Passed 6F but still no licence! What's your advice?

[sidzstylez]

I recently got my Raro licence in Jan while on holiday there and wanted to see if I could convert it to a NZ full therefore bypassing the restricted waiting time. Been on my learners for 4 years and in that time have been riding almost everyday (approx 50000km)

Asked NZTA over phone as well as AA centre prior to applying for this - both said as long as you pass full practical should be fine.

Went for my full test yesterday - which I passed without any concern however the testing officer and branch manager both seemed suspicious and called up NZTA again - so now even though they have passed me (and given me written proof) - my licence will not be released until I obtain a Police confirmation of licence and what I did to obtain this!

Called up the appropriate person in Raro police station - they did not seem interested in doing so - stating they usually will not write these letters for overseas drivers. I went through the usual tourist route and was observed riding at a bike hire place rather than the police station.

After calling up NZTA (again) I asked them what will happen if I cannot get this letter (considering I have met the 6F standard) and they did not even want to go there :facepalm:

I will attempt to get this letter from the Raro Police however what can/should I do if I can't?

Any advice?

[blackdog]

I recently got my Raro licence in Jan while on holiday there and wanted to see if I could convert it to a NZ full therefore bypassing the restricted waiting time. Been on my learners for 4 years and in that time have been riding almost everyday (approx 50000km)

Asked NZTA over phone as well as AA centre prior to applying for this - both said as long as you pass full practical should be fine.

Went for my full test yesterday - which I passed without any concern however the testing officer and branch manager both seemed suspicious and called up NZTA again - so now even though they have passed me (and given me written proof) - my licence will not be released until I obtain a Police confirmation of licence and what I did to obtain this!

Called up the appropriate person in Raro police station - they did not seem interested in doing so - stating they usually will not write these letters for overseas drivers. I went through the usual tourist route and was observed riding at a bike hire place rather than the police station.

After calling up NZTA (again) I asked them what will happen if I cannot get this letter (considering I have met the 6F standard) and they did not even want to go there :facepalm:

I will attempt to get this letter from the Raro Police however what can/should I do if I can't?

Any advice?

you went for your full test and passed? so whats the fucking problem?

have you asked them what they want you to do as an alternative to passing your full license test?

get a lawyer.

bearing in mind you are trying to bypass the system. why did you not get a license here considering you have done 50,000 km?

maybe you should suck it up and do what every other NZer has to do to get a license. as much as we all slag them off the system is there for a reason and i am glad that licenses don't come in ricies packets.

i am in two minds about this but just fucking get over it and you really should have been through the system as required in the first place just like everyone else.

[miloking]

So do i understand this right, they took your money, made you take a time from your day to ride around for an hour...then said you passed ok. And now they are asking for some letter from god knows where, they didnt tell you about before you sat the practical test????

As mentioned before get advice from lawyer as it seems to me that AA is trying to fuck you over on this....

[blackdog]

So do i understand this right, they took your money, made you take a time from your day to ride around for an hour...then said you passed ok. And now they are asking for some letter from god knows where, they didnt tell you about before you sat the practical test????

As mentioned before get advice from lawyer as it seems to me that AA is trying to fuck you over on this....

you should listen to MK, he is an expert on these things.

[YellowDog]

Perhaps you missed the subtle request for a bribe ?

[baptist]

:shit: I think if you get your licence they will be setting a dangerous precedent, you have the experience as well but many people coming back from Raro have a few weeks on a moped, they get lucky and pass the full test and off they go... Nah don't seem right to me...:no:

[Taz]

Just get on Word and make yourself a letter from the Raro police. Easy.

[MSTRS]

Seems off, but bucking the system...

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[bsasuper]

well, that'yll teach ya then for trying to take a shortcut, start all over:violin:

[BMWST?]

so basically you still got a restricted license cos yoa havent done ya six months....?

[FJRider]

So ... why did you not sit the restricted / full licence sooner ... ???? :blink:

[CookMySock]

Went for my full test yesterday - which I passed without any concern however the testing officer and branch manager both seemed suspicious and called up NZTA again - so now even though they have passed me (and given me written proof)If you have the written proof, well, you have the written proof.

Also they made you a promise (hopefully in writing), so promissory estoppel may apply - from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estoppel

Simply put, promissory estoppel has four necessary elements which the plaintiff must prove:

1.) there was a promise (pass this test and you get your 6F)
2.) that was reasonably relied upon
3.) resulting legal detriment to the promisee
4.) justice requires enforcement of the promise

If it were me, I'd remind them of the above and that any other conditions were at least required to be disclosed and then provide an address to mail the license, and then I would go about my business as usual.

In the end, it comes back to how much you are prepared to stand up to them.

[skippa1]

sorry dude, been down this track. They are wise to it. They know that the Raro test is a matter of "pay the cash" and ride around the block. It has been flagged at NZTA and LTSA. You cant get away with it, I tried and had to do the whole thing. Just sit it and be legal like I had to.

[skippa1]

PS, in most cases, they allow it from other countries, but not Raro. I tried and their test is not sufficient. You have to do the NZ one......sorry.....

[skippa1]

PPS, you didnt pass your 6F, you passed a Raro licence, and this has been identified by NZ authotities as a bull shit test. Get your NZ licence like everyone else had to.

[Drunken Monkey]

The point is they entered a contract and failed to deliver. I don't have a problem with the authority making a ruling that passing the Raro test is not a valid prerequisite, the issue is they take your money and pass you before denying delivery of license. You should be informed beforehand that this process cannot be completed if this is the case.

[skippa1]

The point is they entered a contract and failed to deliver. I don't have a problem with the authority making a ruling that passing the Raro test is not a valid prerequisite, the issue is they take your money and pass you before denying delivery of license. You should be informed beforehand that this process cannot be completed if this is the case.

Sorry, thats bullshit. Raro police are not at all interested in NZ licence requirements, only their own and the reality, for them it is only about revenue. They have no obligation to provide a shortcut to an NZ full licence.

[FJRider]

They have no obligation to provide a shortcut to an NZ full licence.

Anybody that thinks a "Raro Licence" is a justified qualification for a 6F in New Zealand ... is deluded.

The best the OP can hope for is a refund of testing the fee ...

[CookMySock]

Raro police are not at all interested in NZ licence requirements, only their own and the reality, for them it is only about revenue. They have no obligation to provide a shortcut to an NZ full licence.I understood he did the 6F test in NZ under the promise that if he passed it then he passed it. If that is the case, then they should hand the license over forthwith.

[miloking]

you should listen to MK, he is an expert on these things.

WTF are you babbling on about?

They are goverment authority and promised him Full licence upon payment/completion of the full test, so as far as he is concerned he met all the legal requirements and now they are trying to back out of their obligations.

And reasoning that Raro licence is easy to obtain is very irrelevant.....

[skippa1]

I understood he did the 6F test in NZ under the promise that if he passed it then he passed it. If that is the case, then they should hand the license over forthwith.

Read the first sentance of the first post. He did it there....

[miloking]

Read the first sentance of the first post. He did it there....

Read the third paragraph, he passed 6F test in NZ....

[skippa1]

WTF are you babbling on about?

They are goverment authority and promised him Full licence upon payment/completion of the full test, so as far as he is concerned he met all the legal requirements and now they are trying to back out of their obligations.

And reasoning that Raro licence is easy to obtain is very irrelevant.....

Haha....what a load of shit. (sorry) they are the Cook Islands, they have no obligation to NZ as far as an NZ full licence is concerned, only a Cook Is one. You can argue it all you like, I have been here, did it myself and went through all the hoops. They wont recogbise a Cook Is test. NZ authorities know they put you on a 50cc scooter with no gears and ride around the block.....that is not the NZ standard.....

[oneofsix]

Read the first sentance of the first post. He did it there....

Read his 2nd and 3rd paragraphs, he did his full again here AFTER being told that is what was required to get his NZ full. So in essence the Raro Full only stood in for the NZ restricted.

[skippa1]

Read the third paragraph, he passed 6F test in NZ....

Fuck I dont care.....he is trying to bypass the NZ system and needs to get with the game.....you just cant. If you could, he would have.

[miloking]

Haha....what a load of shit. (sorry) they are the Cook Islands, they have no obligation to NZ as far as an NZ full licence is concerned, only a Cook Is one. You can argue it all you like, I have been here, did it myself and went through all the hoops. They wont recogbise a Cook Is test. NZ authorities know they put you on a 50cc scooter with no gears and ride around the block.....that is not the NZ standard.....

Nope but the rules are simple, if you are holder of full licence from any country you are elegible for F licence in NZ once you pass the full test and you effectively skip all this L and R bullshit...

[skippa1]

Read his 2nd and 3rd paragraphs, he did his full again here AFTER being told that is what was required to get his NZ full. So in essence the Raro Full only stood in for the NZ restricted.

As above, if he was able to, why cant he......cause he is trying to shortcut the system.

[skippa1]

Nope but the rules are simple, if you are holder of full licence from any country you are elegible for F licence in NZ once you pass the full test and you effectively skip all this L and R bullshit...

Why didnt they let him then? I said already, been here, they recognise that the test ISNT sufficisnt. He just has to do the legal thing. Hahaha.....theres no way around it. Justify it in some warped logic, but if he isnt allowed by law, it aint gonna happen....

[miloking]

Of course he is trying to short cut the system (like any sane person would as its the most retarded system ever)....iam not arguing that point.

But as a holder of licence from another country he was promised full NZ licence upon completion of practical test....

[skippa1]

Of course he is trying to short cut the system (like any sane person would as its the most retarded system ever)....iam not arguing that point.

But as a holder of licence from another country he was promised full NZ licence upon completion of practical test....

No he isnt. Not if he did it in the Cook Islands. How many times must I say, I have tried, they dont recognise it, they dont have to by law, if they did, they would. No one tried harder than I to do exactly this. I had to do the whole thing in NZ. He just has to bite the bullet and do it.

[musicman]

Far out some people need to learn to read! The issue right now isn't the fact that his licence was from Rarotonga, the issue right now is that he paid his fee HERE IN NEW ZEALAND for a full NZ licence, did the practical test HERE IN NEW ZEALAND, passed, and now they are denying him a licence. If NZTA didn't allow the overseas licence then they should have told him at the very beginning instead of taking his money and making him take the test!

[sidzstylez]

Looks like there's a bit of misunderstanding going on here...I sat the 6F practical here in NZ and passed after being advised this is all that I need to obtain a 6F licence.

Unfortunately I have no confirmation in writing that they would promise me a 6F licence on passing of the practical test in NZ. However, just having booked the test and being eligible for sitting the practical is confirmation that the staff thought it was appropriate at the time.

My understanding of the situation is:
- according to NZTA website, licences from countries not on the approved list are not able to be transferred unless you sit the appropriate practical test as well as theory test.
- Since Cook Islands don't have a graduated system, a motorbike licence is a FULL license NO matter what has been done to obtain it
- the appropriate test therefore would be a 6F
- My NZ 1F and 6L license should be proof that I have passed the theory component of the NZ standard
- the only thing remaining therefore to meet NZ standards is the 6F practical test
- surely if I have passed the 6F test, I meet all requirements to hold a 6F NZ licence

Surely if their concerns about the duration I have held the Cook Island licence are true I shouldn't have been able to pass the 6F test. If they expect this to happen then the strength of their practical test is poor and the whole system must be flawed.

Anyway I'm lucky as I have a friend over there on holiday and he has been able to push the police station into sending me the official letter urgently. However I have a feeling that the NZTA will not be happy no matter what the letter contains.

I also have a few practicing lawyer friends who may be able to have a look at the situation.

I wouldn't have been annoyed if they had told me that this conversion was not possible, however finding out that you cannot get your licence which you passed the test for is just plain idiotic.

If they just put me on my restricted they should expect a request for refund of the difference in test fees, reimbursement for time off work and a few other costs too.

Thanks for your opinions, some have been constructive and those are appreciated.

[skippa1]

Far out.....I should learn to read. You fight the buggers - youre right.:facepalm: and I am wrong:shit:dont tell my wife for gods sake....

[BIG DOUG]

SO you have had your learners for 4 years and not bothered to sit the nz license WHY.

[sinned]

I understood he did the 6F test in NZ under the promise that if he passed it then he passed it. If that is the case, then they should hand the license over forthwith.


WTF are you babbling on about?

They are goverment authority and promised him Full licence upon payment/completion of the full test, so as far as he is concerned he met all the legal requirements and now they are trying to back out of their obligations.

And reasoning that Raro licence is easy to obtain is very irrelevant.....


Of course he is trying to short cut the system (like any sane person would as its the most retarded system ever)....iam not arguing that point.

But as a holder of licence from another country he was promised full NZ licence upon completion of practical test....


Far out some people need to learn to read! The issue right now isn't the fact that his licence was from Rarotonga, the issue right now is that he paid his fee HERE IN NEW ZEALAND for a full NZ licence, did the practical test HERE IN NEW ZEALAND, passed, and now they are denying him a licence. If NZTA didn't allow the overseas licence then they should have told him at the very beginning instead of taking his money and making him take the test!

You got a weetbix packet license and here is weetbix packet legal advice. Expert legal advice from KB - what a fuckin joke.
You tried to scam the system which sets a minimum standard (be that too low) and missed out. I hope you take it all the way and exhaust all legal options and your own funds; just don't ask for legal aid as I am already paying too much tax.

[musicman]

Wow... The inability of this so-called "English speaking country"'s people to read English amazes me...

Never in my post did I pretend, or even attempt, to give legal advice, nor did I even say I agree with what the OP is trying to do. Conversion from a Raro licence has been tried before and there are threads on here about it. It doesn't work, the Raro licence is a joke. However, NZTA should have told the OP in the beginning instead of taking his money and making him do the test.

Imagine getting (buying) one of those online "university degrees", then taking that to the University of Auckland to cross-credit for a degree there. They tell you ok, all you need to do is this paper, so you take it and pass, then at the end suddenly the university says oh actually we don't accept your original degree for cross-crediting.

I'm not defending the OP's actions as he was trying to cheat the system, BUT I do feel that he should not have been led on by NZTA who have taken his money and wasted his time. I'm sure anyone in his situation would feel a bit miffed.

[FJRider]

I'm not defending the OP's actions as he was trying to cheat the system, BUT I do feel that he should not have been led on by NZTA who have taken his money and wasted his time. I'm sure anyone in his situation would feel a bit miffed.

Considering the OP has spent 4 years on a learners licence ... he is/was wasting his own time ... by not doing the restricted/full licence sooner. He is either lacking the ability or confidence to sit the test(s) ... or just too lazy to do them.

Either way ... I have no sympathy for him ...

[sil3nt]

Considering the OP has spent 4 years on a learners licence ... he is/was wasting his own time ... by not doing the restricted/full licence sooner. He is either lacking the ability or confidence to sit the test(s) ... or just too lazy to do them.

Either way ... I have no sympathy for him ...But he just passed the 6F test. You can't do that without ability or confidence! (im not even sure myself if that is sarcasm or not :shifty:)

But he has proven to a tester that he meets the riding ability required to obtain a full license and has paid his fees so he should get it.

[bsasuper]

Its quite simple, you should have done all the tests in NZ,and you took someones word that a useless bit of paper from raro should be ok, it does not matter if you paid for and passed a 6f test in NZ,its not complete so not valid.The blame is 50/50 here, 50 on you for trying to diddle the system, and 50 on the testers not knowing the rules.

[FJRider]

But he just passed the 6F test. You can't do that without ability or confidence! (im not even sure myself if that is sarcasm or not :shifty:)

But he has proven to a tester that he meets the riding ability required to obtain a full license and has paid his fees so he should get it.

Only the test part of the 6F licence requirement ... NOT the time on learners/restricted ... or a licence transfer from a legitimate country of origin.

At least he knows he can pass the 6F test ... if he ever gets around to sitting it ... again ... :killingme

ps: there are some things you can be sure of ... ::msn-wink:

[tigertim20]

I recently got my Raro licence in Jan while on holiday there and wanted to see if I could convert it to a NZ full therefore bypassing the restricted waiting time. Been on my learners for 4 years and in that time have been riding almost everyday (approx 50000km)

Asked NZTA over phone as well as AA centre prior to applying for this - both said as long as you pass full practical should be fine.

Went for my full test yesterday - which I passed without any concern however the testing officer and branch manager both seemed suspicious and called up NZTA again - so now even though they have passed me (and given me written proof) - my licence will not be released until I obtain a Police confirmation of licence and what I did to obtain this!

Called up the appropriate person in Raro police station - they did not seem interested in doing so - stating they usually will not write these letters for overseas drivers. I went through the usual tourist route and was observed riding at a bike hire place rather than the police station.

After calling up NZTA (again) I asked them what will happen if I cannot get this letter (considering I have met the 6F standard) and they did not even want to go there :facepalm:

I will attempt to get this letter from the Raro Police however what can/should I do if I can't?

Any advice?

someone will correct me if im wrong, or this has changed, but as I understood it:
There is a list of countries, whose licences can be directly ransferred to a new zealand licence. e.g. aussie, usa, england etc are on that list, so if you come here from a place on that list, you can basically directly convert your licence over.

I beleive that raro, along with most of the small island nations were removed from the list a few years ago to stop people doing exactly what you are doing, bypassing an already piss-easy NZ licencing test by going to a place where its actually easier than it is here to get a licence.
Id say youre gonna be out of luck.

The written confirmation of passing a pratical will probably mean nothing. If you pass the practical, but fail the eye test, you would NOT have passed the licence, so basicaaly I would expect the answer to be 'You must fulfill ALL facets of the test, and you have not done so'.
I may be wrong.
good luck!

[FJRider]

I may be wrong.
good luck!

You're not ...

[miloking]

You got a weetbix packet license and here is weetbix packet legal advice. Expert legal advice from KB - what a fuckin joke.
You tried to scam the system which sets a minimum standard (be that too low) and missed out. I hope you take it all the way and exhaust all legal options and your own funds; just don't ask for legal aid as I am already paying too much tax.

Hmm..why dont you get fucked, how is that for legal advice...

[madbikeboy]

Jesus. H. Christ.

You fuckers need to get a life.

Why can't we all just get along...?:spanking:

[Smifffy]

You passed the test bit, but you didn't qualify for the other parts of the equation.

Either get busy sorting it out, or get busy doing another 4 years on your R.

[skippa1]

someone will correct me if im wrong, or this has changed, but as I understood it:
There is a list of countries, whose licences can be directly ransferred to a new zealand licence. e.g. aussie, usa, england etc are on that list, so if you come here from a place on that list, you can basically directly convert your licence over.

I beleive that raro, along with most of the small island nations were removed from the list a few years ago to stop people doing exactly what you are doing, bypassing an already piss-easy NZ licencing test by going to a place where its actually easier than it is here to get a licence.
Id say youre gonna be out of luck.


The written confirmation of passing a pratical will probably mean nothing. If you pass the practical, but fail the eye test, you would NOT have passed the licence, so basicaaly I would expect the answer to be 'You must fulfill ALL facets of the test, and you have not done so'.
I may be wrong.
good luck!

ahaaaa!!:wings: Thats what I was trying to say.:bleh: There is no way around it, you got bad advice, even if it was from some official.

[CookMySock]

you got bad advice, even if it was from some official.In the end, the question was asked as a genuine attempt by a member of the public to resolve some legal or practical situation and his advice was supposedly reliable since he is (supposedly) an industry expert, so if you may not reasonably act on his advice, then whose?

In hindsight, he may not like the advice he gave but the fact of the matter is he made a binding contract with the enquirer and thats tough titty.

[oneofsix]

He should at least get the 6R.
However after asking 2 people in the official capacity and being told he qualified to sit the 6F and having his application for the 6F accepted (the acceptance of the application could the most important part) then they made a contract to test him for the 6F and if he past give it to him.
Remember you do the eye test before the drive so that argument doesn't hold water.
He could try talk to citizens advice.

[Bassmatt]

He should at least get the 6R.
However after asking 2 people in the official capacity and being told he qualified to sit the 6F and having his application for the 6F accepted (the acceptance of the application could the most important part) then they made a contract to test him for the 6F and if he past give it to him.
Remember you do the eye test before the drive so that argument doesn't hold water.
He could try talk to citizens advice.

Not that i would know but I agree wiyh this. They have accepted your application and taken your money therefore entering into a contract with you.
They are now breaking the contract.
Take em to the fucken cleaners mate.

[Drunken Monkey]

Sorry, thats bullshit. Raro police are not at all interested in NZ licence requirements, only their own and the reality, for them it is only about revenue. They have no obligation to provide a shortcut to an NZ full licence.

You've got my statement the wrong way around.

I mean here, the NZ authority shouldn't have tested him if he didn't have the right pre-requisites. It's no different to getting him to sit and pass the test without providing proof of address, then not giving him a license because proof of address wasn't supplied. Tell him to come back later with proof of address (or in his specific case, the correct testing prerequisites) and sit it then, not "thanks for your money, but you fucked up see ya later".

[Drunken Monkey]

Nope but the rules are simple, if you are holder of full licence from any country you are elegible for F licence in NZ once you pass the full test and you effectively skip all this L and R bullshit...

Not any country, there is a list of approved countries on the Land Transport web site. I'm pretty sure Cook Is. is no longer on it.

[avgas]

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Eyegasm]

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

+1

10 friggin char

[R-Soul]

ahaaaa!!:wings: Thats what I was trying to say.:bleh: There is no way around it, you got bad advice, even if it was from some official.

Dont expect any reparations from NZ government based on avice given to you verbally by their own officials. I took to heart advice received from the immigration helpline - advice for sorting my immigration visas and residency applications. They they gave me bad advice, which ended up screwing me for a couple of $$grand and two additional years before I could get my permanent residency.

Whatever you do with the NZ government, get it in writing, and signed up to ministerial level. And even that didn't seem to help the Maoris much... :bleh:

[Smifffy]

Dont expect any reparations from NZ government based on avice given to you verbally by their own officials. I took to heart advice received from the immigration helpline - advice for sorting my immigration visas and residency applications. They they gave me bad advice, which ended up screwing me for a couple of $$grand and two additional years before I could get my permanent residency.

Whatever you do with the NZ government, get it in writing, and signed up to ministerial level. And even that didn't seem to help the Maoris much... :bleh:

Yup same story for the Moll. Go back to em say "you gave us a bum steer" they are like "orly? sux 2b u"