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KateZed
14th February 2011, 16:04
Hi Ladies!
I have been riding for about 3 months and went to sit my BHS and FAILED!!
I cant believe it but couldnt get my bike around the cones for the weave, and only could do the U turn sweeping the right way. (Plus i'm a little pissed at myself for wasting $70!!)
Maybe a mind set thing?
I ride a GSX and am fairly competent on the road. The guy reckoned that my bike was too big??
Has anyone else experienced this and any tips for getting through it? The feedback I was getting from everyone prior was it would be a piece of piss and that I couldnt fail!
He had a little GN125, has anyone had to sit this test twice and do you reckon it would be easier on his bike?
Thanks heaps!!
Kate
EJK
14th February 2011, 16:06
First of all, sorry to hear bad luck :(
Second, sure. The 125 would be easier than a near-full-sized GSX250.
Atleast you didn't crash during the test :facepalm:
You know, the FULL THROTTLE of PANIC OF DEATH straight to the wall. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
Crasherfromwayback
14th February 2011, 16:06
Unless you're a real midget, the GSX should be fine.
Practice, practice and practice some more! You'll get there.
Gone Burger
14th February 2011, 16:26
Better luck next time miss! You're bike should be just fine, nothing a little practise won't fix I'm sure.
Actually, my instructor should have failed me when I did mine. I think I ran over every cone on the entire course every time as I had never ever been on a bike and he had not shown me how to change gears. So I wasn't giving a hoot about the cones, I needed to get in the right gear without falling off. I had a laugh when he said I passed!!! I wasn't going to argue, that's for sure. :facepalm:
The Everlasting
14th February 2011, 16:29
Sorry to hear you failed,but as previously stated,just practice the things you did on the BHS,and when you think you have got it,go back and try again!
I'm sure you will pass then,also it's important to take your time,and don't rush it.
Jantar
14th February 2011, 16:29
Wait untill the 250 cc limit is removed from learners and watch how many fail the BHS test. There are heaps of bikes that are just physically too big to weave through the cones. In many cases it isn't even possible to try and walk the bike through, but this is what happens when the test is designed for a particular bike. Next time do it on a GN125 and you'll have no trouble.
kilgh
14th February 2011, 16:29
You are definately not the only one to fail the test. The day I did mine there was a list of that week's students and there was a big FAIL through one of the five. Just gonna have to practice where you went wrong until it's automatic and take the test again. :niceone:
I took three goes at my car licence. Was a very nervous 15yr old. Was too wound up to concentrate properly. Could drive alright but I don't test well. Toughed it out and finally got there. All my friends got there first time, so not good for the ego. :facepalm: Confidence can be everything.
steve_t
14th February 2011, 16:31
The 125 will probably be easier for you. You have to make sure you don't look at the cones or you're more likely to hit them.
Slow speed manoeuvres are actually generally harder than pootling around - look at how many people drop their bikes in car parks, in their driveways, at petrol stations etc. For the u-turns, make sure you squeeze the tank with your knees. Not sure why it works but it helps.
As Crasher said, practice, practice, practice. Good luck for next time :scooter:
JimO
14th February 2011, 16:32
when my boys did theirs on a NZ250 suzuki the instructor told them they didnt have to stay close to the cones, they could make the turns wide if you know what i mean, also practice riding slow using the clutch and throttle to balance the bike, go to a empty carpark put some cones or something to mark where the cones will be and practice
Maha
14th February 2011, 16:37
You're riding a bike without a license?
Hawkeye
14th February 2011, 16:41
You're riding a bike without a license?
+1.
That's first thing that came into my head. Been riding for 3 months and fails the BHS. :shit:
Please tell me the 3 months HASN'T been on the road!
:( Just re-read the original post and realize YOU HAVE been riding on the road.:facepalm:
Tauranga - not Wellington! Phew!:sweatdrop
rapid van cleef
14th February 2011, 16:47
ok firstly, dont people have to pass the BHS before they can go on the road? otherwise whats the point. maybe i've missed somthing.
also, slow speed control(cones and u turns, mini roundabouts in the rain etc) is done with throttle and clutch constant as in reach biting point, get the engine revving harder than you think it should. many people dont rev the engine hard enough for slow manouveres........ and speed controlled by rear brake
just keep practicing but not on open roads until you have a license
everyone in the uk has to do theirs on a 125, lotsa cones etc for a couple of hours. then onto the road for half a day.the day i did mine in the uk a guy got sent home after prooving he was ok in the yard cos he could control a bike, but went round a roundabout the wrong way!
just cos you can stop n start n change gears doesnt make you safe on the road...not by along way
you shouldnt be let onto the roads unless you can proove that you can control a bike with basic skill. it took me longer than most to get to grips with it, but just keep doing it.
steve_t
14th February 2011, 16:53
ok firstly, dont people have to pass the BHS before they can go on the road?
You're supposed to do the BHS test AND scratch-and-win before you hit the road :scooter:
phill-k
14th February 2011, 17:03
Hi Ladies!
I have been riding for about 3 months and went to sit my BHS and FAILED!!
I cant believe it but couldnt get my bike around the cones for the weave, and only could do the U turn sweeping the right way. (Plus i'm a little pissed at myself for wasting $70!!)
Maybe a mind set thing?
I ride a GSX and am fairly competent on the road. The guy reckoned that my bike was too big??
Has anyone else experienced this and any tips for getting through it? The feedback I was getting from everyone prior was it would be a piece of piss and that I couldnt fail!
He had a little GN125, has anyone had to sit this test twice and do you reckon it would be easier on his bike?
Thanks heaps!!
Kate
Bad luck kate
do it on the GN125 and ignore the posters who go on about being on the road, ya have to do it sometime and I'm sure none of those posters exceed the speed limit etc, just remember when you're out there there is no steel between you and the tar.
Enjoy.
Maha
14th February 2011, 17:13
Bad luck kate
do it on the GN125 and ignore the posters who go on about being on the road, ya have to do it sometime and I'm sure none of those poster exceed the speed limit etc, just remember when you're out there there is no steel between you and the tar.
Enjoy.
Fuck off, she has NO license, what sort of advice is that give?
A certified riding instructor clearly beleives she is not ready for the road.
phill-k
14th February 2011, 17:22
Fuck off, she has NO license, what sort of advice is that give?
A certified riding instructor clearly beleives she is not ready for the road.
She states herself she is comfortable riding the bike she has and guess what I believe her, so you don't ever break the speed limit, roll through a compulsory stops etc, etc.
Oh and the proof of her ability she is still here to post, if ya really worried about people without licenses go attack all the asian drivers in ak with their weetbix licenses.
I wouldn't get my bike through the cones either, but did ok on a GN, oh and please don't swear at me as I get upset.
sil3nt
14th February 2011, 17:43
She states herself she is comfortable riding the bike she has and guess what I believe her, so you don't ever break the speed limit, roll through a compulsory stops etc, etc.
Oh and the proof of her ability she is still here to post, if ya really worried about people without licenses go attack all the asian drivers in ak with their weetbix licenses.
I wouldn't get my bike through the cones either, but did ok on a GN, oh and please don't swear at me as I get upset.How can she be comfortable riding her bike if she can't even take it through the very BASIC handling test?
EJK
14th February 2011, 17:48
:corn:
This ought to be good.
phill-k
14th February 2011, 17:49
How can she be comfortable riding her bike if she can't even take it through the very BASIC handling test?
I have no idea but she says she is competent on her bike and I for one won't argue with her on that statement and as long as she realises that her life is on the line, I'll support getting out there and doing it.
Stirts
14th February 2011, 17:51
Seriously though.....
she just didn't wear a low cut top when she sat her BHS :facepalm:
Mom
14th February 2011, 17:51
ok firstly, dont people have to pass the BHS before they can go on the road?
You would expect so. The BHS has to be obtained and then you need to do the scratchy, 25 ordinary, plus 10 specialist questions, then you can obtain your learners.
ignore the posters who go on about being on the road. Enjoy.
Terrible advice to give. She obviously does not have the BASIC skills required to ride a bike on the road, she just failed her BHS! She is at grave risk of doing herself some serious harm without even the basics under her belt. This kind of situation leaves me cold. No friggen wonder our crash rate is so high with attitudes like this.
blackdog
14th February 2011, 17:52
Seriously though.....
she just didn't wear a low cut top when she sat her BHS :facepalm:
lol that'll get the attgatt crew all wound up
Little Miss Trouble
14th February 2011, 17:57
Seriously though.....
she just didn't wear a low cut top when she sat her BHS :facepalm:
Be afraid sweets, she's on YOUR roads!
phill-k
14th February 2011, 17:59
Terrible advice to give. She obviously does not have the BASIC skills required to ride a bike on the road, she just failed her BHS! She is at grave risk of doing herself some serious harm without even the basics under her belt. This kind of situation leaves me cold. No friggen wonder our crash rate is so high with attitudes like this.
As I have just posted, the OP states she is competent on her bike, perhaps she had a bad hair day on the day she sat her BHT, or perhaps the tester just doesn't like chicks on bikes, who knows, but she does say she is happy on her bike and she is still alive after 3 months so the odds are she will be OK.
I can't ague with her stats
DMNTD
14th February 2011, 18:00
Well I gather it was Bill that failed you in your test.
If he failed you, you shouldn't be riding on the roads anyway.
Get some practice up so it's safer for you AND safer for me for you to be sharing the roads with the rest of us.
You'll be right. :yes:
phill-k
14th February 2011, 18:01
You lot need to also be telling her to wear a hi vis vest over her bikini
Genestho
14th February 2011, 18:02
I have no idea but she says she is competent on her bike and I for one won't argue with her on that statement and as long as she realises that her life is on the line, I'll support getting out there and doing it.
HER life is on the line yeah but what about if she were to take someone with her?
Because she says she's competent? Where do you draw the line? Eh? ffs:facepalm:
Support her to get out there for sure, to go get her BASIC SKILLS TEST sorted first!
DMNTD
14th February 2011, 18:02
As I have just posted, the OP states she is competent on her bike, perhaps she had a bad hair day on the day she sat her BHT, or perhaps the tester just doesn't like chicks on bikes, who knows, but she does say she is happy on her bike and she is still alive after 3 months so the odds are she will be OK.
I can't ague with her stats
There are 2 testers in Tga...both are keen to get ladies riding.
Agreed...maybe a 'bad hair day' when she went for her test. Better at her test than riding over the Kaimais! :facepalm:
sunhuntin
14th February 2011, 18:04
i nearly failed the cone thing on a gn250. the tester said the bike was "too long" and set the cones as wide as he was allowed. theres no way id get my virago through them, and thats a 250. rest of the test was a breeze, cept for the cones.
i did pass the BHS, but even then i had to walk the bike home. actually got asked by an old lady if i had run out of petrol, lol. :sunny:
Nasty
14th February 2011, 18:10
Hi Ladies!
blah blah
I ride a GSX and am fairly competent on the road. The guy reckoned that my bike was too big??
Has anyone else experienced this and any tips for getting through it? The feedback I was getting from everyone prior was it would be a piece of piss and that I couldnt fail!
He had a little GN125, has anyone had to sit this test twice and do you reckon it would be easier on his bike?
Thanks heaps!!
Kate
kate
I didn't fail I just used his bike to do the cones ... drove me nuts that my FXR150 was too big but the smaller bike made a huge difference!
Gl
Stirts
14th February 2011, 18:16
Fark, I don't trust anyone on the roads!!!
I have been afraid of very "experienced riders" "fully licenced" riders on our roads too!
Don't get me wrong, I don't condone learner riders riding on the road without some form of trainning but FFS the BHS is a FARCE!!! I know, I should never have passed mine!!! I can't help it if my tits were having a great hair day.
So give the girl a farking break!!!!
Hawkeye
14th February 2011, 18:19
As I have just posted, the OP states she is competent on her bike, perhaps she had a bad hair day on the day she sat her BHT, or perhaps the tester just doesn't like chicks on bikes, who knows, but she does say she is happy on her bike and she is still alive after 3 months so the odds are she will be OK.
I can't ague with her stats
Ok. I'm a 747 pilot. It must be true because I state I can fly. I've been flying for 3 years but the examiner failed me because I can't land the plane. I'm still here though, by sheer luck I haven't killed myself. I haven't actually proven to anyone that I have the required skills but hey, according to you that doesn't matter.
Oh! and I'm also a brain surgeon. :yes:
The whole point of the BHS is to ensure that they do not put themselves OR OTHERS at risk and have proven to an examiner that they are competent to handle the basics on a bike. It's not her evaluation that counts. It's the official examiners.
phill-k
14th February 2011, 18:23
HER life is on the line yeah but what about if she were to take someone with her?
Because she says she's competent? Where do you draw the line? Eh? ffs:facepalm:
Support her to get out there for sure, to go get her BASIC SKILLS sorted first!
Fuck off how many bikers have been taken out by other bikers, turn your concern to the thousands of incompetent car drivers they are the ones you need to be concerned about
phill-k
14th February 2011, 18:28
Ok. I'm a 747 pilot. It must be true because I state I can fly. I've been flying for 3 years but the examiner failed me because I can't land the plane. I'm still here though, by sheer luck I haven't killed myself. I haven't actually proven to anyone that I have the required skills but hey, according to you that doesn't matter.
Oh! and I'm also a brain surgeon. :yes:
The whole point of the BHS is to ensure that they do not put themselves OR OTHERS at risk and have proven to an examiner that they are competent to handle the basics on a bike. It's not her evaluation that counts. It's the official examiners.
your avitar sums it up ya full of shit mate, if you think a highly aware new person is a risk rather than all the piss poor cage drivers on the road you're looking in the wrong direction, Ill be you if you are taken out it won't be by a small 250 bike but a fuckwit in a cage.
Genestho
14th February 2011, 18:29
Fuck off how many bikers have been taken out by other bikers, turn your concern to the thousands of incompetent car drivers they are the ones you need to be concerned about
Oi, mind your language will you?
That's exactly why I ask you - "where do you draw the line", it's clearly bad enough now, without encouraging unskilled road users of any type onto the roads.
fatzx10r
14th February 2011, 18:31
I ride a GSX
thats the problem, get a zx10r and you'll be fine. :shutup:
phill-k
14th February 2011, 18:33
Oi, mind your language will you?
That's exactly why I ask you - "where do you draw the line", it's clearly bad enough now, without encouraging unskilled road users of any type onto the roads.
So lets close the roads to all inexperienced riders and drivers, what a load of shit mate, everyone gains experience somewhere and if you think the BHT sets you up with the right skills to survive on the road your delusional mate fucken delusional
Hawkeye
14th February 2011, 18:40
your avitar sums it up ya full of shit mate, if you think a highly aware new person is a risk rather than all the piss poor cage drivers on the road you're looking in the wrong direction, Ill be you if you are taken out it won't be by a small 250 bike but a fuckwit in a cage.
What has my avatar got to do with it?:scratch:
phill-k
14th February 2011, 18:45
Hi Ladies!
I have been riding for about 3 months and went to sit my BHS and FAILED!!
I cant believe it but couldnt get my bike around the cones for the weave, and only could do the U turn sweeping the right way. (Plus i'm a little pissed at myself for wasting $70!!)
Maybe a mind set thing?
I ride a GSX and am fairly competent on the road. The guy reckoned that my bike was too big??
Has anyone else experienced this and any tips for getting through it? The feedback I was getting from everyone prior was it would be a piece of piss and that I couldnt fail!
He had a little GN125, has anyone had to sit this test twice and do you reckon it would be easier on his bike?
Thanks heaps!!
Kate
Kate
Welcome to the mad world of KB
There has been a lot of vitriol spouted here by the do gooders the religious nuts and those that seem to be able to judge you better than you can.
If you feel competent out there that is your judgement no one else's, as long as you accept the responsibilities of being on the road, you can be killed and can also kill, you will be ok.
I for one believe you can judge whether you should or shouldn't be on the road, I'm sure as you learn you will want to expand your knowledge either off road or on the track, remember we all actually started off ad you have, some of us rode for years without a license, others gained all their licenses and then believed they knew it all and killed themselves, the BHT, nor full license proves you are capable as some ably demonstrate on our roads.
Its a great way to move enjoy.
Genestho
14th February 2011, 18:47
So lets close the roads to all inexperienced riders and drivers, what a load of shit mate, everyone gains experience somewhere and if you think the BHT sets you up with the right skills to survive on the road your delusional mate fucken delusional
Yes, everyone gains experience somewhere, mine personally was the ownership of two moto-X bikes on farmland.
I've also done some refreshers which got me out of some bad habits when I bought my road bike which I've since taken to the track.
I know BHS won't set anyone up to survive on the road at speed
I debate the fact you'd support an unlicensed inexperienced rider on the roads.
If it's ok to do so for Motorcyclists, is it also acceptable for car drivers? :blink: hence "where do you draw the line" Can't have it both ways..
EDIT: It bothers me that people whinge about negative media/police attention, cagers, and Govt restrictions when in some cases, we don't even bother to help ourselves!
Little Miss Trouble
14th February 2011, 18:49
Hi Ladies!
I have been riding for about 3 months and went to sit my BHS and FAILED!!
I cant believe it but couldnt get my bike around the cones for the weave, and only could do the U turn sweeping the right way. (Plus i'm a little pissed at myself for wasting $70!!)
Maybe a mind set thing?
I ride a GSX and am fairly competent on the road. The guy reckoned that my bike was too big??
Has anyone else experienced this and any tips for getting through it? The feedback I was getting from everyone prior was it would be a piece of piss and that I couldnt fail!
He had a little GN125, has anyone had to sit this test twice and do you reckon it would be easier on his bike?
Thanks heaps!!
Kate
Okay, serious reply time, get someone locals help to set up a practise course with cones all the correct distance etc and go over each part of the test until you are confident.
Don't look at the cones, set yourself up heading straight for them then look up and ahead to where you want to go to, you will still see the cones in your peripheral vision and should be able to get through them no worries.
Genestho
14th February 2011, 18:53
Okay, serious reply time, get someone locals help to set up a practise course with cones all the correct distance etc and go over each part of the test until you are confident.
Don't look at the cones, set yourself up heading straight for them then look up and ahead to where you want to go to, you will still see the cones in your peripheral vision and should be able to get through them no worries.
Sense at last, thankyou!:woohoo:
phill-k
14th February 2011, 18:53
Yes, everyone gains experience somewhere, mine personally was the ownership of two moto-X bikes on farmland.
I've also done some refreshers which got me out of some bad habits when I bought my road bike which I've taken to the track.
I know BHS won't set anyone up to survive on the road at speed
I debate the fact you'd support an unlicensed inexperienced rider on the roads.
If it's ok to do so for Motorcyclists, is it also acceptable for car drivers? :blink:
I don't support anything but can tell you the BHT won't prove anyones ability, I couldn't get my current bike through those cones, the tester himself told her her bike was to big, so that just proves what a crock of shit the test is, and sitting the scratchies won't improve her abilities. Unless you are prepared to state all new riders have to speend 6mths or something in the dirt or on the track your and everyone's argument is a crock of shit.
Genestho
14th February 2011, 18:56
:blink: You're still not comprehending what I've taken issue with...but I'll agree with the last statement!
phill-k
14th February 2011, 18:59
Sense at last, thankyou!:woohoo:
So these exercises will keep her safe, you're joking mate, or I bloody hope you are, might see her being able to get round a round about, but won't teach her a bloody thing about all the hazards out there including the tossers driving cages, other dick head bikers, road conditions,riding in the wet, fuck I could go on and on, all of that comes from being on the road not riding round cones.
DangerMice
14th February 2011, 19:01
No license, no insurance, can't pass BHS. :facepalm:. Hope she has plenty of savings for when she smacks into that Merc.
Genestho
14th February 2011, 19:01
So these exercises will keep her safe, you're joking mate, or I bloody hope you are, might see her being able to get round a round about, but won't teach her a bloody thing about all the hazards out there including the tossers driving cages, other dick head bikers, road conditions,riding in the wet, fuck I could go on and on, all of that comes from being on the road not riding round cones.
NO! But it will hopefully help her pass her BHS Test, which is why she's posted! Aka - Positive, legal, helpful encouragement!
Little Miss Trouble
14th February 2011, 19:04
Sense at last, thankyou!:woohoo:
I'd offer to do it myself (taught a few people in the work carpark back when I still had a 250) if I hadn't just shifted out of BOP back to Auckland
KiWiP
14th February 2011, 19:09
Not dealing with the rights or wrongs as everyone has their personal take on that.
Riding on the roads without your learners will get you into trouble if caught. Which you can do by a random stop (bad luck), a legitimate stop (because you've brought yourself to "the man's" attention - likely if you're not good at the basics) or you crash (really bad if someone gets hurt/killed)
If you failed I would reckon you have done no training with someone who knows what they are talking about. I would recommend you have a lesson before you sit the next one. A good instructor will give you buckets of little pointers to keep you alive above and beyond what you need to pass the BHS. Mine did (cheers QCKCHK).
Best of skill (but no luck) for next time
Okey Dokey
14th February 2011, 19:47
Find someone to help you practice low speed riding somewhere. Cones would be ideal, but even doing small circles or figure-eights would be great. Please get your BHS before you hit the roads anymore. The liabilities on your head are too great to ignore.
I did my BHS on a GSXR 750- no shit. The only bike available to me. I had to trailer it to and from the course. Don't lie to yourself that your 250 is too big. Master the skill involved, be proud and then move on to road riding :yes:
Qkkid
14th February 2011, 20:12
I have no idea but she says she is competent on her bike and I for one won't argue with her on that statement and as long as she realises that her life is on the line, I'll support getting out there and doing it.
One of the reasons why you have to do a Basic Handling Skills test and you have to pass to be on the road is
1 Everything is done at slow speed to show your competency at riding slow
Anyone can go fast but to go slow takes a little skill
2 Cone weave is all about clutch control, shifting bodyweight around as going through the cones.
Now if you cant manage these things "basic" fundamental manuoveurs
then you surely shouldnt be on the road?:yes:
neels
14th February 2011, 20:13
Practice.
A search on the interweb will give you the layout of the cones to practice on, get yourself some empty coke bottles and set them up in a car park.
Check out if the tester also does a pre test instruction deal, might be worth the money to get a few pointers before you do the test rather than coughing up for the cost of another fail.
And riding without a licence is a bit naughty and a bit risky, insurance companies enjoy hounding uninsured people for all eternity for the cost of accident repairs.
rustic101
14th February 2011, 20:35
Hey there Kate,
I've never done a BHT, I got my licence by being followed by Kerry Salt the local MOT bike cop. It was straight forward as he use to try and chase me prior to me actually having a licence..
I learnt how to ride on a farm, then Moto Cross as a kid and teen. The great thing about riding dirt bikes is it improves your balance, field of vision and reaction skills, plus other benefits. Give it a crack you will learn far better skills riding at slow speed and in an area that allows you to focus on the task rather than everything else around you which should may could help you pass the test.
With respect to the cone things, never look at the ground or object you are navigating around, look where you want to go. Seriously I would get a mentor.
From a moral, safety (yours /others) and legal perspective Kate - please, I implore you get legal first, then hit (no pun intended) the roads. No mater how good you think you may be.
Mom
14th February 2011, 20:40
Fuck off how many bikers have been taken out by other bikers
A few too many :yes:
turn your concern to the thousands of incompetent car drivers they are the ones you need to be concerned about
If you dont keep wary of the SIDNSY drivers, you are a fool.
There has been a lot of vitriol spouted here by the do gooders the religious nuts and those that seem to be able to judge you better than you can.
If what I have posted is vitriol, then I own it :headbang: I am not a religious nut!
I would enjoy the opportunity to share a coffee with you so I can really understand where you are coming from. Feel free to ring/text me to arrange a convenient time.
Mom 0274 599 925 - for the record my name is Anne.
Mom
14th February 2011, 20:52
Seriously though.....
she just didn't wear a low cut top when she sat her BHS :facepalm:
Some of us dont have big tits to show off...:facepalm:
hellokitty
14th February 2011, 20:54
I ride a GSX and am fairly competent on the road. The guy reckoned that my bike was too big??
