Bring in "tent city"

[Scuba_Steve]

This is a common problem & still no-one has addressed it, this should NOT be a true statement, yet time & time again it is.

Two young men told a judge that they reoffended because their life is better behind bars.

Bring in 'tent city' make prison life shit, make people NEVER want to return!

A couple of pics from the already established 'tent city'
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Full Stuff/Manawatu Standard article here (http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/4650310/Burglary-pair-say-life-better-in-prison)

[scumdog]

Been watching Sky??

[Scuba_Steve]

Been watching Sky??

long time ago that where I first saw tent city :yes: but the Stuff article is what brought this about, it is quite common for people in NZ to commit crimes purely for the reason of returning to their 3 star (albeit restricted) accommodation this really needs to be stopped & I quite like 'tent city' as the way to do it

[Paul in NZ]

I agree with you as my opinions regarding punishment for some crimes tend to be a little on the biblical side... However - its a pretty complicated problem. People in prison for a long time are really going to struggle to get going again so often, no matter how shitty it is, prison IS the only option.

On the other hand - some people should just be exterminated

[Fatt Max]

Send them here, that will frighten the shit out of 'em...

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[Swoop]

A nice tent city on the Desert road would be perfect.
Toasty warm in summer and relaxingly cool in winter.

The new Auckland jail is a fucking hotel. Sky tv in each cell ffs!:facepalm:



Send them here, that will frighten the shit out of 'em...
Mum went there once... (seemed to enjoy it as well:blink:).

[javawocky]

Thought this was a holiday resort just outside Hamptondowns but apparently its a correctional facility...
http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=hamptondowns+auckland&aq=&sll=-36.857064,174.850717&sspn=0.025238,0.055747&ie=UTF8&hq=hamptondowns&hnear=Auckland&ll=-37.373278,175.080743&spn=0.006054,0.013937&t=h&z=17

[firefighter]

Tent city still costs a lot......I know of a good way to fill an old mine.

Bring in the M60.

[Scuba_Steve]

Tent city still costs a lot......I know of a good way to fill an old mine.

Bring in the M60.

in my idea tent city would only be for "buffering" (for want of a better word) our legal system isn't always accurate or fair so we can't just go round executing punishments outright. If they are repeat offenders & thus without doubt criminals, punishments will be given out fitting the crime. PC people might not like my ideas on this neither (but then they probably think tent city is "too harsh" too)

[yachtie10]

ive always thought we should let somewhere like Cambodia look after our hardened repeat offenders.
pay them maybe $1000 (rough guess) per prisoner per year
benefits
save a fortune
people will not reoffend
help a 3rd world country

Cons
not PC

[Swoop]

Thought this was a holiday resort just outside Hamptondowns but apparently its a correctional facility...
Spring Hill (http://www.corrections.govt.nz/utility-navigation/find-a-facility-or-site/find_a_corrections_facility/spring-hill-corrections-facility-shcf.html).

[scumdog]

We've got Moron Mansion down here, it's that nasty (not!) it's known as the Milton Hilton...

[firefighter]

A way to help pay for the prisons would be to set up a Big Brother scenario. Just put cameras everywhere and televise it. It can have a dedicated channel even....

When there's shit on t.v, which is all the time you can flick over and see what N.Zs finest are up to. Every cell, every room a camera.

[oneofsix]

A way to help pay for the prisons would be to set up a Big Brother scenario. Just put cameras everywhere and televise it. It can have a dedicated channel even....
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They would all be trying to get voted off. umm unless of course getting voted off meant a terminal sentence :innocent:

[firefighter]

They would all be trying to get voted off. umm unless of course getting voted off meant a terminal sentence :innocent:

Hahaha, I was'nt meaning the full-on big brother thing just take away a right of privacy, but I like the way you think!

[Scuba_Steve]

A way to help pay for the prisons would be to set up a Big Brother scenario. Just put cameras everywhere and televise it. It can have a dedicated channel even....

When there's shit on t.v, which is all the time you can flick over and see what N.Zs finest are up to. Every cell, every room a camera.

My idea was similar but put them on an island & film with massive $$$ pay-per-veiw subscriptions and there aint no rules on the island 'cept you gotta stay there!.
They want to go round killing/beating people will now they can legally 'till death (which probably wouldn't be far away).

[firefighter]

My idea was similar but put them on an island & film with massive $$$ pay-per-veiw subscriptions and there aint no rules on the island 'cept you gotta stay there!.
They want to go round killing/beating people will now they can legally 'till death (which probably wouldn't be far away).

You mean like this?; <iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/BR_5zrgBiTM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[lone_slayer]

I like tent city everything now days is to PC... I also think voluntry death sentence... You dont wanna do the time theres a new tax payer friendly way out maybe you get some nice options if you take that and have to be a doner :bye:

[maggot]

I reckon they were onto it with the shipping container idea..
It's a shame they didn't finish the job and drop the fucking crates in the ocean though.

[mashman]

heh, would it be enough to prevent people from wanting to go to prison camp... hmmmm... no locked doors to protect you... murderers roaming free along with those who partake in Rimutaka rules... I love the idea, it'd encourage me to stay on the right side of the law...

[BJ250]

check out this one in Hastings. damn crims really do have the good life.


http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Bridge+Pa,+Hawke's+Bay&aq=1&sll=-37.36933,175.080764&sspn=0.005559,0.00868&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Bridge+Pa,+Hawke's+Bay&ll=-39.663047,176.782819&spn=0.005179,0.00868&t=h&z=17

[Banditbandit]

This is a common problem & still no-one has addressed it, this should NOT be a true statement, yet time & time again it is.


Bring in 'tent city' make prison life shit, make people NEVER want to return!

A couple of pics from the already established 'tent city'

If that's the prison in California run by apparently the toughest Sheriff in the States, then they have the highest repeat offender rate of US prisons at present .. so much for your deterrent!

[mashman]

check out this one in Hastings. damn crims really do have the good life.


http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Bridge+Pa,+Hawke's+Bay&aq=1&sll=-37.36933,175.080764&sspn=0.005559,0.00868&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Bridge+Pa,+Hawke's+Bay&ll=-39.663047,176.782819&spn=0.005179,0.00868&t=h&z=17

Is that a giant hopscotch court I spy :)... get some bloody tents, round 'em up in a field (not kenny everett styles :shifty:), and turn that place into a school.

[Banditbandit]

I don't know whether I sincerely hope some of you go to prison - so you'll know what it's like inside ... or whether I sincerely hope most of you never experience the inside of a prison ...

It's not anything like you think ...

[avgas]

Spring Hill (http://www.corrections.govt.nz/utility-navigation/find-a-facility-or-site/find_a_corrections_facility/spring-hill-corrections-facility-shcf.html).


We've got Moron Mansion down here, it's that nasty (not!) it's known as the Milton Hilton...


Thought this was a holiday resort just outside Hamptondowns but apparently its a correctional facility...
http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=hamptondowns+auckland&aq=&sll=-36.857064,174.850717&sspn=0.025238,0.055747&ie=UTF8&hq=hamptondowns&hnear=Auckland&ll=-37.373278,175.080743&spn=0.006054,0.013937&t=h&z=17


The new Auckland jail is a fucking hotel. Sky tv in each cell ffs!:facepalm:


check out this one in Hastings. damn crims really do have the good life.
http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Bridge+Pa,+Hawke's+Bay&aq=1&sll=-37.36933,175.080764&sspn=0.005559,0.00868&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Bridge+Pa,+Hawke's+Bay&ll=-39.663047,176.782819&spn=0.005179,0.00868&t=h&z=17 (http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Bridge+Pa,+Hawke%27s+Bay&aq=1&sll=-37.36933,175.080764&sspn=0.005559,0.00868&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Bridge+Pa,+Hawke%27s+Bay&ll=-39.663047,176.782819&spn=0.005179,0.00868&t=h&z=17)

Well fuck me.
The Prison system is a joke in NZ. And its even a bigger joke than I expected.
No wonder we have a problem with reoffenders.
Now I really think we should start killing them off. But we need to ease the idea into it.

I've got it, a lottery.
Every month 1 prisoner is randomly chosen and killed off. So they have have their good lives in prison, but the "lotto" will be like a dark cloud hanging over them.
Who's next? Who knows....

[Scuba_Steve]

If that's the prison in California run by apparently the toughest Sheriff in the States, then they have the highest repeat offender rate of US prisons at present .. so much for your deterrent!

Nope the one in Arizona with the lowest re-offender rate & "America's Toughest Sheriff: Joe Arpaio"
"recidivism rate of about 16% at Tent City vs. the national average of 85%"

[Buyasta]

Nope the one in Arizona with the lowest re-offender rate & "America's Toughest Sheriff: Joe Arpaio"
"recidivism rate of about 16% at Tent City vs. the national average of 85%"

You mean the guy who's under investigation by the DOJ, FBI, and a federal grand jury for numerous civil rights violations, and misuse of power?.. The guy who has misspent up to $80million in taxpayer money on crap including investigating political rivals, a trip to Alaskan fishing resorts for his deputies, and trips to Disneyland?

He also ran a police department where about 75% of cases declared cleared without being resolved were done so without proper investigation, with a 15% arrest rate, including 3 rapes of underage girls for the reasons that "a suspect declined to come in for questioning", "a mother did not want to pursue the investigation", and in one case before DNA had even been processed.

And as far as his actual prisons, according to a 98 study that he commissioned, there was no significant difference in recidivism of prisoners between when he was in charge and when his predecessor was.
The guy has also been ordered by the 9th circuit court of appeals to fix the conditions in his jail, as inmates (including those who are pre-trial and haven't even been convicted of anything) have been fed moldy, rotten, and contaminated food, denied treatment for serious health conditions, and generally not accorded even basic human rights.
He's also cost his state at least $43 million in wrongful death and injury claims from those poor conditions.

Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy enough for prison conditions to be made a bit more basic, but emulating a scumbag like Joe Arpaio, and denying inmates basic human rights isn't the answer to reducing crime.

If you want to get a little more of an idea about how much of a crooked asshole this guy is, there's further reading here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maricopa_County_Sheriff%27s_Office_controversies#J oe_Arpaio) and here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Controversies).

[Scuba_Steve]

You mean the guy who's under investigation by the DOJ, FBI, and a federal grand jury for numerous civil rights violations, and misuse of power?.. The guy who has misspent up to $80million in taxpayer money on crap including investigating political rivals, a trip to Alaskan fishing resorts for his deputies, and trips to Disneyland?

He also ran a police department where about 75% of cases declared cleared without being resolved were done so without proper investigation, with a 15% arrest rate, including 3 rapes of underage girls for the reasons that "a suspect declined to come in for questioning", "a mother did not want to pursue the investigation", and in one case before DNA had even been processed.

And as far as his actual prisons, according to a 98 study that he commissioned, there was no significant difference in recidivism of prisoners between when he was in charge and when his predecessor was.
The guy has also been ordered by the 9th circuit court of appeals to fix the conditions in his jail, as inmates (including those who are pre-trial and haven't even been convicted of anything) have been fed moldy, rotten, and contaminated food, denied treatment for serious health conditions, and generally not accorded even basic human rights.
He's also cost his state at least $43 million in wrongful death and injury claims from those poor conditions.

Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy enough for prison conditions to be made a bit more basic, but emulating a scumbag like Joe Arpaio, and denying inmates basic human rights isn't the answer to reducing crime.

If you want to get a little more of an idea about how much of a crooked asshole this guy is, there's further reading here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maricopa_County_Sheriff%27s_Office_controversies#J oe_Arpaio) and here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Controversies).

I never said I want the guy just his tent city idea

[Grasshopperus]

NZ believes in rehabilitation of offenders. You rehabilitate by educating them.

The idea is that educating them makes them more mature (as they 'discover' that other people feel pain etc) and mature people don't kill. This is derived from a theory that says that murder is basically an adult's tantrum or revenge and that when they mature emotionally this "kill-kill-kill" reaction disappears.

The problem is that the pissed-off public wants retribution but someone who's being punished severely isn't going to be receptive to education.

Would you prefer criminals leaving jail punished or less likely to re-offend?

* Also, I think William Weld (a former governor of Massachusetts) was the one who was all about punishment-only prisons. Recidivism rates were so high that his successor had to reverse those policies.

** I read most of this is some sort of journal once, I'm no expert in this area

[Buyasta]

I never said I want the guy just his tent city idea
Fair enough, sorry for the rant, I've read of the guy before, and he really is a corrupt weasel who seems to have pretty much the opposite opinion of most justice systems, and believe it better that 99 innocent men are jailed or executed than one guilty man go free, and that those who break any law, no matter how minor, should no longer be afforded basic human rights.


NZ believes in rehabilitation of offenders. You rehabilitate by educating them.

The idea is that educating them makes them more mature (as they 'discover' that other people feel pain etc) and mature people don't kill. This is derived from a theory that says that murder is basically an adult's tantrum or revenge and that when they mature emotionally this "kill-kill-kill" reaction disappears.

The problem is that the pissed-off public wants retribution but someone who's being punished severely isn't going to be receptive to education.

Would you prefer criminals leaving jail punished or less likely to re-offend?

* Also, I think William Weld (a former governor of Massachusetts) was the one who was all about punishment-only prisons. Recidivism rates were so high that his successor had to reverse those policies.

** I read most of this is some sort of journal once, I'm no expert in this area
I tend to agree, and I've also read several articles that link longer sentences and harsher treatment of prisoners with increased recidivism rates, but ultimately it seems the vast majority are more concerned with seeing criminals suffer than seeing them rehabilitated, with the added complication that a fairly large percentage of criminals will re-offend no matter what.

[dipshit]

Just put cameras everywhere and televise it. It can have a dedicated channel even....

When there's shit on t.v, which is all the time you can flick over and see what N.Zs finest are up to. Every cell, every room a camera.

:blink: :facepalm:


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[EJK]

Maybe they returned because they liked the bum sex.

[Scuba_Steve]

Fair enough, sorry for the rant, I've read of the guy before, and he really is a corrupt weasel who seems to have pretty much the opposite opinion of most justice systems, and believe it better that 99 innocent men are jailed or executed than one guilty man go free, and that those who break any law, no matter how minor, should no longer be afforded basic human rights.

:laugh: well guess it is to be expected, he is a cop :yes: :shutup:

[BJ250]

NZ believes in rehabilitation of offenders. You rehabilitate by educating them.

The idea is that educating them makes them more mature (as they 'discover' that other people feel pain etc) and mature people don't kill. This is derived from a theory that says that murder is basically an adult's tantrum or revenge and that when they mature emotionally this "kill-kill-kill" reaction disappears.

but how many of the these clowns who go through our prison system and come out the other end are actually rehabilitated human beings?

If you checked the Hastings prison link I posted, you can see that they have tennis courts, hopscotch boards:gob:, and fuck knows what other facilities!

My opinion is that prison is supposed to be a punishment for a crime. not a fuggin holiday ffs! the rehabilitation/ education can be done even when there are minimal comforts provided to them!

Rant over.