The death of the cheesecutter story

[reofix]

At long last ... i see this issue has died the natural death it deserved.. So much heat was generated on this issue ... so little light ... our safety is 99% down to us... just like walking in the world really

[sil3nt]

How many people have actually lost their lives to the cheesecutter?

[spookytooth]

i cut my finger on a cheesegrater once

[reofix]

A single event ... and a damn silly death... it could have been a tree or a truck or a house

[bogan]

The cheesecutters are put up as safety devices, but they make the road a more dangerous place for some road users. Just cos we been busy with other shit doesn't mean the issue is dead.

[gatch]

i cut my finger on a cheesegrater once

I once cut some cheese ?

Fuck that stunk too.

[sil3nt]

So one death after a few years?

[reofix]

Just think if one had been between the centreline crossing campervan and the 4 bikers who died...is that a silence I hear?

[Bonez]

Steve is that you?

[scumdog]

How many people have actually lost their lives to the cheesecutter?

Can't be naffed reading all the other replies but that has always been my thought too...

[bogan]

Just think if one had been between the centreline crossing campervan and the 4 bikers who died...is that a silence I hear?

Obviously a tragic accident, but one that could have been avoided had the campervan driver been paying more attention.

So other road users are allowed to be inattentive, and have a safety barrier stop them. But if bikers are inattentive, they are likely to lose limbs from contact with the same safety barrier?

Also, without the accident details, we can't be sure whether WRBs would have saved them, in some cases (bigger vehicles especially) they hook the front wheel causing a loss of control, and if the road is not wide enough, the deflection of the WRB could be such that the campervan goes into the oncoming lane anyway.

There are reasons why EU countries only allow WRB with bike friendly coverings, and why others ban them completely.

[reofix]

"There are reasons why EU countries only allow WRB with bike friendly coverings, and why others ban them completely."

The EU wont let you hold your own cock to piss.... in case of infection ... grow up

[bogan]

"There are reasons why EU countries only allow WRB with bike friendly coverings, and why others ban them completely."

The EU wont let you hold your own cock to piss.... in case of infection ... grow up

If that is the level of argument you are going to put up, (you remind me of IL4 quite a bit) it's my cue to leave.

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[Taz]

What's a cheesecutter :lol: I have no problems with them.

[reofix]

"it's my cue to leave."

These are adult issues so thats appropriate

[baptist]

At long last ... i see this issue has died the natural death it deserved.. So much heat was generated on this issue ... so little light ... our safety is 99% down to us... just like walking in the world really

So why raise it again? just fancied a troll?:bleh:


Obviously a tragic accident, but one that could have been avoided had the campervan driver been paying more attention.

So other road users are allowed to be inattentive, and have a safety barrier stop them. But if bikers are inattentive, they are likely to lose limbs from contact with the same safety barrier?

Also, without the accident details, we can't be sure whether WRBs would have saved them, in some cases (bigger vehicles especially) they hook the front wheel causing a loss of control, and if the road is not wide enough, the deflection of the WRB could be such that the campervan goes into the oncoming lane anyway.

There are reasons why EU countries only allow WRB with bike friendly coverings, and why others ban them completely.

+1 Every little help we have safety wise has to be good for us, no?


"There are reasons why EU countries only allow WRB with bike friendly coverings, and why others ban them completely."

The EU wont let you hold your own cock to piss.... in case of infection ... grow up


"it's my cue to leave."

These are adult issues so thats appropriate

Successful trolling then? And everyone is entitled to their own view...:innocent:

[scumdog]

Obviously a tragic accident, but one that could have been avoided had the campervan driver been paying more attention.

So other road users are allowed to be inattentive, and have a safety barrier stop them. But if bikers are inattentive, they are likely to lose limbs from contact with the same safety barrier?


Your first point? virtually ALL head-ons could fit that catagory but people don't pay attention, hence why centre-dividers of some sort are a Good Idea (tm).

The second point? Having a deadly 'cheese-cutter' nearby would, I think, be a good incentive to be attentive - oh and why the fuck SHOULD we have to pander to innatentive bikers??:blink:


Of course we all know you're just trolling? right? right?:shifty:

[phill-k]

Bugger and I had always believed being inattentive on a bike meant death:eek:

[nodrog]

its the ones that they put on the lefthand side that make no sense to me.

[Madness]

its the ones that they put on the lefthand side that make no sense to me.

They're not WRB's. They're Taniwha fences.

[Dave-]

I said this back when it first happened and got flamed to death.

I stated that wire rope barriers are no more deadly than a fence post, a tree or an oncomming vehicle and that we cant go bubble wrapping everything that might kill a motorcyclist if they make a mistake, yes they make the road slightly more dangerous for some road users but we are a minority and one that cannot be justified with the added cost of using concrete barriers, which was a big thing at the time, people actually prefered hitting a concrete barrier to a wire rope barrier.....that seemed kind of fucked up to me considering I'd rather not hit either.

[Headbanger]

I said this back when it first happened and got flamed to death.

