Please read this - anatomy of my crash

[Shiny side up]

Please read this and feel free to comment.

It is the anatomy of my crash.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000858279793#!/notes/duncan-reid/anatomy-of-a-real-crash/10150115244223304

[Mully]

What a sonofabitch.

It's a pity you can't press charges yourself (in addition to what plod will do to him)

[hayd3n]

glad you alive!!!
now find the fucker and get some $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
im pretty sure you can still get name and address in exchange for a couple of $ at the post shop

[hellokitty]

He will get off lightly...... get his address and send someone over to "talk" to him. People like this need to learn how dangerous their actions are, and how easily they can kill someone. Getting a fine or ticket will not teach this person the lesson he needs to learn.
And before everyone starts crying 'ooooh you can't do that".
This person did not stop, any normal decent person would have stopped. Oviously doesn't care at all for anyone but himself :devil2:

edit - hope shiny side up is okay

[onearmedbandit]

Good read but why make people sign into facebook (or join if they are not a member) to read it. Copy and paste it here.

[steve_t]

For anyone not on facebook (are there many of you?)
Hope you don't mind me C&P it here, Duncan, otherwise let me know and I'll delete it. Glad you weren't injured too badly. What a fuckstain driver. I hope he gets what's coming to him!


From My Crash 7pm Tuesday 1 March 2011



To the driver of THAT car.



When I saw you slowing down I thought here is one to watch for.

When I saw you brake I thought what is the fool going to do, watch him closely. I then moved to be a bit further from you.

When you started to turn I thought how can that idiot not know I'm here. My bike is noisy and my horn is going. How far is this clown going to go before he realises that he is about to cause a crash. I braked hard and leaned the bike over as far as it would go. So far that the back wheel started to slide sideways. By now I am clearly visible in your window and windscreen. I am fighting to avoid a crash with you that could kill or badly injure me.

I see you move left and think you are also trying to avoid the crash and will stop so I can pass in front of you and have room to stop.

Then I realise I am mistaken. You are not trying to avoid hurting me you are simply trying to push and squeeze passed me.



Now I am right beside your driver's door with the bike leaned all the way over. You obviously have no intentions of giving me room and I now know I am going to get hurt and my bike is going to be damaged. I realise that if I crash into you with my bike leaning over this far I am probably going to get run over and suffer broken legs. At the last moment I throw the bike upright to avoid going under your car knowing that this is going to pin my leg between my bike and your car and possibly slam my head into your car.

My shoulder hits the side of your car with more force than the hardest rugby tackle I have ever done. I used to be a rugby forward and had a reputation for being able to stop anyone. This hit hurts. My head is launched sideways and my leg is bashed between my bike and your rear door. My tank is dented and my foot peg is smashed. My leg is saved from serious damage by the steel shin guard on my boots. The steel shin guard is bent.



I am now stuck against the side of your car and travelling at about the same speed as you. I am relieved, I am still upright and have avoided a painful and damaging contact with the tar seal. I expect you will now stop and I will have, against the odds, avoided serious injury.

What you did next puts you into a category of people that can't be appropriately named in public places.

I feel your car start to accelerate. You are not going to stop. Your only thoughts are for you and your comfort. You are going to cause me to slam into the road and leave me there.

Your car starts to pull away from me and I can do nothing to stop my fall. Now I am very angry. My head is up looking for your registration. I am determined to find you one way or another.

I land on the road heavily. The bike crushes down on my already pummeled leg. I slide to a stop. I watch you disappear down the road. My good motorcycle gear has done its job. I am sore but in one piece.

I pull my aching leg out from under the motorbike. I stand up and I yell your registration out. I want everyone to know it in case I have problems remembering it in the aftermath. Another driver calls back to say he recorded the same registration. I phone the police, I want you caught in the worst possible way. When you crash into a car you do material damage. When you crash into a motor cycle you risk killing someone. You effectively tried to kill me. As far as you know you have just killed me.

Now I look about me. A ute has stopped behind me to protect me from other traffic that could accidentally run over me as I lie on the road. Other people rush over to help me pick up the bike and make sure that I am ok. Few can believe the behavior they have just witnessed from you. Accidents happen but this can hardly be called and accident.

My sleeve has a tear in it, my helmet appears to have touched something three times during the crash. My trousers have been pulled, they are no longer going to be water proof. My new gloves are scuffed and My old motorcycle boots have done a fantastic job of protecting my leg - I will have to straighten the shin guard later. The bike is a mess. A stranger helps me put it into the back of his ute to get it home. He then waits for nearly an hour while we talk to the police. He gives me and the bike a lift home. Another stranger stays and talks to the police about what he saw you do. He probably has a family waiting for him but he makes time to help.



I am now home and my shoulder is hurting and my leg has a bad ache. I can't stop yet because I have to get my bike rideable so I can get to work tomorrow. See, I have to work at least 50 hours per week just to make ends meet. I have a wife and young children to support. I don't have a flash bike because I can't afford one. I don't have a second car I have no room for one. So I work on into the night replacing a few broken parts and doing my best to straighten others. It is very hard to lift my left arm above my shoulder and my leg aches so much I should have pain killers so I can get to sleep.



The Police phone me and tell me they have found you. At first I am very pleased, then I feel a little sorry for you because you are going to lose your license. The feeling of sorry only lasts for a few seconds because I have another flashback of your car disappearing down the road as I slide along the tar seal. I am not a vindictive man and I fail to understand how you could cause me to get smashed into a car and slammed on the road then just drive off. How are you any different to a mugger, except a mugger would have to have the balls to face me. You caused me injury and ran away leaving me out of pocket by a few hundred dollars as surely as if you had stolen my wallet. I don't have much and what I do have I have had to work very hard for.



It is now lunch time the following day. The motorcycle shop has just phoned to say my bike is probably a write off. I will not get another bike for what the insurance company is likely to pay out so I have to find more money from somewhere to get new transport to work.

My shoulder still hurts but I cannot really afford to take time off to see the Doctor. That would take 2 hours out of my day and I don't think I can do an extra 2 hours on another day. If I stay at work any longer in a day I hardly get to see my kids.



Welcome to my side of your actions.



signed:

The rider of the motorcycle you hit.

[superman]

Surely you'll get a new bike from the guy who crashed into you? His insurance pays for the crash as it's his fault yes? And if he has no insurance then it's out of his pocket. And that entitles you to at least another of the same bike. As well as gear he has to pay for causing the damage to it.

If only NZ law would allow attempted murder in traffic incidences.

Have a good recovery mate, glad your alright. Get as much out of that fucker as possible.

[Quasi]

Chilling reading but at least you are still alive and relatively unscathed physically to be able to write it. Hope the tosser gets done and pays the price.

Lets hope Katman stays well away from this thread:blink:

[swbarnett]

For anyone not on facebook
Thanks.


(are there many of you?)
One here. Refuse to touch the thing.

[swbarnett]

What an utter bastard!

Good luck mate. Hope this works out well in the end.

Whatever you do get yourself checked out by a doctor. Don't let any injuries get worse by leaving them untreated. Two hours now could save you a lot more later that you can't spend with family.

[Rhys]

basterd :devil2:

[Mully]

Surely you'll get a new bike from the guy who crashed into you? His insurance pays for the crash as it's his fault yes? And if he has no insurance then it's out of his pocket. And that entitles you to at least another of the same bike. As well as gear he has to pay for causing the damage to it.

Except that bastard insurance companies will only pay the "market value" of the crashed bike - which is all well and good, if you have the cash to top up to the actual market value.

Same with gear - ask Fatt Max about his experience with gear and insurance companies.

[Jantar]

I hope the bastard gets done for failing to stop at the scene of an accident.

Of course you do realise that you will probably also receive a ticket for failing to stop within the clear visible distance ahead.

[steve_t]

I hope the bastard gets done for failing to stop at the scene of an accident.



I hope he gets done for more than that! I hope he's such an arrogant jerkoff that he says "Yeah, I saw him but he was..." instead of "I didn't see him..."

[ducatilover]

Shit mate, you're lucky you didn't come off much worse. That is no SMIDSY either, that's nigh on attempted GBH. What an absolute flesh flute, tosser and bell end.

[scumdog]

Find out when the cretin is going to be sentenced and tell the officer in charge of your case that you wish to read your Victim Impact Statement in Court...scream and kick and throw a tanty until you get alloed to do so.

[onearmedbandit]

Find out when the cretin is going to be sentenced and tell the officer in charge of your case that you wish to read your Victim Impact Statement in Court...scream and kick and throw a tanty until you get alloed to do so.

Excellent advice.

[trailblazer]

mate that is such a cowardly thing to do. I hope he gets done big time because that is as good as gbh. Unfortunatly his insurance company will only pay out for the market value of the bike but i thought gear was replacement value well thats what mine is. Lets just hope the tosser has insurance. Make sure you go to doc and get checked out as it sounds like you have a few injuries and to be honest the more injuries you have the harder a judge will be on him. Lets hope anyway.
Hope you heel up quick and get another bike soon.

[trailblazer]

Find out when the cretin is going to be sentenced and tell the officer in charge of your case that you wish to read your Victim Impact Statement in Court...scream and kick and throw a tanty until you get alloed to do so.

awwesome advice scumbag and remember to make it very emotional.

[Shiny side up]

I hope the bastard gets done for failing to stop at the scene of an accident.

Of course you do realise that you will probably also receive a ticket for failing to stop within the clear visible distance ahead.

Nah the cops could see the short skid mark on the roundabout.... the tosser turned right from the outside lane just as he was exiting a roundabout. Suddenly realised he was in the wrong lane and just turned.... He was about 50, had been drinking. His car took a beating... My shoulder destroyed his back seat window, the pack rack gouged his car side and I am sure my leg left a good dent in the door. It was a ford falcon or similar and I felt the cars bodyroll as I hit.

[Shiny side up]

I hope he gets done for more than that! I hope he's such an arrogant jerkoff that he says "Yeah, I saw him but he was..." instead of "I didn't see him..."

The cops said he is charged with failing to ascertain injury and dangerous driving. He fessed up when the cops turned up on his door step and 10:30pm an found the damaged car. The cop sounded impressed with amount of damage done to the car (considering I made the bike ridable again that night)

[jasonu]

Nah the cops could see the short skid mark on the roundabout.... the tosser turned right from the outside lane just as he was exiting a roundabout. Suddenly realised he was in the wrong lane and just turned.... He was about 50, had been drinking. His car took a beating... My shoulder destroyed his back seat window, the pack rack gouged his car side and I am sure my leg left a good dent in the door. It was a ford falcon or similar and I felt the cars bodyroll as I hit.

I hope you keep this thread up to date with regards to the driver's penalty for his actions.
BTW, how do you know he had been drinking?

[Shiny side up]

I hope you keep this thread up to date with regards to the driver's penalty for his actions.
BTW, how do you know he had been drinking?

He "admitted" to the cops that he had run and suggested it was because he had had "a drink" and because his rego had expired.

[lone_slayer]

So an expired rego I belive means he has no insurance!

[Old Steve]

Do get a doctor to check you out. If you need ACC at any time they will demand a doctor's report. And you do pay your ACC levy as part of your rego.

As his rego is expired, there will be no insurance. But attend his sentencing ans ask to read your Victim Impact Statement and ask the Judge to award costs, namely replacement value for your bike and gear.

Now, if you find his name and address, ask if anyone is interested in receiving it by PM. This guy deserves a baseball bat suitable applied to certain regions of his body.

Get well, stay safe

[ynot slow]

No rego doesn't always mean no insurance,but drinking definately means no insurance.

[lone_slayer]

by chance where you wearing any Hi vis? just curious

[yachtie10]

by chance where you wearing any Hi vis? just curious

wtf ?
oh your from Taupo

[yachtie10]

No rego doesn't always mean no insurance,but drinking definately means no insurance.

No registration does not mean no insurance
and drinking does not guarantee no insurance, depends on the policy
convicted of drunk driving definightly means no insurance

[yachtie10]

Hope your healing well
let us know what happens please

[nosebleed]

wtf ?
oh your from Taupo

He's just getting in before pdath comes along and gets the guy to fill in his poll.

[Katman]

When I saw you slowing down I thought here is one to watch for.

When I saw you brake I thought what is the fool going to do, watch him closely. I then moved to be a bit further from you.


Call me cynical but it sounds like you had a while to read the situation.

[Ocean1]

Call me cynical but it sounds like you had a while to read the situation.

Hi Cynical.

Fuck off and stop annoying the adults, there's a good boy.

[Katman]

Hi Cynical.

Fuck off and stop annoying the gullible retards, there's a good boy.

Fixed that for you.

[lone_slayer]

by chance where you wearing any Hi vis? just curious

Well I was wondering cause I have hi vis stuff on my jacket and would hate to think somthing like that will happen while in hi vis.... Oh yeah I am from Taupo and our traffic here seems pretty good not alot of dumb arses round here when the weather is good but when the weather is shit like today you can guarentee you will spot alot of dicks on the road

[steve_t]

Well I was wondering cause I have hi vis stuff on my jacket and would hate to think somthing like that will happen while in hi vis.... Oh yeah I am from Taupo and our traffic here seems pretty good not alot of dumb arses round here when the weather is good but when the weather is shit like today you can guarentee you will spot alot of dicks on the road

I don't think hi-vis would have made a difference in this instance as the problem wasn't not being seen. I'm still unsure as to how effective hi-vis actually is under normal circumstances also

[DangerMice]

Your shoulder injury sounds a lot like mine. You've probably torn some muscle, it'll take a week or so to come right. Anti-inflammatory meds & nerofen are what I was given by the friendly A&E doc

[lone_slayer]

I had a similar sounding shoulder injury I would highly recomend seeing a chiropractor. mine had dislocated and poped back in during a tackle and months of phisio did sweet stuff all, and for a few years i keft having flare ups. After 3 years the wife got me to a chriopractor and after 4 visits i havent had probelms for 4 years now.... highly recomend i would never bother with a physio again

[matdaymon]

Wow mate, you're really lucky you weren't injured further or killed!
I really hope I never experience a similar situation.

They need to throw the book at f***tards like this to make an example out of them... people would be so much more careful if there were ACTUAL consequences for their actions

[Kickaha]

people would be so much more careful if there were ACTUAL consequences for their actions

No they wouldn't be, after all it'll never happen to me

[onearmedbandit]

No they wouldn't be, after all it'll never happen to me

Stop making sense.

[Bonez]

Well I was wondering cause I have hi vis stuff on my jacket and would hate to think somthing like that will happen while in hi vis.... It can you it can happen if you're lit up like Tinkerbell. Best to get a doc to take a look see SSu.

[tigertim20]

thats a horrible thing to have happen. I cant begin to imagine the feelings you would be overcome by as you felt him accelerate, and dissapear into the distance. Ive been hit, but at least they stopped for me. When he goes to court you get to write a victim impact statement, which you are entitled to read out in court, its your opportunity to have a personal input directly to the judge. Clearly you are an intelligent, articulate man with the ability to write in a manner that clearly and eloquently outlines what you have to say. Utilise that talent and be sure your voice is heard.
Untill then I've no doubt you will be enjoying the love and comfort of your family who no doubt flashed through your mind on that day.
Best wishes to you for a speedy recovery, and I pray that the sick depraved gutless individual gets a harsh sentence.

[reofix]

you faffed around and you got pranged...re read your story and think about when you had the power to avoid this.. easy really.. sick of bleating ninnie biker stories

[98tls]

For anyone not on facebook (are there many of you?)
Hope you don't mind me C&P it here, Duncan, otherwise let me know and I'll delete it. Glad you weren't injured too badly. What a fuckstain driver. I hope he gets what's coming to him!


From My Crash 7pm Tuesday 1 March 2011



To the driver of THAT car.



When I saw you slowing down I thought here is one to watch for.

When I saw you brake I thought what is the fool going to do, watch him closely. I then moved to be a bit further from you.

When you started to turn I thought how can that idiot not know I'm here. My bike is noisy and my horn is going. How far is this clown going to go before he realises that he is about to cause a crash. I braked hard and leaned the bike over as far as it would go. So far that the back wheel started to slide sideways. By now I am clearly visible in your window and windscreen. I am fighting to avoid a crash with you that could kill or badly injure me.

I see you move left and think you are also trying to avoid the crash and will stop so I can pass in front of you and have room to stop.





signed:

The rider of the motorcycle you hit.

Sorry to hear of your plight fella,heal well etc,If theres a downside to motorcycling it would be that when your on one you have to treat everyone in 4 wheels as though there complete and utter fuckwits and expect them to act accordingly.Not having a crack at you (i learned a few lessons along the way with them) just passing on my own experiences over the years.As i say heal quick etc.

[reofix]

a noisy exhaust wont save us
a horn is not a safety device
if it looks bad ... it is bad
macho doesnt belong on the road

[motor_mayhem]

you faffed around and you got pranged...re read your story and think about when you had the power to avoid this.. easy really.. sick of bleating ninnie biker stories

Do you think you should be preaching like that lest the next vehicle missile around the corner has your name on it?

OP - terrible thing to happen and utter shite that they didn't bother stopping. The unfortuate bad news will probably be that the judge will hand them down a reparations sentence and they will say "Ah my life's so hard I won't be able to survive with that" and they will end up paying it back at $5-$10 a week for a short eternity. That's what happen when a friend's car got stolen, $5k payout but at about $5 a week, meanwhile he's left without a mode of transport for work and has to take out a loan with some exorbitant rate of interest to get one again.

[reofix]

its not about preaching ... this story reads like an everyday situation on a bike.. roadcraft will keep you safe from encaging in macho games with 1500 kg hunks of steel

[Bonez]

It is you isn't it Steve?

[reofix]

no???????????????
it is you isn't it steve?

[Shiny side up]

its not about preaching ... this story reads like an everyday situation on a bike.. roadcraft will keep you safe from encaging in macho games with 1500 kg hunks of steel

Yup it is every bikers story in a general sense and my story in a personal sense. That is why I bothered to share it.

Roadcraft (and good gear) saved my ass. But the laws of physics mean that you can't always dodge a bullet just because you see the gun swing towards you, or the car comming at you. Some times all you can do is put your head between you knees and kiss your sorry ass goodbye.

[Shiny side up]

a noisy exhaust wont save us
a horn is not a safety device
if it looks bad ... it is bad
macho doesnt belong on the road


So true....
The XJ is very noisy and I had changed down to have reaction if the idiot did do something stupid.

The horn did nothing to stop him

I could see it was going to get bad

Tring to force the right of way would have got me killed

[98tls]

Yup it is every bikers story in a general sense and my story in a personal sense. That is why I bothered to share it.

Roadcraft (and good gear) saved my ass. But the laws of physics mean that you can't always dodge a bullet just because you see the gun swing towards you, or the car comming at you. Some times all you can do is put your head between you knees and kiss your sorry ass goodbye.

As you say.No doubt this thread will like so many others degenerate into what ifs/what i would have done/what Carl Fogarty would do blah blah blah,main thing is your here to tell the story eh sounds like it could have been well worse.

[reofix]

But .. with respect the argument is bigger than you.. we have a lot of macho idiots trying to enforce "biker rights" out on the road... the price is too high ... the cyclist mob have the same shit going on and they are dying like flies .. its time to get smart !

[Shiny side up]

But .. with respect the argument is bigger than you.. we have a lot of macho idiots trying to enforce "biker rights" out on the road... the price is too high ... the cyclist mob have the same shit going on and they are dying like flies .. its time to get smart !

I am smart...... that is why I am alive inspite of that cage drivers best attempt. I wasn't claiming any rights. I just fought to stay shiny side up.

[Ocean1]

It is you isn't it Steve?

Who cares, another lowbrow troll or yet another expert wanker here to tell everyone they're cunts. Either way it's on ignore...

[reofix]

Who cares, another lowbrow troll or yet another expert wanker here to tell everyone they're cunts. Either way it's on ignore...
anyone spot the macho bullshit .... anyway i hope you get lucky and dodge the bullets that painting a target on your forehead encourage

[Bonez]

anyone spot the macho bullshit .... Do feel free to highlight it. From what I can see SSu was trying his best to avoid a bad situation. Oh course you would have pulled a wheelly and riden over the Falcon eh?

[reofix]

look at the quote ... ssu was not part of the comment

[Bonez]

Isn't it a fun game?

[yachtie10]

you faffed around and you got pranged...re read your story and think about when you had the power to avoid this.. easy really.. sick of bleating ninnie biker stories

another kb wanker who knows it all
sick of bleating know it alls who wernt there but know it all

youve read what you wanted to see but your amazing skills wont save you all the time

[Spearfish]

So what's the story with the bike?
Is it seriously mechanically damaged or a lot of expensive cosmetic damage.

After seeing some of the insurance write-offs on trade me it isn't hard.:psst:

[98tls]

Do feel free to highlight it. From what I can see SSu was trying his best to avoid a bad situation. Oh course you would have pulled a wheelly and riden over the Falcon eh?

OI,leave Fords outta this eh,lets just call it a Holden and carry on...as you were.:niceone:

[Bonez]

OI,leave Fords outta this eh,lets just call it a Holden and carry on...as you were.:niceone:Will Co.

[98tls]

Will Co.

Cheers B,only mentioned it as my own Ford has a quick release tailgate, used when a motorcyclist over estimates his stopping ability ie fucks up and instead of carnage he simply finds himself onboard

[Shiny side up]

So what's the story with the bike?
Is it seriously mechanically damaged or a lot of expensive cosmetic damage.

After seeing some of the insurance write-offs on trade me it isn't hard.:psst:

Just spent most of the evening with a mate straigtening it up as best as I can for the moment. It takes a bit to kill an old Yammy XJ550.
The pack rack was bent
the handle bars are slightly bent
the front shocks had twisted in the clamps
the RF indicatior was broken
The LH foot peg is mangled
the tank has a knee shaped impression in it
the LH hand grip is torn
the timing cover is cracked
the clutch lever is slightly bent
the headlight surround and tach surround is scratched
The air box was knocked off the carbs
So once I straightened the foots peg as much as possible (it is still fragged), replaced the indicator and untwisted the front shocks it was ridable again.
I had an old repaired timing cover that I have put on to keep the water out.
I have straighten the pack rack. So once I get a new peg it will be ok but it will always show the scars.
I think my shoulder took the biggest hit but my leg took the double hit. Gotta love armoured jacket sholders and steel shin guards)

[superman]

Cheers B,only mentioned it as my own Ford has a quick release tailgate, used when a motorcyclist over estimates his stopping ability ie fucks up and instead of carnage he simply finds himself onboard

:niceone: FUCKING WIN!

Be sweet if you put a motor on it to winch it closed again straight after. My bike now :bleh:

[Bonez]

Cheers B,only mentioned it as my own Ford has a quick release tailgate, used when a motorcyclist over estimates his stopping ability ie fucks up and instead of carnage he simply finds himself onboard Good for lashings of lycra I should imagine too. Think of how many cyclists could fit it. No wait. Don't. The mental image is far too traumatic.

[Katman]

The XJ is very noisy and I had changed down to have reaction if the idiot did do something stupid.


So let's get this straight....

You saw the car slowing down and thought you'd better watch them closely, you saw them braking and wondered what they were doing, you moved over to be further away from them, you sounded your horn and changed down a gear to be ready to react - but the accident still happened?????

I hope you're not trying to suggest the accident was unavoidable.

[Shiny side up]

So let's get this straight....

I hope you're not trying to suggest the accident was unavoidable.

Coming through a large-ish roundabout.
I was in the centre lane going straight through following an other car.
There was 4 cars in the outside lane
(land transport act say on roundabouts - left lane if going half way round or less, right lane for half way or more, unless lane marking and signage say otherwise)
The lane markings clearly show no right turn from the outside lane.
As we came round the roundabout the third car in the left lane was going slower than the others which is why I noticed him.
The forth car in the left lane moved into the right lane right in front of me so I had to brake to avoid being too close to him.
As the car in front of me passed the third car in the left lane and exited the roundabout the third car in the left lane braked hard and turned right.
By this time I was about 2 lane widths away from the exit. This meant that I had about one and a half lane widths distance to react in on an 80Kmh round about.
So yes I suppose it was avoidable. I could have popped a wheelie and ridden right over top of the Ford or stayed in my armchair like you.

[Katman]

This meant that I had about one and a half lane widths distance to react in on an 80Kmh round about.


Just because they place a roundabout on an 80kph section of road doesn't always mean it's prudent to do 80kph around them.

[Ocean1]

Just because they give you a mouth but no brain to drive it doesn't always mean it's prudent to advertise the fact.


Fixt......

[Katman]

Fixt......

You've never managed to get the hang of that ignore function, have you? :msn-wink:

[Ocean1]

You've never managed to get the hang of that ignore function, have you? :msn-wink:

Like I said, I don't need artificial assistance in ignoring paltry village imbeciles

[Crasherfromwayback]

Like I said, I don't need artificial assistance in ignoring paltry village imbeciles

Don't mind him. Every now and then, he takes time out from asking GUYS to suck his cock and placing really mature tags, to show us all how good he? is compared to the rest of us.

[Spearfish]

Just spent most of the evening with a mate straigtening it up as best as I can for the moment. It takes a bit to kill an old Yammy XJ550.

I think my shoulder took the biggest hit but my leg took the double hit. Gotta love armoured jacket sholders and steel shin guards)

It seems your climbing on top of it, your both still working although carrying scares.
I bet the cost of good gear is soon forgotten after a crash like that one.

[jasonu]

As you say.No doubt this thread will like so many others degenerate into what ifs/what i would have done/what Carl Fogarty would do blah blah blah,main thing is your here to tell the story eh sounds like it could have been well worse.

Hey grand dad, who's Carl Fogarty???
Na, I agree with you, could have been worse and I hope to hear the driver gets his nuts kicked by the legal system.

[Tony W]

You saw the driver driving erratically, so you slowed and created more space between you. Excellent !

Then you had time to sound your horn and crash into him. Hmmm.

Sell your bike. The road can be a dangerous place...

[swbarnett]

You saw the driver driving erratically, so you slowed and created more space between you.
Unlike some I don't claim to know what happened - I wasn't there. However, I find myself wondering if this was exactly the wrong thing to do. I've been in situations where the last thing that was needed was to be submissive. Sometimes asserting your right to be on the road is what's required. Kind of like never back down from a charging elephant. As soon as you show fear they've got you.

[Toaster]

Good read but why make people sign into facebook (or join if they are not a member) to read it. Copy and paste it here.

Agreed! I didn't bother to follow the link, instead read the reply comments and could get enough of an idea of what it was about.

[Shiny side up]

Unlike some I don't claim to know what happened - I wasn't there. However, I find myself wondering if this was exactly the wrong thing to do. I've been in situations where the last thing that was needed was to be submissive. Sometimes asserting your right to be on the road is what's required. Kind of like never back down from a charging elephant. As soon as you show fear they've got you.

Fair question. There was NO attempt to assert any rights. The horn was actually at the rear car in the left hand lane that swaped lanes right in front of me. He swapped lanes, I think, to go around the car that crashed me. So I give the rear car a buzz on the horn to say "not nice" then the car that crashed me turned right while exiting the roundabout and attempted to drive between me and the car that had just changed lanes directly in front of me.
I made no push for rights I have been on 2 wheels for too long to bother using a horn to try and get ROW.
Usally if I see a car is going to do something stupid (and there is time etc) I pull the clutch in and make the engine scream. This is usally far more effective than the horn. When you toot at cage drivers they usally just give you the finger.

The moron that crashed me did not behave normaly from start to finish....

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Agreed! I didn't bother to follow the link, instead read the reply comments and could get enough of an idea of what it was about.

someone was good enough to paste the entire letter into the comments on the first page.

[Katman]

Usally if I see a car is going to do something stupid (and there is time etc) I pull the clutch in and make the engine scream.


Why on earth would you do that????:blink:

By doing so you sacrifice 90% of the controlability of your bike.

[Shiny side up]

I am normally ok with the cops but at the moment I am just a bit dirty. The low life that knocked me off the bike last Tuesday went to court (today I think). The cops did not tell me the case was up today. The first I knew of it was when I got a call from the courts to say it was all done.
I have been trying since late last week to contact the cop that was assigned to the case and he has been away on days off.
The court clerk told me the cage driver pleaded guilty and was given 6 months loss of license and $300 fine..... that's it. The prick drinks, smacks out the motorbike, runs off leaving me stuck under the bike in the middle of a busy roundabout, drives a car with expired rego, is charged with dangerous driving and failing to ascertain injury (both of which have a MINIMUM sentence of 6 months) and all he gets is the bare minimum.
So if you crash into someone after drinking it is well worth running. The punishment for crashing and injuring someone will probably be less than drink driving punishment on it's own.

Waiting to talk to the cop tomorrow when he gets back then we will see about the complaints authority.

[CookMySock]

Sounds like you were lucky there wasnt more anatomy on display.

[Brett]

Unlike some I don't claim to know what happened - I wasn't there. However, I find myself wondering if this was exactly the wrong thing to do. I've been in situations where the last thing that was needed was to be submissive. Sometimes asserting your right to be on the road is what's required. Kind of like never back down from a charging elephant. As soon as you show fear they've got you.

Not entirely sure about your advice re: submission on a motorcycle, however I can assure you that your advice re a charging elephant will get you killed.

No point in trying to staunch the other vehicle out, if they decide to call your bluff, you're fucked. Best to ride defensively which at times will dictate that you carry out an aggressive move but will at other times see you taking the submissive.

[superman]

Unlike some I don't claim to know what happened - I wasn't there. However, I find myself wondering if this was exactly the wrong thing to do. I've been in situations where the last thing that was needed was to be submissive. Sometimes asserting your right to be on the road is what's required. Kind of like never back down from a charging elephant. As soon as you show fear they've got you.

Walking in front of a stopped bus, it drives forward and knocks me with his wing mirror. Drives on not caring. All because I wasn't going to run in front of it like a little girl scared of big old bussy instead being staunch and asserting my place in crossing the road. Should have dropped onto the ground now thinking back... It's a pedestrian crossing mainly (not legally but recognised as mainly pedestrian road that bisects Auckland uni), he was just being a dickhead! But really he's bigger, and much less caring obviously!

[swbarnett]

Not entirely sure about your advice re: submission on a motorcycle, however I can assure you that your advice re a charging elephant will get you killed.
I got this from some reality show where a tourist vehicle in Africa was charged. The driver made no attempt to back off and the elephant stopped short. The driver said that the elephant was testing his resolve and will back down if you hold your ground.


No point in trying to staunch the other vehicle out, if they decide to call your bluff, you're fucked.
That's why you should always have an out should you need it. I've been charged by an 18-wheeler with trailer when I was on my CB125T back in the 80s. I believe the only reason they didn't run me off the road is that I held my ground. I was just on the point of swerving away when they turned back.


Best to ride defensively which at times will dictate that you carry out an aggressive move but will at other times see you taking the submissive.
Which is exactly what I was trying to say - sometimes you have to be assertive.

[Katman]

That's why you should always have an out should you need it. I've been charged by an 18-wheeler with trailer when I was on my CB125T back in the 80s. I believe the only reason they didn't run me off the road is that I held my ground.

More fool you.

[swbarnett]

Walking in front of a stopped bus, it drives forward and knocks me with his wing mirror. Drives on not caring. All because I wasn't going to run in front of it like a little girl scared of big old bussy instead being staunch and asserting my place in crossing the road. Should have dropped onto the ground now thinking back... It's a pedestrian crossing mainly (not legally but recognised as mainly pedestrian road that bisects Auckland uni), he was just being a dickhead! But really he's bigger, and much less caring obviously!
First of all, Alfred St. (I assume you mean the road between the library and the quadrangle?) is not a pedestrian road. It is a limited access road that has lots of pedestrians.

The bus was stopped and, as such, under a legal and moral obligation to check the road is clear before moving. However, you can't assume this is the way they will act. More space between you and the bus was required.

I have had cars try to run me down when I was on a ped crossing. Having gauged their speed and decided that they can stop easily I stood my ground and damn near put a dent in their bonnet to get their attention.

I'm not saying that assertiveness on the road is always the correct course but it should not be discounted as a weapon in your arsenal.

When I used to commute my bicycle I had a couple of occasions where I stopped a bus and tore strips out of the driver simply by being assertive. There were also times when I tried this and failed. I didn't get squashed because I recognised the point where it became evident that they didn't care if they squashed me or not.

[dino3310]

Sorry to hear this shit has happened to ya Duncan.
Go get that fuckers car for work for the next 6 months

[matdaymon]

Way to go NZ legal system, you fail us once again!

[Winston001]

I am normally ok with the cops but at the moment I am just a bit dirty. The low life that knocked me off the bike last Tuesday went to court (today I think). The cops did not tell me the case was up today. The first I knew of it was when I got a call from the courts to say it was all done.
I have been trying since late last week to contact the cop that was assigned to the case and he has been away on days off...


My sympathies. I think we'd all be dirty in your position and I admire your restraint.

The police perspective is that this is a minor prosecution amongst a hundred other minor prosecutions. Not minor to you certainly, but measured against assaults, arson, robbery, manslaughter, rape etc this offence is ordinary. A traffic accident where the offender admits guilt straight up. Over and done with.

Still I'm surprised at the light fine.

You are entitled to complain and you should do so. Scummy will know how best to go about that although its not hard. Ultimately the Police Complaints Authority is who you are entitled to contact, just don't transfer your anger to the police.

The offender has been dealt with and I cannot see a re-sentencing - could be wrong but such things are rare as rare things.

[Shiny side up]

My sympathies. I think we'd all be dirty in your position and I admire your restraint.

The police perspective is that this is a minor prosecution amongst a hundred other minor prosecutions. Not minor to you certainly, but measured against assaults, arson, robbery, manslaughter, rape etc this offence is ordinary. A traffic accident where the offender admits guilt straight up. Over and done with.

Still I'm surprised at the light fine.

The offender has been dealt with and I cannot see a re-sentencing - could be wrong but such things are rare as rare things.

I gave the district commissioner a "Please explain" letter as the haste of the sentencing caused at least two breaches of law. The police seem to admit that the "error" was caused by the police prosecutor. The senior officer that I have now been dealing with said (as I already knew) the the prosecutor would probably not remember the case as he deals with many everyday. My reply was that I understood that he would not remember my case up to this point, but I hoped that he would not forget it in future. I wanted him reminded that when he makes a mistake like that there is someone who gets affected.

But on a lighter note... the insurance company decided to get my bike fixed.... Somehow they concluded that the pile of bolts that carry my rego plate in the guide of a 1984 Yamaha XJ550 (with over 100,000Km on the clock) is worth $2000. I told them they were out of their tree but if they wanted to spend $960 repairing a $1000 bike that was there outlook. I think I have to take the bike in for repair starting tomorrow.:banana:

[scracha]

That's why you should always have an out should you need it. I've been charged by an 18-wheeler with trailer when I was on my CB125T back in the 80s. I believe the only reason they didn't run me off the road is that I held my ground. I was just on the point of swerving away when they turned back.


Which is exactly what I was trying to say - sometimes you have to be assertive.
There's assertive....and there's fuckin lunatic. Dude...cars, buses, trucks etc ALWAYS WIN.


Sounds like the cops fucked up big style with this one.

[swbarnett]

There's assertive....and there's fuckin lunatic. Dude...cars, buses, trucks etc ALWAYS WIN.
If one wants to push their position, yes. It's a test of wills, not size. I have parked my bicycle in front of a moving bus several times because I was pissed and have never lost. The last thing the driver wants to explain is why they squashed a cyclist.

This is actually why I gave up bicycle commuting. I just got too agro.

[steelphoenix]

Man, you're lucky to be alive. Glad that you're mostly OK, and I would pop in to a doc/physio/chiropractor if that shoulder keeps hurting - could have serious continued damage otherwise.


But on a lighter note... the insurance company decided to get my bike fixed.... Somehow they concluded that the pile of bolts that carry my rego plate in the guide of a 1984 Yamaha XJ550 (with over 100,000Km on the clock) is worth $2000. I told them they were out of their tree but if they wanted to spend $960 repairing a $1000 bike that was there outlook. I think I have to take the bike in for repair starting tomorrow.:banana:
Woohoo! :D :clap: