Name suppression - how can I get around this and out an offender legally?

[Number One]

Name suppression....

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1985/0120/latest/DLM78863.html?search=sw_096be8ed80619106_section+1 39&p=1&sr=4

Who does this really protect?

Wouldn't a little bit of fucking honesty and public justice help sort some of the sick mother fuckers out there out.

:facepalm:

[Deano]

Get someone from overseas not bound by our laws to post it ?

[steve_t]

Sometimes name suppression is given to protect the victims as they would be readily identified if the offender's name was publicised.
You could always hit up the WhaleOil guy

[Madness]

In 1972 a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...

http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/wp-content/themes/WOBH/custom/rotator/images7.jpg
Whaleoil.

[nosebleed]

...

Awesome. Duly blung.

[tigertim20]

Name suppression....

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1985/0120/latest/DLM78863.html?search=sw_096be8ed80619106_section+1 39&p=1&sr=4

Who does this really protect?

Wouldn't a little bit of fucking honesty and public justice help sort some of the sick mother fuckers out there out.

:facepalm:

wait untill the whole case is over. the accused may yet be found innocent. As another person said, sometimes the suppression is to protect the identity of the victims more than the accused.
Alternaively, start a second account for an online forum at an internet cafe in town, and post up everything you want, everywhere you want, then never use the accound again. takes two seconds to make a hotmail account, thats all you need to confirm an account for most forums.

[Number One]

http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/2011/02/22/useless/

[White trash]

Guys, the suppression is there for a reason, and I understand N/1's reason for challenging it.

The only problem I can see is that while the victim may be OK with suppression being breached now, what's to say that later in life it could cause embarassment or issues if it comes up again? Reliving some horrible situations in 5, 10 even 20 years time may not be ideal.

Just a thought.

[Number One]

Yeah it's ok I've had my vent and my nasty little daydreams about bringing holy war - I will just put my faith in the process and nail the Victim impact statement and hope justice and sanity prevail.

Fuck it's hard though - I want to kick in a head nail his nuts to the wooden floor in the kitchen and set the house alight.

[riffer]

Justice is a process. And it has nothing to do with right or wrong.

In the eyes of the law, the person who shall remain nameless has offended against the Crown, and so the Crown will have their little game.

It never has been, and it never will be, about the victim. If you expect "justice" forget it. It will NEVER happen.

If it's any consolation, a similar thing happened to my ex-wife. Her father tracked down the perpetrator, and commit a grievous act of violence against him.

He still says every day of the nine month sentence he received for the "crime" was worth it.

The perpetrator still walks with a limp 29 years later.

You work it out.

[Number One]

Thanks Riffer you are suggesting I get my crowbar! I like it :shutup:

[Usarka]

Hard to resist sometimes. I only managed to because it was her grandfather, 20 years prior and he was in a different country.

[riffer]

Name suppression sucks.

Perpretators pray on the weak by telling them that they have to keep things secret and it's all hushed up as a dirty little secret.

Then the justice system comes along and does exactly the same thing.

If it were me, I'd wear the $1000 fine for breaching the suppression order.

They're hardly likely to send you to jail for three months and if they did there's 100 people here who'd scream blue bloody murder over it.

How about we get 200 of us to donate a fiver and you go ahead and publish?

[Number One]

I think the fine has been dropped and now you just get jail time for contempt of court. not really going to be helpful for me at the moment. Perhaps we could start a fund for someone else who feels like doing time could do it...

BTW - I agree with all you said Riffer. The law does just hush it all up so it's even more of a dirty little secret.

The victim has the hard ride the bloody offender hasn't even had to tell people about it at all. How dare he be able to chill out in blissful denial over christmas while we did and still do suffer.

SCUM

[riffer]

I take it you are referring to the following piece of the Criminal Procedure (Reform and Modernisation) Bill 243-1 (2010):
Offences and penalty



(1) Every person commits an offence who publishes any name, identifying information, or other information in breach of a suppression order or in breach of any of sections 205, 207, and 208.

(2) A person who commits an offence against subsection (1) is liable on conviction—


(a) in the case of an individual, to a term of imprisonment not exceeding 6 months:



(b) in the case of a body corporate, to a fine not exceeding $100,000.




AFAIK, this bill has not yet been enacted.

Therefore the existing legislation still applies and a fine not exceeding $1000 OR a three month jail term is the penalty. And, as I said before, there isn't a judge in this court who would send you to jail if you told the whole truth.

[Hitcher]

New Zealand's "justice system" is a bit archaic at times. Our notions about name suppression being one example. Many other countries, such as the USA, do not apply suppression to the ludicrous extent that happens here at times. The public there generally knows why somebody is standing trial and whether they are found guilty or innocent.

There are several ways suppression orders can be breached, none of them being legal, including somebody who lives overseas posting on a New Zealand web site.

There are many forms revenge can take, naming and shaming being but one, some of which are legal. Personally I am a huge fan of kharma.

[Number One]

There are many forms revenge can take, naming and shaming being but one, some of which are legal. Personally I am a huge fan of kharma.

Normally I would concur however in this intance Kharma = tooooo slow.

We hurt now - HE SHOULD TOO

[Mom]

My lay man knowledge of this mine field is as follows.

Trust me, I had to really lay on some self control a few years ago, when I knew the identity of an offender, and wanted nothing better than to name and shame him. The penalty for doing so was no deterrent to me personally, I was happy to do time in order to see this animal named. It was explained to me the effect my angry, selfish action could potentially have on his victims. PM me if you want details.

Naming and shaming someone that has name suppression in order to protect their victims should NEVER be named. I know it seems like a cop out at the time, but their cards are marked and life as they knew it is over.

What it does is protect the victims of the crime/s the *insert here any appropriate term to describe them* have committed. Years down the track these people would frankly like to forget about what happened, not have it randomly brought up again if someone "discovers" a name on google relating to a search they have made.

[Number One]

What it does is protect the victims of the crime/s the *insert here any appropriate term to describe them* have committed. Years down the track these people would frankly like to forget about what happened, not have it randomly brought up again if someone "discovers" a name on google relating to a search they have made.

Yeah indeed - good point and one worth remembering.

Refer post 9 though was just an idea I flirted with today...quite seriously flirtation but I definitely didn't get to second base.

[Mom]

Yeah indeed - good point and one worth remembering.

Refer post 9 though was just an idea I flirted with today...quite seriously flirtation but I definitely didn't get to second base.

Re-ven-gay is a dish best served cold :yes:

[Mental Trousers]

If it were me, I'd wear the $1000 fine for breaching the suppression order.

They're hardly likely to send you to jail for three months and if they did there's 100 people here who'd scream blue bloody murder over it.

How about we get 200 of us to donate a fiver and you go ahead and publish?

I'm in for a $20.00

Silence and burying things doesn't fix Jack Shit.

[Deano]

There are several ways suppression orders can be breached, none of them being legal, including somebody who lives overseas posting on a New Zealand web site.
.

How about an overseas website or still a no no ?

[Usarka]

What it does is protect the victims of the crime/s the *insert here any appropriate term to describe them* have committed. Years down the track these people would frankly like to forget about what happened, not have it randomly brought up again if someone "discovers" a name on google relating to a search they have made.

+1 good point.



Re-ven-gay is a dish best served cold :yes:

And then reheated, re-served, rechilled, and re-served!

[Hitcher]

How about an overseas website or still a no no ?

That option would work, as long as the people posting to that site are not predominantly resident in New Zealand and therefore subject to the laws of that jurisdiction.

[Mental Trousers]

That option would work, as long as the people posting to that site are not predominantly resident in New Zealand and therefore subject to the laws of that jurisdiction.

... or you line up a couple of proxies so it's untraceable.

[Smifffy]

Therefore the existing legislation still applies and a fine not exceeding $1000 OR a three month jail term is the penalty. And, as I said before, there isn't a judge in this court who would send you to jail if you told the whole truth.

Non-violent offenders are automatically released after serving half of their sentence.

I can't see that you'd get the max, and you'd be out in half the time :innocent:

[Number One]

yeah....nah

[Smifffy]

yeah....nah

Good call!

[tomasmac]

Good call!

Hi tell me more in p/m and well see what happens in face book etc Regards and Respect tomas

[tigertim20]

Yeah it's ok I've had my vent and my nasty little daydreams about bringing holy war - I will just put my faith in the process and nail the Victim impact statement and hope justice and sanity prevail.

Fuck it's hard though - I want to kick in a head nail his nuts to the wooden floor in the kitchen and set the house alight.

If you feel that passionatley about the subject, have you considered the possibility that the energy could be better spent on making some kind of a positive contribution to organisations that provide assistance and support to victims of such things?
Surely if you are outraged that children may be victims, you should address what concerns you - the children, and do something good for them, rather than adding more rage violence crime into the mix, by responding to a peripheral issue?

[Smifffy]

If you feel that passionatley about the subject, have you considered the possibility that the energy could be better spent on making some kind of a positive contribution to organisations that provide assistance and support to victims of such things?
Surely if you are outraged that children may be victims, you should address what concerns you - the children, and do something good for them, rather than adding more rage violence crime into the mix, by responding to a peripheral issue?

Maybe put it down to visceral emotions?

:sunny:

[popelli]

is this person actually an offender or is he the accused

if they are only accused then shut the **** up, they are innocent until proven guilty

having been in a similar situation and having my name out in the media claiming I had done many things that I had not was not a pleasant sensation, especially when the person putting my name into the media hid behind a psuedonom

[jonbuoy]

is this person actually an offender or is he the accused

if they are only accused then shut the **** up, they are innocent until proven guilty

having been in a similar situation and having my name out in the media claiming I had done many things that I had not was not a pleasant sensation, especially when the person putting my name into the media hid behind a psuedonom

+1, there was a murder case in the UK recently - the victims landlord was questioned by the police - media splashed his name and details all over the 5 O´clock news - guilty by media. He was a bit weird looking and they made the most of it, if they hadn't found the real killer his life would have been ruined.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/landlord-questioned-over-joanna-yeates-murder-2172089.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1349921/Joanna-Yeatess-6ft-4ins-neighbour-Vincent-Tabak-charged-murder.html

[riffer]

is this person actually an offender or is he the accused


Perpetrator has pleaded guilty and is awaiting sentencing I understand.

[popelli]

Perpetrator has pleaded guilty and is awaiting sentencing I understand.

just hope that the justice system deals with them appropriately - chances are though that they won't

[Number One]

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is this person actually an offender or is he the accused

if they are only accused then shut the **** up, they are innocent until proven guilty



YOU shut the fuck up. Offender has pled guilty and is remanded on bail for sentencing.

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just hope that the justice system deals with them appropriately - chances are though that they won't

Not likely - my faith = NIL.

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[oneofsix]

This name suppression is shyte. The offender is awaiting sentence therefore he has had his chance to tell whom so ever he needs to. The judge needs their head read!

Number 1 I get an understanding of you anger but suspect now is a time for you to try to step back and change directions. I know that sounds trite but if you buy too far into the victim process this fucker will own you for life.

[Number One]

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[oneofsix]

Meanwhile the offender has said he has nothing to apologise to me for and that he's just bitter and resentful of me for handing him in.


Full support for you there! Well done, wished more had the guts to hand these people in.

[Scuba_Steve]

just hope that the justice system deals with them appropriately - chances are though that they won't

NZ (Like most countries) does not have a justice system. We need one but we don't have one :(

[Number One]

So I can challenge a name suppression legally. Any advice?

[White trash]

Exactly!



Trite is an understatement...seriously. I have been stepped back and going through the motions since November last year. Meanwhile the offender has said he has nothing to apologise to me for and that he's just bitter and resentful of me for handing him in.

BTW - This person already owned me for life...it's more complicated than you can imagine. Serious fucking nightmare.

I have the day off today...who know's what I might get up to

Burn his fucken house down love, then blame it on me. I'll have an aliby on standby.

[Number One]

Burn his fucken house down love, then blame it on me. I'll have an aliby on standby.

I do have experience burning down houses.... empty dilapidated ones but still....

Actually brings a smile to my face thinking about it at the least :shutup:

[MisterD]

So I can challenge a name suppression legally. Any advice?

It'd be easier to setup an anonymous Blogger account and tip off someone to link to it from Kiwiblog surely?

[oneofsix]

NZ (Like most countries) does not have a justice system. We need one but we don't hav e one :(

Now a nice idea for a justice system would be to sell his house and stuff and use the proceeds to help his victims.

[Number One]

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[Usarka]

Burn his fucken house down love, then blame it on me. I'll have an aliby on standby.

Rather than risk an arson sentence I'd probably go for something like spray painting his fence "pedo lives here". Warns the parents using the playground and gives them an opportunity to do the naming and shaming.

Any legal types know if this breaches name suppression laws?

[Number One]

Rather than risk an arson sentence I'd probably go for something like spray painting his fence "pedo lives here". Warns the parents using the playground and gives them an opportunity to do the naming and shaming.

Any legal types know if this breaches name suppression laws?

That had actually occured to me...but i thought a letter drop in neighbours mailboxes would avoid any need to 'vandalise or damage property'

[oneofsix]

Rather than risk an arson sentence I'd probably go for something like spray painting his fence "pedo lives here". Warns the parents using the playground and gives them an opportunity to do the naming and shaming.


+1 also a question. Does he own the place? If there is a landlord don't they become a victim if the place is burnt down.

[Number One]

The lead investigating officer has responded to me saying that he will need to seek advice on challenging the suppression and he'll get back to me.

I can just about guess what the response is going to be...

[oneofsix]

Yes - well really the banks will own it.

That's niice. Banks are only interested in money and between insurance and land value they will be happy. Seems NZ has recently developed a tradition of sanitizing murder houses with flame, perhaps an extension to this tradition is called for ... not that I would encourage illegal activity :innocent:
Fence painting is still a good option as it warns others and can be employed where ever he moves to.

[Banditbandit]

That option would work, as long as the people posting to that site are not predominantly resident in New Zealand and therefore subject to the laws of that jurisdiction.

That option will only work if you trust the overseas person enough NOT to tell where they got the info from. Even telling an overseas person the name breaks the supressionorder ... and the teller can be prosecuted.


New Zealand's "justice system" is a bit archaic at times. Our notions about name suppression being one example. Many other countries, such as the USA, do not apply suppression to the ludicrous extent that happens here at times. The public there generally knows why somebody is standing trial and whether they are found guilty or innocent.



Unfortunately, most people still think either guilty or "they got off" .. few people think "innocent" .. in this case he has admitted it tho' ...


+1, there was a murder case in the UK recently - the victims landlord was questioned by the police - media splashed his name and details all over the 5 O´clock news - guilty by media. He was a bit weird looking and they made the most of it, if they hadn't found the real killer his life would have been ruined.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/landlord-questioned-over-joanna-yeates-murder-2172089.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1349921/Joanna-Yeatess-6ft-4ins-neighbour-Vincent-Tabak-charged-murder.html

Exactly - why name supression can be important.



This name suppression is shyte. The offender is awaiting sentence therefore he has had his chance to tell whom so ever he needs to. The judge needs their head read!

Number 1 I get an understanding of you anger but suspect now is a time for you to try to step back and change directions. I know that sounds trite but if you buy too far into the victim process this fucker will own you for life.

The reasons for name supression given here are actullay fairly commonly used. And before you all hit the roof ... it's also very common for the name supression to be lifted at sentence. And name supression on lasts until the next court appearance. If it is not renewed at the next court hearing, it is automatically lifted. I think we will see his name pretty soon ..

[Number One]

I think we will see his name pretty soon ..

I really hope you are right!

[Paul in NZ]

Oh dear god... You could get seriously worried about our species if you fill in the blanks - some acts are truely truely wrong...

Look - I'm a little to the right of the Old Testament as far as this is concernd but thats no help is it? Is there anything we an do to help you? Do you need to get away for a few days?

[oneofsix]

The reasons for name supression given here are actullay fairly commonly used.
part of the problem is its common use. He has from the time the police first come calling to tell those that need to know. I can't imagine he went to court and pleaded guilty the day of his arrest. This happens so often that one doesn't believe that there will be special circumstances in this case that has require more than a day to tell people. If it only happened in exceptional circumstances then i might believe it. Number 1 gives me the impression there aren't any special circumstances and this is just an ... (no can't insult arse holes like that).



And before you all hit the roof ... it's also very common for the name supression to be lifted at sentence. And name supression on lasts until the next court appearance. If it is not renewed at the next court hearing, it is automatically lifted. I think we will see his name pretty soon ..
We live in hope but it should have happened BEFORE now.

[Number One]

Is there anything we an do to help you? ?

An angry Lynch mob could be nice?



Do you need to get away for a few days?

There's no getting away from this unfortunately...it will be with us for life.

[Number One]

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[oneofsix]

He admitted to it from the moment the cops came knocking. He is also up for further IT related charges...I have been advised that they will also be serious and inditable ones (sp? would check can't be arsed...bigger fish to fry than fucking spelling shit correctly!)

This could be important. Isn't there a legal option where if further charges are pending name suppression is continued so as not to bias a jury if one is required. You really do need a legal eagle but they don't like to commit themselves, they prefer loopholes.

[Number One]

You really do need a legal eagle but they don't like to commit themselves, they prefer loopholes.

AND payment....no such thing as good free legal advice

[riffer]

Given that the name of the perpetrator is not the same as the name of the victim, name suppression of the perpetrator COULD be lifted IF there is no mention of any relationship.

Seems to me its just too fraught though.

But personally, I wouldn't be surprised if someone went "temporarily insane" around now... :innocent:

[Number One]

But personally, I wouldn't be surprised if someone went "temporarily insane" around now... :innocent:

I'm feeling pretty darned unstable right about now...BUT I don't want to make myself a 'criminal' either....

[riffer]

I'm feeling pretty darned unstable right about now...BUT I don't want to make myself a 'criminal' either....

Victim Support Services? Your GP? A good friend?

It sounds like you need to talk to someone. Is this possible?

[Number One]

Victim Support Services? Your GP? A good friend?

It sounds like you need to talk to someone. Is this possible?

Talking doesn't help especially as no one has anything particularly useful to tell me.

I get told the same thing...Yes, It's a big mindfuck, take care of yourselves, there is no right or wrong way to feel - yadda yadda yadda.

I'm sick to death of talking frankly...that's all we have been able to do- it's pointless and doesn't bring ANY comfort.

ALSO for this situation we are under HELP - the sexual abuse people. Clearly they are just so stretched and our situation isn't the worst most priority one going on. You have to nag for support and then you feel like you're just being a needy baby about it.

[oneofsix]

Talking doesn't help especially as no one has anything particularly useful to tell me.

I get told the same thing...Yes, It's a big mindfuck, take care of yourselves, there is no right or wrong way to feel - yadda yadda yadda.

I'm sick to death of talking frankly...that's all we have been able to do- it's pointless and doesn't bring ANY comfort.

Victim support via KB, now there is a novel idea. :blink:
Well if there is no right or wrong way it could be a choice between spray or petrol can :innocent:
don't forget the temporary insanity plea. :yes:
Hang in there, keep talking.

[Banditbandit]

This could be important. Isn't there a legal option where if further charges are pending name suppression is continued so as not to bias a jury if one is required. You really do need a legal eagle but they don't like to commit themselves, they prefer loopholes.

Yes, if there are further chaerges and he will plead Not Guilty and a jury trial, t5hen that's a reason to continue name supression so as not to bias a jury ...

But again, name supression will be lifted once the trial is complete ... as there are no further reasons to continue supression ...

[Number One]

Yes, if there are further chaerges and he will plead Not Guilty and a jury trial, t5hen that's a reason to continue name supression so as not to bias a jury ...

But again, name supression will be lifted once the trial is complete ... as there are no further reasons to continue supression ...

Victims rendered powerless and gagged!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Scuba_Steve]

Talking doesn't help especially as no one has anything particularly useful to tell me.

I get told the same thing...Yes, It's a big mindfuck, take care of yourselves, there is no right or wrong way to feel - yadda yadda yadda.


Well there's ya prob your talking to the wrong people screw all that feel good shit, I'll tell ya straight "buy a car" it solves all probs.

(I take no responsibility for any retarded decisions come about through my advise)

[Number One]

I'll tell ya straight "buy a car" it solves all probs.

(I take no responsibility for any retarded decisions come about through my advise)

I have a car - why the fuck would I want another one?!

Tell me to buy a gun and I may consider that...offer me phone numbers for gang prospects...yes that might be good too...talking schmorking...there just aren't any words

[phill-k]

I have a car - why the fuck would I want another one?!

Tell me to buy a gun and I may consider that...offer me phone numbers for gang prospects...yes that might be good too...talking schmorking...there just aren't any words

Actually I just remembered...he's a KB member...not a frequent one at all but he's here. NOT that he will read this - he is not allowed to own or work with computers again.

Over the years our media have gone to court to argue the merits of name suppression and have the legal teams to fight for it.
I'm assuming you are actually related to what has gone on (first person account) what about getting in touch with one of the main stream papers, in the mean time record the whole situation "on paper" so that you have clear in your mind the facts, as you have stated the offender lives near a park ect this indicates that potential further offending could occur the media may step up to the plate for you.
From what I've read you have a son involved in any action you decide to take first think of how it will effect him - please.

[Usarka]

Tell me to buy a gun and I may consider that...offer me phone numbers for gang prospects...yes that might be good too...talking schmorking...there just aren't any words

Apologies if this is the namby pamby sort of crap you've been listening to but - I reckon some people don't respond to talking type therapies too much, and sometimes stopping thinking about things for a while can help otherwise the anger self perpetuates if there is no outlet or "answer" (i take back the booze advice). I find daily exercise a great way to clear the head for a while and to mentally get away from things for 1/2 hour or so.

[Number One]

From what I've read you have a son involved in any action you decide to take first think of how it will effect him - please.

That is the only thing that is currently staying my hand......

[Number One]

Apologies if this is the namby pamby sort of crap you've been listening to but - I reckon some people don't respond to talking type therapies too much, and sometimes stopping thinking about things for a while can help otherwise the anger self perpetuates if there is no outlet or "answer" (i take back the booze advice). I find daily exercise a great way to clear the head for a while and to mentally get away from things for 1/2 hour or so.

It's been weeks and weeks of using all those coping strategies....they have done fuck all for me, my boy or my husband.I know the offender hasn't been further traumatised though...he believes there is nothing to apologise for! What does that tell ya

[MisterD]

What does that tell ya

That his kneecaps should be in kit form by now?

[Scuba_Steve]

I have a car - why the fuck would I want another one?!

Tell me to buy a gun and I may consider that...offer me phone numbers for gang prospects...yes that might be good too...talking schmorking...there just aren't any words


Hey cars explode, have "accidents" that can involve <del>pedo</del> pedestrians :shifty: & I'm sure your local initiation gang would be more than willing to help out by stealing your car & having an "accident" with a pedestrian :yes:

[riffer]

Please be careful. The things you're starting to post are getting very very close to breaching the suppression order now. Try and keep from posting facts about the case so as not to influence any judge into thinking "he's suffered enough".

If it's any consolation they don't take kindly to kiddiefiddlers in Rimutaka. One possible thing you could consider is waiting until the perpetrator goes to jail, then visiting him and screaming at him about his crime in front of the entire room exactly what happened and how you feel about it.

Things will happen quite quickly from there... they can't segregate people all the time.

[oneofsix]

I have a car - why the fuck would I want another one?!
<snip>
Actually I just remembered...he's a KB member...not a frequent one at all but he's here. NOT that he will read this - he is not allowed to own or work with computers again.

an untracable car maybe? :whistle:
Does he do any group rides, I bet not now if he has read this.

[Number One]

[QUOTE=riffer;1129994892]Please be careful [QUOTE]

YUP exactly - can't even fucking TALK!
Offenders get protection victims jsut have to harden the fuck up and wait for the system to do what they do and just HOPE that some justice gets served up.

Victims are gagged to keep offenders lives more comfortable....so fucking WRONG

BTW ...it might be useful if you didn't use MY NAME in your posts on this thread too...

[avgas]

I want to kick in a head nail his nuts to the wooden floor in the kitchen and set the house alight.
You miss-said that

You accidentally slipped at which point you leg accidentally kicked him, the nail and hammer then proceeded towards his testicles where they secured him to the floor and then the stove exploded forcing you out of the building to save your life.
Unfortunately the fire department did not arrive in time and he was TAKEN from you.

You are lucky to be alive :corn:

[Number One]

You miss-said that

You accidentally slipped at which point you leg accidentally kicked him, the nail and hammer then proceeded towards his testicles where they secured him to the floor and then the stove exploded forcing you out of the building to save your life.
Unfortunately the fire department did not arrive in time and he was TAKEN from you.

You are lucky to be alive :corn:

I do like the way you think good sir. Normally I would say I'm a lover not a fighter but right now mamma wants a fight!

[MisterD]

YUP exactly - can't even fucking TALK!

I don't actually think that's the case. From what I remember of the Whaleoil saga "Name Suppression" is actually a prohibition on publication. IIRC Slater's defence was that his blog was just like talking "around the water-cooler" and therefore not covered by the publication ban. The judge, of course, decided that posting stuff up in a public internet forum was publication...

So, if for example, you told a couple of neighbours, who each told a couple of friends...it doesn't take long. These things have a myriad of ways of getting out there (usually, in the case of celebrities, it's cops telling their reporter mates...) I'd suggest that information dropped in one or two ears amongst the school-run crowd would get around very quickly and completely untraceably.

[avgas]

I do like the way you think good sir. Normally I would say I'm a lover not a fighter but right now mamma wants a fight!
I once tried to lift and mountain bike over a fence and tripped accidentally with the bike falling on someone.

[Ronin]

I don't actually think that's the case. From what I remember of the Whaleoil saga "Name Suppression" is actually a prohibition on publication. IIRC Slater's defence was that his blog was just like talking "around the water-cooler" and therefore not covered by the publication ban. The judge, of course, decided that posting stuff up in a public internet forum was publication...

So, if for example, you told a couple of neighbours, who each told a couple of friends...it doesn't take long. These things have a myriad of ways of getting out there (usually, in the case of celebrities, it's cops telling their reporter mates...) I'd suggest that information dropped in one or two ears amongst the school-run crowd would get around very quickly and completely untraceably.

So a PM wouldn't be publication then would it?

[oneofsix]

So a PM wouldn't be publication then would it?

you start the legal arguments again. While Oil's blog was considered like a magazine but is a PM like a letter to the editor or like a comment at the water cooler??? Anything for the lawyer types to charge fees.

[Number One]

So a PM wouldn't be publication then would it?

I believe it would be considered publication...

Picketing outside someones house....that wouldn't be surely?

[Usarka]

In regards to your earlier question :shit:

I believe it would be considered publication...

Picketing outside someones house....that wouldn't be surely?

Possibly....

According to stuff (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/4127070/Whale-Oil-blogger-Cameron-Slater-guilty) the judge at the whaleoil dudes hearing:


Burns said anything which led to the identification of an individual protected by name suppression was a breach of the court order.

"A name is a name is a name. Whether its spoken, whether its written or whether its established by a pictogram."

Fence paint or pamphlet drop might be better - do it middle of the night so no one sees you, or even better get someone else to do it so you can honestly say "wasn't me officer".

[MisterD]

So a PM wouldn't be publication then would it?

It may or may not be publication, but it's in writing so probably traceable. School-gate gossip amongst the parents...not so much. See how far the polis get with "I dunno, I think I heard it from Mavis...nah maybe not, cos her Johnny has been off with nits...maybe it was...." from about fifty sets of parents.

[Number One]

It may or may not be publication, but it's in writing so probably traceable. School-gate gossip amongst the parents...not so much. See how far the polis get with "I dunno, I think I heard it from Mavis...nah maybe not, cos her Johnny has been off with nits...maybe it was...." from about fifty sets of parents.

Woudl be a waste of breath. Our school is far away from where he is.

[oneofsix]

Woudl be a waste of breath. Our school is far away from where he is.

too lazy to go back through the thread but didn't you mention a kindergarten across the road? are any of the parents also parent at the school. Or a whisper to one of the parents at the park that Mavis told Beth that they guy living over there is a bit weird around children.

[Ronin]

too lazy to go back through the thread but didn't you mention a kindergarten across the road? are any of the parents also parent at the school. Or a whisper to one of the parents at the park that Mavis told Beth that they guy living over there is a bit weird around children.

What he said...

[riffer]

..it might be useful if you didn't use MY NAME in your posts on this thread too...

Indeed. Mea culpa. Names have been removed to protect the guilty.

[Number One]

What he said...

Not a kindy. A playground....

I have regained some of my normal wits now too and exposing him would likely hurt my son if not now - possibly in the future...I won't do that.

I will go really tough on the offender through my victim impact statement...which I have requested that I can read in court at sentencing AND I am taking many supporters with me to that court date so that he isn't sentenced without seeing the look on the faces of people that knew and respected him once....that will hurt him I am sure...well I can only hope it hurts him...a lot!!!!

NOTE TO SELF: rolling around on the floor wrestling my lovely dog helps me feel better. Animals rock...so much more than a lot of 'inhumanes'

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[Ronin]

Not a kindy. A playground....

I have regained some of my normal wits now too and exposing him would likely hurt my son if not now - possibly in the future...I won't do that.

I will go really tough on the offender through my victim impact statement...which I have requested that I can read in court at sentencing AND I am taking many supporters with me to that court date so that he isn't sentenced without seeing the look on the faces of people that knew and respected him once....that will hurt him I am sure...well I can only hope it hurts him...a lot!!!!

NOTE TO SELF: rolling around on the floor wrestling my lovely dog helps me feel better. Animals rock...so much more than a lot of 'inhumanes'

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I was pretty sure that 'normal' service would be resumed.

As has been said already. You know what needs to be concentrated on now and while I have never met you or hubby, I have one BIG dog and lots of sheep you can argue with if you ever need too.

I have a vision of a whole courtroom full of bikers at sentencing. Warms the cockles of my heart.

[oneofsix]

I was pretty sure that 'normal' service would be resumed.

As has been said already. You know what needs to be concentrated on now and while I have never met you or hubby, I have one BIG dog and lots of sheep you can argue with if you ever need too.

I have a vision of a whole courtroom full of bikers at sentencing. Warms the cockles of my heart.

I like the term 'normal service' and am also glad it has been resumed. Trust you enjoyed the chance to vent Number 1. Sounds like in the end you are being very sane about this.

[98tls]

Please be careful. The things you're starting to post are getting very very close to breaching the suppression order now. Try and keep from posting facts about the case so as not to influence any judge into thinking "he's suffered enough".

If it's any consolation they don't take kindly to kiddiefiddlers in Rimutaka. One possible thing you could consider is waiting until the perpetrator goes to jail, then visiting him and screaming at him about his crime in front of the entire room exactly what happened and how you feel about it.

Things will happen quite quickly from there... they can't segregate people all the time.
Riff they can and they do,all said scumbucket has to do is ask.Crime in itself in my opinion.

[riffer]

Riff they can and they do,all said scumbucket has to do is ask.Crime in itself in my opinion.

I understand that anyone can ask for segregation. It doesn't mean that they can be absolutely guaranteed that they won't at some stage have to interact with the rest of the general population.

Karma has a habit of dealing with people like this.

[Number One]

I have a vision of a whole courtroom full of bikers at sentencing. Warms the cockles of my heart.

That warmed my heart a little too actually :sunny:


I like the term 'normal service' and am also glad it has been resumed. Trust you enjoyed the chance to vent Number 1. Sounds like in the end you are being very sane about this.

Yeah 'normal service' is a very good term for it. I did enjoy the chance to vent - these come few and far between and though some of you 'know me' IRL many of the people on here don't. It catches up and has to come out somehow - at least it just came out on here! I have to avoid letting son see how upset I am as at this point he doesn't really fully understand the gravity of the situation and so isn't too messed up...he's compartmentalising quite effectively at the moment and is making good progress with the child psychiatrist. Have been told that we don't want to freak him out about it all before he is ready to be freaked out about it for himself. PLUS given my distress he might think it's his fault that mummy is sad - even though we are constantly reassuring him he did the right thing and it was ....... that has done wrong and been very very bad.

I am looking forward to a run tomorrow morning and hoping that the supermarket shop will all carry me back to that somewhat contrived 'normal' state I am in at the moment. Contrived normal is still heaps better than stuck in the muck of the whole thing. Will be a long road but I know we will get there...just have to wait for 5 weeks and I have been reassured by a few people in the know that that whole hearing should be quite poweful and validating. Again I look forward to telling the offender just what impact they have had and just how much they have angered and hurt us.

[Number One]

I should also say. Thank you to those of you that made contact with me offering support, violence and wrath and just gentle well meaning and caring advice.

You were all little voices of reason..well some were - others were voices of holy war...I'm a little bit shallow so I enjoyed those probably slightly more...but it all helped me get my head back into the right space today. So again THANKS.

In some small way it was comforting to have others validate how hideous it all is and how acting on my feelings given the situation might not be the smartest way forward it is completely understandable and sane and normal of me to have them!

The offender doesn't apparently think he has anything to be sorry for, while I know those are the words of a raving fucking lunatic sicko there is a small part of you that is caught off guard and starts to wonder...am I overreacting? NO FUCKING WAY is the answer but...there is always a way to ACT and I am not just going to REACT.

Now I shall go and try again for some sleep...doesn't seem to be coming to me much of late...that in and of itself is killer for the psyche

[fuknKIWI]

Get someone from overseas not bound by our laws to post it ?

Funny you should say that:shutup::innocent::yes:

[Teflon]

I have a car - why the fuck would I want another one?!

Tell me to buy a gun and I may consider that...offer me phone numbers for gang prospects...yes that might be good too...talking schmorking...there just aren't any words


Guns, cars, to messy. If i was that way inclined, I would look into cyanide.

Good song:

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[Number One]

It was a better day today. Spent it on the treadmill...funny that I have never been a runner however since my size 16 frame has shrunk to a 10 it seems so easy now. Suddenly makes sense why all my clothes are SO big on me...

45mins at max heart rate followed by a good vent at the counsellor a few practise runs writing my VIS followed by a long walk in the sun along the waterfront means I have managed to get a bit further past the nasty black anger that pulled me down yesterday.

I've also told the offenders supporters to stop contacting me, I do not want to be at all involved in their side of things and I am just counting the days until I stand up in court, face him for what will likely be the last time and tell him exactly what he has done to us and how we are feeling. I am also gathering up friends and family and asking them to take the day off to attend the sentencing hearing with us. I know this will sting the offender in the only way I can legally without causing myself further grief or anger with silly actions.

Life is a shit sandwich and every hours lunchtime at the moment but as a wise old nude copper from down south said...don't let the offender eat you up so you become a sad, bitter and miserable human being.

We will get through - we will be alright AND his life is totally fucked now so he WILL suffer and I believe he will die a sad and lonely old man. One part of me feels horribly sad for him about that but the rest of me says - FUCK YOU VERY MUCH and feels good about it.

Kia kaha Number one

[Banditbandit]

So a PM wouldn't be publication then would it?

No sorry. Used to work in the media ... worked with the law as a court reporter ...
Telling someone who was not in the courtroom is publication .. doesn't matter whether it is written or verbal ..

[Drunken Monkey]

If your original question hasn't been answered yet:

http://lancewiggs.com/2010/09/14/name-suppression-the-judges-findings-and-how-to-do-it-properly/

It appears there is a way it can be done without breaking the law, read the judge's statement on "Off-Shore Publication of Suppressed Names"

[Number One]

Name suppression?

Very good response from the investigating officer today.

Confirmed there is no way in hell I want the offenders name getting out into the public....not for these charges anyway. The pending ones - hell fricken yes...but that won't be an option until after they are brought against him.

Another good day today - LOOOONG run and the personal trainer says I am really quite fit! How the hell that happened I don't know...I can only put it down to just having less fat on board...anyway 5 weeks and we will have our day in court to confront him 'almost' no holds barred.

I'm sharpening my very unimpressed look, may even pluck my eyebrows differently to add to the effect :lol:

[Number One]

Weird to read back. This is all such a roller coaster with as many ups as downs and twists and turns in it.

6 sleeps till sentencing...good thing is that I have 10 nights worth of good drugs to knock me out so hopefully the time will fly.

I'm sure of only one thing at this point....that I am pleased there is a pub within 100 metres of the court.

Terabytes of pedobear type shit on pc will 'hopefully' be taken into account by the judge...surely that shit is contextual. Not feeling confident that sentence will measure up but not sure anything short of shooting him would. Not that I would shoot him (btw)

[Mental Trousers]

Hope for a bit of Prison time in General Population. Doesn't have to be long, a couple of days usually sorts these things out.

That is, however, unlikely (the Gen Pop bit) :(

[Number One]

I feel for this mother whatever the case is her boys name probably won't be protected much longer given how many people seem to know him, know about it and are travelling in his circle (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4814124/Mother-fears-son-will-pay-price).

[Teflon]

First, be smart from the very beginning. Pulverize all teeth, burn off fingerprints, and disfigure the face. Forcing a DNA test to establish identity (if it ever comes to that) might introduce the legal/forensic hurdle that saves your arse down the line. An unidentifiable body can, in a pinch, be dressed in thrift store clothes and dropped in a bad part of town where the police are less likely to question it. I don't recommend that disposal method, I'm just saying an easily identifiable body is an even bigger threat than the opposite.

Assuming you have it inside a house where you can work on it a bit, the first thing you want to do is drain it of fluids. This will make it easier to cut up, and slow decomposition a little bit. The best way to do this quick and dirty is to perforate the body with a pointed knife, and then perform CPR on it. Cut the fronts of the thighs deep, diagonally, to slit the femoral arteries. Then pump the chest. The valves in the heart will still work when dead, and the spring back of the ribcage can put apply a fair amount of suction to the atria. Do this in a tub. Plug the drain, and mingle lots of bleach with the bodily fluids before unplugging the drain to empty the tub. This should help control the stench of death, which would otherwise reek from your gutter gratings. Do everything you can to control odors. Plug in an ionizer, burn candles, leave bowls of baking soda everywhere. Ventilate the room in the middle of the night, but otherwise keep it closed. Keep the body under a plastic sheet while it's in the tub.

If you want to bury, I recommend separating the body into several parts, and burying them separately. For one thing, it's easier to dig a deep enough hole for a head than for an entire body. this reduces your chances of being discovered while you are actually outside and digging the grave. That is the one thing you can't do inside the doors of your house, and represents a vulnerable moment you want to keep brief, under 2 hours. Do it between 3 and 5 am. It's also less likely for someone to call the police if their dog digs up some chunk of meat, than if they dig up an entire body. They may assume it's an animal carcass disfigured by decomposition, and leave it alone or dispose of it. It's also more likely that the dog will consume all of it before anyone knows the difference. A whole skeleton is another story. You can cut a body into 6 pieces faster than you think. It's not much different than boning a chicken, but it takes more work, a big knife, and time. A hammer will be useful for pulverizing joints or driving the knife deep where it doesn't want to go. Anyway it's wise to crush as much of the skeleton as you can along the way. It will aid in making the body less identifiable for what it is as it decomposes.

Don't return to the same site 6 times for 6 burials.You'll attract suspicion from anyone nearby, and you'll wind up placing the body parts close enough together to be found by any serious investigation. Put them in plastic bags with lots of bleach, and store in a freezer until you have enough time to bury them all.

Depending on what tools you have available, you may find that you're get really good at deconstructing the body. You might prefer to slowly sprinkle it down a drain without leaving your house. This avoids the long-term risk of discovery associated with burial, and the overwhelming supply of bacteria in a sewer accelerates decomposition, while providing a convenient cover smell.

Truly grinding down a body takes a lot more work, and you run the risk of fouling your plumbing and calling in a plumber. So don't try it unless you know how to clear bones and meat out of a drainpipe. A good food processor can be useful. But don't over-use it, or power drills or saws. They're noisy and they attract attention. And forget the kitchen sink. It's better if you actually remove one of the toilets in your house from its base, which will give you direct access to one of the largest sewer pipes that enters your house. Follow any disposals with lots of bleach and then run the water for 5 or 10 minutes on top of that. And plug that pipe when you're not using it, to prevent any sewer gasses from backing up into your house. Usually, a U-trap inside the toilet does that for you.
" The Green River Killer excelled at body disposal: choose an openly accessible area that is not heavily patrolled. The key is to kill a stranger, and have only 'one' crime scene: murder and disposal in approximately the same place. When you have secondary and tertiary crime scenes, you're just creating more places to leave evidence."

[Edbear]

KB is truly an amazing forum! :blink:

[Teflon]

KB is truly an amazing forum! :blink:
I have nothing but hate for pedophiles and child molesters

[Edbear]

Not gainsaying that, only that no-one gets away with murder. As much as we'd like to do all sorts of things to certain persons, it's better to fantasise than actually carry it out.

Mind you, if you were to catch the offender in the act.... :shutup:

[Number One]

I have nothing but hate for pedophiles and child molesters

I used to think the same...sometimes things just aren't as clear cut as you'd like them to be.

Your sentiments don't offend and nor are they lost on me.

[Teflon]

Not gainsaying that, only that no-one gets away with murder. As much as we'd like to do all sorts of things to certain persons, it's better to fantasise than actually carry it out.

Mind you, if you were to catch the offender in the act.... :shutup:
No fantasy. You don't mess with woman and children. I would be happy to do time if someone fucked with my family.

The law is to soft.. it's not a deterrent to these fuckers.


Not gainsaying that, only that no-one gets away with murder.

If you really want to know what goes on in this world I can send you a link - I've just seen videos of the Mexican killings.. I'm not sure if the Muslims can top them for :sick:

[\m/]

Not gainsaying that, only that no-one gets away with murder.
If you can pay a high-price lawyer and you get an idiot jury you can get away with almost anything.

[Hitcher]

It's amazing what the passing of time can do. Particularly if the offending person has been separated from your life. And it's also pointless taking on blame for other people's failings. Remember that none of this is your fault.

All things that are easy to say. Good luck with the Court bizzo.

[superman]

only that no-one gets away with murder.

You think not one person has gotten away with murder? :facepalm: You're right. KB is truly an amazing forum with statements like that.

[Edbear]

No fantasy. You don't mess with woman and children. I would be happy to do time if someone fucked with my family.

The law is to soft.. it's not a deterrent to these fuckers.



If you really want to know what goes on in this world I can send you a link - I've just seen videos of the Mexican killings.. I'm not sure if the Muslims can top them for :sick:


You think not one person has gotten away with murder? :facepalm: You're right. KB is truly an amazing forum with statements like that.

Let me elaborate. I wasn't thinking globally and perhaps it was too much of a generalisation. What I meant was that in NZ, eventually the murderers get caught and anyone who does a revenge killing, especially, will invariably get caught causing more suffering to their families.

I do take your responses as read.

[Number One]

If something were to happen to said person it wouldn't take a brain surgeon to figure out it was probably me or hubby...cops would no doubt be straight around to my house to arrest me.

In the first week when this all came out, I was offered phone numbers for gang prospects, a proposal to name and shame on an international website and from people outside NZ, I have had atleat 10 offers to have this guy severely messed up and to have his house painted and targetted.

It didn't take long for me to realise that while entertaining these thoughts made me feel powerful and vengeful etc etc any of these actions wouldn't have made me feel any better about what has happened to my baby.

We plan to work on living well and getting on with life. Best revenge - specially when his life is now so fucked. We will not be brought down by this...well not forever anyway!

[Number One]

Having just spoken to the probation officer compiling the pre-sentence report I am FUCKING LIVID.
Apparently he has said that we (the victims mum and dad) are OK with it and are OVER IT!!! WTF?! I'll give you fucking over it!

He also admitted he had taken photos...how do I get away with murder folks?!

Friday better bring a fucking long jail sentence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fuknKIWI]

We plan to work on living well and getting on with life. Best revenge - specially when his life is now so fucked. We will not be brought down by this...well not forever anyway!
All the very best in dealing with this, I'm sure you will find an apropriate way of sorting things out.
Have you checked out the pointer I gave you?
Stay strong & don't give in to the probation officers or anybody, call them liars if you feel that way...

[Number One]

Tis hard to maintain the composure I had in the post before last. Right now I'd like to go round and do bad things to him and his house. Fuck I am livid. Probation officers aren't the problem...also HIS Name Suppression is not likely be going on for much longer apparently - too fucking right! I can't wait till some of the people who see him as a hero hear what he's done...rot you bastard

[Usarka]

If someones sick in the head enough to do this in the first place then they're probably sick in the head enough to make shit up also.

Sincerely good luck and best wishes for friday, hopefully justice and sanity prevail in the universe and that you don't need luck.

[Number One]

He can make all the shit up that he likes - how the fuck he can think WE are ok with it and 'over it' I don't know - fucking sicko jail won't be harsh enough for him I don't think

[Pussy]

If/when it gets around the other inmates, the perp won't be smiling so much, mate!

[Ronin]

doop dee doo

[Number One]

I will likely visit - I won't be holding back telling the room about what he's done...THEN they will KNOW...he shall reap what he has sown but not by my direct hand.

Fuck you *&^%

[Foxzee]

I will likely visit - I won't be holding back telling the room about what he's done...THEN they will KNOW...he shall reap what he has sown but not by my direct hand.

Fuck you *&^%

Hugs to you right now!....:love:

[chanceyy]

Friday go for it chick, vent the rage and look that fucker in the eye while you tell him what he has done

I know your Strong and determined and he sure messed with the wrong family, but know that you are trying to prevent him messing up someone elses family in the future

sorry I only caught up with this thread today, and I know words will not make anything better, but regardless I have you guys in my thoughts for friday. Apart fr the seriousness of the situ, a must admit to a evil grin with some of the previous posts ..

so will it be a large "biker" turn out on friday ??

[Number One]

Thanks S. The main motivator for me in doing all this is to 'hopefully' prevent anyone else going through what we are at his hands.

No big turn out for the day. I was told today that his lawyer was going to try to avoid me being able to read the VIS by trying to get the case through earlier than we would be there.

Victim court advisor said that it's on the cards for just before 12 but warned me that the indictable (sp) list actually gets going at 10am so we should show up before that to ensure they can't get away with him getting sentenced without having to hear what we have to say.

FUCKerS! I didn't realise the games these arseholes play and didn't for a second think they could wiggle their way out of what is a firm part of victims rights in the judicial process.

Still can't make it through the VIS without tears. I suspect that should make it harder on HIM though...well I can only hope that it does anyway.

[Str8 Jacket]

FUCKerS! I didn't realise the games these arseholes play and didn't for a second think they could wiggle their way out of what is a firm part of victims rights in the judicial process.


Hugs hun, I hate to say it but that guy's lawyers just doesn't give a fuck about you or really even him. They just know that the better the out come the more $$$ for them!

Stay strong chick!

[oneofsix]

Have your vent on Friday, make an impact with your statement, and then get your revenge by, as you suggested, living well.
IMHO you need to remember part of what makes him the arse hole he is is his ability to play mind games with people, he is trying to fuck with you by telling the parole officers you are over it as well as save his own self centered skin. For him its all about him.
You know from this thread that people are here for you and its about you and yours. Be strong and beat this fucker.

[Number One]

IMHO you need to remember part of what makes him the arse hole he is is his ability to play mind games with people, he is trying to fuck with you by telling the parole officers you are over it as well as save his own self centered skin.

If he was this calculating I would agree completely however the sad fact is he is actually just 'off in lala land' and truly believes we are ok with it....he gave the probation officer our number so we could tell her ourselves. She is putting together the pre-sentencing report and is the one who recommends what the sentence should be. She said that she was not at all surprised to find that we aren't as he said 'over it'...he also told her the worst punishment in all this is that (since I had the PC etc seized, which has pics of my boy on it too) he hasn't been able to play his online games...namely World of Warcraft!

The one good thing I did get from her was that the assessment of his house has been completed and it has been deemed and inappropriate venue for Home D! THANK GOD! There isn't anywhere else he could go either so I'm hoping that this signals a definite jail term. Send the sick prick to Kia marama for some intensive in jail treatment I say. NOT that I believe in rehab. for these guys, the recidivism rate is through the roof...research shows that the best method of preventing them doing more harm is physical/medical castration...I know another way but that would be too damn easy for him and I don't have a gun license.

[Number One]

Hugs hun, I hate to say it but that guy's lawyers just doesn't give a fuck about you or really even him. They just know that the better the out come the more $$$ for them!

Stay strong chick!

I know you are right hon...I was naive to think they wouldn't try it on...I guess I just thought that game time was over come sentencing...silly me.

Not very strong right now, just as well I'm also completely demotivated too I guess.

[Smifffy]

I wish you strength and spirit for tomorrow, and that you get the outcome you expect. I know you can't get the outcome you want.

Stay strong & see it through.

[chanceyy]

I wish you strength and spirit for tomorrow, and that you get the outcome you expect. I know you can't get the outcome you want.

Stay strong & see it through.

Plus one here too S .. :hug: you be in my thoughts morrow Kia Kaha

[Number One]

Draining day but an end to things judicial at least.

Got through VIS. To a court full of strangers and HIM it felt like I was standing up there reading for ages. I took my time stopping only once but reading in a steady pace. Had wobbly and steely anger phases as I read but it could all be clearly heard and understood and the offender did look at me, though showed no emotion at all thrughout the entire process until he was taken away.

The judge gave a powerful and validating summing up and sentencing statement. He wasn't fucking about and was quite staunch with defence and the offender. Laughed at the defence counsel twice.

Sentence = 2 years 6 months.

Name suppression not upheld for him (sons name is protected), no media interest present in court - thank god. After being told he had a few discounts for speedy plead and getting counselling he was then told that he would be sentenced in the framework of the system...meaning it ain't gonna buy you much here sunshine in time or sentence options.

He was read the three strikes warning and then finally a very small looking, tired, old and red faced man was lead away by the biggest meanest looking cop I have ever seen. At that point I almost couldn't recognise my father at all.

Fantastic was the word of the moment from my mothers lips as we left court...something I want to be able to connect freely with but can't. It just feels hollow right now. I can only hope I've done enough to ensure he doesn't do this again to anyone elses baby.

The only thing I didn't say in court today: Dear daddy. I loved, respected and adored you once. Goodbye. Your daughter.

[chanceyy]

The only thing I didn't say in court today: Dear daddy. I loved, respected and adored you once. Goodbye. Your daughter.

I think you still would have delivered that message babe .. but even if he did not get it he soon will. I am glad this day is over & there is a measure of closure/justice although it will be with you for a while.

He is contained so you have saved other babies .. sleep well tonite S & much respect to you for standing up & delivering your VIS in court :)

[Swoop]

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[Usarka]

I tried to think of something to say last night but it sounded bollox. Swoop sums it up nicely. +1

[Smifffy]

I tried to think of something to say last night but it sounded bollox. Swoop sums it up nicely. +1

Yeah me too. +2

[fuknKIWI]

I'm proud of you & hope you're proud of yourself you flaming well should be.
WELL DONE!

[Number One]

I'm proud of you & hope you're proud of yourself you flaming well should be.

Thanks people. I am on a level proud I stood up and did this...it's just somewhat of a hollow victory.

Good healing day today though. Spent it with my close aunty, clearing out his house. Very strange and tough yet cathartic. It's like cleaning up after someone's died. I found things I didn't want to while finding lots of stuff that made me smile and remember fond times. I was reflected all over the house. Photos and things he'd kept - some of which I have kept for myself now.

33 years of happy childhood and loving happy friendship doesn't just disappear overnight, no matter what happens...on some level I can't and don't want to banish those happy memories (not yet anyway) they are part of me and I don't have much family as it is!

Onwards and upwards is a process but I'm starting to make out the road ahead a bit better.

[Number One]

My dad (http://www.safe-nz.org.nz/sxdb/hardiephilip.htm). Respected career soldier. Liked and loved by many

He was friends with this guy (http://www.safe-nz.org.nz/sxdb/gordonwayne.htm) I always found creepy but I had always felt physically and emotionally strong enough and I guess safe with. Dad had had him spend time with me and I recall being left in his care twice...did my dad know this what this man had been up to? Was I being shared? he's been storing this creeps stuff since he was put away.

I've just finished talking with a woman who grew up as an army brat and she tells sad story of being raped by her fathers soldier mate. She is not the only one for whom the Army life was sick and harmful beyond the regular posting changes.

My dads family want me to shut up. My uncle apparently has dodgy kiddy pics on his pc too. They can get fucked! My lovely nana will be rolling over and over and over

We must not keep these kind of secrets...I sure as shit won't it is NOT MY SHAME!

[Usarka]

Four counts and only 2.5 years?

Respect for your strength N1.

[Number One]

Four counts and only 2.5 years?

Respect for your strength N1.

It's revolting eh. He'll only do half and was able to refuse a transfer to access therapy.

[Ocean1]

Onwards and upwards is a process but I'm starting to make out the road ahead a bit better.

Excellent.

It heads south, from memory, this road. In the company of a black monster, in a couple of months?

If you need a (unocupied but provisioned) place to crash near Blenheim let me know eh?

[Number One]

Excellent.

It heads south, from memory, this road. In the company of a black monster, in a couple of months?

If you need a (unocupied but provisioned) place to crash near Blenheim let me know eh?

Lol you're onto it! Mmmm solo yay :)

I be keen on an unoccupied crash pad too! I plan to take just a few undies and a book and my Monsta

[fuknKIWI]

My dad (http://www.safe-nz.org.nz/sxdb/hardiephilip.htm). Respected career soldier. Liked and loved by many

He was friends with this guy (http://www.safe-nz.org.nz/sxdb/gordonwayne.htm) I always found creepy but I had always felt physically and emotionally strong enough and I guess safe with. Dad had had him spend time with me and I recall being left in his care twice...did my dad know this what this man had been up to? Was I being shared? he's been storing this creeps stuff since he was put away.

I've just finished talking with a woman who grew up as an army brat and she tells sad story of being raped by her fathers soldier mate. She is not the only one for whom the Army life was sick and harmful beyond the regular posting changes.

My dads family want me to shut up. My uncle apparently has dodgy kiddy pics on his pc too. They can get fucked! My lovely nana will be rolling over and over and over

We must not keep these kind of secrets...I sure as shit won't it is NOT MY SHAME!

So right it's not your shame, stay strong:yes:

[Paul in NZ]

Respect to you Number One...... Such a hard thing but you handled it. I hope you can find some peace soon....

[riffer]

Definitely not your shame mate. Keep strong and look after those you love.

[Number One]

Firstly thank you KB for not being so sensitive of soul that I can say exactly what I bloody well like here without worrying about offending anyone - and if you are offended 'check yourself!'

SO...after months of waiting since dad went inside I finally got the call today that essentially releases me from the need to do anymore 'work' that relates to him and our situation specifically at least...

Basically today I was told that the strength of my victim impact statement had helped greatly in ensuring the dodgy IT shit charges WILL be laid! They were originally saying that due to the need to 'escalate to get approval to lay the charges (?!) and that he was already inside there might not be any real value in it'...omg seriously WTF?!

Anyway, apparently there was cause for about 100 new charges however, to make it manageable, they got it down to 15...that's still pretty big huh? :gob:

Still getting used to the fact that my dad is such a perve *shudder*

ANYWAY - onward and upward :) Things are starting to come good for us with an awesome new bike and choice as pay and job prospects for me, fun plans on the horizon for us all and a fabulous new family friend in our new nanny - who the boy loves to pieces.

All the more exciting now that the 'required work' over all that shit in our past is over with. MY work there is DONE!

I think I deserve a beer or two, in fact I shall do that henceforth!

NO MERCY FOR CHILD ABUSERS...EVEN IF THEY ARE FAMILY...OUR BABIES DESERVE BETTER!