Tossers costing us ACC levies

[DrMotard]

What is it with all those brain dead riders who kit up in T shirt, shorts and jandals when they ride - that's got to be a big contibutor to the medical and ACC vosts when they finally bite the tarseal (and they will)? I have taken to hunting them down and thanking them for being a @#%$wit and costing me heaps.

If the cops want to revenue hunt simply make it a $1,000 fine - the cops will meet budget within a week I reckon

[schrodingers cat]

Yep. What he said

[Coldrider]

$1,000 fine for what ?

[Berries]

What is it with all those brain dead riders who kit up in T shirt, shorts and jandals when they ride - that's got to be a big contibutor to the medical and ACC vosts when they finally bite the tarseal (and they will)? I have taken to hunting them down and thanking them for being a @#%$wit and costing me heaps.
I think you will find it is the people who crash and get injured that are costing you heaps, and that has nothing to do with what they are wearing. Why not just go up to every rider and abuse them ? Surely they are all going to crash at some point and add to your burden.

[James Deuce]

Berries is on to it. It's not them, it's people like me.

[steve_t]

Should we make gear compulsory? Will someone then have to certify what gear meets NZ standards? Who makes these standards and who inspects gears to see if they meet the standards? Who pays the people that maintain the system?

Should we have another ATGATT thread? What if they aren't wearing ATGATT but know the secret KB wave? :innocent:

[oldrider]

Why can't riders with safe riding history be given some kind of rebate for their exemplary safe record?

I mean they (ACC) already do that in industry, safe industrial sites pay less ACC!

Probably cost too much to administer and check but hey we are asking for suggestions on how to get our costs down.

Instead of attacking the unsafe (which is probably unsafe anyway) let the safe get recognised for being safe. :blink:

What we need is some balance from ACC! :yes:

Edit: Then again they could return to the principals of the Woodhouse report and do it properly but they won't do that!:facepalm:

[steve_t]

Why can't riders with safe riding history be given some kind of rebate for their exemplary safe record?

I mean they (ACC) already do that in industry, safe industrial sites pay less ACC!

Probably cost too much to administer and check but hey we are asking for suggestions on how to get our costs down.

Instead of attacking the unsafe (which is probably unsafe anyway) let the safe get recognised for being safe. :blink:

What we need is some balance from ACC! :yes:

Do you mean some kind of 'no claims discount'? Kinda akin to a private insurance company? :innocent:

[oldrider]

Do you mean some kind of 'no claims discount'? Kinda akin to a private insurance company? :innocent:

Well as long as these guy's are in there we are stuck with that principal I spose!

[Sable]

Fine for not wearing at minimum a long sleeved top and gloves of some description. Sounds easy to me

[schrodingers cat]

Fuckwits like these p'haps
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/134843-Hamilton-Scooter-Shunt

[Coldrider]

Maybe they should be fined for being braindead, that would cover alot of instances without specific laws being passed.
Would that be one fine or concurrent while they consume oxygen.

[spookytooth]

Fuck sure get sick of wankers bleating on about what they think other ppl should or should not do/ wear. Get the fuck over it and look after yourself

[PrincessBandit]

Those who ride with minimal gear on are probably the same people who do all sorts of dumb risky shit but work on the 9 times out of 10 I"ll-be-right principle. Everyone is convinced there is nothing wrong with what they're doing, despite risk factors, until the brown kaka hits the fan. Or the road in this case.

[RideLife]

One could argue that those riding around in shorts and T shirt are likely to be More careful in their riding, as they feel more vulnerable than those riding round in ‘Protect me from anything’ standard cotton jeans and long sleeved wind breaker.

[Fatt Max]

........and some of us are even fat....

[cowboyz]

oh.. I thought it was the lack of comardary and general idea that NZders like taking it up the arse that was pushing costs up. We came.. we shouted bullshit.. and they do what they always would have done anyhow.......

[oneofsix]

The first full ATGATT made me feel like a knight in my protective armour, delusional I know. :shutup: Proved it wasn't the prefect protection in the first accident too, the ATGATT saved my skin but its not magic.
I think the guy that followed me the other day in T-shirt, jean shorts and 'slippers' on his red Ninja 250 needs educating but I don't think his freedom to do so should be legislated away

[awayatc]

when they finally bite the tarseal (and they will)? I have taken to hunting them down and thanking them for being a @#%$wit and costing me heaps.


Well well......
doesn't the world look simple to Helen's offspring......
You try hunting me down if you got the balls...
Acc will be paying allright, but not for me.
I ride as I please, where I please and how I please.
Acc paid fuck all for me, and my attire doesn't make me crash.
I do kit up when I feel like it, and ride with fuck all at other times.
Beancounters should drive F'ckn Corollas or Zimmerframes.
Get a life.
One of your own preferably...

[Coldrider]

Unless you go to hospital in an ambulance ACC won't pick up the tab, because if you go to outpatients to get your skin fixed up you will not hang around for the service (or lack of) and you will go to your GP.

[James Deuce]

Unless you go to hospital in an ambulance ACC won't pick up the tab, because if you go to outpatients to get your skin fixed up you will not hang around for the service (or lack of) and you will go to your GP.

This is the bit where someone makes a pithy comment about NZers not understanding how ACC works, let alone knowing what they'll be missing when it's gone.

But I can't be bothered. Someone else do it.

[Coldrider]

It also sorts out those that don't think medical insurance is worth it.

[Kickaha]

What is it with all those brain dead riders who kit up in T shirt, shorts and jandals when they ride - that's got to be a big contibutor to the medical and ACC vosts when they finally bite the tarseal (and they will)? I have taken to hunting them down and thanking them for being a @#%$wit and costing me heaps.

If the cops want to revenue hunt simply make it a $1,000 fine - the cops will meet budget within a week I reckon


You've got nothing to back up your claims that they're costing you heaps, squids on sprotsbikes are probably costing you more

So they choose to wear the minimum gear required by law, well here's some news for you, dumb as it may be that's all they're required to do

[James Deuce]

It also sorts out those that don't think medical insurance is worth it.

You still missed the point I see.

[Coldrider]

You still missed the point I see.Well as I have not ridden recklessly and been outsmarted by a sheep and have had multiple head injuries through not being able to handle a motorcycle I would not know the ins and outs of ACC like you.

[James Deuce]

Well as I have not ridden recklessly and been outsmarted by a sheep and have had multiple head injuries through not being able to handle a motorcycle I would not know the ins and outs of ACC like you.

But now we know the stuff you're made of.

[Coldrider]

But now we know the stuff you're made of.Right, but it doesn't really acheive anything though does it.

[Mom]

Why not just go up to every rider and abuse them ? Surely they are all going to crash at some point and add to your burden.

I think he does :yes: I cant find the thread, but there was a fella complaining about being accosted regarding what he was wearing in the last few days :yes:


Berries is on to it. It's not them, it's people like me.

Eh?


Should we have another ATGATT thread?

They dont work, much like bleating about not being waved to :D


Edit: Then again they could return to the principals of the Woodhouse report and do it properly but they won't do that!:facepalm:

Far too simple...


Get the fuck over it and look after yourself

And that is the truth!


One could argue that those riding around in shorts and T shirt are likely to be More careful in their riding, as they feel more vulnerable than those riding round in ‘Protect me from anything’ standard cotton jeans and long sleeved wind breaker.

There is that school of thought.


Unless you go to hospital in an ambulance ACC won't pick up the tab, because if you go to outpatients to get your skin fixed up you will not hang around for the service (or lack of) and you will go to your GP.

Be really aware that unless you call an ambulance with in 24hours of the original injury, that they have accepted your claim for, regardless of how sick you actually are, they wont even pay for that :angry:


But I can't be bothered. Someone else do it.

I would but...


Well as I have not ridden recklessly and been outsmarted by a sheep and have had multiple head injuries through not being able to handle a motorcycle I would not know the ins and outs of ACC like you.

Geeze, that is a bit off.

I took a pill prescribed by my GP to lower my blood pressure. Turns out I was allergic to it, my auto immune system spat the dummy eventually. Took a few days to get really sick, treatment at Whitecross and GPs did not cut it. I almost died, a couple of times. I know more about ACC than most as a result. I did not realise you were so offensive.

[doc]

Why can't riders with safe riding history be given some kind of rebate for their exemplary safe record?

I mean they (ACC) already do that in industry, safe industrial sites pay less ACC!

Probably cost too much to administer and check but hey we are asking for suggestions on how to get our costs down.

Instead of attacking the unsafe (which is probably unsafe anyway) let the safe get recognised for being safe. :blink:

What we need is some balance from ACC! :yes:

Edit: Then again they could return to the principals of the Woodhouse report and do it properly but they won't do that!:facepalm:

They would probably like that idea, but would add "incorrect safety equipment" to the offence notice. Adding to the cost of the fine.

[Coldrider]

Geeze, that is a bit off.

normally couldn't bothered with him, but what did he expect?, he can slacken his head bandage now and be happy.

[jonbuoy]

Where are you going to draw the line? Normal jeans will explode if you come off a 100KPH on tarseal. Surely even your wee brain can see the key to not being injured is to ride well in the first place.

[Mom]

normally couldn't bothered with him, but what did he expect?, he can slacken his head bandage now and be happy.

Hope you never meet a maverick sheep on your travels...

I live, and mostly ride rurally. I am very aware of stock and keep my eyes open. Sheep invlove crawling past at walking speed, so you can avoid them if they change their mind about what they are doing. All well and good if you actually see them in the first place.

I have 2 friends that have been injured as a result of wandering stock, one a professionally trained rider.

Sheep are unpredictable, as are goats. Horses out at night are easily spooked into uncharacteristic behaviour. Cows have the potentail to kill you :yes:

If you dont know they are there, it is fairly hard to prepare yourself when they appear in front of you in the dark, or even in daylight for that matter. Speed is not necessarliy a factor either. Hitting a solid animal at 50 km/ph is going to mean a large off, no matter your skills. Farmers have a legal responsibility to keep their stock safely fenced in, so they dont wander onto the road. We really should not HAVE to look out for wandering stock, but we do...

[cold comfort]

[QUOTE=DrMotard;1129991093]What is it with all those brain dead riders who kit up in T shirt, shorts and jandals when they ride - that's got to be a big contibutor to the medical and ACC vosts when they finally bite the tarseal (and they will)? I have taken to hunting them down and thanking them for being a @#%$wit and costing me heaps.

Sadly such a simplistic viewpoint is likely not supported by hard data. Anecdotally i see no evidence whatsoever to support this in my daily practice in an Emergency Dept. Plenty of ATGATT bikers however with limited skills or judgment (as well as just bad luck). A surprising LACK of scooter riders in fact

[schrodingers cat]

A surprising LACK of scooter riders in fact

To be fair the lack of speed is prolly what saves them.

As for safety gear - I just wonder how old matey 'fuck you - freedom of the road etc' feels about safey boots in industry. Or particle masks. Or safety glasses. Or seatbelts. Or lables on hazarous goods. Or traffic lights. Or using his brain even

[Coldrider]

Hope you never meet a maverick sheep on your travels...

I live, and mostly ride rurally. I am very aware of stock and keep my eyes open. Sheep invlove crawling past at walking speed, so you can avoid them if they change their mind about what they are doing. All well and good if you actually see them in the first place.

I have 2 friends that have been injured as a result of wandering stock, one a professionally trained rider.

Sheep are unpredictable, as are goats. Horses out at night are easily spooked into uncharacteristic behaviour. Cows have the potentail to kill you :yes:

If you dont know they are there, it is fairly hard to prepare yourself when they appear in front of you in the dark, or even in daylight for that matter. Speed is not necessarliy a factor either. Hitting a solid animal at 50 km/ph is going to mean a large off, no matter your skills. Farmers have a legal responsibility to keep their stock safely fenced in, so they dont wander onto the road. We really should not HAVE to look out for wandering stock, but we do...So it is OK to hit uncontrolled stock on the road, not your fault, accident didn't happen, not hurt, didn't see them, much like other motorists, pedestrians, anything else one the road, hit them too, not your fault so it's OK.
I thinkyou are getting off the crux of the arguement a bit.
I'm a dummy because I have not had multiple claims from motorcycle accidents, so I am not fully aware of the ins and outs of the ACC system. A DUMMY MY ARSE!!!!

[steve_t]

Well as I have not ridden recklessly and been outsmarted by a sheep and have had multiple head injuries through not being able to handle a motorcycle I would not know the ins and outs of ACC like you.

WTF?? Really?? :blink:

[Coldrider]

WTF?? Really?? :blink:Should I have by now?

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

So it is OK to hit uncontrolled stock on the road, not your fault, accident didn't happen, not hurt, didn't see them, much like other motorists, pedestrians, anything else one the road, hit them too, not your fault so it's OK.
I thinkyou are getting off the crux of the arguement a bit.
I'm a dummy because I have not had multiple claims from motorcycle accidents, so I am not fully aware of the ins and outs of the ACC system. A DUMMY MY ARSE!!!!

Nah you are not a dummy, but you are an arse because you took easy offence to something Jame Deuce said and then insinuated that his accident was caused due to rider error, rather than loose livestock. Bit harsh IMO.

[Coldrider]

Nah you are not a dummy, but you are an arse because you took easy offence to something Jame Deuce said and then insinuated that his accident was caused due to rider error, rather than loose livestock. Bit harsh IMO.Well JD will have to pick his pieces more carefully next time.

[Taz]

:violin::violin::violin:

[Mom]

I'm a dummy because I have not had multiple claims from motorcycle accidents, so I am not fully aware of the ins and outs of the ACC system. A DUMMY MY ARSE!!!!

Hey sweety, you need a chillax tablet.

I have NEVER made a motorcycle related claim on ACC either.

You dont actually need to be an claimant to know how the system works. I understand much, much, more than I need to know as a result of getting involved with issues surrounding the way the current ACC system is being manipulated by our current government. Get up to speed and stop dissing people for hitting wandering stock that should not be on the road in the first place!

[oldrider]

Fuck sure get sick of wankers bleating on about what they think other ppl should or should not do/ wear. Get the fuck over it and look after yourself

Normally I support individual freedom and personal choice but when it comes to ACC now ((like it or not) those freedoms and personal choices that are obviously high risk and dangerous are costing the rest of us a lot of money!

In other words while I applaud your right to choose, I prefer you keep your hand out of my wallet when you do so and get it wrong!

As they do in industry, perhaps ACC should charge people according to their demonstrated decision making skills and accident history!

Rebates for a proven record. (I.E.consequence)

[Mom]

Normally I support individual freedom and personal choice but when it comes to ACC now ((like it or not) those freedoms and personal choices that are obviously high risk and dangerous are costing the rest of us a lot of money!

In other words while I applaud your right to choose, I prefer you keep your hand out of my wallet when you do so and get it wrong!

As they do in industry, perhaps ACC should charge people according to their demonstrated decision making skills and accident history!

Rebates for a proven record. (I.E.consequence)

Here, here! We also need to protect ourselves around age (age both ways) and experience :yes:

[Drew]

Fuckwits like these p'haps
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/134843-Hamilton-Scooter-ShuntYa better get the band wagon fired up for cyclists too then, they can travel just as fast as scooters and are less visible, shockingly I have never seen anyone having a waa about the protective capacity of lycra.


Those who ride with minimal gear on are probably the same people who do all sorts of dumb risky shit but work on the 9 times out of 10 I"ll-be-right principle. I once told Placid Femme to eat shit and die after making this same dumb arse statement, you and her can start a club.


One could argue that those riding around in shorts and T shirt are likely to be More careful in their riding, as they feel more vulnerable than those riding round in ‘Protect me from anything’ standard cotton jeans and long sleeved wind breaker. Most alert we get is operating in heightened risk situations.


Well as I have not ridden recklessly and been outsmarted by a sheep and have had multiple head injuries through not being able to handle a motorcycle I would not know the ins and outs of ACC like you. Jim can't handle a motorcycle you say? Ya fuckin retard, i've seen him ride and it's pretty bloody impressive! Most people round here wouldn't see which way he went, and he does it all on his own side of the road without speeding.


normally couldn't bothered with him, but what did he expect?, he can slacken his head bandage now and be happy.

What a fuckin cock you are! You wanna pick on someone with a head injury, Shaun Harris is the one who spouts off without thought! Jim makes point of not rising to your kinda shit, so I'll do it instead. Next time there's a few Kiwihomo's/bikers around, find one who can point me out and come introduce yourself, I'll beat seven shades of shit out of you.


Sadly such a simplistic viewpoint is likely not supported by hard data. Anecdotally i see no evidence whatsoever to support this in my daily practice in an Emergency Dept. Plenty of ATGATT bikers however with limited skills or judgment (as well as just bad luck). A surprising LACK of scooter riders in fact


To be fair the lack of speed is prolly what saves them. Dunno what they're like in Aukland, but scooter riders tend to be pretty careful down here from what I've seen. Add that to push bike speeds and it seem pretty safe.


As for safety gear - I just wonder how old matey 'fuck you - freedom of the road etc' feels about safey boots in industry. Or particle masks. Or safety glasses. Or seatbelts. Or lables on hazarous goods. Or traffic lights. Or using his brain even

I've been a commercial builder for ten years, my business partner for thirty, and neither he nor I can come up with a single time safety boots saved us a foot injury.

Safety glasses are now being taken too far, and on some sites must be worn at all times. Not required in anyone actually doing the jobs opinion, when they can hang around your neck till required.

The other items on your list are required whenever they can prevent injury, but do you sit in a parked car for a bite to eat with your belt on in a car park? It is very possible you will be crashed into, yet the risk is so much lower you don't think about it.

As for using ones head, I fully agree. And if someone has weighed the risks for themselves, and made a decision, who the fuck are we to question it?

[avgas]

helmets should not be compulsory.

We need a quicker way to kill the fuckers off.

[PrincessBandit]

Normal jeans will explode if you come off a 100KPH on tarseal.
Holy crap! now at least I know it was my jeans exploding, not an almighty fart i let rip when it happened to me. They did rip open down one seam but amazingly I had no injuries to my leg. (Happened on the motorway and yes I was doing 100kph when I lost it on the bike).



I once told Placid Femme to eat shit and die after making this same dumb arse statement, you and her can start a club.


Wank wank wank. Geez you're a wanker. You have your opinion obviously, and I'm entitled to mine. Buy hey, thanks for not telling me directly to eat shit and die. Very thoughtful of you.

[avgas]

I've been a commercial builder for ten years, my business partner for thirty, and neither he nor I can come up with a single time safety boots saved us a foot injury.

Safety glasses are now being taken too far, and on some sites must be worn at all times. Not required in anyone actually doing the jobs opinion, when they can hang around your neck till required.


As for using ones head, I fully agree. And if someone has weighed the risks for themselves, and made a decision, who the fuck are we to question it?
Yeh and Nah

Things that boots have save me with:
- falling knives
- accidentally kicking large, sharp, immovable objects
- Crane driver accidentally lowering skip on my foot (in mud) while I guided him in.
- Things hitting my foot that would quite easily break a toe

Safety glasses (not so much - but still):
- Various different dust particles being 'jetted' at my eyes.
- Stones and crap getting thrown my way.
- Pressure releases (esp fuel based) going towards eyes.

So while they aren't perfect, they have their uses.

But I am all for the removal of regulations and liability of the user. Who knows in 50 years we could have all the morons dead, blind or slightly crippled?
Win win really in my eyes. Gets them off site. :violin:

[Hopeful Bastard]

@OP

Well I am truely sorry for wanting to go around the block on a stinking hot day to clear out the cobwebs seeing as the bike hasnt been ridden, Let alone started for 3 month with only my helmet on..

Silly, Yes.

But do I really want to gear up for a trip the lasts all of 1 minute?? No.. Not really

Now, If i was to do a longer trip and spend all day on the bike, Then yes.. i would gear up.

So if you came up to me and complained about my lack of gear, I would take you back to my place, Show you my gear and tell you to STFU as it was, afterall, only a Minutes ride.. If that!!
Or, I might even turn around and smack ya one.. Especially if you really start to go off at me!

[Brian d marge]

ok
so your brain cells are reacting quicker than I can type

so now will you realize u are being screwed

i know u feel like shit ,
now your fundamentals have gone pear shaped

can u now see the platform some have been expounding from???


Stephen

[oldrider]

Now they (ACC and theGov't) have got us fighting among ourselves!

Talk about divide and conquer!

Would it not be more profitable to modify our behaviour and unite our thoughts and efforts toward minimising the negative effects these bastards can impose upon us!

It's going to be difficult enough if we are united without all the BS that we seem to throw at each other!

Somewhere between the extreme attitudes, there is an "acceptable" mid point that we should identify and aim for, perhaps we should think about that instead of who is to blame! :yes:

[Usarka]

What is it with all those brain dead riders who kit up in T shirt, shorts and jandals when they ride - that's got to be a big contibutor to the medical and ACC vosts when they finally bite the tarseal (and they will)? I have taken to hunting them down and thanking them for being a @#%$wit and costing me heaps.

If the cops want to revenue hunt simply make it a $1,000 fine - the cops will meet budget within a week I reckon

Yet another new member immediately spouting the ATGATT line.

So who the fuck do you work for?

[NighthawkNZ]

What is it with all those brain dead riders who kit up in T shirt, shorts and jandals when they ride - that's got to be a big contibutor to the medical and ACC vosts when they finally bite the tarseal (and they will)? I have taken to hunting them down and thanking them for being a @#%$wit and costing me heaps.

If the cops want to revenue hunt simply make it a $1,000 fine - the cops will meet budget within a week I reckon

They don't cost any extra if they don't fall off...? the ones are that are costing us are the ones that keep having accidents whether they have gear on or not...


Now they (ACC and theGov't) have got us fighting among ourselves!

Talk about divide and conquer!

Would it not be more profitable to modify our behaviour and unite our thoughts and efforts toward minimising the negative effects these bastards can impose upon us!

It's going to be difficult enough if we are united without all the BS that we seem to throw at each other!

Somewhere between the extreme attitudes, there is an "acceptable" mid point that we should identify and aim for, perhaps we should think about that instead of who is to blame! :yes:

thats what they do divide and then concquer... they (gooberments) have been doing that for years it is a standard tactic... and the gulible sheeple keep falling for it...

[Drew]

Wank wank wank. Geez you're a wanker. You have your opinion obviously, and I'm entitled to mine. Buy hey, thanks for not telling me directly to eat shit and die. Very thoughtful of you.

But what is your opinion based on? To label those of us who will go to the shop without the full kit, as the sort who do other stupid shit to endanger ourselves is beyond my feeble comprehension.

I see shit loads more people who are wearing the gear doing dumb stuff, so percentage wise those of us without the gear are safer.

[Brian d marge]

Where are you going to draw the line? Normal jeans will explode if you come off a 100KPH on tarseal.

mine didn't at 105 mph

took the back pocket off with no road rash ...

These were made in NZ for NZ conditions ( black I might add)

Stephen

[Farab]

I have taken to hunting them down and thanking them for being a @#%$wit and costing me heaps.Report back when you have stopped an OMC member, like the Hells Angels, for instance, to let us know how that conversation went.

Its all about weighing up the risks. I am usually geared up pretty good, back and chest protector included (can you say the same?), but when I take a 5 minute relaxed pootle on a hot day down to my local beach for a dip, I don't particularly bother to don my leathers, as I don't really exceed speeds that I can (and in fact do) reach on my pushbike on the same route (and then only dressed in lycra cycle gear).

[p.dath]

What is it with all those brain dead riders who kit up in T shirt, shorts and jandals when they ride - that's got to be a big contibutor to the medical and ACC vosts when they finally bite the tarseal (and they will)? I have taken to hunting them down and thanking them for being a @#%$wit and costing me heaps.

That's a very dangerous slope. What if we decide that the appropriate gear is something that surrounds us in a full metal cage and has an extra 2 wheels for stability?

I am an ATGATT person, but that is because I'm pain intolerant. I just don't like pain.
And I also encourage others to also wear "appropriate" gear. But it is not my place to tell others how to live their lives. Everyone has the right (at least in this country) to make decisions involving their own safety, and to choose the level of risk that they consider acceptable.

Think of it this way. You wouldn't like it if a claustrophobic person told you that you couldn't use a lift any more because they were too dangerous. You wouldn't like if it a car driver told you that you couldn't ride your motorcycle any more because it is too dangerous.
Do you see where I am coming from?

[Grubber]

Hope you never meet a maverick sheep on your travels...

I live, and mostly ride rurally. I am very aware of stock and keep my eyes open. Sheep invlove crawling past at walking speed, so you can avoid them if they change their mind about what they are doing. All well and good if you actually see them in the first place.

I have 2 friends that have been injured as a result of wandering stock, one a professionally trained rider.

Sheep are unpredictable, as are goats. Horses out at night are easily spooked into uncharacteristic behaviour. Cows have the potentail to kill you :yes:

If you dont know they are there, it is fairly hard to prepare yourself when they appear in front of you in the dark, or even in daylight for that matter. Speed is not necessarliy a factor either. Hitting a solid animal at 50 km/ph is going to mean a large off, no matter your skills. Farmers have a legal responsibility to keep their stock safely fenced in, so they dont wander onto the road. We really should not HAVE to look out for wandering stock, but we do...

Couldn't agree more with this. I'm the same, born and bread in rural NZ. Hit a cow at night around 80kph and for the record.....it fuckin hurt. Anyway, ya cant legislate against that sort of thing for sure. Walked straight out from a little dark spot under some trees....i stood no chance and he was solid.:sick:

[Katman]

Jim can't handle a motorcycle you say? Ya fuckin retard, i've seen him ride and it's pretty bloody impressive! Most people round here wouldn't see which way he went, and he does it all on his own side of the road without speeding.


Once again Drew, you make the mistake of equating good riding with getting from A to B in the shortest possible time.

I live for the day that we start to recognise the idea that good riding equates to not having accidents.

[NighthawkNZ]

Couldn't agree more with this. I'm the same, born and bread in rural NZ. Hit a cow at night around 80kph and for the record.....it fuckin hurt. Anyway, ya cant legislate against that sort of thing for sure. Walked straight out from a little dark spot under some trees....i stood no chance and he was solid.:sick:

So it was a bull then... ;)


However totally agree with what you are saying... wandering stock are annoying and unpredicatabull (sorry I could resist... well I could I just didn't want to lol)

[Grubber]

So it was a bull then... ;)


However totally agree with what you are saying... wandering stock are annoying and unpredicatabull (sorry I could resist... well I could I just didn't want to lol)

Should have known someone would....
Definately a cow....damn thing just walked off into the night without even a limp. Bastard!:shit:

[Whynot]

Should we make gear compulsory? Will someone then have to certify what gear meets NZ standards? Who makes these standards and who inspects gears to see if they meet the standards? Who pays the people that maintain the system?

Should we have another ATGATT thread? What if they aren't wearing ATGATT but know the secret KB wave? :innocent:

what he said ^

[DMNTD]

... needs educating but I don't think his freedom to do so should be legislated away

This I do agree with

[Drew]

Once again Drew, you make the mistake of equating good riding with getting from A to B in the shortest possible time.

I live for the day that we start to recognise the idea that good riding equates to not having accidents.
Read what I bloody quoted man. He said that Jim couldn't HANDLE a motorcycle. I am pointing out that he can, and better than most.

His attitude toward safety never came up, so piss off.

[Hoon]

I ride in shorts and T-shirt regularly. Of course not all the time but if I'm just going up to the shops, gym, mates place or blowing out the cobwebs then yep. I'd even wear jandals if it weren't for the fact that changing gears with my toes kinda hurts.

If I'm going on the motorway then minimum of trousers and leather jacket (gloves optional).

However if I'm going for a blat down SH22 or out of town then its full on race leathers, boots, armoured gloves and back protector.

This is all completely legal. If anyone has a problem with this then you really need to be taking it up with your MP, not acosting law abiding citizens over delusions of some imaginary monetary loss you believe they're about to cause you.

[NighthawkNZ]

Should have known someone would....
Definately a cow....damn thing just walked off into the night without even a limp. Bastard!:shit:


been there done that... not nice... I decided I am not going to do that again... ;-)

[Usarka]

This is all completely legal. If anyone has a problem with this then you really need to be taking it up with your MP, not acosting law abiding citizens over delusions of some imaginary monetary loss you believe they're about to cause you.

Lol! They're probably the same people who complain about the mormons or JW's knocking on their door and trying to preach to them.

[Fatt Max]

I wont ride in shorts and a T shirt because, well, because I is fat.....

[baptist]

I wont ride in shorts and a T shirt because, well, because I is fat.....

Phew glad to hear it:innocent: would put me off me grub...

IMHO as long as we argue about what is safe and what is right we are never going to get anywhere, as has been posted already divide and conquer. I wonder if Dick Stiff gets this stuff sent to him when he is feeling a bit low, must give him a laugh and perk him up no end.:facepalm:

My personal opinion is I wear ATGATT, I have seen gravel rash and its long term effects, not nice and I am too chicken to risk it, others have different opinions, I look at guys riding in shrts etc. on hot days and think two things - 1) daft buggers a spill is gonna really hurt, and 2) lucky buggers, bet you ain't as hot and sweaty as me!

[Brian d marge]

As a dr in London , used to spend most of the summer fanging around on a Cx , in jeans and tee shirt .... oh and we fell off

The problem is ? nope cant see one ... oh wait yes I can ....Acc is costing a packet and we have ordered a bucket of soured grapes

wear a tee shirt , fall off it hurts... thats it ...period ..

Nick smith put your Acc up , not me

I heard Nick is a better listener

Stephen

[Ratti]

helmets should not be compulsory.

We need a quicker way to kill the fuckers off.

well, that is one aproach





I live for the day that we start to recognise the idea that good riding equates to not having accidents.

Not gonna happen for as long as supertestosterone lads are allowed to ride. comes with old age I think