Too busy for burglaries

[SMOKEU]

"The volume of crime in Canterbury means police are unable to attend hundreds of burglaries immediately after they occur.

In the 2009/2010 fiscal year, there were 7138 recorded cases of burglaries in Canterbury, which equates to 595 a month.

Canterbury district intelligence manager Inspector Doug Parker estimated about 220 to 280 burglaries a month were referred to the police Information Reporting Centre (IRC) where the complaint was dealt with over the phone.

A forensics officer would later attend the scene of the crime, he said.

Only a certain amount were immediately attended by police patrol cars, Parker said."


http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/4669098/Police-too-busy-for-burglaries

[oneofsix]

A forensics officer would later attend the scene of the crime, he said.


I thought this was one of the major bitches by the victims affected, they have to put their life/recovery on hold waiting for the forensics officer to turn up to what is now a contaminated scene. If the petrol car is too busy at the radar trap at least sent the forensics officer around straight away in a taxi.

[SpankMe]

Instead of just trying to clean up the mess after the fact, why don't they try and catch these cunts in the act. Other countries setup bait houses and random vehicle stopping points in problem areas to catch these fuckers. Do the NZ police do anything proactive about burgs?

[mashman]

are burglaries part of monthly quotas? or do they just have a small likelyhood of catching the criminal and therefore aren't worth bothering with? or are they being led astray by the mobile donut van?

[onearmedbandit]

Bait houses you say? I like that idea. With a dodgy gas leak as well.

But yes bait houses and cars are a great idea. Even if you only set up a few, cunts like these would never be quite so confident again.

[mashman]

can't find it, but there was a TV programme in the UK that baited cars, trucks, houses etc... the main ones I remember where the ones where a car was filled with foam when they tried to steal it, and where they caged a truck and drove those stealing from the truck around the town after dropping the sides... heh, most likely these criminals are millionaires after suing the TV company


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIDIhLhteDs

[Usarka]

NZ Police strategy seems to be: focus on speeding and sooner or later you'll stop a car full of stolen gear.

[Spearfish]

Instead of just trying to clean up the mess after the fact, why don't they try and catch these cunts in the act. Other countries setup bait houses and random vehicle stopping points in problem areas to catch these fuckers. Do the NZ police do anything proactive about burgs?

I vaguely remember a NZ TV program that used a bait car, it was full of surveillance and tracking gear, I think the doors locked remotly as as well.
They caught and arrested many per show.

I think is was pulled because of entrapment or other legal issues?

[oneofsix]

NZ Police strategy seems to be: focus on speeding and sooner or later you'll stop a car full of stolen gear.

that was one of the arguments for combining traffic with police wasn't it? Not the focus on speeding bit, they kept that bit under wraps until afterwards.

[scumdog]

Instead of just trying to clean up the mess after the fact, why don't they try and catch these cunts in the act. Other countries setup bait houses and random vehicle stopping points in problem areas to catch these fuckers. Do the NZ police do anything proactive about burgs?


Bait cars etc?

nah, never...:shifty::whistle:

[Usarka]

Scummy, didn't you bait your own place.....with a worm? :rofl:

[imdying]

The NZ Police have burglarly units, and they work hard to catch the worst of the repeat offenders. They can definitely do more, so long as you're willing to pay for it. Lower taxes or lower burglarly rates, we can't have it all. Keep your money and spend some of it on your personal security is probably the best plan currently.

[mashman]

Keep your money and spend some of it on your personal security is probably the best plan currently.

Like one of these? (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/134749-American-jail-gets-Lasers!) If they can have them for keeping criminals in, I want one, or two, for keeping criminals out :)

[SMOKEU]

The NZ Police have burglarly units, and they work hard to catch the worst of the repeat offenders. They can definitely do more, so long as you're willing to pay for it. Lower taxes or lower burglarly rates, we can't have it all. Keep your money and spend some of it on your personal security is probably the best plan currently.

The best personal security is a vicious dog and a shotgun. It's legal in many parts of the USA and it certainly works.


Here's an update to the original post. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/4669098/Police-too-busy-for-burglaries

[scumdog]

The NZ Police have burglarly units, and they work hard to catch the worst of the repeat offenders. They can definitely do more, so long as you're willing to pay for it. Lower taxes or lower burglarly rates, we can't have it all. Keep your money and spend some of it on your personal security is probably the best plan currently.

Very nicely put.:yes:

[oneofsix]

so if you tell them a pair of knickers were stolen they will sent a patrol car. Kinky

[imdying]

The best personal security is a vicious dog and a shotgun.Alternatively you could try:
- Join your local community watch group
- Ask your local community constable to visit and talk security
- Talk to your neighbours, get to know them
- Lock your cars when they're in the driveway
- Don't leave your garage door open
- Don't leave valuables visible through your windows if possible
- Lock your house when you're at home and not in the immediate vicinity of the external door
- Fit latches to your windows
- Fit deadbolts to your doors
- Consider fitting a burglar alarm system
- Get off your fat lazy arse and actually go and look when your hear an alarm going
- Arm yourself with the free info provided (http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/21831.html)

Most people in New Zealand are either "she'll be right", or just plain lazy. Don't be that person, don't let them prey on you. The police aren't even half of the puzzle here.

[oneofsix]

- Arm yourself with the free info provided (http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/21831.html)


doesn't look heavy enough to do any damage. Can't I just use an iron bar instead, preferable a hollow iron bar with a wooden stock? :whistle:

[mashman]

so if you tell them a pair of knickers were stolen they will sent a patrol car. Kinky

or make it illegal for women to dry their knickers outside...

[Usarka]

Maglite - a legitimate object for you to have by your bed and carry around the house.

I heard a noise the other night at 4am, you know how sometimes you hear something and wonder if it was in the house or not or if it was just a creak or groan and its usually nothing?..... well this was definitely no-mistaking in the house.

I jumped out of bed in me boxers, grabbed my 3xD-Cell Maglite and headed for the garage from where the noise seemed to originate. I had time to notice that the little bit of fear I felt was pushed aside by the adrenaline as i pulled the door open to blind the fucker with the bright light and smash him with said torch (remarkable good for that sort of thing they are).

Couldn't see anyone obvious, door was closed, windows in one piece. Fucking place smelt like a brewery though. Oh...... a bottle of home brew had exploded.....took a while to pull the bits of glass out of my foot....

[Smifffy]

I thought Joke Key and the Nat frats campaigned on reducing property crime?

One of the reasons I voted for em actually. One of the biggest reasons why I don't think i'll bother voting for em again.

[oneofsix]

Oh...... a bottle of home brew had exploded.....took a while to pull the bits of glass out of my foot....

Sorry for your loss. :drinknsin: You would have had to down another to get over it :woohoo:

[SMOKEU]

Alternatively you could try:
- Join your local community watch group
- Ask your local community constable to visit and talk security
- Talk to your neighbours, get to know them
- Lock your cars when they're in the driveway
- Don't leave your garage door open
- Don't leave valuables visible through your windows if possible
- Lock your house when you're at home and not in the immediate vicinity of the external door
- Fit latches to your windows
- Fit deadbolts to your doors
- Consider fitting a burglar alarm system
- Get off your fat lazy arse and actually go and look when your hear an alarm going
- Arm yourself with the free info provided (http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/21831.html)

Most people in New Zealand are either "she'll be right", or just plain lazy. Don't be that person, don't let them prey on you. The police aren't even half of the puzzle here.

That's all very well said - but what pisses me off is that the repeat offenders who turn burgling houses into a career only really spend 6 months in jail, then they are released onto the streets making up for lost time by repeating their crimes.

I'm not saying that first time offenders should be locked up for a very long time, but if people are caught doing the same things over and over again then it's about time the justice system sends them to jail for a very long time without parole.

I know this all costs money, but I'm happy spending another $10 a week in taxes if it means that repeat offenders will experience significantly longer periods of time imprisoned.


Oh...... a bottle of home brew had exploded.....took a while to pull the bits of glass out of my foot....

Did you add too much priming sugar or bottle your brew before it had finished fermenting properly?

[imdying]

Maglites and iron bars are a waste of time. I'll just sit near your house, note when you go to work, and roll your home when you're not there. Unless it's too dificult, then I'll do the neighbours instead.

[Usarka]

Sorry for your loss. :drinknsin: You would have had to down another to get over it :woohoo:
Thanks bro. Got the brother around to help drink as much as possible in case any more were going to go. Like handling hand grenades that could go off any second!



Did you add too much priming sugar or bottle your brew before it had finished fermenting properly?

Awesome a beer thread :D I suspect it was a bug due to improper cleaning/sanitising. I always clean the bottles straight after pour, but I suspect some of my friends were'nt quite so thorough. Still got 5 bottles left, so far no bang but they are in cardboard box inside black rubbish sack.

[mashman]

Awesome a beer thread :D I suspect it was a bug due to improper cleaning/sanitising. I always clean the bottles straight after pour, but I suspect some of my friends were'nt quite so thorough. Still got 5 bottles left, so far no bang but they are in cardboard box inside black rubbish sack.

above a sieve? divn't waste it like...

[Usarka]

Thats why the plastic bag is there so I can pour it out. I'd probably use a shirt to filter it as bits of glass would still get through my sieve...... Unfortunately the bottle that did explode was on the floor, and a floor suck was out of the question at 4am. Kind of.

[SMOKEU]

Dead bolts are a waste of money when the thief can easily bash the door down, or break a window. What you really need are burglar bars like these.

http://www.supremegates.co.za/img/burglar%20bars/bb6_burglar%20bars_burglar%20bar_security%20bars_w rought%20iron%20bars_steel%20security%20bars_windo w%20security%20bars_window%20burglar%20bars.jpg

They're a standard fitment on middle and upper class homes in South Africa.

[imdying]

Apparently we have two main types of burglars; school children and career criminals. Neither of those two groups have any interest in making any more noise than they can get away with, so deadbolts are still going to be effective. Note that many of the suggestions the police have regarding reducing the incidence of burglarly starts at a community level. Neither of those two groups have any interest in breaking your door down whilst Mabel next door is peering through her window at them.

[JimO]

what you need is a big fuckoff dog, i did a job a few years ago for a south african builder who had 2 of the biggest german shepards i have ever seen and they were kept in the house, he had trained them not to bark he said the first thing the burglars would know would be the dogs giving them a good chew. i got the feeling he wouldnt be calling the cops either, once the dogs had done their work the remains would dissapear down the offal pit

[imdying]

what you need is a big fuckoff dogMince meat, broken up beer bottle, roll into a patty, throw over the fence. There's your big fuckoff dog sorted. If I were a thief, I'd have qualms about disposing of pets.

[onearmedbandit]

Mince meat, broken up beer bottle, roll into a patty, throw over the fence. There's your big fuckoff dog sorted. If I were a thief, I'd have qualms about disposing of pets.

The breeder of our Rottweilers had trained his dogs not to accept food from anywhere other than his hand for exactly that reason.

[JimO]

Mince meat, broken up beer bottle, roll into a patty, throw over the fence. There's your big fuckoff dog sorted. If I were a thief, I'd have qualms about disposing of pets.

you also need to keep the big fuckoff dog in the house

[Mom]

Nothing new in this news. The availability of SOCO support for our local constabulary is a well known thing.

Being told to touch nothing is all very well and good, but for 4 days?

Now that is silly, but sadly how it is.

When we got burgled, it was easy to identify where they got in, but there was no way we could not live in our home. So, things got touched. The entry point was able to be isolated, and prints obtained. It was admitted to me later that they only send SOCO to a burglary to gather finger/palm/what-have-you prints to load in the database to compare to future ones gathered. The comment that "not all theives wear gloves" was apparently supposed to comfort me.

No actual investigation is done, bar running any evidence gathered through their computers, searching for a match. That, and maybe a bit of a chat to the "local yoof" for small time stuff. Of course it is noted and distributed if any items are easily recognised, otherwise, tough luck you that lost your bits and bobs.

Almost not worth bothering to report really, but you need a Police file number to claim insurance. Paperwork sucks!

[SMOKEU]

I've heard on my scanner many times before that an old person calls 111 to say that someone in a Skyline/Cefiro/Laurel just did a skid outside their house, so at least 1 police car is sent to that area urgently to try and find the offending vehicle, yet burglaries aren't treated anywhere near as seriously.

Where is the justice in that?

[98tls]

Spend a few hours in the 111 call center and you will understand why theres not a cop available to attend every (or fuck all) burglary calls,there to busy dealing with the thousands (yep 1000s) of domestic bullshit calls that they have no choice but to go to,interestingly enough around Waitangi day theres a rise early evening when a "once was warrior" gets all fucked up and deals to his kid over the colour of its skin,forgetting he married a Pakeha:shit:,i shit you not.If you could take all the do-gooders and tree huggers in this country and make them spend a shift at the 111 center they may well walk out with different ideas on the state of the nation.

[pete376403]

Dead bolts are a waste of money when the thief can easily bash the door down, or break a window. What you really need are burglar bars like these.

http://www.supremegates.co.za/img/burglar%20bars/bb6_burglar%20bars_burglar%20bar_security%20bars_w rought%20iron%20bars_steel%20security%20bars_windo w%20security%20bars_window%20burglar%20bars.jpg

They're a standard fitment on middle and upper class homes in South Africa.

Barred windows, deadlocks, alarms and guard dogs - I kinda object to turning my house into a fortress / jail.

[Usarka]

Barred windows, deadlocks, alarms and guard dogs - I kinda object to turning my house into a fortress / jail.

Me too, that's the screws job :angry:

[RDJ]

Very nicely put.:yes:

The problem with that approach is we do not get to keep our money and we still have to spend some of what's left on private security and alarms etc... then when there is a burglary we are advised that it is a low priority crime and file a claim with the insurance - in effect your advice is:
work
pay bills after Govt has taken tax to pay law enforcement
pay private security
pay alarm installation
pay alarm monitoring
go back to work harder to earn to pay for the above
leave work as house has been burgled (smash, grab, scarper say neighbours)
wait at home losing pay until forensic unit should show up (they do not)
go back to work (forensic unit never show, no followup, calls not returned)
file claim with insurance
waste hours
lose no claims bonus
pay more insurance next year
keep working to pay bills after Govt has taken tax before receive money
repeat
:facepalm:

Burglary IMO should be an offence that recognises that we who were stolen from worked X+ hours out of our life to pay for what was stolen therefore burglar should be incarcerated for at X+cubed hours... that is probably too oldfashioned for the ex-law lecturers in Govt.

[RDJ]

Alternatively you could try:
- Join your local community watch group
- Ask your local community constable to visit and talk security
- Talk to your neighbours, get to know them
- Lock your cars when they're in the driveway
- Don't leave your garage door open
- Don't leave valuables visible through your windows if possible
- Lock your house when you're at home and not in the immediate vicinity of the external door
- Fit latches to your windows
- Fit deadbolts to your doors
- Consider fitting a burglar alarm system
- Get off your fat lazy arse and actually go and look when your hear an alarm going
- Arm yourself with the free info provided (http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/21831.html)

Most people in New Zealand are either "she'll be right", or just plain lazy. Don't be that person, don't let them prey on you. The police aren't even half of the puzzle here.

Not attacking you personally but - my wife and I work during the day, so do our neighbours. How exactly does Neighbourhood Watch function while we are out working & paying the bills for us as well as the people who do not work as well as the people who are paid to stop the people who do not work robbing the people who work?
:facepalm:

As for locking cars: they smash windows. As for locking doors: they smash ranchslider. As for turning chez nous into Colditz: no.

As for the routine "do not leave valuables in sight" - we should all hide everything out of fear? Just once I would like Forces of Justice and Law to run a campaign basd on - may I raise my voice a little - making THE PEOPLE WHO STEAL AND ASSAULT HAVING MORE TO FEAR AND THUSLY MODIFYING THEIR BEHAVIOUR, RATHER THAN THE PEOPLE WHO WORK AND PAY HAVING TO MODIFY OUR BEHAVIOUR. Not an unreasonable expectation methinks.

But I'm not expecting anything different. I'll be back at work tomorrow...
:scooter:

[gammaguy]

Barred windows, deadlocks, alarms and guard dogs - I kinda object to turning my house into a fortress / jail.

LOL

face it,its gonna happen sometime........

[Gremlin]

In a global scale, NZ is still a reasonably peaceful place. Now, its not exactly pleasing to try to rank NZ between the rest of the countries in the world, excusing violence, but it could be far worse.

How about nothing but murders investigated (with a low solve rate) due to lack of resources, a cop murder is almost daily, definitely not front page, more like 4-6 sidebar, and you barely know your neighbours...

South Africa was like that... I remember arriving, stunned that people didn't have fences between their houses, and couldn't comprehend it... 6 foot concrete walls, intercom systems and always being mindful of your situation was very normal to me...

[Kickaha]

South Africa was like that... I remember arriving, stunned that people didn't have fences between their houses, and couldn't comprehend it... 6 foot concrete walls, intercom systems and always being mindful of your situation was very normal to me...

One of our South African employees couldn't believe people left cars parked in the street

[SMOKEU]

Barred windows, deadlocks, alarms and guard dogs - I kinda object to turning my house into a fortress / jail.

You get used to it very quickly.

[Usarka]

What annoys me is those signs in carparks saying "thieves operate in this carpark".

So you know where they are and all you do is put up a sign????!!!??!!

[imdying]

The breeder of our Rottweilers had trained his dogs not to accept food from anywhere other than his hand for exactly that reason.A magical dog, nice.


my wife and I work during the day, so do our neighbours. How exactly does Neighbourhood Watch function while we are out working & paying the bills for us as well as the people who do not work as well as the people who are paid to stop the people who do not work robbing the people who work?Do you hear that?

[scumdog]

What annoys me is those signs in carparks saying "thieves operate in this carpark".

So you know where they are and all you do is put up a sign????!!!??!!

So what SHOULD they do??:blink:

[onearmedbandit]

A magical dog, nice.



Bro, newsflash. Just because you can't understand something doesn't mean it's impossible.

[imdying]

Bro, newsflash. Just because you can't understand something doesn't mean it's impossible.Just because you missed the point doesn't mean I'm not going to take the piss.

You can shoot, stab, poison, or otherwise incacerate a dog without much trouble. Basically, dogs are in general lovely animals. To see them potentially put into harms ways by their owners so that they can protect their mere property is equals parts vile, repulsive, and disgusting. A bit like training young men to be soldiers really.

[onearmedbandit]

Just because you missed the point doesn't mean I'm not going to take the piss.

You can shoot, stab, poison, or otherwise incacerate a dog without much trouble. Basically, dogs are in general lovely animals. To see them potentially put into harms ways by their owners so that they can protect their mere property is equals parts vile, repulsive, and disgusting. A bit like training young men to be soldiers really.

I'm going to remind myself of what you said the other day to me. If it's a post of your outside of the tech section it's solely there to provoke a reaction, which I was silly enough to fall into.

[imdying]

I'm going to remind myself of what you said the other day to me. If it's a post of your outside of the tech section it's solely there to provoke a reaction, which I was silly enough to fall into.Hook line and sinker bro :innocent:

A big noisy dog behind the gate is probably a great deterrent, but a silent attack dog... if I were attacked by something like that, I'd make sure I went back and fucked it up good. Pretty shit end for what should really have been a nice animal.

[oneofsix]

Hook line and sinker bro :innocent:

A big noisy dog behind the gate is probably a great deterrent, but a silent attack dog... if I were attacked by something like that, I'd make sure I went back and fucked it up good. Pretty shit end for what should really have been a nice animal.

Why go back, just complain to the local council and they will have it put down for you :facepalm: I know is sucks but even if someone is on your place, your dog isn't meant to attack them, now if they are in the house then your dog might survive.
At least that is the advice we were given about our dog.

[onearmedbandit]

Hook line and sinker bro :innocent:

A big noisy dog behind the gate is probably a great deterrent, but a silent attack dog... if I were attacked by something like that, I'd make sure I went back and fucked it up good. Pretty shit end for what should really have been a nice animal.

Yeah yeah I know. But I'll play along anyway. A proper guard dog lets you get onto the property, then bails you up. Like the time my sister and here boyfriend came around home one day. Kayne let them onto the property, waited until they were well inside, then bailed them up at the back of the property. There he sat for 45mins, growling every time they moved, until my brother arrived home.

I suppose you could come back after dealing with the police and shoot the dog then. Cool.

[Usarka]

So what SHOULD they do??:blink:

Catch them bro!

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/199816/199816,1220548376,1/stock-vector-comicbook-style-cops-and-robbers-16952056.jpg

[imdying]

I know is sucks but even if someone is on your place, your dog isn't meant to attack themWhy turn a kick arse animal into an attacking piece of shite in the first place when other options are available. I mean, we don't exactly live in a hell hole.


I suppose you could come back after dealing with the police and shoot the dog then. Cool.Oh noes, the big bad police! What will me and my 65 convictions for burglarly do?!? :gob:

[scumdog]

Catch them bro!

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/199816/199816,1220548376,1/stock-vector-comicbook-style-cops-and-robbers-16952056.jpg

Store owner don't look like that...:shutup:

Come to think of it, neither do thieves...

[onearmedbandit]

Oh noes, the big bad police! What will me and my 65 convictions for burglarly do?!? :gob:

True, with that in mind why employ any security system.

[imdying]

True, with that in mind why employ any security system.If they disable your alarm system and take your shit, your shit is gone... they stab the dog and take your shit, your shit is gone with a bit of your heart. Use deterrents by all means, just not the canine kind. A broken alarm system is one thing, but losing your best mate will only add insult to injury.

[RDJ]

So what SHOULD they do??:blink:

If there had been sufficient burglaries there that the bureaucracy has found it "appropriate" to put up a sign, is it beyond reasonable expectations to put a couple of people in a bait car or just to watch because presumably the next thief will be along relatively quickly?


Do that often enough, and you can change your lovely signage to read "xx thieves caught in this car park in the last x weeks" and then we might all be a little more trusting of law enforcement's priorities....?

[Dave Lobster]

One might assume that the police's energy might have been diverted to murderers, rather than burglaries.

Is Mellory Manning's murderer behind bars yet? Or still at large?

[RDJ]

I shouldn't bite, but I will

1. Kahui twins murdered but these "energies" of which you speak were initially devoted to being exquisitely culturally insensitive and not pushing interviews... no need to repeat in detail that sorry saga, I think we're all well aware of the sequence of events following the deaths of the little ones

2. Let people get way with small crimes, practically encourage them to commit more crimes by ensuring taxpayer-funded publicity makes the victims seem responsible " don't park your car out on the street" " don't leave valuables in sight" and so forth, and of course they will graduate to bigger crimes. And murder no longer means life imprisonment... thanks judges. /sarc

[SMOKEU]

It's rather sad that we live in a country where we don't have the right to defend our own property, or ourselves.

If someone were to catch someone burgling their house, then the home owner should be allowed to shoot the offender with a firearm. It's legal in many parts of the USA, and it seems to work.

[RDJ]

It's rather sad that we live in a country where we don't have the right to defend our own property, or ourselves.

If someone were to catch someone burgling their house, then the home owner should be allowed to shoot the offender with a firearm. It's legal in many parts of the USA, and it seems to work.

And the main reason that happens is because the criminals and the police both want a monopoly on violence.

As they also say in the US "when seconds count the police are only minutes away...". This is NOT bashing the police; but it IS criticising their superiors especially the Minister.

[imdying]

It's rather sad that we live in a country where we don't have the right to defend our own property, or ourselves.No, go back a step. It's rather sad that we live in a country where we should have to defend our own property, our ourselves, at all.

[SMOKEU]

No, go back a step. It's rather sad that we live in a country where we should have to defend our own property, our ourselves, at all.

We need to stand up en masse and tell the government that we will not tolerate crime. I'm not talking about minor traffic infringements, but I'm talking about violence and property crime, among other things such as fraud etc. Something needs to be done before things get completely out of hand. A large proportion of the young generation is taught to disrespect authority, and it won't be long before this country heads in the way that South Africa has once Apartheid ended, but to a less drastic extent.

If we want the nation to prosper, and to get out of this crippling debt then the last thing we need is a reputation as a comparatively lawless society. The recent publicized assaults on tourists are exactly what I'm talking about. While it's impossible to stamp out crime completely, it's a small minority of the population who are causing the majority of crime.

[imdying]

The government can't do shite mate, it's we as a society that needs to change.

[Spazman727]

It's rather sad that we live in a country where we don't have the right to defend our own property, or ourselves.

If someone were to catch someone burgling their house, then the home owner should be allowed to shoot the offender with a firearm. It's legal in many parts of the USA, and it seems to work.

Do you really want to model our society on America's?

I agree that we should be able to physically defend ourselves and our property, but is shooting some wayward kid really the best answer? Does that not make you as bad, if not worse than the criminal? I know you will say that this wayward kid may turn out to be a career criminal, but he just as easily might not, and you just shot some 14 year old kid who has very few options in life anyway.

It's like capital punishment, executing a criminal just makes you the same as them and isn't your point that your are better than them?

Don't get me wrong, If someone broke into my house, I would do my best to incapacitate them and make them wish they hadn't, but I don't think killing them is the answer. If they have a weapon, however, that is a different matter. That means they intend to do something more than just rob you and in that case I think they are fair game.

[red mermaid]

As you say it seems to work so you must have knowledge of burglary rates.


What are the burglary rates for each state of the US and in particular for those states that allow homeowners to shoot burglars, as compared to NZ burglary rates?



It's rather sad that we live in a country where we don't have the right to defend our own property, or ourselves.

If someone were to catch someone burgling their house, then the home owner should be allowed to shoot the offender with a firearm. It's legal in many parts of the USA, and it seems to work.

[SMOKEU]

As you say it seems to work so you must have knowledge of burglary rates.


What are the burglary rates for each state of the US and in particular for those states that allow homeowners to shoot burglars, as compared to NZ burglary rates?

I'm not sure, but since they're allowed to shoot the thieving cunts that must surely put a serious dent in the ****** population.

[imdying]

You know that the burglars can carry guns as well, right?

[RDJ]

The government can't do shite mate, it's we as a society that needs to change.

Again, not to disagree for the sake of disagreement, but those of us who like you and we work and pay taxes and look after our own kids (while paying for those who do not etc. etc.) - WE do not need to change. The murderers, child molesters, rapists, childkillers, wife- and child- beaters, thieves all need to change but do not and will not as long as the consequences of not changing are pretty dam* painless and we keep funding their lack of impulse control.

So we as a society do not all need to change; we do need to change the pressures on the lawless so they either conform with civilised behaviour or they get locked up.

If I have to pay Danegeld I would rather pay the same amount of money I presently pay toothless police, private security, and everything that goes with that, more directly to secure prisons where yes, people get locked up in unpleasant conditions and do not have any contact with society. Letting them mix in our society makes them no better and they make our society worse. QED...

[RDJ]

You know that the burglars can carry guns as well, right?

Cities in the US with gun control have higher rates of gun violence than cities in the US where it is legally possible to carry a gun.

As has been said elsewhere "The relatively easy availability of guns in the United States may mean that some who want to commit murder or suicide can do so more easily than otherwise. But the numbers indicate that the vast majority of guns in America are not put to use against other human beings, and that guns are not essential to commit a crime."

Overall robbery and assault rates in the United States are comparable to other developed countries, such as Australia and Finland notwithstanding the much lower levels of gun ownership in those countries...

With respect however, we do not need to debate the issue as one between guns or not guns. Guns are only a problem when a criminal gets one. If the criminal is not on the street in the first place, he / she is not a problem for us to solve with 'our' gun...

[red mermaid]

So in other words...you just took a wild arsed KB guess and thought that if a story is repeated enough times it will become a so called fact?


I'm not sure, but since they're allowed to shoot the thieving cunts that must surely put a serious dent in the ****** population.

[Coldrider]

So in other words...you just took a wild arsed KB guess and thought that if a story is repeated enough times it will become a so called fact?I just love it when cops post crap on KB, it blows up their faces just about everytime.
Who is Broad covering today?

[Kickaha]

You get used to it very quickly.

why would you want to "get used to it"


It's rather sad that we live in a country where we don't have the right to defend our own property, or ourselves.

If someone were to catch someone burgling their house, then the home owner should be allowed to shoot the offender with a firearm. It's legal in many parts of the USA, and it seems to work.

A report I read some a decade or so ago said that quite a few homeowners were shot with their own weapons


I just love it when cops post crap on KB, it blows up their faces just about everytime.

Yeah because that NEVER happens to the non cop members does it:facepalm:

[imdying]

Again, not to disagree for the sake of disagreementI gotta go now, but I just wanted to say that you're most welcome to disagree just for the sake of it, it'll still be fun chatting with you :)

[Smifffy]

If they disable your alarm system and take your shit, your shit is gone... they stab the dog and take your shit, your shit is gone with a bit of your heart. Use deterrents by all means, just not the canine kind. A broken alarm system is one thing, but losing your best mate will only add insult to injury.

As you say, my dog is my mate, and he isn't primarily a burglar alarm/deterrent, however should he be around when a burgle comes calling, I'd expect him to put up some resistance, I would also expect any two legged mate of mine on the property to do the same. In fact burgle cunts had best hope that its me at home and not the Moll or they would get some serious bash.

Honestly at the end of the day it would seriously piss me off, (and has done) but it is only shit and it's insured to some degree anyway. If they want the shit they are going to take it, one way or the other. Imdying has already shown us some insight into the filthy thieving burglar cunt devious mind. They want our shit and they are prepared to kill for it.

I seriously doubt that I would be prepared to kill someone, or even their pet, in order to hold onto my accumulated crap. I'd like to think that I'll never have to find out.

[Dave Lobster]

I agree that we should be able to physically defend ourselves and our property, but is shooting some wayward kid really the best answer?

No. The best answer is shooting ALL of the wayward ones.

[SMOKEU]

why would you want to "get used to it"





That depends on how much you value your life and property.

[Smifffy]

That depends on how much you value your life and property.

Funny how them that advocating getting used to it run away to safe little NZ, where they feel free to propagate their disdain of others.

[SMOKEU]

Funny how them that advocating getting used to it run away to safe little NZ, where they feel free to propagate their disdain of others.

You can never get away from crime.

[Smifffy]

It's rather sad that we live in a country where we don't have the right to defend our own property, or ourselves.

If someone were to catch someone burgling their house, then the home owner should be allowed to shoot the offender with a firearm. It's legal in many parts of the USA, and it seems to work.


Hey bro,

did u get my txt? y u dnt ansa?

:innocent:

:yes:

[SMOKEU]

Hey bro,

did u get my txt? y u dnt ansa?

:innocent:

:yes:

Yeah sweetie, I got your txt. Your place or mine tonight?

[RDJ]

Originally Posted by SMOKEU
That depends on how much you value your life and property.

It's not the property per se, it's the intrusion into a private home, as well as the life costs of working to replace the property already earned once. But I'll take a leaf out of the Harley book now and say "if I have to explain, you wouldn't understand"

[Smifffy]

Yeah sweetie, I got your txt. Your place or mine tonight?

it was in the txt.

[SMOKEU]

Originally Posted by SMOKEU
That depends on how much you value your life and property.

It's not the property per se, it's the intrusion into a private home, as well as the life costs of working to replace the property already earned once. But I'll take a leaf out of the Harley book now and say "if I have to explain, you wouldn't understand"

Exactly!


it was in the txt.

Your place it is then.