 is NOT the "correct unit" as you claim - it is but one representation of the correct unit, when written down in english. Another representation is "cc". Another is "cubic centimeters". Another is "centimeters cubed".

ANd getting even more pedantic, we should all slap ourselves for saying "cc is an abbreviation" because it's actually an acronym. :-)

How about one more level of pedantism? We're all guilty of this one in this thread too - "CM3" as written, can mean Construction Mechanic Third Class in the Navy, or Centimeters Cubed/Cubic Centimeters. So it's not really unambiguous. :-)

The lesson here is that there are a lot of common mutilations of scientific terms, and the english language's ambiguity doesn't help when thrown into the mix, but most of the time, given the context - most people seem to be able to get by.

The OP's problem is solved, further discussion to keep us entertained on a sunday afternoon should really go in PD to conform to the mechanics forum rules!

Whoa :blink: Why is there always someone who makes a post that basically says "this is the way I see it - any further discussion should go into PD? You guys are no longer allowed to discuss this" :shutup:

notme
13th February 2011, 14:53
Dude! Have you not been on KB long or summat?

The answer to your question is:

1. Because I'm right, you're all wrong! Unfortunately this opinion is shared by most on KB, thus slightly diluting it's effect, but hey them's the breaks.

2. Serious one this time - because it's the mechanics forum rules, and because netiquette says it's not nice.

Also note that suggesting we go to PD is not closing down the discussion or telling you you are not allowed to discuss this any more - it's just saying that we should continue it in PD. I'll keep an eye on the PD forums. :niceone:

steve_t
13th February 2011, 15:02
Dude! Have you not been on KB long or summat?

The answer to your question is:

1. Because I'm right, you're all wrong! Unfortunately this opinion is shared by most on KB, thus slightly diluting it's effect, but hey them's the breaks.

2. Serious one this time - because it's the mechanics forum rules, and because netiquette says it's not nice.

Also note that suggesting we go to PD is not closing down the discussion or telling you you are not allowed to discuss this any more - it's just saying that we should continue it in PD. I'll keep an eye on the PD forums. :niceone:

LOL. Answer 1 was what I was looking for :rolleyes::not:
Oh, sorry, people are allowed to continue discussing this but anything they say is "pointless drivel" :corn:
Cc's were corn chips until Doritos gave em the boot :innocent:

davebullet
13th February 2011, 15:47
thats to unconfuse things, cm is not a proper unit, someone probably just invented it cos they ran out of toes and fingers too quickly when working with mm :innocent:

In centipedese, the cm is quite acceptable. It wasn't until millipedes came onto the scene that they wanted their own unit of measure, hence the millimetre. Needless to say, the foreign exchange rate was 1 centipede to 10 millipedes. Shoe factories were also more propserous under the millipede era.

Latte
13th February 2011, 18:47
Nope, no misread - I'm not disputing that 1cm3 = 1cc.
What i am saying, is that "cc" is not slang, it's not political correctness, it's not convention. All it is, is an abbreviation for the correct unit. I gave "cubes" and "squares" as an example of slang, since they are commonly accepted units (as you yourself agreed - cubes is accepted to mean cubic inches) to show the difference.

Any of the terms could be used to describe engine capacity, but the majority of the time CC is used..... why?.. It's the convention... (ooo err ;) )



If you really want to get pedantic, cm3 is NOT the "correct unit" as you claim - it is but one representation of the correct unit, when written down in english. Another representation is "cc". Another is "cubic centimeters". Another is "centimeters cubed".

ANd getting even more pedantic, we should all slap ourselves for saying "cc is an abbreviation" because it's actually an acronym. :-)

Only because you initiated the convention of calling it an abbreviation in this thread, did I continue using it...... (now I'm really just being clutching at straws)



How about one more level of pedantism? We're all guilty of this one in this thread too - "CM3" as written, can mean Construction Mechanic Third Class in the Navy, or Centimeters Cubed/Cubic Centimeters. So it's not really unambiguous. :-)

Not everyone used "Cm3", someone was smart enough to get the little 3 to work, alas I was not. Does the Mechanic Third Class count as a unit though? How many fit into a Admiral?



The lesson here is that there are a lot of common mutilations of scientific terms, and the english language's ambiguity doesn't help when thrown into the mix, but most of the time, given the context - most people seem to be able to get by.

The OP's problem is solved, further discussion to keep us entertained on a sunday afternoon should really go in PD to conform to the mechanics forum rules!

Yep, knew what you meant... was just trolling a bit... , unfortunately the missus made me work on the deck so I couldnt continue until now. But I'm tired and have a 6 pack of corona to drink (on my finished deck yehaa) so I'll wrap up here...... well played

blackdog
13th February 2011, 19:22
:rofl:

2 pages already to explain that 1=1.

are you smarter than a 5th grader?

Latte
13th February 2011, 19:26
:rofl:

2 pages already to explain that 1=1.

are you smarter than a 5th grader?

It's called conversation..... sometimes guys need more than "yup","nup", and "Pie".

And it's only 1 page for me, you using an iphone or something?

:woohoo:

blackdog
13th February 2011, 19:33
It's called conversation..... sometimes guys need more than "yup","nup", and "Pie".

And it's only 1 page for me, you using an iphone or something?

:woohoo:

pies, beers, tits and cubes usually enough to keep me happy.

ahh shit, am i even allowed to say cubes on here anymore?

Daffyd
13th February 2011, 19:34
1cc = 1ml.

. Funnily enough, a cc or ml of water weighs about 1g. :done:

Actually 1cc or 1ml of pure water weighs EXACTLY 1g. (gramme)

Ocean1
13th February 2011, 19:39
Actually 1cc or 1ml of pure water weighs EXACTLY 1g. (gramme)

At 4deg C.

Daffyd
13th February 2011, 19:46
At 4deg C.

Yeah...forgot the temperature factor. :facepalm:

Latte
13th February 2011, 20:01
At 4deg C.

And if you ^3 that you get CC, so 1ml^3 (1ml) = 1g^3 (1g) at 4cc.

Now I'm confused.

Sigh... part cut.

BASS-TREBLE
13th February 2011, 20:09
The question in post #1 was answered in post #2, and confirmed in post #3.

Now, at post #34 there are still white knuckled typers arguing that cc=cubic centimeters - gotta love KB

notme
13th February 2011, 20:48
The question in post #1 was answered in post #2, and confirmed in post #3.

Now, at post #34 there are still white knuckled typers arguing that cc=cubic centimeters - gotta love KB

Eh? No one's arguing that cc=cubic centimeters, the discussion is about terms and conventions and so on....and fukkit, it's an interesting discussion too! (IMNSHO). People are sometimes soo good at thinking everything is a personal attack, there's not many around willing to have a good chinwag anymore!

Hiss gets it, but unfortunately I must spread my seed, ooer I mean rep before he gets any more bling :niceone: but I hear he's on the bottle so he probly won't notice. Time for another Coubon and Boke for me, then I'm really taking me own advice and leaving this drivel before it becomes pointless :drinkup:

imdying
14th February 2011, 14:06
In the future to save yourself some time, try Google, it'll give you answer straight away :)

Always remember... "I don't know the answer, but Google does!"

Sure it won't give you the cure for cancer, but with easy shit like this it's always the win. Oh, and it won't wank on for a pages of drivel on the correct abbreviation to use etc ;)

Crasherfromwayback
14th February 2011, 14:13
The annoying tendancy of the Yanks is to measure motorcycle engines in Cibic Inches :no:

That's because the good old US of A ain't metric mate.

ynot slow
14th February 2011, 15:35
10CC-good band remember "Don't like Cricket,OOH nooo I luve it"

ellipsis
14th February 2011, 15:50
...if I can see for miles and miles and fucking miles, how many kilometers is that , and would I see further with metric or imperial binoculars....

RDjase
14th February 2011, 16:56
Just to confuse things milli litre get said as "1mil" or "10 mils"

A mil is a measurment of angle. NATO standard compass. 6400 in a circle/360 degrees

Start at Point A, walk 1Km to Point B, move to your left 1 metre to Point C

The angle measured from Point A to Between B and C is 1 mil

Based on pye but 6283 is a horrible number to fit onto a compass so it got rounded up to 6400

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_mil

notme
14th February 2011, 17:03
Neat, I had never heard of the angular mils one.

Here's another spoken miscommunication one though - in engineering CAD/CAM a mil is a thousandth of an inch. Bit of a bugger when a hole is meant to be say 80mils (3.14mm) and it gets drilled to 80mm! :facepalm:

Hitcher
14th February 2011, 18:02
Actually, cm3 is the correct unit, as is mL. "cc" is an abbreviation or slang unit

Just as the correct plural of ml is ml (no s on the end). And it doesn't get a capitalised L as there is no famous dead physicist called Litre.

steve_t
14th February 2011, 18:08
Just as the correct plural of ml is ml (no s on the end). And it doesn't get a capitalised L as there is no famous dead physicist called Litre.

I have to disagree with you, Hitcher. Litre, is represented by a capital L :yes:

Edit: Son of a bitch. Google says the SI unit is either L or l or mℓ

Carry on

RDjase
14th February 2011, 18:21
Neat, I had never heard of the angular mils one.

Here's another spoken miscommunication one though - in engineering CAD/CAM a mil is a thousandth of an inch. Bit of a bugger when a hole is meant to be say 80mils (3.14mm) and it gets drilled to 80mm! :facepalm:

Havnt heard of that one , Is that American software?

I think from memory a 100th of a mm is a graduation, about 4 thou of a inch/ mils in your CAD programme

No wonder fuck ups happen.

The NZ Army used to use everything, Inchs, centimetres, (pet hate , dress makers mesurment) Miles, Kms, depends who and how old they are, and the the "mils" as in navigation, "mls" as in milllitres, "mm" as in millimetres. all said the same
Hope they dont now !

You will see mils in Brackets next to degrees in maps on the Legend

Ocean1
14th February 2011, 18:34
You will see mils in Brackets next to degrees in maps on the Legend

Only on enemy maps.

Proper unit of angle is a Point.

Any other item is foreign gibberish, utterance of which ranks up there with mutiny, sodomy and damaging the paintwork.

notme
14th February 2011, 18:36
Havnt heard of that one , Is that American software?


It's standard in all electronics layout software internationally, as well as some 3D modeling and milling machine type CAD stuff - but you're on the right track, the yanks are the only ones still using imperial in engineering so the measurements are still in use and thus still in the tools. :facepalm:

RDjase
14th February 2011, 18:43
Only on enemy maps.

Proper unit of angle is a Point.

Any other item is foreign gibberish, utterance of which ranks up there with mutiny, sodomy and damaging the paintwork.

Jeez, I must have a Enemy Map of the Kaweka Ranges at home, I bet pop down to my local CI5 shop and drop it off !
I will give it to Cowley, Bodie or Doyle wont do this time

What is a "Point" ?

blackdog
14th February 2011, 18:46
What is a "Point" ?

1/10th of a gram of methamphetamine

RDjase
14th February 2011, 18:52
Proper unit of angle is a Point.


What is a "Point" ?



1/10th of a gram of methamphetamine


Funny sort of angle :gob::facepalm:

Ocean1
14th February 2011, 18:56
What is a "Point" ?

Wikidude: "The point, used in navigation, is 1/32 of a full circle. It is a binary subunit of the turn. 1 point = 1/8 of a right angle = 11.25° = 12.5 gon. Each point is subdivided in four quarter-points so that 1 turn equals 128 quarter-points."

Admittedly not normally used nowdays, in spite of us having won the war. Never in fact used on maps either. Nevertheless, there was a time when bawling "luff 'er up twenty two degrees, Helm" would have caused some comment on the quarterdeck.

steve_t
14th February 2011, 18:57
Proper unit of angle is a Point.



Thought it was radian(s)

RDjase
14th February 2011, 19:02
Wikidude: "The point, used in navigation, is 1/32 of a full circle. It is a binary subunit of the turn. 1 point = 1/8 of a right angle = 11.25° = 12.5 gon. Each point is subdivided in four quarter-points so that 1 turn equals 128 quarter-points."

Admittedly not normally used nowdays, in spite of us having won the war. Never in fact used on maps either. Nevertheless, there was a time when bawling "luff 'er up twenty two degrees, Helm" would have caused some comment on the quarterdeck.

Fairly chunky angle, best not use that in one in the bush

Would have been around with the rood?, perch and chain days

Ocean1
14th February 2011, 19:14
Fairly chunky angle, best not use that in one in the bush

Would have been around with the rood?, perch and chain days

Was good enough to get them home when they had just lead, log and latitude. I can't imagine how.

Edit: I was taught "point" for describing heading changes, and I aint old.

Much.

RDjase
14th February 2011, 19:18
Was good enough to get them home when they had just lead, log and latitude. I can't imagine how.

Edit: I was taught "point" for describing heading changes, and I aint old.

Much.

I wonder how many didn't make it home too..............

You need a GPS to get to the local Dairy now