This country is going to the dogs!

[hXc]

This country is going to the dogs!

PC bullshit overload
Criminals getting off easy
People not standing up for their rights
Maori "rights" overload
Etc etc

What are your thoughts about it all. I personally think Helen Clarke is to blame for most of it but that's just me.

[DingDong]

I dont think it so bad...

Moari rights in particular is not a concern... maori activists do not rep. the entire maori population.

As a maori I believe:
Land can never be owned, we are all guests only
No ethnic group could/ should be denied access but must be welcomed and no ethnic group (including maori) should make their way onto land without being welcomed.
The land will still be around in 1000 or 100,000 years... mankind will not, maori activists have got it wrong, the government has got it wrong... they need to stop fighting and be nice guests.

Ko bla bla, so I brought land and built a house on it... but who will own it in 1000 years? none of us thats for sure, we're just renters

Sorry for the single focus, couldnt help myself
Cheers :whocares:

[Coyote]

Don't forget kids lighting cats on fire and the vast majority of kids being brought up with 'fiddy cent' and other rap artists as their idols

[HDTboy]

Don't forget the vast majority of kids being brought up with 'fiddy cent' and other rap artists as their idols
What's a CBR250RR MC Hammer then?

[hXc]

That's cool. I was waiting for a Maori to reply to see what he had to say to it and I believe you are a good guy from what you just said. Just a shame about those others and the way they treat us white guys.
Example - I was in town the other day with a few mates (I'm 14) and we were sitting at Macca's and some fat, lard ass Maori woman sat at the next table and my mate was saying some funny shit from movies etc and she was like "What you c***s laughing at aye?" and "Oi! You! What you laughing at? I'll crack you!" and to finish it all off..."Damn honkies over there. Fucking dickheads. Yeah don't laugh at me next time I'll smash your face in."

I just don't think that is acceptable to say that kind of thing to an innocent 14 year old with a couple of his mates. We felt unsafe and thought it was damn right rude and racist.
And those would be the first ones to say that the white people are racist and rude! Fucking fat ass bitch needs to be told something about her behaviour towards strangers in public. If I wasn't in school uniform I would of told the bitch to fuck off and find someone her own size(if that was possible!!!)

[John]

MC Hammer isnt a rapper, hes an instigator.

Dont blame music, blame the corperations that payed for it you dolts :rofl:

But seriously, dont get me started on this PC and Maori activists shit, after studying that in 7th form I learned alot about both sides of the story.

[hXc]

Don't forget kids lighting cats on fire and the vast majority of kids being brought up with 'fiddy cent' and other rap artists as their idols

They just need MORALS! And real taste in music. ALICE COOPER would be a good start!!

[Jamezo]

"The first man who, having enclosed a piece of land, thought to himself of saying This is mine, and found people simple enough to believe him, was the real founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars, and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows: Beware of listening to this imposter; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself belongs to nobody." - Jean-Jacques Rousseau

:grouphug:

ps. consider an ACT Party membership, I hear the free lobotomies given to new members work a treat for stopping schizophrenia.

[Squiggles]

But seriously, dont get me started on this PC and Maori activists shit, after studying that in 7th form I learned alot about both sides of the story.

same here, i agree with wayne thou on the renting comment :yes:

[MSTRS]

I dont think it so bad...

Moari rights in particular is not a concern... maori activists do not rep. the entire maori population.

As a maori I believe:
Land can never be owned, we are all guests only
No ethnic group could/ should be denied access but must be welcomed and no ethnic group (including maori) should make their way onto land without being welcomed.
The land will still be around in 1000 or 100,000 years... mankind will not, maori activists have got it wrong, the government has got it wrong... they need to stop fighting and be nice guests.

Ko bla bla, so I brought land and built a house on it... but who will own it in 1000 years? none of us thats for sure, we're just renters

Sorry for the single focus, couldnt help myself
Cheers :whocares:
Good call - wise words . And you are right - most do not cause the 'grief'. Bloody media concentrate on activists for the sensationalism. Pity really. It drags out all the wannabes

[Coyote]

What's a CBR250RR MC Hammer then?
But he's awesome!

[ZorsT]

This country is going to the dogs!

PC bullshit overload
Criminals getting off easy
People not standing up for their rights
Maori "rights" overload
Etc etc

What are your thoughts about it all. I personally think Helen Clarke is to blame for most of it but that's just me.

You are damn right

the new traffic laws are shit,
see here -----> http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=265363&postcount=38

thread here ---> http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=13278&page=1&pp=15

and i am just so angry that I can't think of any other reasons....

[MikeL]

This country is going to the dogs!

PC bullshit overload
Criminals getting off easy
People not standing up for their rights
Maori "rights" overload
Etc etc

I personally think Helen Clarke is to blame for most of it

Don't forget the hyperinflation, the horrendous unemployment, the total impoverishment of the population, collapse of the economy, the rampant social injustice, racial discrimination, corrupt officialdom, dishonest law courts...

Country sure is in a bad way.

Perhaps we can delve back into history and take some lessons from Signor Mussolini and Herr Hitler as to how to set things aright...

[hXc]

Anarchy is the only thing for it :rofl:
RIP Sid :Punk:

[Rainbow Wizard]

Anarchy is the only thing for it :rofl:
RIP Sid :Punk:
Anarchy vs bureaucracy.... too close to call.

I reckon, seeing as we have so many of the disruptive bastards, that we should stop importing coal for the Huntly power station and start feeding bureaucrats into the furnaces instead.....They're already full of bullshit & hot air and good for little else other than burning.

We could save the higher ranking ones for peak demand periods because they carry so much more of the otherwise useless punch that only stuffs our society full of obstacles. :Punk:

[hXc]

You try it first. I'll join in once I've done my homework!!!

[spudchucka]

bureaucracy....
Old Winston has come up with an interesting new terminology, "Bro-reaucracy". The man knows how to campaign, I'll give him that.

[Lou Girardin]

This country is going to the dogs!

PC bullshit overload
Criminals getting off easy
People not standing up for their rights
Maori "rights" overload
Etc etc

What are your thoughts about it all. I personally think Helen Clarke is to blame for most of it but that's just me.

How old are you. Check back a couple of decades or so, see how todays NZ came about.
I'm no apologist for Labour, but National were in power for most of that period.
You get the Government you deserve!

[crazylittleshit]

MC Hammer isnt a rapper, hes an instigator.

Dont blame music, blame the corperations that payed for it you dolts :rofl:

But seriously, dont get me started on this PC and Maori activists shit, after studying that in 7th form I learned alot about both sides of the story.
you went to School? :rofl:

[MSTRS]

How old are you. Check back a couple of decades or so, see how todays NZ came about.
I'm no apologist for Labour, but National were in power for most of that period.
You get the Government you deserve!
He's 14 & doesn't like a lot of what he sees & hears. He does not hold with the namby-pamby PC crap, and he hates injustice (what he sees there is, of course, the pendulum at this end of it's swing). Not a political kid, but you can't blame him for seeing HC the way he does, what with all the pandering to certain causes & the social engineering 'experiments'. Also at the cusp of NCEA & is that a can of worms or what?

[Quasievil]

He's 14 & doesn't like a lot of what he sees & hears. He does not hold with the namby-pamby PC crap, and he hates injustice (what he sees there is, of course, the pendulum at this end of it's swing). Not a political kid, but you can't blame him for seeing HC the way he does, what with all the pandering to certain causes & the social engineering 'experiments'. Also at the cusp of NCEA & is that a can of worms or what?

Nice MSTRS, also good on the thread starter for having an opinion and telling us about it, I wish a few more younglins would shout rant and rave etc about their country which we are fucking up for them

[MSTRS]

Nice MSTRS, also good on the thread starter for having an opinion and telling us about it, I wish a few more younglins would shout rant and rave etc about their country which we are fucking up for them
More wise words. As you and Wayne say, we are merely 'renting' the place from one generation to the next & it worries me as to what we are leaving our kids to deal with. Perhaps we are seeing this generation becoming really aware of 'the issues' in a meaningful way as opposed to, say, the Hippy generation or the anti-fur lobby etc?

[Jamezo]

Nice MSTRS, also good on the thread starter for having an opinion and telling us about it, I wish a few more younglins would shout rant and rave etc about their country which we are fucking up for them

I'm doing that right now.... :yes:

hell, when I was 14 (3 short years ago!) I felt very similarly, believe it or not.

[Lou Girardin]

He's 14 & doesn't like a lot of what he sees & hears. He does not hold with the namby-pamby PC crap, and he hates injustice (what he sees there is, of course, the pendulum at this end of it's swing). Not a political kid, but you can't blame him for seeing HC the way he does, what with all the pandering to certain causes & the social engineering 'experiments'. Also at the cusp of NCEA & is that a can of worms or what?

It's good that he's concerned enough to post the thread. But the danger lies in believing that it's the fault of one party. Somehow we have been blessed with the most 'do nothing' pollies on earth. Unless it's a senior Ministers pet project of course.
Like saving gay, disabled whales fr'instance.

[MikeL]

Also at the cusp of NCEA & is that a can of worms or what?

Now just remind me, who was the Minister of Education and which government was in power when the NCEA monstrosity was spawned?

[MSTRS]

Now just remind me, who was the Minister of Education and which government was in power when the NCEA monstrosity was spawned?
Hey! Did I say National were the shizz? System is still effectively 2 parties, plus others to muddy the waters, and they've all got their own agendas & ideas of what is right for the rest of us. Someone said that 'we get the government that we deserve' - well, excuse me, but what's the alternative to the big 2? Winston? Hyde? Anderton? Don't make me laugh!!
I'm proud of my lad for having the balls to say what he thinks, and for the lofty age of 14, he has a lot of sensible things to say.

[madboy]

I'm not particularly impressed with any of the parties on the stump at the moment. Fact is, none of them will give me what I really want, so I vote for the one that gives me the least of what I don't want. A very sad way to make a decision, but out of the options available??

I reckon I'm a part of the most discriminated against "group" in NZ society today - I'm white, my partner and I earn way way WAY into the "rich" category for household income, we own our own home, my child goes to a private school, I am male. There is no Ministry of European Descent Affairs. There is no Ministry of Men's Affairs. There is no Ministry for the Socially Developed. There is little or no funding from the Ministry of Education for my daughters schooling. There is little or no funding to my GP when I visit them due to said ethnicity and income level.

What the hell does this society offer me? I work hard so I can support my family AND ride fast, and I get taxed more of my income, get taxed more in road users charges (of whatever description - petrol, rego) and then I get taxed again by the cops for speeding. And because I'm so filthy rich, I don't get the opportunity to rack up huge fines only to have them waived later on because I've accumulated too many.

[MSTRS]

Now just remind me, who was the Minister of Education and which government was in power when the NCEA monstrosity was spawned?
Anyway - what Minister of Education came up wth this piece of garbage?? None of them - behind-the-scenes public 'serpents' dictating their agenda to the governement of the day, that's who. And aint none of us voted them in.

[Madmax]

Don't forget the hyperinflation, the horrendous unemployment, the total impoverishment of the population, collapse of the economy, the rampant social injustice, racial discrimination, corrupt officialdom, dishonest law courts...

Country sure is in a bad way.

