Have a rant...

[myvice]

Something happened today, well at 7:10 this morning to be pedantic, happily riding along the Great South Rd on my way to the motorway a gentleman (I wont call him a mindless troglodite as that may be seen as petty and mean, I am but dont want to come across as that) undertook me, so what? nothing new there...
But there was a car infront of me so as he had nowhere to go he just pushed me into on-coming traffic, while eating his breakfast pie.
A bigger person would have just backed off and let him go, I'm not a big person so I gave his car a size 9 dent in the drivers door and fucked off smartly for two reasons.
1: The afore-mentioned traffic.
2: lots of nutters on all sorts of strange chemicals out there and I didnt need to find out that he hasn't slept since May and his pie's cold. But heres the reason behind this, I'm not a large guy by any means, but I can 1:Run fast, and 2:Defend myself if need be (martial arts, but prefer option 1 cause theres less paper work).
So just a thought before you remove the mirror, kick the door, firebomb the 4x4 wank tank or tell the U.S. "Hey guys, Osama lives here!" That maybe discretion is the better part of valour.
I dont know, my act this morning probably wasn't the smartest move, and the mirror on Monday on the Southern (Bad week so far) could have used a little more of the oh well, shit happens, type thinking. Many of us dont do this sort of anti-social/self-defence call it what you will type behavior, and I know many do, the thing is the other non bike riding road users do make mistakes, and these mistakes can cost us our lives and limbs, giving the cage a rattle may just infuriate the sheep inside and not educate them that thay aren't alone on our roads and looking really is a good idea. To sumarize:
The bastard this morning had it coming and rightly or wrongly I'd do it again. However, maybe a tap on the window of the car that moved into my lane on Monday would have been a more gentle reminder that he has a window and to use it, cheaper than a new mirror. I've been riding on-road for about 15 years and don't consider myself a "newbie" any more, (Dont take offence at this if you are starting out, we where all newbie's once and we are ALL still learning) Maybe I'm gaining maturity (I hope not) Who knows? Any way, your views/comments are welcome. Lets see what hornets nest I've stirred up.

[StoneChucker]

Oh great, I hope I'm not the next biker to lane split past THAT guy :devil2:
Nah mate, whatever you need to do I guess. Personally, I wouldn't do that, regardless of what he/she did to me. But sometimes I feel like it.

Infact, DRIVING home tonight, I actually thought for one second, would it be so bad if I rammed the car infront of me? :rofl: :rofl:

[Posh Tourer :P]

The mirror maybe wasnt right, cos he might not have seen you and a tap might have been enough. The dent was certainly justified, the w@nk3r obviously knew you were there cos he undertook you. My guess is he wont understand anything less.

I wouldnt do it myself, mainly cos I dont trust myself not to fall of afterwards......:S

[Gremlin]

Good for you. Coming home a couple of days ago on Bucklands Beach Rd (where it is one lane, but probably 1.5 lanes wide) some bastard asian undertook me. Initially I thought he was turning or something, but no, he just decided that the car length between me and the car in front was his.

If I was used to it I would have done more than pulled the finger at him. Instead I just was shocked. Afterwards I realised I should have followed him (I had the time) and instructed him of the road rules.

The shoe might have been a little over the top, and although some KB'rs like us to have a lovey dovey image, I reckon just a little fear would be good, and make the cars think twice before doing something they wouldn't do with another vehicle.

[WINJA]

YEAH GOOD ON YA , I FUCKEN HATE INCONSIDERATE DRIVERS

[John]

I dont care what anyone says I'm with the rest of you blatent shit like that gets a whooping.

I do the same if they are close enough, otherwise I do a rolling road block while expressing my emotions, I'm sure they can tell I am pissed off when I am jumping up on my bike waving my hands around, Whats more fun is riding up beside the car and opening the door, fuck that freaks them out :D

[Ixion]

YEAH GOOD ON YA , I FUCKEN HATE INCONSIDERATE DRIVERS

What he said. Makes you understand why in America most bikers carry a gun

[justsomeguy]

Whats more fun is riding up beside the car and opening the door, fuck that freaks them out :D

.......hey.....:clap: :clap: :clap:

Something I can do and NOT fall off.......

:not: :not: :not: thanks for educating me......

[Crazy Steve]

I always carry my Screwdriver with me and wave it in peoples faces when they cut me off... :whistle:

[justsomeguy]

Something happened today, well at 7:10 this morning to be pedantic, happily riding .......Maybe I'm gaining maturity (I hope not) Who knows? Any way, your views/comments are welcome. Lets see what hornets nest I've stirred up.

Heck yeah mate.....:Punk:

By the way how did you make the dent?? A kick out to the side ???

[justsomeguy]

I always carry my Screwdriver with me and wave it in peoples faces when they cut me off... :whistle:

Where do you carry it?? For easy access??

[Crazy Steve]

Its stuck to my subframe...With clips....

And got Crazy Steve name on it...:)

Use it to.....The last time I got 3years.... :mad:

[John]

Its stuck to my subframe...With clips....

And got Crazy Steve name on it...:)

Use it to.....The last time I got 3years.... :mad:
To messy for me, I prefer something cleaner like a blade - different strokes I supose.

[zeRax]

good job, i for one think it doesnt hurt, denting someones car that fucks up, smackin their mirror, if they dont register what theyve done it could cost you your life the next day

just dont hurt urself or anyone in the process

[placidfemme]

All bikers express themselves differently... and theres been many times I would love to have smacked off a side mirror of some cage driver asshole... But havn't because I'm not sure what to expect (force wise... therefore balance wise).

But now there is one more SUPER pissed off cager out there who proberly now hates all bikers... oh well I'm sure he'll get over it.

[Pwalo]

Gee you people up north really take things personally!

I think you're making the mistake that car drivers, or most other road users are even aware of your existence. Traffic must be a real pain in the @#$% up there.

[Lou Girardin]

Excellent, but why are you justifying it? It sounds well warranted to me.

[speedpro]

I just quietly folded the mirror back for one woman who did the "left lane to middle lane" where I was thing. No damage done but the look on her face when she clicked that I was handling bits of her car :Oops: :shit:

[vifferman]

Infact, DRIVING home tonight, I actually thought for one second, would it be so bad if I rammed the car infront of me? :rofl: :rofl:
My bro-in-law was on the Southern m/way one day, when some guy did just that, obviously thinking, "Hey,fucktard - can't you drive at the speed limit?" or somesuch, and gave the guy in front who was impeding him a helpful nudge to get him up to speed. Good thinking, and obviously a case of civic-mindedness. But the cop in the mufti car he was helping didn't think so. :rofl:

You never know who the other person is, or when you're likely to run into them again (not sure if that's an intentional pun) :confused:
I think we need to be more creative. I like the "opening the car door" thing, as it's non-harmful, funny, but annoying to the person concerned. The trouble is, that many of the fucktards on the road think that the way they are driving is OK, and justifiable on the basis that (a) it's them doing it, and they're a 'better than average driver', and (b) it's saving them time, and (c) everyone else is doing it, and lastly (d) no-one's going to do anything about it.

What we do in response is most effective if it makes them think (alerts them to what they've done wrong), attacks their conscience (assuming they have one), and doesn't put us in the wrong. If it's someone who inadvertantly does something stupid, and then has us retaliate for no apparent reason, they could be justifiably pissed off.

F'rinstance - the woman who I nearly smashed into yesterday. Thinking about this after cooling down, I realised that I was at fault, regardless of how incomprehensible her actions seemed. She indicated a lane change, even if there was nowhere to go, so I shouldn't have passed her. I was so intent on lanesplitting, I assumed she was trying to go around the bus when there was no way to do so, but maybe there was a small gap opening up to her right, and she thought if she put her indicator on and stuck the nose of her car in it, someone would let her in? I don't know, because I wasn't looking there, just where I was going. Because I was behind her, and overtaking, it was my responsibility to ensure it was safe to do so. And her saying, "That's how you cause accidents" was quite right - I did nearly cause an accident. But it was funny retorting with "Just how did you expect to fit in that gap, you stupid bitch!?!", because wherever she thought she was going, I'm sure it wasn't a car-sized gap. :)

I think something involving reverse psychology, and that doesn't stoop to their level (or below it) would be more effective. Like say giving someone a pre-prepared note, with a Lotto or 'Scratch Kiwi' ticket attached:

"This is to let you know that you have been very lucky today. What you just did was very careless, and broke one or more traffic laws. You are lucky I'm in a good mood today. You (and I) were lucky you didn't injure me. You were VERY lucky I'm not an on-duty policeman. You were extremely lucky that I'm not an 8-foot tall Hell's Angel taking offence at your careless driving.
Please drive more carefully in future, be more attentive, LOOK FOR BIKES and try to be more considerate of other road users. You are responsible for their safety. Have a nice day."

[Lias]

Some asshat tried to kill me on the weekend when i was driving down to new Plymouth. Big ute type truck towing a stockcar on a trailer, I'm behidn him, we come up to a passing lane, I pull out and start overtaking.

Dickhead decies he doesnt want to be overtaken, pulls right out too, forcing me to be riding in the oncoming traffic. With cars in the oncoming lane whizzing past me a few inches to my left, I slowed right down to let him go past me, but he kept coming right.. I have gouge marks down the side of my boot from the side of his trailer, thats how close he was to me.

Scared the ever loving crap out of me. I'm still not sure how I didnt get headon'd by the oncoming traffic, as to avoid him I was riding right down the lines.

People are just assholes :mad:

[Lou Girardin]

Vifferman it's her responsibility to change lanes safely, not yours to let her in.
Although most people think that once their indicator goes on they do have right of way.

[vifferman]

Y'know Lou, at the end of the day, it's MY responsibility to make sure I'm safe - I can't rely on anyone else to look out for my safety (especially in D'Auckland).

I've had four significant crashes on bikes, all of which were 'not my fault' from the police's and insurance company's point of view. But from my point of view, I could've prevented every one, and wish I had. If nothing else, I've learned from each one, not held tight to the point of view that it was the other party's fault and blamed them for causing me pain and damage.

Here's what I've learned:

Car failed to give way at an uncontrolled intersection, and I T-boned them. People don't always look, and if they do, they don't necessarily see you. Whether you have right of way or not, be prepared to stop.
(Also - stunting on public roads can have unanticipated circumstances)
Pedestrian stepped out in front of my bike.
Pedestrians (and people in general) are unpredictable, especially when they are in danger/threatened. Allow for more than just the most likely course of behaviour.
Car changed lanes on me, without sufficient warning, and without looking first.
The most dangerous time is when you're nearly at your destination.
People don't anticipate how fast bikes can accelerate.
Be alert ALL the time.
Don't swerve and brake at the same time.
Car u-turned into me.
Never assume people can see you.
Listen to that little voice (it said, "Tootle your horn, just in case")
Sometimes there is more than one possible interpretation of an action (I thought he'd seen me and was pulling over, whereas he hadn't seen me, and was preparing for a u-turn).
Discretion and caution are usually better than action.
Crashing sucks. Pain sucks even more.
Sometimes hurting to know you're alive isn't worth it...

[mono]

Ask any old person to share their views on the subject and they will tell you, "Drive/ride like everyone else on the road is an idiot and is trying to hit you". We have all been told this so why do these idiots still upset us. If you put yourself in the same time and space as another motorist, chances are that they will do something to disrupt your driving pleasure, but you can't get mad because this stops you from learning the lesson, "DRIVE/RIDE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ON THE ROAD IS AN IDIOT AND IS TRYING TO HIT YOU :niceone: ". Most drivers are at the limits of their driving ability at 80kph and having to deal with working the faster peddle, the slower pedal, steering and looking out the window is ALL they can manage. So if you start to feel sorry for these inadequate people and give them the space and understanding they need none of these complete WANKERS can hurt you. :headbang:

[Marmoot]

hmm.....anger I sense.
Careful you must be! Anger leads to hatred.....and hatred...leads to the darkside. :no:
Patience you must have
Drink now I need.......

[John]

hmm.....anger I sense.
Careful you must be! Anger leads to hatred.....and hatred...leads to the darkside. :no:
Patience you must have
Drink now I need.......
give me the sp1 you must...

[FROSTY]

"DRIVE/RIDE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ON THE ROAD IS AN IDIOT AND IS TRYING TO HIT YOU :
gee wizz I wonder where that came from??
For the past two years Ive been saying this. Pleas please lord let this sink in.
IT DOESN'T FUCKEN MATTER WHO'S RIGHT OR WHO'S WRONG.
YOU MR INDIGNANT ARE THE ONE WHO IS DEAD.
Heres a quick reality check folks -the general population doesn't give a shit about bikers and never will.
Ya just have to accept that and move on

[Ghost Lemur]

gee wizz I wonder where that came from??
For the past two years Ive been saying this. Pleas please lord let this sink in.
IT DOESN'T FUCKEN MATTER WHO'S RIGHT OR WHO'S WRONG.
YOU MR INDIGNANT ARE THE ONE WHO IS DEAD.
Heres a quick reality check folks -the general population doesn't give a shit about bikers and never will.
Ya just have to accept that and move on

Got to agree.

It's the main lesson I learnt from being here and saved me a hell of a lot of pain (or worse) when I had my accident.
On the point of general population of cagers not giving a shit. I think that's a "good thing", could you imagine all those fools on bikes? The mortality rate would hit the roof and we'd see even worse/stupider restrictions and attention. Not to mention what it would do to our insurance and registration costs.

Keep 'em in cages.

[Lou Girardin]

[QUOTE=vifferman]Y'know Lou, at the end of the day, it's MY responsibility to make sure I'm safe - I can't rely on anyone else to look out for my safety (especially in D'Auckland).
QUOTE]

Quite right, but I thought you were taking a legal point of view.

[vifferman]

Quite right, but I thought you were taking a legal point of view.
Are you accusing me of being a lawyer, Lou? :Pokey:

[Marmoot]

give me the sp1 you must...

You don't need my SP1.....
This is not the SP1 you want.....
Carry on.....
:nono:
*waving hand around pretending doing Jedi mind trick*

[Flyingpony]

Whats more fun is riding up beside the car and opening the door, fuck that freaks them out :D

Not all cars have their doors unlocked. I know of cars which will automatically self-lock the doors once moving at more than 20km/hr and the electrics won't permit any door to be unlocked as long as it's above that speed.

[N4CR]

Not all cars have their doors unlocked. I know of cars which will automatically self-lock the doors once moving at more than 20km/hr and the electrics won't permit any door to be unlocked as long as it's above that speed.

Yeah up in northland where John is from they dont have new cars.. if they do they wont exactly have a functioning security system :rofl: :rofl:

I just pull the fingers at people.. I'm yet to elevate to the more interesting responses... door would be good though :D

[Flyingpony]

There's lots of talk about kicking doors, hitting mirrors or carrying weapons.
Have we forgotten our #1 weapon: the horn.

I use my horn to great effect when it's required. If the driver didn't see me, I make sure they hear me. Once on, it'll stay on till I'm noticed by the offending driver or they cancel their manoeuvre. It's a loud horn too, so everybody around me hears it. Instinctively even the innocent driver will move over a fraction so I often get some more breathing space. Hope the horn on my next bike is just as loud.

[vifferman]

Hope the horn on my next bike is just as loud.
No need to hope - just make it loud.
The VFR750 I used to have had a typical squeaky Japanese bike horn, so I bought another one, hooked them both up via a relay wired directly to the battery, and voila! (or viola, if you're musical) - a horn that was "OW! Dad, never ever do that again!!" loud. Almost driver-punishing loud. Certainly got their attention, and I made sure it got everyone else's attention if someone violated my space, by holding the button down until people turned to see what the miscreant was up to.

[justsomeguy]

Not all cars have their doors unlocked. I know of cars which will automatically self-lock the doors once moving at more than 20km/hr and the electrics won't permit any door to be unlocked as long as it's above that speed.

Don't have to open it - just handling it will give most people a fright.....

bout folding in mirrors - some cars have rather stiff ones....:mad:

[chickenfunkstar]

There's lots of talk about kicking doors, hitting mirrors or carrying weapons.
Have we forgotten our #1 weapon: the horn.

I use my horn to great effect when it's required. If the driver didn't see me, I make sure they hear me. Once on, it'll stay on till I'm noticed by the offending driver or they cancel their manoeuvre. It's a loud horn too, so everybody around me hears it. Instinctively even the innocent driver will move over a fraction so I often get some more breathing space. Hope the horn on my next bike is just as loud.

I can hardly ever find the damn horn when I need it.
Anyone else have this problem?
I've managed to hit the starter botton a few times in anger though (funny afterwards but not at the time). :lol:
Grrrr..

[John]

There's lots of talk about kicking doors, hitting mirrors or carrying weapons.
Have we forgotten our #1 weapon: the horn.

I use my horn to great effect when it's required. If the driver didn't see me, I make sure they hear me. Once on, it'll stay on till I'm noticed by the offending driver or they cancel their manoeuvre. It's a loud horn too, so everybody around me hears it. Instinctively even the innocent driver will move over a fraction so I often get some more breathing space. Hope the horn on my next bike is just as loud.
Horns on bikes are lame, I tried it once, No body even looked at me :|.

[Biff]

.."DRIVE/RIDE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ON THE ROAD IS AN IDIOT AND IS TRYING TO HIT YOU ..

The oldest rule in the book for any cage or biker operative.
Defensive driving/riding - always :yes:

As for getting one over on idiot cage drivers, spare change in the jacket pocket is a good one. When provoked, and where safe to do so, overtake said offensive cage fkwit:
1. Insert hand into bike jacket.
2. Collect an amount of small denomination loose change.
3. Remove hand containing said loose change from bike jacket.
4. Throw loose change over shoulder, aimed at said offensive fkwit’s motorised vehicle.
5. Accelerate with much vigour.
6. Smile.

Works just as well with small stones kids :2thumbsup

[justsomeguy]

The oldest rule in the book for any cage or biker operative.
Defensive driving/riding - always :yes:

As for getting one over on idiot cage drivers, spare change in the jacket pocket is a good one. When provoked, and where safe to do so, overtake said offensive cage fkwit:
1. Insert hand into bike jacket.
2. Collect an amount of small denomination loose change.
3. Remove hand containing said loose change from bike jacket.
4. Throw loose change over shoulder, aimed at said offensive fkwit’s motorised vehicle.
5. Accelerate with much vigour.
6. Smile.

Works just as well with small stones kids :2thumbsup

Man you're a rich bugger....:Punk:

Why not carry a 50 cent coin..... biggest coin ...... and use it to key the bastards window.... door will probably be too low.............

I'm still with "try opening door"......:clap:

why do i think one of us is gonna get our arse kicked one of these days.........:whistle:

[DingDong]

Its stuck to my subframe...With clips....

And got Crazy Steve name on it...:)

Use it to.....The last time I got 3years.... :mad:

Your crazy arnt you Steve... I carry a golf ball :devil2:

[myvice]

Heck yeah mate.....:Punk:

By the way how did you make the dent?? A kick out to the side ???Ok... you lift your leg till your thigh is about parallel with the ground, then you want to kick out and down while slighty leaning the bike into the kick so when you hit the target you dont push yourself over or away. If you miss... well, dont miss, not good. Try for the center of the door.
General self defence info:
If some scary, large, unhappy with you and wants to inflict pain and suffering type person is getting out of his car, you can use pretty much the same technique, just wait till he has a foot on the ground (still in the car) and aim just below the door handle. Done correctly he wont give chase, screem "AUGGHH!!! My leg! you broke my f@%king leg!" yes, but no chasing
We teach this to our students on our self defence nights, I haven't had to use this but reports are that it works very very well.
(angry young lady, good fighter tho)

[hXc]

Something happened today, well at 7:10 this morning to be pedantic, happily riding along the Great South Rd on my way to the motorway a gentleman (I wont call him a mindless troglodite as that may be seen as petty and mean, I am but dont want to come across as that) undertook me, so what? nothing new there...
But there was a car infront of me so as he had nowhere to go he just pushed me into on-coming traffic, while eating his breakfast pie.
A bigger person would have just backed off and let him go, I'm not a big person so I gave his car a size 9 dent in the drivers door and fucked off smartly for two reasons.
1: The afore-mentioned traffic.
2: lots of nutters on all sorts of strange chemicals out there and I didnt need to find out that he hasn't slept since May and his pie's cold. But heres the reason behind this, I'm not a large guy by any means, but I can 1:Run fast, and 2:Defend myself if need be (martial arts, but prefer option 1 cause theres less paper work).
So just a thought before you remove the mirror, kick the door, firebomb the 4x4 wank tank or tell the U.S. "Hey guys, Osama lives here!" That maybe discretion is the better part of valour.
I dont know, my act this morning probably wasn't the smartest move, and the mirror on Monday on the Southern (Bad week so far) could have used a little more of the oh well, shit happens, type thinking. Many of us dont do this sort of anti-social/self-defence call it what you will type behavior, and I know many do, the thing is the other non bike riding road users do make mistakes, and these mistakes can cost us our lives and limbs, giving the cage a rattle may just infuriate the sheep inside and not educate them that thay aren't alone on our roads and looking really is a good idea. To sumarize:
The bastard this morning had it coming and rightly or wrongly I'd do it again. However, maybe a tap on the window of the car that moved into my lane on Monday would have been a more gentle reminder that he has a window and to use it, cheaper than a new mirror. I've been riding on-road for about 15 years and don't consider myself a "newbie" any more, (Dont take offence at this if you are starting out, we where all newbie's once and we are ALL still learning) Maybe I'm gaining maturity (I hope not) Who knows? Any way, your views/comments are welcome. Lets see what hornets nest I've stirred up.

Good job for booting his car. I would have done the same. Except it would be a 10.

[Wolf]

If some scary, large, unhappy with you and wants to inflict pain and suffering type person is getting out of his car, you can use pretty much the same technique, just wait till he has a foot on the ground (still in the car) and aim just below the door handle. Done correctly he wont give chase, screem "AUGGHH!!! My leg! you broke my f@%king leg!" yes, but no chasing
I figured that one out for myself - never had to use it so far even during my "misspent youth".

While often tempted to boot the driver's door in, I've never done so. In my early days it was because I figured I'd fall off the bike in the attempt. These days it's because I am mindful that I am on a motorbike and the arsehole has nearly a ton of weapon at his disposal.

Once I blasted an inconsiderate motorist with my horn only to then discover he was a Mongrel Mob member. I then noted that he was giving chase and he tried to ram me with his car.

I was "armed" with a GT50 - not exactly an imposing bike unless your opponent is riding a step-through. Only some pretty adroit braking and manouevring saved me that day.

I am mindful that even people who are totally in the wrong may become enraged at having this pointed out to them and behave in an unpredictable fashion - they won't all go "Oops, fuck, nearly hit him, Christ I'm a dumb fuck" and learn. Some of them may decide that they are going to have a piece of that upstart bastard on the bike who dared deride their "superb" driving skills or question their "right" to do anything they like on the road.

That being said, I still use the horn (buying a car horn from the wreckers is a good way to upgrade from the pissy japper bike horns, if your bike is 12V - I found a Triumph Herald horn got noticed when mounted on my Zundapp) and I use "hand signals" - I'm just not prepared to escalate it much further than that lest the arsehole decides that his suspension can cope with a mere motorcycle and rider...

[Biff]

Man you're a rich bugger....:Punk:


Not me - I use small denomiation coins, and plenty of them, that way your chances of hitting the car, and putting the shits up the driver, as they;ve just done to you increases.



why do i think one of us is gonna get our arse kicked one of these days.........:whistle:

Never had my arse kicked in my life. As my father once taught me (former SAS, and was trained this way) - If you believe you wont win, talk, if talking wont work - run, as fast as you can. :drinkup:

[justsomeguy]

Never had my arse kicked in my life. As my father once taught me (former SAS, and was trained this way) - If you believe you wont win, talk, if talking wont work - run, as fast as you can. :drinkup:

Lucky you...... but one of us less fortunate and over confident monkeys may not be so lucky.....:whistle:

[Biff]

Lucky you...... but one of us less fortunate and over confident monkeys may not be so lucky.....:whistle:

Being a fast runner helps!

[Jackrat]

This is a really interesting thread.
We have other threads about Violence in NZ and how everybody is so sick of it ect ect,and now here's a thread promoting violence.
Well done folks.
You can't ride to save yourselfs an you blame the car drivers you should of seen coming a mile away.
Have any of you FW's ever wondered why it doesn't happen to some riders but it happens to you on a regluar basis. :weird: :weird: :weird:

[justsomeguy]

This is a really interesting thread.
We have other threads about Violence in NZ and how everybody is so sick of it ect ect,and now here's a thread promoting violence.
Well done folks.
You can't ride to save yourselfs an you blame the car drivers you should of seen coming a mile away.
Have any of you FW's ever wondered why it doesn't happen to some riders but it happens to you on a regluar basis. :weird: :weird: :weird:

Relax Jackrat - we are just "Having a rant":yes:

Nothing serious intended in this thread.....we aren't gonna form this crazy posse who go and attack cars or anything like that:nono:

Check my signature:yes:

[Skyryder]

Rule number two. Don't get mad on the road........................ever.

MV so you dented his car...............what's he going to do to you if he sees you again????????????????????

Read rule number two again and remember it.

Skyryder

[Ixion]

Relax Jackrat - we are just "Having a rant":yes:

Nothing serious intended in this thread.....we aren't gonna form this crazy posse who go and attack cars or anything like that:nono:

Check my signature:yes:

WHAT !!?? Y'mean I've been wasting my time following this thread, just waiting for the opportunity to sign up for a posse. Grumble grumble. Waste of time. Grumble.

Now how am I going to explain the holes in the sheets to Mrs Ixion, tell me that.

[justsomeguy]

WHAT !!?? Y'mean I've been wasting my time following this thread, just waiting for the opportunity to sign up for a posse. Grumble grumble. Waste of time. Grumble.


SHUT UP MAN!!! I thought it was supposed to be a secret.......I had even sourced the guns.....:no: