Who says adv bikes can't race...

[NordieBoy]

Listen for the riders names :D
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[paturoa]

I only saw Hondas and Yammies, where were all the other whales?

[Crim]

there were Kwakas - great video, Nordie!:woohoo:

[NordieBoy]

Kwakka's were there too.

Throwing around XTZ750's like toys :D

Carl Fogerty peddled that Dominator quite quickly too.

[paturoa]

Ah yes - short attention span after a few ales!

And the others?

[Padmei]

You know what would be really cool- a teams race/event where 2riders had to ride together as a team. That way there was someone tohelp push on the worst places & to pick up the bikes.

Hmmmm maybe we could work one into a laidback trail ride???

[NordieBoy]

Ah yes - short attention span after a few ales!

And the others?

Apart from the DR Big, there's too much mud to tell.


But as they'd be from the manufacturers they were riding the IOM TT for, I'd guess Yam, Honda, Kwakka, Suzuki...

[gav24]

Cool vid,
Love the homage to "on any sunday" at the end. Just like the final sequence in the original (and best) bike movie.
Love the idea of a 2 man "advenduro" - I'd be well up for that!

[tri boy]

You know what would be really cool- a teams race/event where 2riders had to ride together as a team. That way there was someone tohelp push on the worst places & to pick up the bikes.

Hmmmm maybe we could work one into a laidback trail ride???

Fucken oath!
Team Wuckatoo will consist of Dino n me, (on Dinos BRP).
Can't think of a more delicious idea than thrashing someone else's bike, and they have to push me out of bog holes, while i'm killing their ride.
Organise it,and they will come.:yes:

[gav24]

Errr...
Surely 2 man means 2 bikes...:facepalm:

[dino3310]

Fucken oath!
Team Wuckatoo will consist of Dino n me, (on Dinos BRP).
Can't think of a more delicious idea than thrashing someone else's bike, and they have to push me out of bog holes, while i'm killing their ride.
Organise it,and they will come.:yes:

at least you can fix it after:woohoo: , fooken hell im in... thats the kinda racing i like:scooter:

[Padmei]

Errr...
Surely 2 man means 2 bikes...:facepalm:

Amen.

Hmmmm. I'll talk to Nordie & maybe we can get a course worked out. Could do a few laps around the forest,with the odd road section in to keep them road legal. Even a motard sectio ontheold whangamoa Rd (We'll have the videocamera set up on one very slippery corner but won't tell you which - actually no I wouldn't wishthat on anyone really)

Now all we need to find are steep loose rocky hills, muddy bits, gorsed no exit tracks, tree falled roads, sounds coool

Anyone interested in coming up or down for one?
It would of course be a 'disorganised event' with open forestry roads etc

[gav24]

Yeah could be a great end of summer excursion from the North Island:yes:
Depending on dates and prior commitments I am keen, any other North Islanders keen?

[JATZ]

Yip.....:yes: Me 'n' Piglet will be keenish.....

depending.....

[Woodman]

That was the coolest thing ever. Some big names in there too.

The team thing you suggested Paddles sounds bloody good.

[Eddieb]

Yip.....:yes: Me 'n' Piglet will be keenish.....

depending.....

Remember how we were commenting on Piglets gay run in one of the DB1K photo's?

Have a look at the helmet cam video where I come off, Piglet runs back to help me pick the bike up, check his running style out ;)

Your assistance was greatly appreciated Tom, really ;)

[Woodman]

Remember how we were commenting on Piglets gay run in one of the DB1K photo's?

Have a look at the helmet cam video where I come off, Piglet runs back to help me pick the bike up, check his running style out ;)

Your assistance was greatly appreciated Tom, really ;)

Fish, barrel, shooting, gay runner, DR rider.

[Padmei]

Fish, barrel, shooting, gay runner, DR rider.

Hey lets leave that dirty little piggy out of things-



he's a good kisser:love:

[Phreaky Phil]

All the other Naki riders are broken :crybaby:

[NordieBoy]

2 options for this sort of "race".

2 people 1 bike or 2 people 2 bikes.

Actually I think that both would be about even. 2-2 would be quicker on transport sections and 2-1 quicker in the gnarly bits.

I played on a couple of sections that'd require pushing/pulling and significant lifting.

Arrows on corners and dazzle for the bits you need to "tag".

Or even a home made set of cards where at each dead end section, you take your card from the pile and the first one back with all their cards is teh winnerz.

Start point of Bottom of Steep Rd for the Steep and Middle Rd sections and then off to Mt Duppa and the Lost Highway with maybe even lifting the bikes over the ditches/rocks and onto SH6 and back...

2 people, 1 bike would be sooo cool :D

[Crim]

Or even a home made set of cards where at each dead end section, you take your card from the pile and the first one back with all their cards is teh winnerz.

NADS & North Islanders (and that's not even mentioning the one eyes)- I reckon the chances of those piles not being "lost" or "hidden" for following riders may be quite small :devil2:- or am I just a cynical old bustard?

[Padmei]

2 options for this sort of "race".

2 people 1 bike or 2 people 2 bikes.

Actually I think that both would be about even. 2-2 would be quicker on transport sections and 2-1 quicker in the gnarly bits.

I played on a couple of sections that'd require pushing/pulling and significant lifting.

Arrows on corners and dazzle for the bits you need to "tag".

Or even a home made set of cards where at each dead end section, you take your card from the pile and the first one back with all their cards is teh winnerz.

Start point of Bottom of Steep Rd for the Steep and Middle Rd sections and then off to Mt Duppa and the Lost Highway with maybe even lifting the bikes over the ditches/rocks and onto SH6 and back...

2 people, 1 bike would be sooo cool :D

No def have tobe 2 different bikes. That waywe could evenhave 'factory' teams. Ilikethe idea of using parts of the xcountry in Hira as the tracks that follow the road up Bobs fern & Maitai face rd are parallel to the road in case it's too slippery for big bikes.

I was thinking fun& challenging but also big bike friendly as there are heaps of eventsfor pip squeak bikes.

Riding into a certain doom with gorse soon loses its appeal.

[Woodman]

Bikes must weigh no less than 150kg fully fuelled, and have dot tyres fitted.

Maybe extra points or no time penalties for getting the bikes up / through the really gnarly bits, no matter how you manage to get up / through.

Yeah

[cooneyr]

Bikes must weigh no less than 150kg fully fuelled, and have dot tyres fitted.

Maybe extra points or no time penalties for getting the bikes up / through the really gnarly bits, no matter how you manage to get up / through.

Yeah

I am keen but this weight ruling would count me out. :crybaby: Can we have an "light weight" or dual sport class as well?

Do it orienteering styles. Have a topomap with a bunch of points marked, people find their own way to each of the points and can do them in any order. Routes to each point would generally be pretty obvious as they will be on roads. At each point you stamp your card with the stamp. Each point has a different stamp on a string. Have an ice cream container at each point in an obvious location so you know when you are there. No GPS's allowed.

Cheers R

[Night Falcon]

about time we saw some history on this forum hehehawhaw..nice one Nord:rockon:

[NordieBoy]

NADS & North Islanders (and that's not even mentioning the one eyes)- I reckon the chances of those piles not being "lost" or "hidden" for following riders may be quite small :devil2:- or am I just a cynical old bustard?

You're just a Crim.

[NordieBoy]

No def have tobe 2 different bikes. That waywe could evenhave 'factory' teams. Ilikethe idea of using parts of the xcountry in Hira as the tracks that follow the road up Bobs fern & Maitai face rd are parallel to the road in case it's too slippery for big bikes.

I was thinking fun& challenging but also big bike friendly as there are heaps of eventsfor pip squeak bikes.

Riding into a certain doom with gorse soon loses its appeal.

Catch with Hira is the entry fee...

[george formby]

Most excellent video. Hope you don't mind if i pilfer. My mate in Scotland ( a viking with #15 feet ) used to ride his Dommie like that at times.

[buggsubique]

its awesome watching those big bikes - they have their inertia, that's for sure. They're pushing them hard and then once they start to go....well, it just gets untidy. :gob:

[NordieBoy]

Do it orienteering styles. Have a topomap with a bunch of points marked, people find their own way to each of the points and can do them in any order. Routes to each point would generally be pretty obvious as they will be on roads. At each point you stamp your card with the stamp. Each point has a different stamp on a string. Have an ice cream container at each point in an obvious location so you know when you are there. No GPS's allowed.

Was thinking of the orienteering(ish) angle too.

GPS waypoints with no background maps allowed and offroad routing turned on.

Knowing you're only 50m away but there's a bluff there :yes:

That way it's much easier to set up and no having to rush around on the morning of the ride making sure everything is still in place.
Looking at the GPS track later we can see if you got them all.

If the course is set up on a DR650 with road tyres then anything should be able to get around.

2 on 2: One bike has to be over 150kg wet.
2 on 1: If bike <150kg wet then one rider has to be over 90kg wet.

No machetes/chainsaws/slashers allowed.
Bribery will be appreciated.

[Padmei]

No I'm against orienteering events due to the obvious (Ialwaysget fricking lost- and I have had a lot of experience doing & organising orienteering events etc).

I'm going for arrows & possibly a rollchart mappish thing. An easy to find circuit. That way it's about riding & having fun.


3 categories

liteweight powderpuff boys

Men & boys - one big bike one small

Granite men- 2 big bikes.

Prize for the heaviest duo.

I DONT want it to become a race for little bikes going really fast, but an opportunity for those with real adventure bikes to have fun & be able to laugh at themselves & others. I was intending it to be in the spirit of the video.

The whole idea of the two personteams is that when it comes to the knarly stuff team work & thinking will overcome the obstacles.

Also some guys with olderbikes don'treally wantto get them damaged due to replacement plastics etc so nana line would be a kinder option.

[NordieBoy]

The nana lines would need signs saying "wait 5 minutes before proceeding" :yes:

A circuit up Ben Nevis would be do-able.

2 min start gaps between teams.

We could look at the tracks we've done up there on Google Earth and layout a track from that.

Staplegun, arrows...

We'll have to start planning :D



But I still like the 2 on 1, GPS orienteering idea too :love:

[Phreaky Phil]

If its a race, how are you going to sort all the usual BS involved with a competion event ? A Navigation event wouldn't require getting involved in that.
Have you ever looked at the ALCAN 5000 ?

[NordieBoy]

If its a race, how are you going to sort all the usual BS involved with a competion event ? A Navigation event wouldn't require getting involved in that.
Have you ever looked at the ALCAN 5000 ?

Race?

No start or finish line, just a mustering area.
Navigation by arrows stapled to trees.

Al Can 5000?
Collecting beer cans just doesn't have the same appeal really.

[Padmei]

If its a race, how are you going to sort all the usual BS involved with a competion event ? A Navigation event wouldn't require getting involved in that.
Have you ever looked at the ALCAN 5000 ?

Easy- it's not going to be a race - just a bunchof guys falling off bikes. grassroots.

[NordieBoy]

Easy- it's not going to be a race - just a bunchof guys falling off bikes. grassroots.

Bloody grass roots :angry:

[cold comfort]

excellent video-very entertaining. Always good to see "proper" riders falling off in the mud too.

[gav24]

How about a roll chart route - grass roots, DIY, lo-tech and cheap.
In some fun enduro's I 've ridden they've used the "poker hand" method to avoid racing:- at each checkpoint you randomly select a playing card. At the end of the event the rider/team with the best hand wins. No special tests needed, just need to be 'on time' between the checks. Small bikes have tight times, big bikes are given more time.
Another option is to make the times between checks unimportant - then add in challenges at 2 or 3 points along the way to score the results for those that care ie. a slow bike race, or weaving in and out of cones, or even a mini mx type special test.
On the subject of GPS - and not this thread:shutup: - have any of you guys tried geocaching, seems to be made for adv biking and gps farkles...

[pete376403]

QUOTE=Padmei;1129990961]Easy- it's not going to be a race - just a bunch of guys falling off bikes. grassroots.[/QUOTE]

More than one bike? It's going to turn into a race. Thats the way it is.

[NordieBoy]

How about a roll chart route - grass roots, DIY, lo-tech and cheap.
In some fun enduro's I 've ridden they've used the "poker hand" method to avoid racing:- at each checkpoint you randomly select a playing card. At the end of the event the rider/team with the best hand wins. No special tests needed, just need to be 'on time' between the checks. Small bikes have tight times, big bikes are given more time.
Too much work :D


On the subject of GPS - and not this thread:shutup: - have any of you guys tried geocaching, seems to be made for adv biking and gps farkles...
I've found 38 since signing up in 2003 :woohoo:
Back then there were about 30 caches in the whole top of the south.
Now there are well over 300 in the Nelson area alone.

[NordieBoy]

More than one bike? It's going to turn into a race. Thats the way it is.

I have a plan.
Coffee cart half way.

[Woodman]

I have a plan.
Coffee cart half way.

Just what we need to avoid racing. Coffee, that'll work.

KISS pricipal is best, not too complicated, but just some very challenging sections, e.g. nigh on impossible. We can bench race afterwards down t pub.

[Padmei]

Nordie& I have been talking about possible sites. There will prob be short highway bits in the middle to link up tracks etc.

It'll be fun. Prob more fun for us to organise than you guys riding but hey...

I'll start looking for unofficial sponsors for prizes.

St Vincent de Paul make very nice winners jackets

[NordieBoy]

For the first one, it looks like it'd be a 2 person team multi-lap circuit with no dead ends and arrows marking the course.
Out Mt Duppa or Wairoa Gorge way.

The second one will be 2-2 and 2-1 person-bike teams with gps waypoints, orienteering style. Dead ends and maybe even river crossings, highway transport sections and everything.
Out Mt Duppa way.

[NordieBoy]

The Hospice shop does a nice line of gorse proof silk shirt and tie combos.

[Crisis management]

Sounds interesting but I would need a bit of notice to arrange going that far for a weekend....

[gav24]

sorry - no can do.

No GPS...unless you know another way round that problem...

[JATZ]

The Hospice shop does a nice line of gorse proof silk shirt and tie combos.

Ooooo a shirt and tie affair :woohoo:

sorry - no can do.

No GPS...unless you know another way round that problem...

.... follow someone who has one ? :yes:

[NordieBoy]

Ooooo a shirt and tie affair :woohoo:

NADS are allll class :yes:

[Transalper]

....
On the subject of GPS - and not this thread:shutup: - have any of you guys tried geocaching, seems to be made for adv biking and gps farkles...


Too much work :D


I've found 38 since signing up in 2003 :woohoo:
Back then there were about 30 caches in the whole top of the south.
Now there are well over 300 in the Nelson area alone.

You slacker Nordie, team TransalperNZ (J and I) just uncovered our 450th (haven't logged Sundays 5 yet). Actually 2 of the earlier finds were with cooneyr.

[gav24]

Off Topic!
...but Geo caching may be the reason I need to buy a gps - without starting a huge thread on this what do you guys use for geocaching on bikes.

On Topic!
Any news on a date for the 2 man advenduro events yet. And any other North islanders with GPS planing on heading down?

[NordieBoy]

I think we need to hold a little test one first...

:blink:

[gav24]

:corn::corn:
will keep an eye out.

I'm pretty keen as I had been toying with an idea similar to the 2 man (great concept - 2 riders, wish I'd have thought of it!).
I was thinking of it being run as a route card / time card, rally/enduro rally sort of thing locally here.

Looking forward to reading the results of the test run...

[Transalper]

Off Topic!
...but Geo caching may be the reason I need to buy a gps - without starting a huge thread on this what do you guys use for geocaching on bikes.
Hand helds still best for geocaching. Legend HCX was ok but any with a magnetic compass are better and currently gone paperless with the map62s.
Paperless rocks, much better than carting paper or special phones/laptops etc around as well as the gps to keep the cache info on. Map62s holds all the needed info. The Dekotas and colorados do paperless too. Garmin all the way for me so far.

[Padmei]

Ok lets get ridof the gps stuff aye? We're talking about riding bikes like rela men used to do with grit in theirteeth & mud in theircracks

[Crisis management]

Hand helds still best for geocaching. Legend HCX was ok but any with a magnetic compass are better and currently gone paperless with the map62s.
Paperless rocks, much better than carting paper or special phones/laptops etc around as well as the gps to keep the cache info on. Map62s holds all the needed info. The Dekotas and colorados do paperless too. Garmin all the way for me so far.

Can someone translate this please, I clearly don't speak Canterbury........

[gav24]

errr yeah! 62s what? :blink:
new to all this so may start a new thread and leave this one for adv bike "racing"...