Perhaps we can delve back into history and take some lessons from Signor Mussolini and Herr Hitler as to how to set things aright...
I thought Bishop Brian and his bunch of merry wankers were going
sort it out

[MSTRS]

I'm not particularly impressed with any of the parties on the stump at the moment. Fact is, none of them will give me what I really want, so I vote for the one that gives me the least of what I don't want. A very sad way to make a decision, but out of the options available??

I reckon I'm a part of the most discriminated against "group" in NZ society today - I'm white, my partner and I earn way way WAY into the "rich" category for household income, we own our own home, my child goes to a private school, I am male. There is no Ministry of European Descent Affairs. There is no Ministry of Men's Affairs. There is no Ministry for the Socially Developed. There is little or no funding from the Ministry of Education for my daughters schooling. There is little or no funding to my GP when I visit them due to said ethnicity and income level.

What the hell does this society offer me? I work hard so I can support my family AND ride fast, and I get taxed more of my income, get taxed more in road users charges (of whatever description - petrol, rego) and then I get taxed again by the cops for speeding. And because I'm so filthy rich, I don't get the opportunity to rack up huge fines only to have them waived later on because I've accumulated too many.

Aint that the truth?? Now add self-employed and see what happens.

[hXc]

How old are you. Check back a couple of decades or so, see how todays NZ came about.
I'm no apologist for Labour, but National were in power for most of that period.
You get the Government you deserve!

I'm 14....

[Marmoot]

Try a "middle class with income juuuust over the assistance help threshold, and being an Asian young so-called boyracer with petrol-gurgling low sports car, sportsbike and a wife with overseas tuition fee to pay, both right in the highest insurance premium bracket".

At least you get to be rich...... :Punk:

I stopped caring ever since I learnt I can only save less than 5% of my income.

[Lou Girardin]

And lets not even get into the deterioration in living standards of the so-called middle classes. Rogernomics produced income redistribution that Marx, Lenin et al could only dream of. Except that it was upwards.

[Winston001]

New Zealand. About the same size as Japan and England. Our population - 4 million. England 50 million, Japan 127 million.

Clean water, clean air, open deserted roads. Excellent quality food. Almost no corruption. Stunning landscapes with European alps, quasi-deserts, volcanoes, and lakes. Millions of hectares of public land. Kilometers of wild coastline.

Protected from war, disease, and the rest of the world by large oceans.

And pretty decent people as well. I can't think of another country like it. Maybe Iceland............

I'm happy here with the dogs. :love:

[Jackrat]

This country is going to the dogs!

PC bullshit overload
Criminals getting off easy
People not standing up for their rights
Maori "rights" overload
Etc etc

What are your thoughts about it all. I personally think Helen Clarke is to blame for most of it but that's just me.

A lot of what you mention is a world wide trend.
At lest in the western world.
The decline in personal morals,you can lay on the doorstep of female contraception.It's given women the freedom to become the same self centred arseholes men have always been.
Once women start acting like men,we're all in deep shit.
:wait:

[Marmoot]

I'm happy here with the dogs. :love:

Yea, but.............WHO LET THE DOGS OUT?! *woof* *woof* *woof*

(dammit, where's that MP3 when I need it.... :love: )

[T.I.E]

That's cool. I was waiting for a Maori to reply to see what he had to say to it and I believe you are a good guy from what you just said. Just a shame about those others and the way they treat us white guys.
Example - I was in town the other day with a few mates (I'm 14) and we were sitting at Macca's and some fat, lard ass Maori woman sat at the next table and my mate was saying some funny shit from movies etc and she was like "What you c***s laughing at aye?" and "Oi! You! What you laughing at? I'll crack you!" and to finish it all off..."Damn honkies over there. Fucking dickheads. Yeah don't laugh at me next time I'll smash your face in."

I just don't think that is acceptable to say that kind of thing to an innocent 14 year old with a couple of his mates. We felt unsafe and thought it was damn right rude and racist.
And those would be the first ones to say that the white people are racist and rude! Fucking fat ass bitch needs to be told something about her behaviour towards strangers in public. If I wasn't in school uniform I would of told the bitch to fuck off and find someone her own size(if that was possible!!!)

why the maori thing why not blame it on size or she is a female?
it sounded like a size issue that is where her insecurities came from.

she misheard. and she sounds like a bitter twisted person. sucks when you have to deal with someone elses problems. head up smile and don't get fat, or atleast be happy with yourself.

[hXc]

New Zealand. About the same size as Japan and England. Our population - 4 million. England 50 million, Japan 127 million.

Clean water, clean air, open deserted roads. Excellent quality food. Almost no corruption. Stunning landscapes with European alps, quasi-deserts, volcanoes, and lakes. Millions of hectares of public land. Kilometers of wild coastline.

Protected from war, disease, and the rest of the world by large oceans.

And pretty decent people as well. I can't think of another country like it. Maybe Iceland............

I'm happy here with the dogs. :love:

That's all lovely but what about the shit government and stupid laws??? Think!!!

[hXc]

why the maori thing why not blame it on size or she is a female?
it sounded like a size issue that is where her insecurities came from.

she misheard. and she sounds like a bitter twisted person. sucks when you have to deal with someone elses problems. head up smile and don't get fat, or atleast be happy with yourself.

I know a lot of white fat people and quite a few maori fat people too. Most of the white people are really nice people and aren't ashamed about their body. Where as most of the maori's aren't very nice and anyone acting wrong around them will probably get a mouthful. I'm not saying that they are all like that but the majority of them I know are not that nice.

[Zed]

This country is going to the dogs!

PC bullshit overload
Criminals getting off easy
People not standing up for their rights
Maori "rights" overload
Etc etc

What are your thoughts about it all. I personally think Helen Clarke is to blame for most of it but that's just me.Not to mention the huge increase in pornography and associated sins!!

Yeah I hate how/where the country's going as well as you...but I'm not worrying too much cos I've got a plan B. :yes:

[hXc]

Not to mention the huge increase in pornography and associated sins!!

Yeah I hate how/where the country's going as well as you...but I'm not worrying too much cos I've got a plan B. :yes:

And that is...???

[Zed]

And that is...???
Gonna leave the planet boy!
:wavey:

[hXc]

I have a dream to fullfil(sp?) and a life to live.
Have fun

[Ixion]

Gonna leave the planet boy!
:wavey:

Oddly, quite a few people have told me I'm already off the planet. don't understand why.

[Zed]

I have a dream to fullfil(sp?) and a life to live.
Have funYou can come too if you want!! :not:

[Zed]

Oddly, quite a few people have told me I'm already off the planet. don't understand why.Nah Ixion, they just meant that your head was in the clouds! :confused: :lol:

[Ixion]

Nah Ixion, they just meant that your head was in the clouds! :confused: :lol:

Yeah, they've said that too.

[Jackrat]

I know a lot of white fat people and quite a few maori fat people too. Most of the white people are really nice people and aren't ashamed about their body. Where as most of the maori's aren't very nice and anyone acting wrong around them will probably get a mouthful. I'm not saying that they are all like that but the majority of them I know are not that nice.

Dang mate you should get out more or change your life style.
I know an meet hundreds of people on a regular basis.
Their just about ALL nice.
Last night I was at Kaikohe an got my truck stuck out behind Te Iringa,the three guys that stopped to give me a hand an then went out of their way to go find a tractor to get me out were Maori guys.
Last week I got a flat tyre half way through the Russel state forest.
The two guys that stopped an helped me crack the wheel nuts, then drove to the local Marae to get some planks of wood to stop my jack sinking into the dirt road were both Maori guys.
Both these things happened right on dark an if these blokes hadn't stopped I'll of spent the night there.
Couple of months back I was out at Te Kaha delivering a tank when I realised
I wouldn't get back to Opotiki before I ran out of legal driving time,I was planning on camping at a local beach, but when I asked a local Maori guy where a good spot would be,he insisted I stay at his place for the night.
These are just a few of the things I can recall right now,but there typical of how I get treated by the Maori folks I come across.
Sure I've been called a bloody Honky by some arsehole,but that was just him an he'll pay for it in the long run with the life he lives.
What goes round.

[MikeL]

Gonna leave the planet boy!
:wavey:

Do you realize how scary that is?

If this planet is just a temporary home, what incentive is there to look after it?

Oops, sorry, just realized that we've been there, done that...

[speights_bud]

...it worries me as to what we are leaving our kids to deal with. Perhaps we are seeing this generation becoming really aware of 'the issues' in a meaningful way as opposed to, say, the Hippy generation or the anti-fur lobby etc?

I agree, look ahead to the generation past ours. i mean wtf are those ppl gng to have to deal with??? Im 16 and if it takes a person of my age (or someone who is 14 like HC) to figure out its all going down the drain then whats wrong with the adult people 'running' this country?. its up to the people to stand up for whats right. What happened to good morals??? over the last 50 or so years i reckon morals have begun to take a backseat in society.

[DingDong]

That's cool. I was waiting for a Maori to reply to see what he had to say to it and I believe you are a good guy from what you just said. Just a shame about those others and the way they treat us white guys.
Example - I was in town the other day with a few mates (I'm 14) and we were sitting at Macca's and some fat, lard ass Maori woman sat at the next table and my mate was saying some funny shit from movies etc and she was like "What you c***s laughing at aye?" and "Oi! You! What you laughing at? I'll crack you!" and to finish it all off..."Damn honkies over there. Fucking dickheads. Yeah don't laugh at me next time I'll smash your face in."

I just don't think that is acceptable to say that kind of thing to an innocent 14 year old with a couple of his mates. We felt unsafe and thought it was damn right rude and racist.
And those would be the first ones to say that the white people are racist and rude! Fucking fat ass bitch needs to be told something about her behaviour towards strangers in public. If I wasn't in school uniform I would of told the bitch to fuck off and find someone her own size(if that was possible!!!)
Some people are very rude, I see where your comming from... you should have sparked a conversation with your mates about the movie "Whale Rider"

[DingDong]

"The first man who, having enclosed a piece of land, thought to himself of saying This is mine, and found people simple enough to believe him, was the real founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars, and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows: Beware of listening to this imposter; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself belongs to nobody." - Jean-Jacques Rousseau



Sweet as :clap:

[DingDong]

I know a lot of white fat people and quite a few maori fat people too. Most of the white people are really nice people and aren't ashamed about their body. Where as most of the maori's aren't very nice and anyone acting wrong around them will probably get a mouthful. I'm not saying that they are all like that but the majority of them I know are not that nice.
Just when I thought there was hope you dude... that sounded bad.
Dont worry, Its your social back ground that has lead to your presumptions of other races and at 14 your not to blame... school yard bullies (i was one myself and most, but not all were Maori) have made the decision for you... our world is not going down the shitta, this is just the way things are

[speights_bud]

I must say that living in an area where there is a local Marae the people are generally very outgoing and helpful.
I think that like all people you cannot judge the enire population by the few that you meet and don't happen to be very nice. But i do agree that in the teenage social world is has become more noticeable that 'hoodies' are becoming more and more arrogant. For instance, im in the 6th form at an all boys school. i'm walking along with a few of my mates and this little 4th form punk walks straight into us, telling us to get the f*ck outta his way. What happened to common courtesy and respect for other people? these little shitbags need to be brought back in line, as we have now been instructed to do so by senior management. About bloody time because people are getting fed up with their attitudes.:nono:

[MikeL]

I know a lot of white fat people and quite a few maori fat people too. Most of the white people are really nice people and aren't ashamed about their body. Where as most of the maori's aren't very nice and anyone acting wrong around them will probably get a mouthful. I'm not saying that they are all like that but the majority of them I know are not that nice.

:no:

I think your original troll was much better...

[Pixie]

It's good that he's concerned enough to post the thread. But the danger lies in believing that it's the fault of one party. Somehow we have been blessed with the most 'do nothing' pollies on earth. Unless it's a senior Ministers pet project of course.
Like saving gay, disabled whales fr'instance.
We only get the MPs we (the ones that can be bothered) vote for.And as the majority of voters in NZ are a bunch of hippy wanabe's we get this shit.

As for proportion government,since when was relegating 49% of the voters wishes to the opposition proportional?
I'd like to see Labour and National et al,forced to form a true proportional government.That would get rid of this doctrinaire crap.
Oh,and give them knives.

PS. I must say,I liked what Winston had to say about having to watch monkey dances,and you can add bloody bagpipes to that as well.

[Brian d marge]

Around 82 , when I left on one of me travels ...NZ was I great little country ..... I come back about 12 years later and say What the F%&'' happened here ,,this wasnt the country I left ,,,,( I remember the gold crises )

Since then I have dug around a bit and found out why (http://www.otemon.ac.jp/cas/pdf/30/shaun.pdf) ...seems that a US business man bought most fo NZ money ,,then as the price went up he dumped it ...causing a run ,,devaluation etc This allowed a certain few to push their agenda through ,,( not labour not national ,,,but the real people who hold power ,,the new right , dean, kerr , gibbs ,and who ever it is now .....It really doent matter who you vote for ... as the change will only come from dealing with the problem ..ie removing roger and his nomics from any influence on government ( the reason why some bizarre decitions were made they had the financial clout to silence the pressure groups )

One of the reasons why I have a lot of time for maori ...I disagree with a lot of things they do BUT as a group they got off their arse and have from bastion point till now got into a remarkable position ,,,,( if you didnt like it you had plenty of oppertunity to vote or lobby !!)

The student loan system ... I paid for me ,,to travel up and down ..ranting and raving to try and stop the rot ,,,,the attitude I recieved is ..Still mussnt grummble eh I am all right .......

Well 49 percent of tretiary leavers are saddle with stupendace debts and have left ,,,, Parents who have lost their kids to another country ,,,because they did nothing about it ,,as the student loan didnt concern them ..at the Time ....

This as the cia world factbook says has left a LARGE underclass of HaveNoTs ,,,,,,
ie you reap what you sow ....( thoughI would like to see Maori address the health and education system of their own BEFORE they tackle customary fishing ......My 2 cents there )
Have a read of that thesis ,,,its not bad ,,he does foget that Ireland was entering the EEC and recieved a lot of help ( and money I think) ,,,

Stephen

[Big Dave]

Well I reckon NZ is a really cool place. Great natural beauty and wonderful people in general.
I live here cause I want to and have made a great life.

I'd probably start sounding like Zed if I said you should count your fucking blessings. Stop bitching and DO something about it if you think the place needs improving.

There's scores of community groups that need help for starters.

[Mooch]

I'd still rather be in NZ and actually don't think it too bad. Theirs a lot of worse places in the world and I reckon we do pretty well in NZ. Most NZ'ers are nice people and do give a f^ck about whats going on. In london for example everybody walks around like everybodys invisable. I can commute across the city , seeing 1000's of people and not have a single person say hello or even an "excuss me" , not even a smile. I watch people on public transport ignore seats for the elderly , or mothers / pregant mothers .
There's some nasty crime happening.
Couple of examples . A group of 12 yo school boys pack rape a 11 y/o girl and video it on mobile phone , then send it to all there mates at the local school to have a laugh at. A boy of 7 is hanged in a park by a bunch young teens (Lucky found before dying).
A young mother walking in the park with todler is bashed and left paralised but luckly is making a slow recovery. Teanage girl gets murdered in a local parking during daylight.
This shit is on the news every day.
I've travelled most of NZ over the years and have found that on a whole , NZ'er are warm and friendly people. I think the country does very well considering the size and only 4 million people. My ten cents worth. (New Zealander and proud of it)

PS , Stop the whinging , starting to sound like a bunch of poms :whistle:

[Lou Girardin]

New Zealand. About the same size as Japan and England. Our population - 4 million. England 50 million, Japan 127 million.

Clean water, clean air, open deserted roads. Excellent quality food. Almost no corruption. Stunning landscapes with European alps, quasi-deserts, volcanoes, and lakes. Millions of hectares of public land. Kilometers of wild coastline.

Protected from war, disease, and the rest of the world by large oceans.

And pretty decent people as well. I can't think of another country like it. Maybe Iceland............

I'm happy here with the dogs. :love:

You ARE sheltered down there.
Clean water? Many of our beaches have sewerage overflows into them
Clean air? Aucks pollution is world class, more than London.
Deserted roads? :rofl:
Corruption? Depends how you define it.
Public land? Until it's all sold off to foreigners. Try to find a place to shoot near Auck.
Disease? We are seeing respiratory diseases that were unknown here 20 years ago. Plus world leading incidence of athsma. Meningitis is at epidemic rates.
This is a good place to live, but lets be realistic.

[Biff]

Maori rights - Providing everyone is dealt with in an equal hand, irrespecitve of their ethnicity, I've no problem here.
Criminals - Scum. Apart from the 'safe' speeders.
PC people - Make me sick. Lazy, spineless and without the ability to discuss matters in a rational maner. Devoid of empathy.


New Zealand.....
I'm happy here with the dogs. :love:

Yipppeeee, someone with a positive mental attitude. Well done that man.

I was beginning to think this place was being taken over by poms with all the whinging going on!

I've lived in several countries over the years, and NZ is by far the best. You have a liberal govt that refuses to dictate to the public as the US, UK and other nations govts do. You have (despite the negativity in this thread) a great positive outlook on life, other people and the world around you. You're generaly law abiding, friendly and respectful. And to top it all off the scenery if some of the best, if not the best, to be found anywhere in the world. This is why so may bloody foreigners want to come and live here (me being one).

God bless NZ. It's a brilliant place.

:drinkup: And I like the beer.

[Coldkiwi]

I for one am glad there's an election coming up. I do have some doubts as to whether it'll make much of a difference but I think the best result would be to have an absolute hodge podge of parties (give them all 5 seats) so nothing gets through. At least it'd stop them mucking more things up! No, the present govt are not responsible for all this countrys ill's (or its fortune) but Mp's with special interest groups (usually after some form of financial benefit) pushing very hard in the background tend to root things up for the greater majority at regular intervals

[hXc]

Dang mate you should get out more or change your life style.
I know an meet hundreds of people on a regular basis.
Their just about ALL nice.
Last night I was at Kaikohe an got my truck stuck out behind Te Iringa,the three guys that stopped to give me a hand an then went out of their way to go find a tractor to get me out were Maori guys.
Last week I got a flat tyre half way through the Russel state forest.
The two guys that stopped an helped me crack the wheel nuts, then drove to the local Marae to get some planks of wood to stop my jack sinking into the dirt road were both Maori guys.
Both these things happened right on dark an if these blokes hadn't stopped I'll of spent the night there.
Couple of months back I was out at Te Kaha delivering a tank when I realised
I wouldn't get back to Opotiki before I ran out of legal driving time,I was planning on camping at a local beach, but when I asked a local Maori guy where a good spot would be,he insisted I stay at his place for the night.
These are just a few of the things I can recall right now,but there typical of how I get treated by the Maori folks I come across.
Sure I've been called a bloody Honky by some arsehole,but that was just him an he'll pay for it in the long run with the life he lives.
What goes round.

Can't help it. Most of the Maori's in Napier aren't as friendly as most. Not my fault I live here. And those are small towns where 90% of the population are Maori and the rest may as well be Maori (no offence meant) Just depends on where you live and what you do. I'm a student, not a truckdriver like you (I'm just guessing from the legal driving hours thing) so I get all the 'gangsters' at school who have no respect for anyone who isn't Maori. You may have seen on the TV earlier this year about a school in Napier who had gang troubles (also the 'broomstick' school), well that's where I go to.

[hXc]

Some people are very rude, I see where your comming from... you should have sparked a conversation with your mates about the movie "Whale Rider"

She would know everything about it. She was the whale. I feel sorry for Keisha(sp?) having to put up with that attitude during shooting.

[hXc]

I must say that living in an area where there is a local Marae the people are generally very outgoing and helpful.
I think that like all people you cannot judge the enire population by the few that you meet and don't happen to be very nice. But i do agree that in the teenage social world is has become more noticeable that 'hoodies' are becoming more and more arrogant. For instance, im in the 6th form at an all boys school. i'm walking along with a few of my mates and this little 4th form punk walks straight into us, telling us to get the f*ck outta his way. What happened to common courtesy and respect for other people? these little shitbags need to be brought back in line, as we have now been instructed to do so by senior management. About bloody time because people are getting fed up with their attitudes.:nono:

Was he Maori? If so I thought they were supposed to respect their elders. Being it older people around them, grandparents, parents etc etc

[Biff]

Can't help it. Most of the Maori's in Napier aren't as friendly as most. Not my fault I live here. And those are small towns where 90% of the population are Maori and the rest may as well be Maori (no offence meant) Just depends on where you live and what you do. I'm a student, not a truckdriver like you (I'm just guessing from the legal driving hours thing) so I get all the 'gangsters' at school who have no respect for anyone who isn't Maori. You may have seen on the TV earlier this year about a school in Napier who had gang troubles (also the 'broomstick' school), well that's where I go to.

While I have no idea what you go through on a day to day basis mate, all I can say, without meaning to be condescending, is be careful not to attribute your experiences with your school colleagues and neighbours simply to the fact that they are Maori. It's probably more a social-economic thing. Coming from the UK I've experienced school gangs, neighbourhood gangs and such like and it had fk all to do with their ethnicity. It was because different groups of people, mostly from certain parts of town and/or from different social (financial) backgrounds get together and decide to hate everyone else that is different. That's human nature I'm afraid.

But there is a natural instinct to 'stick with your own'. So in this case the Maori guys sound like they stick together because they are Maori, it doesn’t mean they act the way they do because they are Maori.

[hXc]

Well I reckon NZ is a really cool place. Great natural beauty and wonderful people in general.
I live here cause I want to and have made a great life.

I'd probably start sounding like Zed if I said you should count your fucking blessings. Stop bitching and DO something about it if you think the place needs improving.

There's scores of community groups that need help for starters.

I would if I could but...I'M 14. And nobody would listen to one single person or a whole lot of 14 year olds anyway. Whatever we TRY to do won't do much as this government sucks! It doesn't work like it used to anymore. From hearing about the 60's, 70's and 80's from my folks and their friends I start to think, where the fuck has my freedom gone. And why can't we do those things anymore. And I also hear they are raising the age when you can sit your learners cage and bike license from 15 to 18. That means my mother or father has to transport me everywhere I go with my fucking drum-kit until I'm old enough to drink, vote and do whatever else this government will let me do. All this shit about speed kills. It's not speeding that does it. It's the fuckers who drive down the highway at 80kms and don't pull over and hold up traffic. You try *555 and they tell you they are quite within their rights to drive at that speed. It's bullshit. I try to stand up for myself but it never works. Nobody listens etc etc.

Yes NZ has great natural beauty and a lot of wonderful people live here but when I started this thread I wasn't talking about natural beauty. I was talking about the government and stupid laws preventing my generation and all the generations after mine to do the stuff that the older generation did when they were my age. I would get arrested for doing stuff that my parents and uncles and aunties did when they were my age. STUPID GOVERNMENTS.

OSH, ACC and LTSA can be brought into this as they have had a lot to do with the crap that goes on in this country. My parents would go and play in construction sites when they were young. I would get in shit for doing that now. My dad used to go hunting and then camp on the side of the road in giant drain pipes. I would get in shit for doing that now.

I also can't get a job at a lot of places because you have to be 15 or some shit. RUBBISH! If you can prove you are a responsible 13, 14 year old then you should be able to work there. I can't get a taste of what it's like to be in the real world because of so many laws stopping me from having freedom, getting a job, allowing me to try things and so on.

The younger generation is going to be running this country soon and the older ones are leaving it in a right mess for us.

And not all Maori people are assholes but most of the assholes I come across are Maori.

I am finished.

[Winston001]

That's all lovely but what about the shit government and stupid laws??? Think!!!

Name a democratic country in the world where people don't slag off their government and laws. Do you really think it is better elsewhere? Criticising government, politicians, and laws as a general statement is easy but needs to be backed up with specifics.

Of course Parliment does some odd things - gay marriage for example, but the MPs are only human. They try to do the best they can with what they believe. Don't forget, while you and I are shaking our heads, there are other people going "Yeah, and lets have more social engineering".

NZ is a liberal open democracy. We enjoy freedoms that other societies dream of. Eg. in China this topic, indeed this forum would be closed down by the State. At the moment NZ Cricket are faced with a compulsory tour of Zimbabwe. An easy answer would be for our Government to ban the tour - but they won't. Why? Because that would constitute state control of freedom to travel. But in the USA, you cannot travel directly to Cuba. So who has the greater freedom???

[Ixion]

Has to be said that young folk nowadays have a whole load of shit laid on them, and are controlled and nannyed to a degree that would have been regarded as ludicrous when I was young.

Not allowed to play on construction sites ? What a load of cobblers. Construction sites were our motocross sites ! No-one cared, we never damaged anything. Local cop used to stop by every so often if we racing round one, have a look at what we were doing , tell us not to mess about with anything , and drive off.

I'd hate to by a young guy nowdays,I reckon they're taken all the fun out of it.

[hXc]

Has to be said that young folk nowadays have a whole load of shit laid on them, and are controlled and nannyed to a degree that would have been regarded as ludicrous when I was young.

Not allowed to play on construction sites ? What a load of cobblers. Construction sites were our motocross sites ! No-one cared, we never damaged anything. Local cop used to stop by every so often if we racing round one, have a look at what we were doing , tell us not to mess about with anything , and drive off.

I'd hate to by a young guy nowdays,I reckon they're taken all the fun out of it.

That's exactly what I'm getting at!!!

[MSTRS]

The younger generation is going to be running this country soon and the older ones are leaving it in a right mess for us.

And not all Maori people are assholes but most of the assholes I come across are Maori.

I am finished.
Well said. I knew that was what you were trying to say all along - it's not easy finding the right words to get a point across esp. at your age. BTW it's ARSEholes. Just in case Hitcher drops by - he gets upset, you know.

[MikeL]

I'd hate to by a young guy nowdays,I reckon they're taken all the fun out of it.

Either a case of selective memory, or you're a lot younger than I'd assumed...

There were lots of good things about growing up back then, but as for freedom, choices and social status the young today are streets ahead.

Not only were we not expected to have our own opinions at the age of 14, but if (shock, horror) we were presumptuous enough to attempt to express them openly, and they were at all critical of the way things were, a quick clip over the ear or a sarcastic comment would soon put us in our place. Respect your elders and betters... And they meant it.

It at least had the advantage that we spent most of our time listening and watching and thinking, so that by the time we got round to expressing our views there was a certain substance to them...

[Ixion]

Either a case of selective memory, or you're a lot younger than I'd assumed...

There were lots of good things about growing up back then, but as for freedom, choices and social status the young today are streets ahead.

Not only were we not expected to have our own opinions at the age of 14, but if (shock, horror) we were presumptuous enough to attempt to express them openly, and they were at all critical of the way things were, a quick clip over the ear or a sarcastic comment would soon put us in our place. Respect your elders and betters... And they meant it.

It at least had the advantage that we spent most of our time listening and watching and thinking, so that by the time we got round to expressing our views there was a certain substance to them...


Ah, I was too busy having fun to worry about such serious matters at that age. Quite happy to leave it to my elders and betters. :yes:

[Big Dave]

I am finished.


And you did quite well. Made me see the world through your eyes and it's not the same as when I look at it.

How do you get on with your old man? Have you told him all that? If not - do so.

Best I can tell you is it all gets better with age.

[Indiana_Jones]

I loathe this PC nanny state we live in. On the radio and TV they play ads telling me I could slip in the shower of fall down the stairs in my home...THANKS FOR THE TIP.........DOSS CUNT

Today the government said that paying for the ICC bill is out of the question (which it is to some degree) and is a waste of tax payers money.......but it's NOT a waste of money paying $500 mil on some shit protical. They try to tell us it's a good thing! - Yeah Right

I like some of Winnie's idea's on Maori issues, it just gone too far.

I can't help but think of this country's PCness when I listen to "this is England" (by the Clash :Punk:)


Maybe I just listen to NEWSTALK ZB too much, I like Danny Watson and Leighton Smith :devil2:
Karrie Woodham is too leftie :puke:

-Indy

[MSTRS]

There were lots of good things about growing up back then, but as for freedom, choices and social status the young today are streets ahead.

Not only were we not expected to have our own opinions at the age of 14, but if (shock, horror) we were presumptuous enough to attempt to express them openly, and they were at all critical of the way things were, a quick clip over the ear or a sarcastic comment would soon put us in our place. Respect your elders and betters... And they meant it.

It at least had the advantage that we spent most of our time listening and watching and thinking, so that by the time we got round to expressing our views there was a certain substance to them...
We had the most important freedom of all - the expectation that we would be kids with all that entails. I'm glad I grew up in the 60/70's. Nothing wrong with having a healthy respect for our elders etc instilled - made for a healthier society all round.



How do you get on with your old man? Have you told him all that? If not - do so.


Ahhhh... :motu: .....that'd be me.

[Motu]

Just to cover one point - I think we are the only Pakeha family in our town,certainly looks that way if I look outside....I have never had a problem with ''Maori'',and hope I never do,nothing they've ever done to make me look down on them,but I hate toe rags of any race....

This stuff is not new,just more common - and I'm not happy with what's going on out there.Let's go back a few years........

I went to school at 5yrs old and met some other 5 yr olds who became my best friends for the rest of my school days,still sitting in the same class at 16.By then we had found cars and beer,we were a bit under the influence of an older brother of one of my class mates - by the time he was 21 he had spent 4 yrs 9 mths inside for various offences.So we would drive around in a 58 Ford V8 drinking beer - we would stop and someone would say ''fuckin sports car!'' then they would all get out and trash an MGB,kicking in the doors and lights,pile in the Goldflash and look for the next bit of fun - two guys walking along an inner city back street - ''what the fuck you lookin at cunt?'' next thing they are all out of the car beating the shit out of these guys.And then one of them would cruise suburban streets at night in a V8,with a team of young kids as young as 10 running up driveways and stealing stuff from cars.This was back in 1969/70....this was not modern NZ.

I discovered my friends were people I now didn't want to be around,I didn't want to go to jail just for sitting in their car - it was a tough desicion,but I had to abandon my childhood mates,guys who had stepped in an protected me from bullies,helped me in sports and taken the blame and punishment for deeds I had done,no questions asked....I had to find a new life and friends,motorcycles gave me that.

But I have kept in sporatic touch with some of my school mates and have heard how life has treated them.The one who's brother was the ''bad'' boy later went back to school and university,got an engineering degree,owned his own tuna boat and now lives in semi retirement on the Goldcoast dabbling in the share market,his younger brother also went back to school,university and is now a successful property developer.Another lives in a drug and boose haze with a life history of violence....and that's a shame because he was my closest friend in high school and was very inteligent,a total waste.

This stuff has been brewing a long time,it's just that there are more people around.

[hXc]

And you did quite well. Made me see the world through your eyes and it's not the same as when I look at it.

How do you get on with your old man? Have you told him all that? If not - do so.

Best I can tell you is it all gets better with age.

My old man is MSTRS if you hadn't gathered that already.

[Hitcher]

This country is going to the dogs!

PC bullshit overload
Criminals getting off easy
People not standing up for their rights
Maori "rights" overload
Etc etc

What are your thoughts about it all. I personally think Helen Clarke is to blame for most of it but that's just me.
We live in a democracy.
This is election year.
Exercise your right to vote.
Get over yourself.

[Ixion]

We live in a democracy.
This is election year.
Exercise your right to vote.
Get over yourself.


He is only 14 years old. No vote yet.

[Big Dave]

My old man is MSTRS if you hadn't gathered that already.

How was i to know - you look nothing alike

[hXc]

How was i to know - you look nothing alike

Yeah I get my good looks from Mum. The biking from Dad :rofl:

[MSTRS]

Mrs MSTRS says that it is obvious that her 'little' boy knows which side his bread is buttered. Damn - means he'll get the nicest steak tonight!!

[Lou Girardin]

Didn't we all think the oldies were fucking things up when we were teenagers?
Things are clear when you're young, it gets very murky as you age. (cataracts?)
But I do think we had healthier lives as kids in the 60's. The way pre-pubescents are sexualised today is quite disgusting, and all in the name of making a buck.
It'll be interesting seeing what it's like in 20 or 30 years. (he says hopefully).
Will it be total permissiveness or a return to Victorian repression?
The Yanks are trying for the latter.

[Ixion]

NEWS FLASH


Dogs send country back again

Spokesbeagle Mr Kay Nynyne refuses to get involved : "Sort your own mess out"

[hXc]

NEWS FLASH


Dogs send country back again

Spokesbeagle Mr Kay Nynyne refuses to get involved : "Sort your own mess out"

I'm not surprised. I wouldn't want this country either...

[Big Dave]

I'm not surprised. I wouldn't want this country either...

I've been to quite a few other countries. I promise you - you could do a LOT worse than this one.

[Zed]

I'm not surprised. I wouldn't want this country either...Well when you're old enough to travel unsupervised please emigrate! :yes:

[Brian d marge]

:drinkup: And I like the beer.

Tell me your joking ..Noo Waaay its Muck ...yeast extract with added sugar...chilled to below freezing to anethatise the taste buds ....

Trappest beers from Belgium .....Up to 8 percent REAL Hops ...doesnt need to be chilled ...in fact Room temp is best ,,,,
Stephen
Drinking is my hobby .....