Random police checkpoint

[disenfranchised]

Leaving work yesterday (not on the bike at the time) I walked past what looked like some kind of random police checkpoint targetting bikers.
This is in the middle of rush hour traffic on Symonds St in Auckland.
There were 2x police bikes on the footpath, and about 3x cars down the side road St Martins Lane.
I saw about 5 bikers pulled over...all of which seemed to be smaller bikes, or ones with L plates.

Anyone know what was going on?

[Buyasta]

Probably an ACC checkpoint like this one (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/135188-Albany-ACC-check-point-%2827-February%29).

[White trash]

Any decent biker stuck in a cage would have dropped a big fat burnout and taken the heat off the L-Platers........

[maggot]

Round what time?
I knew they'd start doing the checks around uni, just didn't know when or where.. Makes sense really.

[nodrog]

No way? Police are now randomly checking Motorcyclists? When did this start happening?

Fanny.

[avgas]

No way? Police are now randomly checking Motorcyclists? When did this start happening?

Fanny.
Tuesday. After donuts.

[nodrog]

Tuesday. After donuts.

Dunkin?

Fanny.

[ttmadness]

Fuck them all... we've already got it hard enough as poor students.

My mate got fined 600 dollars on his first day of uni... bike over 250cc, no L plate, learners license and no rego, wof ''invalid'' because of tyres apparently. Another guy he knew got 400 for wof expired 2 days ago and no reflector.

Bloody hard times already and the cunts show no mercy.

[C.Linnell]

They'll ask: "why aren't you wearing a high-vis jacket?". To which you reply "why aren't you stopping the three cars that just cut me off without checking that their lane was clear?"

[maggot]

Fuck them all... we've already got it hard enough as poor students.

My mate got fined 600 dollars on his first day of uni... bike over 250cc, no L plate, learners license and no rego, wof ''invalid'' because of tyres apparently. Another guy he knew got 400 for wof expired 2 days ago and no reflector.

Bloody hard times already and the cunts show no mercy.

Well in all honesty, sounds like he was lining up for that one. Common sense will get you a mile. Sucks for him, but maybe he'll wise up and stick to some basic rules.

[Smifffy]

Fuck them all... we've already got it hard enough as poor students.

My mate got fined 600 dollars on his first day of uni... bike over 250cc, no L plate, learners license and no rego, wof ''invalid'' because of tyres apparently. Another guy he knew got 400 for wof expired 2 days ago and no reflector.

Bloody hard times already and the cunts show no mercy.

So does this mate plan on riding the same bike in again tomorrow?

Just think of it as exam, except in the real world, where there are sometimes actual consequences for when you fail.

[bogan]

They'll ask: "why aren't you wearing a high-vis jacket?". To which you reply "why aren't you stopping the three cars that just cut me off without checking that their lane was clear?"

or, explain that high vis only works in the same situations as a headlight should, 60W of fury baby! It does fuck all against visual obstructions and piss poor cager judgement (often caused by motion camouflage). It is far better to ride defensively with the knowledge that a active mind will be of far more use than a colorful/shiny bit of cloth.

[Smifffy]

They'll ask: "why aren't you wearing a high-vis jacket?". To which you reply "why aren't you stopping the three cars that just cut me off without checking that their lane was clear?"

Why and how did you pull me over if you couldn't see me?

I guess you must have been looking, or should that be targeting, bikes.

[trailblazer]

Fuck them all... we've already got it hard enough as poor students.

My mate got fined 600 dollars on his first day of uni... bike over 250cc, no L plate, learners license and no rego, wof ''invalid'' because of tyres apparently. Another guy he knew got 400 for wof expired 2 days ago and no reflector.

Bloody hard times already and the cunts show no mercy.
so he broke 5 laws and your bitching about them doing there job. Sounds like he was lucky to only get a $600 fine and not walking.

[avgas]

Dunkin?
Fanny.
I dunno what loyalty card system cops run in NZ.
Possibly though.

[avgas]

"why aren't you wearing a high-vis jacket?"
"Oh shit! I'm not??? Fuck it must be here somewhere..."
//proceed to take off all your clothes//

[superman]

Round what time?
I knew they'd start doing the checks around uni, just didn't know when or where.. Makes sense really.

I don't have an L plate?! Or a WOF (well it runs till August or something but the actual WOF fell off along with one of my number plate screws).

Guess I'll just say my license is in my bag... it's a restricted I swear! You really going to make me try and find it? Wait what are you saying?! I have ear plugs on... :facepalm:

[Eyegasm]

Fuck them all... we've already got it hard enough as poor students.

My mate got fined 600 dollars on his first day of uni... bike over 250cc, no L plate, learners license and no rego, wof ''invalid'' because of tyres apparently. Another guy he knew got 400 for wof expired 2 days ago and no reflector.

Bloody hard times already and the cunts show no mercy.


So does this mate plan on riding the same bike in again tomorrow?

Just think of it as exam, except in the real world, where there are sometimes actual consequences for when you fail.

Best. Reply. Ever.

[Smifffy]

I don't have an L plate?! Or a WOF (well it runs till August or something but the actual WOF fell off along with one of my number plate screws).

Guess I'll just say my license is in my bag... it's a restricted I swear! You really going to make me try and find it? Wait what are you saying?! I have ear plugs on... :facepalm:

They will wait. They have all day, and apparently nothing much else to do.

Edit: It may even provide them with additional amusement.

[trailblazer]

I don't have an L plate?! Or a WOF (well it runs till August or something but the actual WOF fell off along with one of my number plate screws).

Guess I'll just say my license is in my bag... it's a restricted I swear! You really going to make me try and find it? Wait what are you saying?! I have ear plugs on... :facepalm:
You can get a new wof label you just have to go back to where it was issued and get a new one written out or a vtnz. If you have your last wof form that will help when you go to get a new label as well. The L plate i only used one for my restricted test but i was fortunate enough to not get caught. But seems like the police are targeting us a bit more now than what they were last year.

[Smifffy]

You can get a new wof label you just have to go back to where it was issued and get a new one written out or a vtnz. If you have your last wof form that will help when you go to get a new label as well. The L plate i only used one for my restricted test but i was fortunate enough to not get caught. But seems like the police are targeting us a bit more now than what they were last year.


Probably because they found out that there were cocks riding well outside their license conditions on clapped out no rego, no wof bikes with bald tyres.

:facepalm:

[ttmadness]

So does this mate plan on riding the same bike in again tomorrow?

Just think of it as exam, except in the real world, where there are sometimes actual consequences for when you fail.

Of course, it's the only way to keep on living for some of us broke as fuck students. It's just now he won't have any money to get that wof and rego that he was going to get anyway and consequently will have a very keen eye out for the filth. Fines are not the answer, it's just an evil regressive tax system.

Having said this though they have indeed reduced the fine per offence from 400 to 100 and instead increased demerits, which at least is on the right track.

It's us and them.

[firefighter]

Of course, it's the only transport for some of us broke as fuck students. It's just now he won't have any money to get that wof and rego that he was going to get anyway and consequently will have a very keen eye out for the filth. Fines are not the answer, it's just an evil regressive tax system.

It's us and them.

Actually, it's other road users and your mate.

No WOF. Bike cc rating outside of his proven ability, and to top it off bald tyres. What kind of leniency should he be shown? How many times have the cops heard "I was gonna get it next week au cuz".......It's not a surprise when this stuff comes up, it's called taking responsibility and forward thinking. If he can't afford to keep it running then he should get a smaller and therefore cheaper bike which meets the licence restrictions which are there for a reason.

The rego I could'nt care about, the rest, well, all safety issues so what a cock. Especially the tyres part that's just ignorance. He made his bed now he can lie in it.

[Whynot]

Of course, it's the only way to keep on living for some of us broke as fuck students.

you could always sell your arse on K road.

[Big Dave]

Actually, .... He made his bed now he can lie in it.

How did you get Oldrider's posts to show on your profile?????

[firefighter]

How did you get Oldrider's posts to show on your profile?????


Hahaha, is that a favourite of his?

[Big Dave]

Hahaha, is that a favourite of his?

Nah - just messin' with ya. Slightly reminiscent of the old coot though :-)

[Spearfish]

Fuck them all... we've already got it hard enough as poor students.

My mate got fined 600 dollars on his first day of uni... bike over 250cc, no L plate, learners license and no rego, wof ''invalid'' because of tyres apparently. Another guy he knew got 400 for wof expired 2 days ago and no reflector.

Bloody hard times already and the cunts show no mercy.

Thats kinda like being lined up in the sights of a cannon, offering a ball of your own shit and complaining about the resulting stink.

[ttmadness]

Actually, it's other road users and your mate.

. If he can't afford to keep it running then he should get a smaller and therefore cheaper bike which meets the licence restrictions which are there for a reason.



You couldn't be more wrong there. The 250 rule means the only decent 250cc bikes are overinflated, ageing pieces of shit. For 5 grand you can get a 1990 CBR250 that is simply falling apart. Or pay 7 or 8 and get a piece of shit Korean Hyobag. It's ludicrous and it's cheaper to get a quality bigger bike that will never let you down and won't fall apart on you.

The license rules are bullshit and you know it, arguing that makes you as bad as the paper pushers behind the desk that make them. Everyone knows the old 2 and 4 stroke 250cc's are faster and more dangerous to ride than a lot of bigger bikes out there and simply obliterate any ninja or hyobag. How can these bikes be ridden on the same license class? It's a crock of shit.

[firefighter]

You couldn't be more wrong there. The 250 rule means the only decent 250cc bikes are overinflated, ageing pieces of shit. For 5 grand you can get a 1990 CBR250 that is simply falling apart. Or pay 7 or 8 and get a piece of shit Korean Hyobag. It's ludicrous and it's cheaper to get a quality bigger bike that will never let you down and won't fall apart on you.

The license rules are bullshit and you know it, arguing that makes you as bad as the paper pushers behind the desk that make them. Everyone knows the old 2 and 4 stroke 250cc's are faster and more dangerous to ride than a lot of bigger bikes out there and simply obliterate any ninja or hyobag. How can these bikes be ridden on the same license class? It's a crock of shit.

Yep you are completely right. There is no reasoning, they're all too expensive and the current people are the only ones that have been there and done that, and no-one ever keeps their 250's........ This of-course http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-357738035.htm and this http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-358203925.htm are completely unreliable and no good for learning on, and you should be able to just ride a GSXR1000 from day one.

Smaller tyres are'nt cheaper either, neither is the rego cost of a bike under 600cc, nor is the fuel consumption........

Carry on. :rolleyes:

[trailblazer]

You couldn't be more wrong there. The 250 rule means the only decent 250cc bikes are overinflated, ageing pieces of shit. For 5 grand you can get a 1990 CBR250 that is simply falling apart. Or pay 7 or 8 and get a piece of shit Korean Hyobag. It's ludicrous and it's cheaper to get a quality bigger bike that will never let you down and won't fall apart on you.

The license rules are bullshit and you know it, arguing that makes you as bad as the paper pushers behind the desk that make them. Everyone knows the old 2 and 4 stroke 250cc's are faster and more dangerous to ride than a lot of bigger bikes out there and simply obliterate any ninja or hyobag. How can these bikes be ridden on the same license class? It's a crock of shit.
At least riding a 250 hyosung or a newish ninja would have saved him $600 everytime he gets pulled up. Then next you will be moaning he had to spent $100 on a pair of comfortable shoes to walk to uni in when he loses his licence next time. I have a friend who has just got a 1991 fzr250 for $2200 with 6 months reg and new wof with 27000ks on it. It is tidy and rides nice so how is that an over inflated price.

[maggot]

Leaving work yesterday (not on the bike at the time) I walked past what looked like some kind of random police checkpoint targetting bikers.
This is in the middle of rush hour traffic on Symonds St in Auckland.
There were 2x police bikes on the footpath, and about 3x cars down the side road St Martins Lane.
I saw about 5 bikers pulled over...all of which seemed to be smaller bikes, or ones with L plates.

Anyone know what was going on?

Also OP, were there any scootlings among the mix? Would be interested to know if they also get the good old chat/check up

[blackdog]

At least riding a 250 hyosung or a newish ninja would have saved him $600 everytime he gets pulled up. Then next you will be moaning he had to spent $100 on a pair of comfortable shoes to walk to uni in when he loses his licence next time. I have a friend who has just got a 1991 fzr250 for $2200 with 6 months reg and new wof with 27000ks on it. It is tidy and rides nice so how is that an over inflated price.

@ $2200 it wouldhave to be a fucking minter

i am currently buying up all the 400-660 soon to be lam approved machines that i can get my hands on. i am going to make a small fortune.

(for $2200 i can easily get tidy cbr and zxr 400's and fairly well kept 600 single bangers)

[Smifffy]

@ $2200 it wouldhave to be a fucking minter

i am currently buying up all the 400-660 soon to be lam approved machines that i can get my hands on. i am going to make a small fortune.

How?

From all the noobs that would rather buy an R6 and leave the L plate off?

:niceone:

[blackdog]

How?

From all the noobs that would rather buy an R6 and leave the L plate off?

:niceone:

just as many noobs would rather keep it legal

lams is a godsend for the entrepreneur

[ttmadness]

@ $2200 it wouldhave to be a fucking minter

i am currently buying up all the 400-660 soon to be lam approved machines that i can get my hands on. i am going to make a small fortune.

(for $2200 i can easily get tidy cbr and zxr 400's and fairly well kept 600 single bangers)

Good luck- I doubt it.

[blackdog]

Good luck- I doubt it.

lmao you should see my garage

feel free to come round for a coffee and assuage your doubts.

[ttmadness]

Fail. You have no idea about quite the amount of grey import bikes in that category around. Even in NZ. You will never corner the market.

[steve_t]

i am currently buying up all the 400-660 soon to be lam approved machines that i can get my hands on. i am going to make a small fortune.


Are you gonna sell them on trademe? How many bikes ya got? U might get labelled as a 'trader' and get pinged tax on your sales

[blackdog]

Are you gonna sell them on trademe? How many bikes ya got? U might get labelled as a 'trader' and get pinged tax on your sales

I am a licensed motor vehicle dealer.

[blackdog]

Fail. You have no idea about quite the amount of grey import bikes in that category around. Even in NZ. You will never corner the market.

thanks for your input racefactory. i have no ambitions to 'corner the market' as you put it. merely to have a good share of it.

[steve_t]

I am a licensed motor vehicle dealer.

Oh, sweet. All good then :niceone:

[trailblazer]

whats the bet that is put on the back burner now after the earthquake. Im sure the goverment has more important things to worry about at the moment so i hope you don't mind sitting on those bikes for a bit longer.

[blackdog]

whats the bet that is put on the back burner now after the earthquake. Im sure the goverment has more important things to worry about at the moment so i hope you don't mind sitting on those bikes for a bit longer.

you make sense. it was a 'backburner' plan anyway, i have no issues however long it takes. i did not say this was my sole source of income. (obvious to some)

[bogan]

whats the bet that is put on the back burner now after the earthquake. Im sure the goverment has more important things to worry about at the moment so i hope you don't mind sitting on those bikes for a bit longer.

Perhaps that's why he is advertising what he's up to. Get others interested in the market and make a quick buck before the new stuff even comes into effect! A diabolical genius of sorts :bleh:

[Smifffy]

thanks for your input racefactory. i have no ambitions to 'corner the market' as you put it. merely to have a good share of it.

Oh I'm so glad ttmadness is racefactory!


I thought the morons were multiplying...

[trailblazer]

you make sense. it was a 'backburner' plan anyway, i have no issues however long it takes. i did not say this was my sole source of income. (obvious to some)

well i hope you have good insight and it all works out for you in the long run.

[steve_t]

Oh I'm so glad ttmadness is racefactory!


I thought the morons were multiplying...

I thought racefactory was trademe900

[blackdog]

Perhaps that's why he is advertising what he's up to. Get others interested in the market and make a quick buck before the new stuff even comes into effect! A diabolical genius of sorts :bleh:

yup. place your orders now!

[blackdog]

I thought racefactory was trademe900

probably both. he does have issues with his own responsibilities.

[racefactory]

How much for a VFR400 blackdog?

[racefactory]

we just had a nice curry. will the leftovers be enough to feed the trolls?

as for what your bike is worth, i would have to see it. i am not as green as you are cabbage looking.

mate i wouldn't say no to a bit of that.

Well I was asking you, hoarder of lams motorcycles! I need a vfr400 please, what have you got in current stock?

[racefactory]

I'm wanting to buy one of your stock. as i've said....
























....I don't have one.

[racefactory]

lol i dont have a effin nc30, i'm after a couple in fact.

[blackdog]

i have a very nice rvf for you travelled less than 40kms. the price is $6700.

are you still interested?

anyone else can have it for $4700

[racefactory]

i have found a very nice rvf for you travelled less than 40kms. the price is $6700.

are you still interested?

well, since i take it you are joking around... id better warn you thats a perfectly normal price for one of those in good nick. how much did you get it for?

[racefactory]

what do you have in stock though? I have a real soft spot for jap grey imports, id be interested to see what you have collected.

[scracha]

Fines are not the answer, it's just an evil regressive tax system.

SNIP

It's us and them.

You and him are obviously too stupid to be at uni in a 1st world country....oh wait.....

[blackdog]

yawn and yawn

ttmad has been pm'd my numbers


will update all re wether he's all shit or not.

[racefactory]

na bro toll call soz cant afford it.

[Smifffy]

na bro toll call soz cant afford it.

But you can afford a $6500 bike?

[superman]

You can get a new wof label you just have to go back to where it was issued and get a new one written out or a vtnz. If you have your last wof form that will help when you go to get a new label as well. The L plate i only used one for my restricted test but i was fortunate enough to not get caught. But seems like the police are targeting us a bit more now than what they were last year.

I can get a wof label printed at VTNZ? I don't know where the last WOF was issued just somewhere in Levin, don't have the form from when it was done as it was a couple months before I bought the bike and he didn't oblige in sending it along with the bike. :rolleyes:

[superman]

But you can afford a $6500 bike?

Loans? :bleh:

[steve_t]

I can get a wof label printed at VTNZ? I don't know where the last WOF was issued just somewhere in Levin, don't have the form from when it was done as it was a couple months before I bought the bike and he didn't oblige in sending it along with the bike. :rolleyes:

I think you can. I'm pretty sure the WOFs are recorded on a national database these days. They shouldn't have an issue giving you a new sticker

[Smifffy]

Loans? :bleh:

To get a loan on a bike it needs to be insured. For insurance to mean anything it needs to have rego & wof up to date.

[superman]

To get a loan on a bike it needs to be insured. For insurance to mean anything it needs to have rego & wof up to date.

Personal loans? :bleh:

[Smifffy]

Personal loans? :bleh:

For poor hard up broke as fuck students that can't afford a new set of tyres?

[superman]

For poor hard up broke as fuck students that can't afford a new set of tyres?

My weekly pay would buy me a back tyre so it's all gooooood :msn-wink:

[Smifffy]

My weekly pay would buy me a back tyre so it's all gooooood :msn-wink:

Yeah but you weren't the one complaining about the price of a toll call to welly to check out a bike. You're just the one stirring shit.

[superman]

Yeah but you weren't the one complaining about the price of a toll call to welly to check out a bike. You're just the one stirring shit.

:eek: Why would you pay when you get free internet to e-mail at maccas?

I'm just saying maybe you shouldn't be judging him, some people don't want to spend a cent on phone calls but don't mind oodles on things they love. It's not a crazy mindset to have.

[bsasuper]

Anybody would think the popo have never had stops before, who gives a rats arse:sleep:

[FROSTY]

To get a loan on a bike it needs to be insured. For insurance to mean anything it needs to have rego & wof up to date.
ACTUALLY-Theres a recent case regarding insurance on a cage. It seems that although it did not have a current rego or wof this was not a contributing factor to the accident. As such the insurance company had to pay out

[trailblazer]

insurance companies get out of paying all the time at my work like that. If the car has no rego thats fine but if it has no wof it is deemed unsafe an therefore should not be on the road. And then there is the licence thing if he only has a restricted then the insurance has an out with riding outside his licence conditions. They will do anything to get out of paying.

[scumdog]

ACTUALLY-Theres a recent case regarding insurance on a cage. It seems that although it did not have a current rego or wof this was not a contributing factor to the accident. As such the insurance company had to pay out

And I bet the claim went through smoothly without delay?...:rolleyes:

[FJRider]

ACTUALLY-Theres a recent case regarding insurance on a cage. It seems that although it did not have a current rego or wof this was not a contributing factor to the accident. As such the insurance company had to pay out

Most Insurance companys now have it written into the policy that the vehicle is not covered if it does not have a current WOF/Rego ...

And the driver is not "under the influence" of alcohol or drugs ... that does not mean over the legal limit either ...

[scumdog]

Most Insurance companys now have it written into the policy that the vehicle is not covered if it does not have a current WOF/Rego ...

And the driver is not "under the influence" of alcohol or drugs ... that does not mean over the legal limit either ...

Yup, know of a case where "Fail Youth" reading on the tester had a big effect on a claim by a 23 year old.

[FROSTY]

And I bet the claim went through smoothly without delay?...:rolleyes:
Do they ever??

[Toaster]

insurance companies get out of paying all the time at my work like that. If the car has no rego thats fine but if it has no wof it is deemed unsafe an therefore should not be on the road. And then there is the licence thing if he only has a restricted then the insurance has an out with riding outside his licence conditions. They will do anything to get out of paying.

If people taking out insurance fail to meet all the conditions of the insurance policy contract, the insurer is entitled to withold any payout. It is the same as any kind of agreement - fail to meet the criteria and the deal is off. The message - know your contractual obligations.

Interesting how they allow a vehicle to not have a registration. Can anyone CONFIRM that you can renew a WOF without a current Registration? I had a feeling that you could not. Interesting to hear the result.

[FJRider]

You need a CURRENT WOF to get Registration ...

Vehicles can have their rego on hold ... and still be insured (But the insurance company must be informed of this). But will not be covered if it is used on the road at the time.

[steve_t]

If people taking out insurance fail to meet all the conditions of the insurance policy contract, the insurer is entitled to withold any payout. It is the same as any kind of agreement - fail to meet the criteria and the deal is off. The message - know your contractual obligations.

Interesting how they allow a vehicle to not have a registration. Can anyone CONFIRM that you can renew a WOF without a current Registration? I had a feeling that you could not. Interesting to hear the result.

Confirmed. You NEED to have a WOF to get a rego (vehicle licence), not the other way around

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicle/registration-licensing/licensing.html

[FJRider]

Confirmed. You NEED to have a WOF to get a rego (vehicle licence), not the other way around

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicle/registration-licensing/licensing.html

It USED to be the other way round ... a few of us older members may remember this ... :sleep:

[trailblazer]

yip it happens all the time. wof is all about weather or not the vehclie is fit for the road and rego is just a licence and acc fee. We get some pretty angry locals down here that take there frustration out on us instead of the insurance company.

[Toaster]

Confirmed. You NEED to have a WOF to get a rego (vehicle licence), not the other way around

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicle/registration-licensing/licensing.html


It USED to be the other way round ... a few of us older members may remember this ... :sleep:


No wonder I was confused.

It would be interesting to know how many insurance policies need both REG and WOF or just the WOF (AND be in a road worthy condition) to comply as far as these two points go.

[FJRider]

No wonder I was confused.

It would be interesting to know how many insurance policies need both REG and WOF or just the WOF (AND be in a road worthy condition) to comply as far as these two points go.

Standard policy means ... if either is required... both will be required ...

[spookytooth]

Saw on tv once { so it must be true } a wof isn't always required for insurance reasons BUT you will need to prove the bike/car is up to wof standards befor the crash,and that can be hard if shes a wreck

[MarkH]

Having said this though they have indeed reduced the fine per offence from 400 to 100 and instead increased demerits, which at least is on the right track.

Because it is better to accumulate some points and lose your license for 3 months than to pay a fine?

I'm not a big fan of demerits - you get punished when caught doing whatever then they come along and punish you a 2nd time because of a few points. Luckily I've not had any demerit points in the last couple of years, but I am still not keen on them.

[scumdog]

Because it is better to accumulate some points and lose your license for 3 months than to pay a fine?

I'm not a big fan of demerits - you get punished when caught doing whatever then they come along and punish you a 2nd time because of a few points. Luckily I've not had any demerit points in the last couple of years, but I am still not keen on them.

I hear you - but demerits fuck-up those so rich that a fine means nothing - or those who never pay fines.

[tigertim20]

Fuck them all... we've already got it hard enough as poor students.

My mate got fined 600 dollars on his first day of uni... bike over 250cc, no L plate, learners license and no rego, wof ''invalid'' because of tyres apparently. Another guy he knew got 400 for wof expired 2 days ago and no reflector.

Bloody hard times already and the cunts show no mercy.

Is that really how you see it? sounds like the kind of guy giving us a bad name really.

[trailblazer]

Is that really how you see it? sounds like the kind of guy giving us a bad name really.

sound a bit like the whole boy racer thing dosn't it ( its not our fault why is everyone picking on us we are keeping to ourselves) blah blah blah. If you don't want fines and the hassle with the law just keep your bike legal. simple

[Toaster]

I hear you - but demerits fuck-up those so rich that a fine means nothing - or those who never pay fines.

Only for some. You and I both know plenty of tossers out there that still drive or ride when suspended or disqualified.

I am all for seizure of assets and forfeiture to the crown, prison hard labour camps and a 10% flat tax rate for all New Zealanders and companies to generate growth and revenue through spending and saving.

Sorry, a tad off topic by the end there.

Flag the fines... they wipe them anyway. Double demerits and enforce vehicle loss or imprisonment for driving whilst suspended or disqualified.

Don't start me on crime.....:facepalm: