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SMOKEU
20th February 2011, 17:40
Have any of you noticed much of a difference between Windows 7 home basic and ultimate X64?

Gubb
20th February 2011, 17:56
Only thing i've used from 64bit Ultimate is some of the encryption stuff, and XP compatibility mode has come in handy a couple of times.

Gremlin
21st February 2011, 00:27
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions

I just use ultimate... no restrictions... clients get pro, they need it.

p.dath
21st February 2011, 06:50
Have any of you noticed much of a difference between Windows 7 home basic and ultimate X64?

Are you asking about weather to go with 32 bit or 64 bit?

I use 64 bit at work, and 32 bit at home. The reason I use 32 bit at home is because my kids like to play games, and 32 bit Windows has far better compatibility.

I use 64 bit at Windows at work because all our machines have 4GB of memory, and 32 bit Windows (including 7) only allow applications to access 3GB of it. When we tried the 32 bit edition, Windows 7 allocated 1GB of RAM to the shared Video adaptor! We also mostly use 64 bit applications (like Office 2010) at work.

Scuba_Steve
21st February 2011, 07:02
Have any of you noticed much of a difference between Windows 7 home basic and ultimate X64?

Yea the price.

SMOKEU
21st February 2011, 07:47
Are you asking about weather to go with 32 bit or 64 bit?

I use 64 bit at work, and 32 bit at home. The reason I use 32 bit at home is because my kids like to play games, and 32 bit Windows has far better compatibility.

I use 64 bit at Windows at work because all our machines have 4GB of memory, and 32 bit Windows (including 7) only allow applications to access 3GB of it. When we tried the 32 bit edition, Windows 7 allocated 1GB of RAM to the shared Video adaptor! We also mostly use 64 bit applications (like Office 2010) at work.

I'm definitely not going to use the X86 version, I'm sticking with X64.

Gremlin
21st February 2011, 10:40
I use 64 bit at work, and 32 bit at home. The reason I use 32 bit at home is because my kids like to play games, and 32 bit Windows has far better compatibility.
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We also mostly use 64 bit applications (like Office 2010) at work.
Depends on the games your kids play I guess, but I haven't had any issues with the likes of Superbike X, CoD Black Ops, Battlefield Bad Company, NFS Hot Pursuit etc running on x64. I use 4 Win7 machines, work laptop is x86, rest are x64, no issues across the lot of them.

Watch out for Office 2010 x64, I've heard it isn't particularly stable (also MS first release of Office in x64), but I'm using it on one machine without issues so far.

Buyasta
21st February 2011, 11:21
Are you asking about weather to go with 32 bit or 64 bit?

I use 64 bit at work, and 32 bit at home. The reason I use 32 bit at home is because my kids like to play games, and 32 bit Windows has far better compatibility.

I use 64 bit at Windows at work because all our machines have 4GB of memory, and 32 bit Windows (including 7) only allow applications to access 3GB of it. When we tried the 32 bit edition, Windows 7 allocated 1GB of RAM to the shared Video adaptor! We also mostly use 64 bit applications (like Office 2010) at work.
I've used exclusively 64-bit Windows on my windows box since the first RC of XP x64 (the one for x86-64, not Itanium), and I can count on one hand the number of games that have had issues with a 64bit version of windows compared to 32bit - back then driver support was the big issue, and a massive nightmare, and it never got much better for XP x64, but since Vista/Server 2k8, there hasn't been any real reason to use x86 over x64.

avgas
21st February 2011, 12:14
I use 64 bit at Windows at work because all our machines have 4GB of memory, and 32 bit Windows (including 7) only allow applications to access 3GB of it. When we tried the 32 bit edition, Windows 7 allocated 1GB of RAM to the shared Video adaptor! We also mostly use 64 bit applications (like Office 2010) at work.
I had a Vista 32 laptop running 4gb on it.
and currently have a 7 desktop/hack/customers machine at work with no updates/patches and bad install still running 3.5gb.
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While I preferred running it on 64 - None of the scada or telemetry programs worked.

I have had interesting time playing with the official VM.XP lately. Quite cool. (for those of you who desperately need XP but have to buy a 7 box)

imdying
21st February 2011, 13:28
but since Vista/Server 2k8, there hasn't been any real reason to use x86 over x64.Agreed, works as it should.

SMOKEU
21st February 2011, 16:10
I don't know why anyone bothers making x86 OSs anymore. Even my vintage Athlon 64 supports x64 OSs. That's going back to the old AM2 days!

p.dath
22nd February 2011, 07:14
Watch out for Office 2010 x64, I've heard it isn't particularly stable (also MS first release of Office in x64), but I'm using it on one machine without issues so far.

Been using Office 2010 x64 since it came out, and I have not had any issues with it.


I have had interesting time playing with the official VM.XP lately. Quite cool. (for those of you who desperately need XP but have to buy a 7 box)

I used "Windows XP mode" for quite a while, but finally switched over to VMWare workstation a couple of weeks ago. I just seem to have less issues with VMWare workstation.

imdying
22nd February 2011, 08:47
I don't know why anyone bothers making x86 OSs anymore. Even my vintage Athlon 64 supports x64 OSs. That's going back to the old AM2 days!64bit Windows is x86.

They keep making it because of things like the P4, which outsold the A64 by a huge margin.

SMOKEU
22nd February 2011, 09:36
64bit Windows is x86.

They keep making it because of things like the P4, which outsold the A64 by a huge margin.

From what I've read 64 bit is x64 and 32 bit is x86.

http://www.overclock.net/windows/575761-difference-between-windows-7-x86-x64.html

avgas
22nd February 2011, 09:44
I don't know why anyone bothers making x86 OSs anymore. Even my vintage Athlon 64 supports x64 OSs. That's going back to the old AM2 days!
The reason is pretty simple. Up until recently Intel did not really sell much in terms of 64 bit.
Core2duo etc were all 32bit.
Also Intel pretty much own the giants share of the market. So get to dictate a pretty large chuck.
This is why many Linux users also used AMD's.

But the whole thing has changed over the last 5 years or so. A classic example of this is a little company called FOXCONN who made reliable desktop chassis have pretty much grown 10 fold and dropped desktops all together......

But until we get rid of all the P4, Core2, QuadCore......CPU's - expect x86 software for a long time to come.

Now on to ivp6 and why it didn't happen way back in 1997......

Scuba_Steve
22nd February 2011, 10:01
The reason is pretty simple. Up until recently Intel did not really sell much in terms of 64 bit.
Core2duo etc were all 32bit.
Also Intel pretty much own the giants share of the market. So get to dictate a pretty large chuck.
This is why many Linux users also used AMD's.

But the whole thing has changed over the last 5 years or so. A classic example of this is a little company called FOXCONN who made reliable desktop chassis have pretty much grown 10 fold and dropped desktops all together......

But until we get rid of all the P4, Core2, QuadCore......CPU's - expect x86 software for a long time to come.

Now on to ivp6 and why it didn't happen way back in 1997......

umm the core2duo is 64bit :yes:

imdying
22nd February 2011, 10:14
From what I've read 64 bit is x64 and 32 bit is x86.

http://www.overclock.net/windows/575761-difference-between-windows-7-x86-x64.htmlI read three wrong posts in that thread and stopped.

Do you know what an 'x86' is?

What was your first computer? Do you need a history lesson?

SMOKEU
22nd February 2011, 10:18
I read three wrong posts in that thread and stopped.

Do you know what an 'x86' is?

What was your first computer? Do you need a history lesson?

A family of instruction set architectures based on the Intel 8086 CPU.

My first computer was (don't laugh) a Pentium 200.

A history lesson sounds good.

imdying
22nd February 2011, 10:49
A family of instruction set architectures based on the Intel 8086 CPU.

My first computer was (don't laugh) a Pentium 200.

A history lesson sounds good.So the instructions set in the 64 bit CPU, backwards compatible with a 32 bit or 16 bit system?

p.dath
22nd February 2011, 10:51
My first computer was (don't laugh) a Pentium 200.


Mine was a Sinclair ZX81 - which I still have.

SMOKEU
22nd February 2011, 10:52
So the instructions set in the 64 bit CPU, backwards compatible with a 32 bit or 16 bit system?

I know that a 64 bit OS can't be installed on a 32 bit CPU system. However, I think that some 64 bit apps can work on 32 bit hardware with reduced functionality. I don't know much about this kind of stuff.

scracha
23rd March 2011, 07:43
I know that a 64 bit OS can't be installed on a 32 bit CPU system. However, I think that some 64 bit apps can work on 32 bit hardware with reduced functionality. I don't know much about this kind of stuff.


Some of it is to do with word length sonny jim. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_(computing)

Back in the day, when these pesky modern fangled 16 bit processors arrived, lazy programmers like me had to modify half their code, as during bit shifting operations you assumed things like integers being 8 bits. Over time, programmers should have got less lazy and used the stricter standard types. Unfortunately lots of apps are still written in a similar fashion, just that now they assume integers being 32 bits.

Atari 800 FTW

avgas
23rd March 2011, 09:09
umm the core2duo is 64bit :yes:
Not all versions.......infact only 45nm versions were 86-64 (which in some eyes is not considered not true 64bit as it was manipulated 32 (long-to-int etc)

You will prob find only a small % of the core2duo sold in NZ could act 64bit

avgas
23rd March 2011, 09:11
Do you know what an 'x86' is?
The year intel made their first buck in processors heh

SMOKEU
23rd March 2011, 09:12
Not all versions.......infact only 45nm versions were 86-64 (which in some eyes is not considered not true 64bit as it was manipulated 32 (long-to-int etc)

You will prob find only a small % of the core2duo sold in NZ could act 64bit

As long as they can "see" more than 3GB of RAM it's all good.

Pascal
23rd March 2011, 09:20
From what I've read 64 bit is x64 and 32 bit is x86.

The x86 refers to 8086, the processor and instruction set. Went all the way through to the 80286 and was later replaced by x86-32 for the 80386, 80486 and so forth. They currently refer to x86-32 (Intel CE, some Atom processors) and x86-64 (Other Atom, Pentium, Core I3,I5,I7, etc.)

You're either running a 64bit or a 32bit operating system on a x86-(bit) processor.

I currently run Windows 2008 R2, mainly for SQL Server and Hyper-V. I don't have any problems with the games I run. I do run a Windows 7 VM though for when I need to dev work against it.

And first computer? Was a Commodore VIC 20. Unless you count that funny little Sharp calculator that came in a briefcase with a 4 pen colour printer :blink:

p.dath
23rd March 2011, 09:41
And first computer? Was a Commodore VIC 20. Unless you count that funny little Sharp calculator that came in a briefcase with a 4 pen colour printer :blink:

Mine was a Sinclair ZX81, which I still have ...