Kate
My husband did the BHS test on a 1200 Bandit and he did the cones with no issues.
Wait untill the 250 cc limit is removed from learners and watch how many fail the BHS test. There are heaps of bikes that are just physically too big to weave through the cones. In many cases it isn't even possible to try and walk the bike through, but this is what happens when the test is designed for a particular bike. Next time do it on a GN125 and you'll have no trouble.
It can be done on a 1200 Bandit...
perhaps the tester just doesn't like chicks on bikes,
I had one of those and I passed 100%
i nearly failed the cone thing on a gn250. the tester said the bike was "too long" and set the cones as wide as he was allowed. theres no way id get my virago through them, and thats a 250. rest of the test was a breeze, cept for the cones.
I can do cones on my bike = a 750cc cruiser
If someone has been riding on the road for 3 months, they should be able to do the basics surely??
hellokitty
14th February 2011, 20:55
Some of us dont have big tits to show off...:facepalm:
Big tits only come in handy when wanting discounts at bike shops.
Tink
14th February 2011, 20:55
I have noticed Kate has not much to say, I hope the positive feed back from LMT and others is good advice.
Mom hope you get contacted... :)
I am still learning every time I get on my bike, or on kb... every day and I can say I am fully licensed, the BHS might seem not worthy of some here, but its a step on too the road so if you can't pass it... there is something missing... and you need to work on it, nerves, bad hair, whatever... don't blame the bike, the cones, talk to the instructor before you do it... blah blah.
Then join the "Ban the fun police".... but do it legal!
DMNTD
14th February 2011, 20:57
Big tits only come in handy when wanting discounts at bike shops.
Oh I dunno, I had this guy come in on Saturday...oh never mind :sick: :shutup:
Mom
14th February 2011, 21:01
Big tits only come in handy when wanting discounts at bike shops.
I have fake ones I can call on in an emergency :sunny:
No time to find the pic tonight...
True Agony was a group I used to sing with :yes:
hellokitty
14th February 2011, 21:06
I have fake ones I can call on in an emergency :sunny:
Eat more pies - will increase both butt and boobage :blink:
Maha
14th February 2011, 21:09
She states herself she is comfortable riding the bike she has and guess what I believe her, so you don't ever break the speed limit, roll through a compulsory stops etc, etc.
Oh and the proof of her ability she is still here to post, if ya really worried about people without licenses go attack all the asian drivers in ak with their weetbix licenses.
I wouldn't get my bike through the cones either, but did ok on a GN, oh and please don't swear at me as I get upset.
You have no arguement.
rustic101
14th February 2011, 21:10
Why is it that men are obsessed big big tits? Personally I subscribe to 'more than a mouthfuls a waste'....And what about a nice diff, nothing nicer than a nice tight diff IMO:innocent:
Spearfish
14th February 2011, 21:16
Blind leading the blind.
Thinks it commendable she is so keen to get out there, but a real shame she hasn't found a mentor.
Most testers will do an hours or so training before the test to sort out your habits and they throw the bike in free. Its cheaper than a wrecked pair of jeans.
Genestho
14th February 2011, 21:16
I will just clarify - I am in no way religious, far from it and if I'm labelled a do gooder, Whoopty doo - tough, it's not the worst that can happen.
I've been through a lot and lost a lot, been able to achieve a lot and I challenge anyone to survive or to further do what I have, under similar gruelling circumstances.
One of the reasons why you have to do a Basic Handling Skills test and you have to pass to be on the road is
1 Everything is done at slow speed to show your competency at riding slow
Anyone can go fast but to go slow takes a little skill
2 Cone weave is all about clutch control, shifting bodyweight around as going through the cones.
Now if you cant manage these things "basic" fundamental manuoveurs
then you surely shouldnt be on the road?:yes:
I have to say I learnt a lot in the refreshers, day one I was there three or four hours and was shattered afterwards.. the instructor takes the BHS Test, so I knew I was in good hands.
I would never have hugged the tank tight with my thighs, (always loosely sort've hung them out, maybe dirtbike style) looked further ahead at where I'd wanted to go.
I'd never would've bothered to stand up on my bike with the back brake on with the clutch biting for 10 minutes, cone weaving and figure 8's.
I was able to control the bike at slow speed in preparation for learning at high speed - which I haven't done much of as yet at the track, it's hard for me to get away..but am definately feeling more confident of my own abilities..
hellokitty
14th February 2011, 21:19
Why is it that men are obsessed big big tits? Personally I subscribe to 'more than a mouthfuls a waste'....And what about a nice diff, nothing nicer than a nice tight diff IMO:innocent:
An intelligent man will say he likes whatever it is that his woman has.... be it large or small bum/boobs etc. :yes: :yes:
rustic101
14th February 2011, 21:24
An intelligent man will say he likes whatever it is that his woman has.... be it large or small bum/boobs etc. :yes: :yes:
Bugger explains why I'm single,,, Clearly I'm too honest:facepalm:
Gubb
14th February 2011, 21:34
Some of us dont have big tits to show off...:facepalm:
Some of us do.
Gubb
14th February 2011, 21:37
I couldn't get my current bike through those cones, the tester himself told her her bike was to big
This guy begs to differ.
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Katman
14th February 2011, 21:42
I couldn't get my current bike through those cones
Perhaps you should work on your own skills instead of mouthing off.
hellokitty
14th February 2011, 21:46
Get yourself some cones and practice! I collected some and would spend ages doing cones on the lawn... partly because I was practising and partly because I was bored - I didn't have a road bike or license then, and had to amuse myself somehow.
superman
15th February 2011, 01:29
I found myself more shocked that people were allowed to ride on the road after that little piddly test. Did it with never having ridden anything but a scooter before the day.
Had a great teacher there though, and paid the extra $50 to have a 2 hour session learning how to control the bike while doing the BHS. :yes: Well worth it. Girl in my group who had never been on a bike and had only ever driven automatic cars. Fun to see someone almost pop wheelies on a GN125 from just letting the clutch go. :innocent:
Carparks are wonderful creatures. They can teach many a thing, from knee downs to stoppies. Use them to your advantage!
Grubber
15th February 2011, 06:00
Go spend some money on some basic riding skills. Get it sorted before the next time round. But DON'T get your practice done on the same stretch of road that i ride on, or any road for that matter.
Anyone who is advocating that she should practice on the road without a licence can stop right there too.
If she hits your bike, you do realize she won't have insurance to cover it don't you?:facepalm:
Spearfish
15th February 2011, 06:08
This guy begs to differ.
Far Canal, imagine if that was the bhs:blink:
Ahhh, I see, you do have to lean around corners.....:shit:.....:facepalm:....
phill-k
15th February 2011, 07:22
Perhaps you should work on your own skills instead of mouthing off.
So says you - Passing the BHT does not show you have the skills or ability to go out on the roads, all it shows is you can manoeuvre a bike at slow speed.
And for your info I have the ride like a pro DVD and have started to go through the slow handling skills in that. For my own satisfaction and to improve my own skills on the bike I ride, but that won't teach me anything about street and open road riding. For that very early in my getting back on a bike I obtained the Police Motorcycle handling book, read and re read that book and still pick it up at times, oh and I have also purchased the Twist of the wrist II DVD and book as well, even the ACC funded DVD's have some interesting viewing in them.
I'm fascinated with all those that have come on here, proclaiming by their statements, anger whatever that the riding without the BHT will bring death and damnation but if Kate passes that, she will be safe on the roads, I'm sorry but I don't agree.
BoristheBiter
15th February 2011, 07:33
So says you - Passing the BHT does not show you have the skills or ability to go out on the roads, all it shows is you can manoeuvre a bike at slow speed.
And for your info I have the ride like a pro DVD and have started to go through the slow handling skills in that. For my own satisfaction and to improve my own skills on the bike I ride, but that won't teach me anything about street and open road riding. For that very early in my getting back on a bike I obtained the Police Motorcycle handling book, read and re read that book and still pick it up at times, oh and I have also purchased the Twist of the wrist II DVD and book as well, even the ACC funded DVD's have some interesting viewing in them.
I'm fascinated with all those that have come on here, proclaiming by their statements, anger whatever that the riding without the BHT will bring death and damnation but if Kate passes that, she will be safe on the roads, I'm sorry but I don't agree.
What ever you think of the BHS test it is the process used for getting your licence, unless you condone riding/driving without a licence. Do you?
What about a car licence or truck?
Maha
15th February 2011, 07:35
''riding without the BHT will bring death and damnation but if Kate passes that, she will be safe on the roads, I'm sorry but I don't agree''.
But you agree and advocate that riding a bike on the road unlicensed is ok?
If a young fulla was driving a WRX unlicensed for whatever reason and cleaned you out on the road, would you still think it an ok thing to do?
Like I said earlier, you dont have an arguement, you cant argue against what is law.
MSTRS
15th February 2011, 07:50
I get where you are coming from, PhillK... :moon:
Are you sensing there's a but?
The lack of a bit of paper (licence) does not mean one cannot ride a bike/drive a whatever. BUT a basic premise for being on the roads is that a licence is mandatory. No ifs, no buts. And to get that bit of paper for a bike, one must prove to TPTB that one can perform adequate control of a bike to the tester's satisfaction. The test isn't difficult, either. Don't pass = not good enough to go on the roads. Sure, road riding isn't weaving in and out of cones, or riding 10 feet without leaving a 4 inch line or whatever, but there's a shitload more to roadriding than just point'n'shoot and try to stay upright.
In an earlier post of your's, you stated how many incompetent cardrivers there are out there. You are right. You also know that not a single learner car driver has done a practical before being let loose? What does that tell you?
And as for bikes taking out others...not a rare thing at all.
Riders that can't pass the BHS test have no place on the road.
Fullstop.
phill-k
15th February 2011, 08:13
''riding without the BHT will bring death and damnation but if Kate passes that, she will be safe on the roads, I'm sorry but I don't agree''.
But you agree and advocate that riding a bike on the road unlicensed is ok?
If a young fulla was driving a WRX unlicensed for whatever reason and cleaned you out on the road, would you still think it an ok thing to do?
Like I said earlier, you dont have an arguement, you cant argue against what is law.
In your eyes I don't have an argument, but if you actually read my full post you will see what I have done to better understand the riding I do, none of that is required by the licensing process, and NO ONE here has suggested to Kate that she gets the ACC DVD's or purchases the books I mention to help her understand the road riding craft. Yes I agree a few have suggested getting some training, and to that I'd agree, but having a BHT is not going to give her the skills to ride on the road and nowhere in the requirements for the learners is there any requirement for skills greater than BHT which in my eyes is a crock of shit and has nothing to do with the MRX driver taking me out on the road, that is a policing issue and frankly I see little difference in doing 120km an hour on the open road and riding a bike competently (her words) without the BHT.
Maha
15th February 2011, 08:37
Fact is Phil, she is not allowed to be on the road driving a car or riding a bike unlicensed, end of story.
p.dath
15th February 2011, 08:42
I cant believe it but couldnt get my bike around the cones for the weave, and only could do the U turn sweeping the right way. (Plus i'm a little pissed at myself for wasting $70!!)
Hi Kate.
I help out a lot at NASS in Auckland:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/wiki/North_Auckland_Street_Skills
And low speed skills are difficult to learn. We spend a lot of time working on them to help people. Even after riding for a couple of years my own low speed riding skills are not as good as I would like them to be.
being able to recognise your own weak areas is a great sign. Those that fail to recognise their own weaknesses are a risk to themselves.
So don't beat yourself up over it. Just learn from it and move on.
I'd be tempted to ask for a mentor online (as in here). Or if you don't mind spending a little bit of money, a couple of hours with a riding instructor is likely to make all the difference.
There are two skills you could learn to help riding really slowly. The first is to try leaning the opposite way you want to turn (so if you are turning the bike left, lean the bike a little bit left and lean your body a little bit RIGHT). So your body weight is counteracting that of the bike. This lets the bike turn a lot tighter.
Secondly, deliberately slipping the clutch and using the rear brake. So deliberately apply a little bit more revs than you would normally. Start to let the clutch out, but don't let it out all the way - so that it is slipping - and so that the throttle is still on a little bit applying power. And if you need to ride even slower, apply the rear brake - so the the engine is driving against the rear brake.
Sounds counter-productive, I know - but it helps to have power being applied by the engine, even when riding really slow, to keep the bike stable.
A lot of new riders pulse the clutch in and out, which works initially, but makes really slow or really tight corners more difficult.
If you want to practice a difficult exercise, try this. With the bike stopped turn the bars to full lock. And then do a stationary start u-turn, while maintaining full lock. It's quite a difficult exercise for new riders (I find this difficult for me!). But if you can do that, then you'll find cone weaving easier.
A great attitude to adopt is that riding is an ongoing learning experience. 5 years from now you'll still be learning. 10 years from now you'll still be learning.
And I'll mention it again, try and find a mentor or an experienced rider. Learning through practice alone won't make you a great rider - because you don't know what you don't know. Every now and then you need the input of someone more experienced - and they'll tell you something you never thought of, and suddenly something will click and something will become easier.
Spearfish
15th February 2011, 09:09
In your eyes I don't have an argument, but if you actually read my full post you will see what I have done to better understand the riding I do, none of that is required by the licensing process, and NO ONE here has suggested to Kate that she gets the ACC DVD's or purchases the books I mention to help her understand the road riding craft. Yes I agree a few have suggested getting some training, and to that I'd agree, but having a BHT is not going to give her the skills to ride on the road and nowhere in the requirements for the learners is there any requirement for skills greater than BHT which in my eyes is a crock of shit and has nothing to do with the MRX driver taking me out on the road, that is a policing issue and frankly I see little difference in doing 120km an hour on the open road and riding a bike competently (her words) without the BHT.
If she cant pass something as underrated/easy/basic as the BHS test then how can she be safe with just road craft. Road craft requiers a rider who has BHS at a high level
It's all supposed to be done in small but significant steps.
Learn the controls-learn how to control the bike with some automation so when your on the road there is thinking space for the next steps- small laps around familiar 50k roads and on and on with some formal lessons along the way.
If there is ever going to be a system that stops letting learners down and adds real personal value the the skills of riding well, it will have to involve formal training up to or better than the 6R before EVER being let loose unsupported on the roads. Learners don't even know enough to know what to ask, mostly it will be "I went for a ride and then suddenly this happens (insert event here) I got (insert level of personal damage or other) so why did that happen?".
Why go through all that and possibly loose another enthusiastic capable rider and the friends she could draw in to riding due to the 'If you survive right of passage we currently have"
KateZed, don't take anything said here personally, its about the situation you are in rather than who you are.
imdying
15th February 2011, 11:15
She states herself she is comfortable riding the bike she has and guess what I believe her, so you don't ever break the speed limit, roll through a compulsory stops etc, etc.I'm comfortable doing those things, should I go and do them too?
I'm surprised you failed... here in Christchurch, it's more of a lesson, and they just keep you going round and round the cones till you can do it well enough to pass.
You might want to reconsider road riding till you've passed... it's really quite easy, so you should remember you're at the bottom of the bucket regarding bike riding skills if you can't pass it. Having said that, a Sunday afternoon in a car park with some markers and you'll be whipping through the cones in no time, so it's not a long lay off.
p.s. A girlfriend of mine ran into a wall during her BHS, luckily the instructor had his back to her :laugh:
And make one of these local yokels come out and give you pointers!
nomnomnom
15th February 2011, 11:18
Dont worry chicky! Chin up, give it another go on a small bike! If i did the BHS on the bike I bought as a first bike (Suzuki bandit) i know i would probably have failed. The slow weave and stuff are pretty tricky first time.
When i did my BHS i went to a learner course thing first and hired a bike from them too, really little bike easy as to manovere. Did half a day practising before sitting the test and passed with flying colours :) Before this I had never even sat on a motorbike in my life!
Youll get there! :yes:
Spyke
15th February 2011, 12:05
i had to laugh when i turned up to my test, had to use one of their bike that weren't upto warrent standard eg tyres at like 5 psi and it would stall if you didn't hold the throttle open a little. now this is a test you pay 70 bucks for and this was a proper driver training centre. now that is revenue gathering some people have only just learnt to ride a bike and they are expected to do it with a shit bike. mind you i passed 95% (one foot down through the cones) as the tyres made it rather difficult to lean the bike over at all.
Mad-V2
15th February 2011, 14:05
The BHS is a great idea and I think that if you can't get through it without hitting a cone or dropping the bike, you should have to rebook it for another day.
You don't get second chances on the day with your Restricted test so why get a second chance on the test designed to see if you can ride a bike in the first place.
Riding in town requires that you know how to control your bike at low speed, things like stalling at a set of lights can get you killed these days.
I did my test on my TL1000s, I rode it from Whakatane to Tauranga, got on the GN125 they had for the test but it was a dangerous piece of shit so I asked if I could use my own bike, he said that would be fine as its a closed carpark and should be funny as it will probably be too big for the cone weave anyway. (didn't even mention that I shouldn't be riding my bike on the road)
I passed with ease as I'd owned my bike for 5 years already and had grown up riding dirt bikes in forestry.
Traveling on the road is dangerous no matter what you are riding/driving and should not be taken lightly. In my own opinion dirt riding is the best way to learn and should be considered before even thinking about riding on the road. You can learn to control brake lockups and general loss of traction, makes you more aware of unseen obstacles and even helps you to learn the proper way to fall if the worst should happen.
A confident rider will turn up to the BHS test and know they will pass with ease, if you cant do that, go back and keep practicing.
Ferkletastic
15th February 2011, 20:08
Alas the poor damsel hath been done wrong, I will defend her honor and she wilt 'reward' me...
http://drunkweeaboo.com/img/internet%20white%20knight.gif
She ain't gonna do it son. Chill.
phill-k
15th February 2011, 20:24
http://drunkweeaboo.com/img/internet%20white%20knight.gif
She ain't gonna do it son. Chill.
Don't remember posting that, you like altering others posts to satisfy your own needs?
Problem with KB is there are more and more wankers on here that have nothing to contribute but think they are real comedians, don't give up your cleaner job, cause you got no talent.
blackdog
15th February 2011, 20:25
http://drunkweeaboo.com/img/internet%20white%20knight.gif
She ain't gonna do it son. Chill.
:rofl: :woohoo:
Katman
15th February 2011, 20:48
Don't remember posting that, you like altering others posts to satisfy your own needs?
Problem with KB is there are more and more wankers on here that have nothing to contribute but think they are real comedians, don't give up your cleaner job, cause you got no talent.
You're kidding, right?
It was the post of the thread.
:killingme
KateZed
16th February 2011, 13:33
Thanks so much everyone for your help.
Sounds like practice is the key. I will get there!! haha
Also...Just to clarify - when i said out on the road, i mean i live semi-rural. So i ride down to the closest subdivision and ride around there, not like out on the road road.
Also when i mean 3 months i mean i've owned the bike three months and spent the first month "learning" (obviously I need a new tutor!! haha) at our neighbours on their driveway and with my sporting commitments can only get out a couple of nights a week to my local subdivision.
Also whoever it was prattling on about insurance - thank you, due to my occupation I know all the rules!!
kilgh
16th February 2011, 13:48
:2thumbsup Nice reply!
rustic101
16th February 2011, 13:55
Also whoever it was prattling on about insurance - thank you, due to my occupation I know all the rules!!
Whilst 'labels' are for jam jars, you could slap a different label on everyone in here. The one thing most people have is a genuine concern for you and others combined with a willingness to want to help.:woohoo:
Best of skills (luck) next time ;)
KateZed
16th February 2011, 14:08
All your comments have inspired me to re book my BHS, with a lesson prior!!
I would rather good skills be keeping me on the road, rather than just science!
KateZed
16th February 2011, 14:09
Whilst 'labels' are for jam jars, you could slap a different label on everyone in here. The one thing most people have is a genuine concern for you and others combined with a willingness to want to help.:woohoo:
Best of skills (luck) next time ;)
:love: Genuinely appreciated :love:
imdying
16th February 2011, 16:53
You won't need luck, you know what's coming now, so you'll be able to ride rings around the course next time :yes:
DJSin
16th February 2011, 17:29
All your comments have inspired me to re book my BHS, with a lesson prior!!
I would rather good skills be keeping me on the road, rather than just science!
Definitely rebook and practice!!
Hope to see you out on the Tga streets (legally of course :woohoo: ) sometime
PrincessBandit
16th February 2011, 17:36
Agreed...maybe a 'bad hair day' when she went for her test. Better at her test than riding over the Kaimais! :facepalm:
You can say that again!!!
Fuck off how many bikers have been taken out by other bikers, turn your concern to the thousands of incompetent car drivers they are the ones you need to be concerned about
Snicker
Don't look at the cones, set yourself up heading straight for them then look up and ahead to where you want to go to, you will still see the cones in your peripheral vision and should be able to get through them no worries.
I can't believe her bhs tutor wouldn't have told her that, shirley???
Some of us do.
Ooooh moobies!
Don't remember posting that, you like altering others posts to satisfy your own needs?
Don't take it too personally, it's a favourite passtime around here mate.
caseye
16th February 2011, 22:43
Kate, sorry but it has to be said.
Please don't ride on "the road" until you have your BHS firmly in your grasp.
I apprecaite your particular circumstance and that you may well be up to speed with insurance etc.
Many here have concentrated on the advice and positive encouragement aspect.
Your one outstanding advocate, who was as ignorant of your meaning of "On the road" as the rest of us were.
Seems hell bent on telling everyone else here(most of whom have full licences and years of expereince at riding motorcycles on the open road) that it's OK for you or anyone else who thinks that they can, to do so without being approved to do so by a qualified instructor.
Who, I'd venture didn't want to fail you, but felt compelled to do so for you own safety.Of course also for the safety of those already on the road whatever they may be riding or driving who have at least passed their tests and are approved to be there.
This thread has already gone to 7 pages.
The invitation from Mom is, I can assure you phil K a genuine one.Take her up on it, explain it to her and lets hear back from Anne soon about how this meeting went.
Your attitude towards kate and her initial post is truely amazing.
it's dangerous enough out there with all of the unlicenced, unregistered drivers and riders, unwarrantable cars and bikes without encouraging someone with so few riding skills to go out there and give it a go , never mind that just one slip and her and anyoine else close enough to her at the time could and most probably would be badly /severely hurt.
The word "Irresponsible" comes to mind but frankly thats too soft.
I believe it should be "Truely Un Fucking Believeable" that in this day and age you have continued to spout forth about people needing to learn somewhere and that it';s OK if it's on the road, when clearly for Kate and her BHSC ( by the way, it is a Basic Handling Skills Certificate) Instructor it is NOT OK.
Yours being the only voice among the many in this thread saying, Ok, how is it that you still haven't got it.
IT IS NOT OK! to go on the open road without being certified, full stop end of arguement.
GPXchick
17th February 2011, 01:26
So i met with this great guy Trevor Birchall. I had never ridden a bike before EVER! Within 1 hr 45 mins i had learnt the basic controls and passed my test. NOW WHAT. so i came on here and got some great advice. My block and neighbours must be spewin listening to me UP and down all bloody day when i can..... GO to the test use the GN125, its so easy to manipulate around those cones, FOLLOW YOUR NOSE, watch this guy i have learnt so much from using Throttle, clutch back brake control. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xJTju_gUqA this guys technique has really helped me. GOOD LUCK NEXT TIME don't give up :yes:
KateZed
17th February 2011, 11:56
Kate, sorry but it has to be said.
Please don't ride on "the road" until you have your BHS firmly in your grasp.
...Abridged...
IT IS NOT OK! to go on the open road without being certified, full stop end of arguement.
Thank you for your opinion Caseye, after 7 pages of comments I really was just after some advice (and previous experiences) on the BHSC. I felt I needed to give a bit of background on my circumstances so people could give me some accurate advice.
It really wasn't my intention for people to comment on whether I (or anyone) should be on the road without a licence.
I certainly am no angel along with all the other people in NZ that break the law in some respect!
Had I left that part out it would have made the difference of about 6.5 pages of comments... being a newbie to KB I have certainly learnt my lesson the hard way! haha
I have gotten the advice (and encouragement) I needed (Thank you everyone).
On speaking to the bike instructor yesterday he thinks a half an hour lesson will bring me up to speed which is good to hear. :yes:
I will keep ya'll posted!
Qkchk
17th February 2011, 12:06
In the BHS test there is an allowance to extend the cones from 3.5M to 4M (still with an offset of 0.5M) for motorcycles with a longer wheelbase. Would of thought the instructor would of 'tested' your bike on the cone weave (http://www.ridertraining.co.nz/573/index.html) to see if they could actually do it at 3.5M!
I hope you got a friend to ride the bike to the testing ground for you! :innocent:
Hellzie
17th February 2011, 12:33
1. Rules / laws are usually there for a reason
2. Even if the BHS doesn't teach you EVERYTHING you need to know about riding it is an essential part of learning to ride, and a legal requirement
3. When learning to ride, a good attitude to have is that there's always more to learn, and that there's plenty of time to do it, so don't rush or take shortcuts.
Little Miss Trouble
17th February 2011, 16:23
Also...Just to clarify - when i said out on the road, i mean i live semi-rural. So i ride down to the closest subdivision and ride around there, not like out on the road road.
Not the new subdivision out past Pyes Pa?
I can't believe her bhs tutor wouldn't have told her that, shirley???
The way I read the OP was that she didn't have a lesson before hand, just paid for the test itself... I could be wrong, in which case, yes they should definitely have told her that.
steve_t
17th February 2011, 16:38
Kate, sorry but it has to be said.
Please don't ride on "the road" until you have your BHS firmly in your grasp.
Just to clarify something I'd said earlier in the thread - Don't you need to have your Learner's Licence before you ride on "the road"? Just having the BHS/BHSC or whatever you want to call it isn't enough is it?
Crasherfromwayback
17th February 2011, 19:06
Thank you for your opinion Caseye, after 7 pages of comments I really was just after some advice (and previous experiences) on the BHSC. I felt I needed to give a bit of background on my circumstances so people could give me some accurate advice.
It really wasn't my intention for people to comment on whether I (or anyone) should be on the road without a licence.
Listen...something you'll very soon learn about KB. You're female. Half of the guys here want to root you, the other half want to put you down because they're sad cunts, and feel theatened by a chick on a bike. But all of them probably have one thing in common. They probably learnt to drive a fucking car, without a licence, with either a mate, or a parent sitting next to them on the seat, on the very same roads we all share. Hands up who didn't? You think you would've got insurance if you'd smashed your old mans HQ into the side of a Rolls Royce way back then?
A lot of you people mean well I know...but for fucks sake! Hypocrisy sucks serious arse. I say go you. It seems to me you already know your limitations and are riding to them.
Maha
17th February 2011, 19:10
My hand is up...
First driving lesson I had was from an Aunty around a her street in an Morris 1100.
I advanced to driving lessons from and instuctor, three lessons from memory.
Got my license and I was away.
Never once did I drive on the road without being licensed.
Even when did my BHS, I got Anne to drive me down to Northcote....passed that very day.
Bought a 600 while still on my restricted, got a fully licensed mate to go and pick it up from Auckland for me.
And yes, before you ask, I rode the 600 while on my restricted.
Which half do come under Pete?
I am married to a female biker so I guess theres another catagory?
Crasherfromwayback
17th February 2011, 19:24
My hand is up...
First driving lesson I had was from an Aunty around a her street in an Morris 1100.
Never once did I drive on the road without being licensed.
Bought a 600 while still on my restricted, got a fully licensed mate to go and pick it up from Auckland for me.
And yes, before you ask, I rode the 600 while on my restricted.
And there you have it! By the way..you obviously did drive on the road whilst being unlicensed. So you see folks...first stone an all. Good on you for being man enough to fess up.
Crasherfromwayback
17th February 2011, 19:29
Which half do come under Pete?
I am married to a female biker so I guess theres another catagory?
Sorry. Forgot to answer that bit! I was referring to the guys here (male and female) that are knocking the op. I was not (and never would) knocking her, as I too learnt on public roads how to drive, well before I was legally able to. To this day, I've never had an accident whilst driving.
hellokitty
17th February 2011, 20:13
And there you have it! By the way..you obviously did drive on the road whilst being unlicensed. So you see folks...first stone an all. Good on you for being man enough to fess up.
The first time I drove a car was when my loser bf came to pick me up and was so drunk he couldn't walk straight. I had to drive a mint Valiant Charger back to his house - I think I drove down the middle of the road because I was scared of hitting parked cars. I was so ignorant that I didn't even know the difference between a manual and an automatic - I was trying to change gear in an auto.
The week after that he nearly killed me while driving drunk.
Got my learners and driving lessons the following week.....
Crasherfromwayback
17th February 2011, 20:19
Anyone need a cheap brand new Alpinestars TX-1 Jacket?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=355614587
MSTRS
18th February 2011, 08:24
Just to clarify something I'd said earlier in the thread - Don't you need to have your Learner's Licence before you ride on "the road"? Just having the BHS/BHSC or whatever you want to call it isn't enough is it?
Yep. 6L is granted via the scratchie test (do they still do 5 oral as well?). Can't do the scratchie without showing the BHS pass.
Listen...something you'll very soon learn about KB. You're female. Half of the guys here want to root you, the other half want to put you down because they're sad cunts, and feel theatened by a chick on a bike. But all of them probably have one thing in common. They probably learnt to drive a fucking car, without a licence, with either a mate, or a parent sitting next to them on the seat, on the very same roads we all share. Hands up who didn't? You think you would've got insurance if you'd smashed your old mans HQ into the side of a Rolls Royce way back then?
Depends how far back you want to go...
Early 1970s - the traffic wasn't as thick (shall we say), the cars/bikes didn't have the same power, there was no requirement to have a licence when accompanied by a licence holder (except on a bike and there was no BHS, just the multi choice/oral test), and the penalties for being caught without a licence were not exactly severe. "Go get a licence, and we'll say no more about it"-sort of thing.
Hawkeye
18th February 2011, 10:05
+1.
That's first thing that came into my head. Been riding for 3 months and fails the BHS. :shit:
Please tell me the 3 months HASN'T been on the road!
:( Just re-read the original post and realize YOU HAVE been riding on the road.:facepalm:
Tauranga - not Wellington! Phew!:sweatdrop
Thanks so much everyone for your help.
Sounds like practice is the key. I will get there!! haha
Also...Just to clarify - when i said out on the road, i mean i live semi-rural. So i ride down to the closest subdivision and ride around there, not like out on the road road.
Also when i mean 3 months i mean i've owned the bike three months and spent the first month "learning" (obviously I need a new tutor!! haha) at our neighbours on their driveway and with my sporting commitments can only get out a couple of nights a week to my local subdivision.
Also whoever it was prattling on about insurance - thank you, due to my occupation I know all the rules!!
:facepalm::o Thank you for clarifying the situation Kate. As has already been said, the general theme of this thread has been take care, get some help, and do it the right way. You appear to be doing just that. So good on you.
Good luck with the next test. You know what you need to work on so you will get there.
oh! and welcome to KB
You have now realised that anything posted on KB will get interpreted lot's of different way's. Take the good...... and ignore the dross.
GSXR Trace
18th February 2011, 10:10
I agree with the others to keep practicing, however when i turned up on an fxr the instructor told me to sit the test on his GN due to the size of the fxr, so maybe ask if you can do it on their bike and it will be even easier. However it is 8 years since I sat my basic handling so they may not allow that now, I don't know. Also i think if you go and do a couple of practice sessions with the instructor and then sit it with them, it may help
good luck
buellbabe
18th February 2011, 11:25
Phew...its taken me 2 days to read all this thread, I found myself feeling a bit sorry for Katezed at some point but a part of me was thinking the same as many others about the no licence but riding it on roads?
So it turns out that by that she meant around the local subdivision so thats a bit better but still not ideal.
I got my licence so many years ago that I am a bit out of touch with the steps a learner has to go through these days but my advice is to get some training from a professional. I know there are training courses available that will take you right through to the Basic Handling final test and you should have a licence by the end of it.
For the record when I got my bike licence the steps went like this
Friday:Answer 5 oral questions
Pass :yes:. Instant provisional licence which allowed me to ride a bike up to and including 250cc
Saturday Morning: take delivery of brand spanking new yamaha DT175.
happy happy joy joy
Saturday Arvo and Sunday Morning: learn to ride motorbike around the sports field that happened to border my property (how convenient!)
Sunday Arvo: got told off by local cop for riding on the grass field so took it to the nearest Foodtown carpark...not open on Sunday back then!
Monday Morning: riding to work...
6 months later did a ride around cones then around the block followed by a cop and was granted a restricted licence which became automatically full after another 6 months.
YEE HAAAAAAA!
Since then, a shit load more riding and life experience and you are never too experienced to stop learning new skills.
ENJOY!
Gone Burger
18th February 2011, 12:49
Anyone need a cheap brand new Alpinestars TX-1 Jacket?
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Nice plug Pete.... :rockon:
Crasherfromwayback
18th February 2011, 13:36
Nice plug Pete.... :rockon:
Well...safety and I go hand in hand ya know!:innocent:
cold comfort
18th February 2011, 20:26
[QUOTE=KateZed;1129987878]Thanks so much everyone for your help.
Sounds like practice is the key. I will get there!! haha
If it makes you feel better my wife (whilst in professional tutelage) shot off the end of the cones, impaled the bike on the end of one barrier arm, her face with the other. Result; one black eye, one dead bike, and severe embarrassment.:facepalm:
davebullet
18th February 2011, 20:35
Slow speed and general road riding are completely different skillsets.
Someone can be competent enough to pootle around and duck waddle when they need to. Doesn't mean they'll pass their BHS - but it doesn't mean they are a deathtrap on the road either.
Kate - you will pass with practice. Get yourself to a dis-used parking lot. Schools can be quite useful (google some and with satellite view you might find some with decent carparks). You know what you are practicing for. Just remember to keep your eyes up and level - never never look down! (that's one sure way to hit cones!).
KateZed
21st February 2011, 11:29
If it makes you feel better my wife (whilst in professional tutelage) shot off the end of the cones, impaled the bike on the end of one barrier arm, her face with the other. Result; one black eye, one dead bike, and severe embarrassment.:facepalm:
Haha - this has made me feel better, although a little sorry for your wife, I hope she recovered!!
For anyone that was interested... I re-sat my test yesterday and PASSED!! Woohoo!! :yes:
MSTRS
21st February 2011, 11:30
Well done!
Now you can get the bit of paper that makes you legal...
steve_t
21st February 2011, 11:31
Haha - this has made me feel better, although a little sorry for your wife, I hope she recovered!!
For anyone that was interested... I re-sat my test yesterday and PASSED!! Woohoo!! :yes:
Congrats!! :scooter:
Go here for help with your scratch-and-win ;)
http://www.drivinginstructor.co.nz/tests.php
R-Soul
21st February 2011, 14:39
Sound slike you need to understand a little technique about low speed manouvering.
When manouvering at low speed, you should lean outwardly in a corner. This has the effect of making the bike lean inwardly. This decreases its turning circle, and makes it more manouverable. Try it. It works. DO NOT DO THIS AT HIGH SPEED (eg more than 10km/hr)
Also before going into a corner, pick a small spot or mark that you want to ride over as you leave teh corner. Then follow your path back through the corner, to give you your line and where you should start that corner from.
DJSin
21st February 2011, 18:51
Haha - this has made me feel better, although a little sorry for your wife, I hope she recovered!!
For anyone that was interested... I re-sat my test yesterday and PASSED!! Woohoo!! :yes:
Woohoo - I was just wondering how you were going
CONGRATS!!!!! :woohoo:
kilgh
21st February 2011, 19:27
Well done!
phill-k
21st February 2011, 19:37
Haha - this has made me feel better, although a little sorry for your wife, I hope she recovered!!
For anyone that was interested... I re-sat my test yesterday and PASSED!! Woohoo!! :yes:
Good on ya, but it doesn't change anything Kate, there is still just you between upright and the tarseal, enjoy and be safe, if you are interested in a good book that can explain a lot about road craft and survival, go get yourself a copy of the Police motorcycle handbook it explains an awful lot about staying safe.
p.dath
22nd February 2011, 07:06
For anyone that was interested... I re-sat my test yesterday and PASSED!! Woohoo!! :yes:
Well done for not giving up, continuing on, and passing!
Hellzie
22nd February 2011, 07:30
For anyone that was interested... I re-sat my test yesterday and PASSED!! Woohoo!! :yes:
Well done!!! Now the fun begins!!! :yes:
R-Soul
22nd February 2011, 14:47
Well done. Now do everything you can to read up about the techniques you need. And attend as many courses as you can. Riding a bike is NOT like riding a car- not just anybody can do it safely. You actually need to have some skill and technique. So get some.
Spearfish
22nd February 2011, 15:03
For anyone that was interested... I re-sat my test yesterday and PASSED!! Woohoo!! :yes:
Just the theory test to go, then your away!!
nodrog
22nd February 2011, 15:36
....Riding a bike is NOT like riding a car...... So get some.
How the hell does one ride a car?
Fanny.
Crasherfromwayback
22nd February 2011, 15:39
How the hell does one ride a car?
Fanny.
Easy!232873
Latte
22nd February 2011, 17:16
Easy!
Now thaats claaaaaaassy!
motor_mayhem
22nd February 2011, 19:14
Kate, sorry but it has to be said.
Please don't ride on "the road" until you have your BHS firmly in your grasp.
I apprecaite your particular circumstance and that you may well be up to speed with insurance etc....IT IS NOT OK! to go on the open road without being certified, full stop end of arguement.
I'm sure you've never broken a law in your life either...
For anyone that was interested... I re-sat my test yesterday and PASSED!! Woohoo!! :yes:
Great stuff!, I was worried all the wet blankets around here could put you off getting your licence for good. While they were right to be a bit worried about their safety in general, noone seems to bother to present their opinion in an encouraging manner. I am definitely an advocate of riding off road to help build skills in (usually) a more forgiving environment and on a more forgiving bike. IMO there is also a lot more fun to be had.
Smifffy
22nd February 2011, 19:23
WooHoo!!!
Way 2 go!
Rhys
22nd February 2011, 19:38
well done :yes:
KiWiP
22nd February 2011, 20:14
For anyone that was interested... I re-sat my test yesterday and PASSED!! Woohoo!! :yes:
Yay well done you... Now get lots of Ks, training, help etc etc Restricted next
Remember this thread (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/125905-Restricted-test-experiences-and-advice) for then as there are good experiences from people who have done it.
Ride safe ride forever :woohoo:
Smifffy
22nd February 2011, 20:40
Yay well done you... Now get lots of Ks, training, help etc etc Restricted next
Remember this thread (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/125905-Restricted-test-experiences-and-advice) for then as there are good experiences from people who have done it.
Ride safe ride forever :woohoo:
Yeah don't muck about, go for R then F as soon as you can. I can't see the point of hanging about on R forever like some noobs roundhereabouts.
tate35
20th March 2011, 20:22
Hi Kate,
Sorry to hear you failed. When I did mine I took my gn250....which was fine, except I had difficultly with the cones....(mainly because the carpark was so small and he had laid cones out really tight together) anyway I did pass with I was stoked as same thing people kept telling me it's a piece of piss - you will pass :shutup: But, I wanted to say even my gn seemed bit too big.
Anyway, don't be disheartened and have another go. Good luck!!! :yes:
Hi Ladies!
I have been riding for about 3 months and went to sit my BHS and FAILED!!
I cant believe it but couldnt get my bike around the cones for the weave, and only could do the U turn sweeping the right way. (Plus i'm a little pissed at myself for wasting $70!!)
Maybe a mind set thing?
I ride a GSX and am fairly competent on the road. The guy reckoned that my bike was too big??
Has anyone else experienced this and any tips for getting through it? The feedback I was getting from everyone prior was it would be a piece of piss and that I couldnt fail!
He had a little GN125, has anyone had to sit this test twice and do you reckon it would be easier on his bike?
Thanks heaps!!
Kate
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