Rare car

[nadroj]

These were killed off before they got started by the oil crisis. Even engine developement was underway to be used in F5000 by Repco. Motor is a 4.4L version of the Rover 3.5L V8.

[nadroj]

Other classics at the same fundraising display.
1. 57 Chev 2 door
2. Buicks - the Yellow coupe I suspect was the Whirling Brothers stunt car in the 60's
3. Tassles for Scummy in the car I first did the ton in
4. V8 60 midget with Hogan heads (Garth Hogan's father had them cast)
5 Indian depatch riders bike

[nadroj]

More from the display.
1. Triumph 2000 Special. Motor is at an angle to allow footroom to the left - quite a squeeze.
2. A contrast in bikes - one of the last Comando's.
3. One of a collectors toys featured recently on McGuires Car Crazy.
4. Tanks a lot.
5. One of the bikes I have raced against - An early Briggo 4 valve reunited with it's owner of 78 to 84. ( I rode the bike second from the right in the pic)

[98tls]

:facepalm:Be thankful eh,looks like a cross between a Jensen Interceptor and something only an Englishman could find attractive.As if the P76 wasnt bad enough.

[nadroj]

Would have been interesting to see them up against the Monaro & Falcon coupe.

[98tls]

Would have been interesting to see them up against the Monaro & Falcon coupe.

Doubt it to be honest,whilst the motor may have had potential as bad as both the Holden and Falcon were in the handling and stopping depts you could bet your boots that that thing would have been infinitely worse.If the thing had ever been built in numbers no doubt the motor would have ended up somewhere worthwhile the rest of it..shit who cares.:yes:Somewhat similar to the fate of the P76.

[EJK]

And here I'm thinking I knew alot about cars :facepalm:

[Cloggy]

And even rarer than the Force 7:
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Wagon version of the P76, only one known in existence.

[pete376403]

When the P76 came out a mate described them to me as "a car that Neville Lodge could have designed"

(Neville Lodge was a cartoonist for the Evening Post newspaper in Wellington a long time ago. Wellingtonians of a certain age will know who I refer to)

[Motu]

Would have been interesting to see them up against the Monaro & Falcon coupe.

The P76 did - Even Green drove one in the London Sahara Munich Rally,he wrote a book called A Boot Full of Right Arms about the rally...a really good read.I don't know if a Falcon was even in it,but a Monaro was - and the P76 just ran away from it.The P76 was right up there with some of the world best rally cars (these were production cars,used on long rallys).There were some bad directions,and most of the competitors got lost,Stirling Moss almost died of thirst when his Mercedes broke down.The front end of the P76 was ripped out in the dunes.Only one car finished the rally,a Citroen...so of course was declared the winner.

Anyway,it proved that with very little preparation the P76 could run rings around the ford and Holden.

[98tls]

The P76 did - Even Green drove one in the London Sahara Munich Rally,he wrote a book called A Boot Full of Right Arms about the rally...a really good read.I don't know if a Falcon was even in it,but a Monaro was - and the P76 just ran away from it.The P76 was right up there with some of the world best rally cars (these were production cars,used on long rallys).There were some bad directions,and most of the competitors got lost,Stirling Moss almost died of thirst when his Mercedes broke down.The front end of the P76 was ripped out in the dunes.Only one car finished the rally,a Citroen...so of course was declared the winner.

Anyway,it proved that with very little preparation the P76 could run rings around the ford and Holden.

yep for sure,if only we all lived in the desert.:facepalm:It proved nothing,the P76 was a failure,very very simple no matter how sentimental you care to be,

[dangerous]

Doubt it to be honest,whilst the motor may have had potential as bad as both the Holden and Falcon were in the handling and stopping depts you could bet your boots that that thing would have been infinitely worse.If the thing had ever been built in numbers no doubt the motor would have ended up somewhere worthwhile the rest of it..shit who cares.:yes:Somewhat similar to the fate of the P76.

Ohhh man dont hassle the P76, they are awesome but farking ugly but awesome and most 4.4's found them selves in jet boats, perfect all alloy mid cubed donks, thers a Stag on tardme at the mo with one in, if it wasent yellow it be mine. The Force 7 does look P76ish from the frount.

[Paul in NZ]

I like the M3 'Stuart'. I was offered one for $800 in the 70's and 3 of us were going to go shares but mydad was NOT happy to have it parked in the back yard.... (I already had a Daimler Scout Car there). Blary wonderful thing - used left over radial aircraft engines and you started it with a big black powder cartridge - phoooarrr....

[nadroj]

Back view.

[Paul in NZ]

The Plymouth Barracuda had a LOT to answer for.... bletch!

[dangerous]

The Plymouth Barracuda had a LOT to answer for.... bletch!

is that the rear engined transverse air cooled 8 thing?

[FJRider]

is that the rear engined transverse air cooled 8 thing?

You figure it out .... :sunny:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Barracuda

[HenryDorsetCase]

And even rarer than the Force 7:
232437
Wagon version of the P76, only one known in existence.

fuck that! check out the slide window exposed hinge Minis in the background

:cool:

[SPman]

You mean proper Minis! Whats the bet they had the starter button on the floor and the wire door handles......proper Minis!

[nadroj]

is that the rear engined transverse air cooled 8 thing?

Na - are you thinking of the Chev Corvair flat 6?

[nadroj]

The Plymouth Barracuda had a LOT to answer for.... bletch!

Similar rear quarter panels.

[dangerous]

Na - are you thinking of the Chev Corvair flat 6?

yeah thats it, air cooled flat 6 and flat 6 turbo, a few pics of various model

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The Plymouth Barracuda had a LOT to answer for.... bletch!
what was up with that then?

[Paul in NZ]

what was up with that then?

The barracuda 'fastback' was a bit of a style icon to the brits and spawned a lot of horrid clones like the force 7 and the sunbeam rapier fastback...

[dangerous]

The barracuda 'fastback' was a bit of a style icon to the brits and spawned a lot of horrid clones like the force 7 and the sunbeam rapier fastback...
looking at the link above it looks like a charger, nothing out landish. Ya still see the odd sunbeam rapier about.
The brits didnt always copy the yanks my Triumph car bible has a few odd balls in it like pop up head lights in the early 50's and a TR that looks like a Stingray, both out befor the yanks... even an amfibious LOL.

[nadroj]

The original Alloy V8 design was by Buick who sold the design to British Leyland (for Rovers) who licenced it to Leyland Australia to enlarge from 3.5L to 4.4L for the P76. Most ex P76 motors ended up in Range rovers or jet boats as well as a few motorsport specials.

[dangerous]

The original Alloy V8 design was by Buick who sold the design to British Leyland (for Rovers) who licenced it to Leyland Australia to enlarge from 3.5L to 4.4L for the P76. Most ex P76 motors ended up in Range rovers or jet boats as well as a few motorsport specials.correct me if Im wrong, but is the 3.5 all alloy? I thought only barrels and or heads were?

[Buyasta]

correct me if Im wrong, but is the 3.5 all alloy? I thought only barrels and or heads were?

Nope, it's all aluminium, block and all.
Little more info here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_V8).

[nadroj]

The give away of the design origin is the way the tappett covers sit up top like the "nail Valve" Buick motors of the 50's in 322cuin and 364cuin versions and early 60's 401 cuin models. The alloy motor was ahead of it's time when introduced in 1961 and weathered the "fuel crisis" in the USA however it was the fuel crisis that killed the P76 in Au/NZ as this was a larger motor here.

[Edbear]

Interesting history of the engine. Notable was that Leyand Aus did increase the block size making the 4.4 lt higer and wider than the standard engine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_V8_engine
[edit] 4.4
Leyland P76 V8 engineLeyland of Australia produced a special 4,416 cc (269.5 cu in) version of the aluminium V8 for their Australia-only 1973 Leyland P76. The bore was 88.9 mm (3.50 in) and the stroke was 88.9 mm (3.50 in), making it a square engine. The block deck height was extended and longer conrods were fitted 158.75 mm (6.250 in) between centres. This rare engine produced 200 hp (149 kW) and 280 ft·lbf (380 N·m) and although export (to the UK) versions were planned, the closure by British Leyland of their Australian operations in 1975 precluded the widespread application of this engine.

Applications:

1973–1975 Leyland P76
Leyland Terrier truck

[Motu]

When Honda took over Motorcorp,they were getting rid of BMC stuff wholesale,you could get a complete P76 engine very cheap.Perfect timing for failing Triumph Stags.

[dangerous]

When Honda took over Motorcorp,they were getting rid of BMC stuff wholesale,you could get a complete P76 engine very cheap.Perfect timing for failing Triumph Stags.
AYE! the stag never failed, the 3 liter wasnt the best engine about basicly 2 TR7 blocks knocked up, but shit thers still pleanty of 3L stags running around.

[pete376403]

The original Alloy V8 design was by Buick who sold the design to British Leyland (for Rovers) who licenced it to Leyland Australia to enlarge from 3.5L to 4.4L for the P76. Most ex P76 motors ended up in Range rovers or jet boats as well as a few motorsport specials.

One ended up in my brother-in-laws Mitsi Sigma. With a 4 barrel, 5 speed steel case toyota box and charger diff it went like fuck. Handled well too although the V8 was a bit light for the front (lighter that the 2 litre iron block mitsi)

[98tls]

Anyone remember who it was that had a P76 motor in an escort waaayyy back,remember it at the Ashley forest rally.

[FJRider]

Anyone remember who it was that had a P76 motor in an escort waaayyy back,remember it at the Ashley forest rally.

I remember such things ... when the Ashly forest rally sprint was televised ... every year ...

ALL manner of "home built specials" were run ... with varying degrees of success ...

[BMWST?]

yep for sure,if only we all lived in the desert.:facepalm:It proved nothing,the P76 was a failure,very very simple no matter how sentimental you care to be,

it was a failure mostly because it was launched right on the oil shock

[Kickaha]

Anyone remember who it was that had a P76 motor in an escort waaayyy back,remember it at the Ashley forest rally.

Alec Doig, I think the car was from Rangiora
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I remember such things ... when the Ashly forest rally sprint was televised ... every year ...

ALL manner of "home built specials" were run ... with varying degrees of success ...

Trevor Crowes V8 starlet and Kim Austins V8 Chevette immediately come to mind

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I've been around the course in 1.11 as a passenger while the top guys on the day were 1.01, fuck knows where they find that 10 seconds

[BMWST?]

I remember such things ... when the Ashly forest rally sprint was televised ... every year ...

ALL manner of "home built specials" were run ... with varying degrees of success ...

prolly the same guy who has all the v8 specials....it will come to me.

[FJRider]

prolly the same guy who has all the v8 specials....it will come to me.

I did the lap once in an Army Bedford once ....

it was timed ... but I had a battle to get it under 10 minutes ... :blink:

An interesting link

http://www.ashleyforestrallysprint.co.nz/

[scumdog]

yeah thats it, air cooled flat 6 and flat 6 turbo, a few pics of various model

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There's a motorbike in Dunedin with one of them motors!

[scumdog]

When Honda took over Motorcorp,they were getting rid of BMC stuff wholesale,you could get a complete P76 engine very cheap.Perfect timing for failing Triumph Stags.

Yup, could buy a brand new P76 motor for $1,800 down here in the late 70's.

[avgas]

Anyway,it proved that with very little preparation the P76 could run rings around the ford and Holden.
You make that sound like a challenge...... but the reality is that its not really.
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They all raced, won.....got banned.

[SPman]

is that the rear engined transverse air cooled 8 thing?
That would be theCzech Tatra V8, wouldn't it?

[dangerous]

Anyone remember who it was that had a P76 motor in an escort waaayyy back,remember it at the Ashley forest rally. way back when we could do what we liked all quite leagle n all no damn certs needed, I remember a guy with a V8 in a morrie minor, had a V4 in a herald for a very short time.



That would be theCzech Tatra V8, wouldn't it?
Ok so went googling and fark thats ugley but oddly enough runs either a 3.5 or 4.4 litre 90° air-cooled V8 petrol enginei the arse end. 232649
and how bout an earler 3L 232650
but no not what I was thinking of, Im guesing I have mixed a few togeather in my little nogin and dreampt up my own.

[Motu]

You make that sound like a challenge...... but the reality is that its not really.

The P76 was a 4 door saloon made to compete with HQ Holdens and XA Falcons for Bruce Citizen's money for a family car.That it could run away from a ''sporty'' 2 door Monaro was no real challenge either.There were a lot of reasons why the P76 failed,and the engineering of the car wasn't one of them.

[Kickaha]

Ok so went googling and fark thats ugley but oddly enough runs either a 3.5 or 4.4 litre 90° air-cooled V8 petrol engine

You've seen one in real life you Muppet, they have one at Southwards

[EJK]

I don't know what you old folkes are talking about but only a few days ago I saw a Porsche 2.7 RS.

Didn't belive my fucking eyes.

[dangerous]

You've seen one in real life you Muppet, they have one at Southwards
thinking thinking... thinking *heads of to the arcives deep in the bells of the puter*

232668 Nope
232669 dont think so
232670 Naaa
232671 nooooooooo...

ahhhhhhhhhhhh HA, how the hell could I forget something so fugley