I stated that wire rope barriers are no more deadly than a fence post, a tree or an oncomming vehicle and that we cant go bubble wrapping everything that might kill a motorcyclist if they make a mistake, yes they make the road slightly more dangerous for some road users but we are a minority and one that cannot be justified with the added cost of using concrete barriers, which was a big thing at the time, people actually prefered hitting a concrete barrier to a wire rope barrier.....that seemed kind of fucked up to me considering I'd rather not hit either.

Pretty basic safety process, Consider the worst case scenario, then take steps to minimise the danger.

Putting the most lethal barrier in place is the opposite of the entire H&S mantra that has been installed into this country.

So the government is ignoring such basic protocol and would rather increase our risk while hiking up expenses to cover our risk and some of those that are directly affected are defending there actions.

Well done, A gold star intelligent thought process.

[Ocean1]

I said this back when it first happened and got flamed to death.

That’d be because you don’t know what you’re talking about. Benefit of the doubt, here, 'cause I'm assuming you're not stupid enough to be a WRB troll.


I stated that wire rope barriers are no more deadly than a fence post, a tree or an oncomming vehicle and that we cant go bubble wrapping everything that might kill a motorcyclist if they make a mistake

Right. So let’s just use a road safety budget to add deadly artefacts to our roads, yes? And for added bonus points let's put 'em all really really close to the traffic, like the manufacturere's say. Not.


…with the added cost of using concrete barriers, which was a big thing at the time, people actually prefered hitting a concrete barrier to a wire rope barrier...

Concrete barriers are, in fact cheaper. And yes, in fact you’re more likely to survive hitting them.


All clear now?

[Tony W]

I like "cheese-cutters".
They help stop on-coming traffic crossing into my lane.
I feel comfortable riding with them present.

If you are scared of cheese-cutters, adjust your riding to suit your perception of their danger.

[superman]

I see in Papakura around some bad corners (nice on the bike, bad for inattentive cages) they've put big black containers filled with dirt/bark around trees and powerpoles. Some good thinking, in a corner some drivers will just lose control cause they're noobs. On a straight line having a wire next to me feels about as dangerous as having a fence next to me, which is almost all the time riding through the country so... whatever...

Maybe they should get rid of fences on dairy farms too, give all the cows electric shock collars with a buried boundary fence that will stop them crossing when it gives em shocks. Then in case I come off the left side of the road it'll just be paddock paddock paddock COW. :eek:

[Ocean1]

give all the cage drivers electric shock collars with a buried boundary fence that will stop them crossing when it gives em shocks.

Brilliant!!!

Call the patent office immediately!!

[Dave-]

Headbanger and Ocean1, none of what you've said makes any difference to the fact that if you don't hit them, they won't kill you.

[yachtie10]

Headbanger and Ocean1, none of what you've said makes any difference to the fact that if you don't hit them, they won't kill you.

wow words of wisdom
I think most of us are aware of that

[Headbanger]

Headbanger and Ocean1, none of what you've said makes any difference to the fact that if you don't hit them, they won't kill you.

well then ,lets lay down some land mines.

Never fear, its your right to be indifferent to the bigger picture, And thats the exact reason governments can ignore the reality of their decisions. No need to listen to the little guy when the little guy lives in a bubble.

Screw making the word a better place, I'm alright.

[Dave-]

well then ,lets lay down some land mines.

Never fear, its your right to be indifferent to the bigger picture, And thats the exact reason governments can ignore the reality of their decisions. No need to listen to the little guy when the little guy lives in a bubble.

Screw making the word a better place, I'm alright.

OH FUCK NO, NOT A MINORITY! AND THE EVIL GOVERNMENT!

You might be right headbanger, maybe the government is out to kill us one wire rope barrier at a time in an effort to save money (is it?)...and yeah, it is your right to be indifferent to the bigger picture (which is in 1080p for the rest of us) and that is that the government doesn't give a rats ass. Now go find another country, one without wire rope barriers, if it makes you feel better, that way when you crash you can hit an on coming truck, or a solid concrete wall instead...

[Headbanger]

OH FUCK NO, NOT A MINORITY! AND THE EVIL GOVERNMENT!

You might be right headbanger, maybe the government is out to kill us one wire rope barrier at a time in an effort to save money (is it?)...and yeah, it is your right to be indifferent to the bigger picture (which is in 1080p for the rest of us) and that is that the government doesn't give a rats ass. Now go find another country, one without wire rope barriers, if it makes you feel better, that way when you crash you can hit an on coming truck, or a solid concrete wall instead...


You think people should leave rather then giving a fuck?

Are you a politician by any chance?, You have the logic and credibility for a career in the backbenches.

[Kickaha]

Now go find another country, one without wire rope barriers, if it makes you feel better, that way when you crash you can hit an on coming truck, or a solid concrete wall instead...

As much as I think the WRB "problem" is over emphasised I'd rather hit a concrete barrier any day than WRB

[DEATH_INC.]

Nice to see the classic KB stupidity is alive and well.
There is NO issue with having safety barriers between lanes.
There IS issues with having the most dangerous and least effective option available that is usually installed incorrectly as the no1 choice though....

[Dave-]

at the end of the day it's the sudden stop which kills you, not the barrier itself, and we can sit and argue under what circustances, what angles, what speeds, what road conditions, what model bikes with what clearance will allow you to survive an accident with either a concrete wall or a wire rope barrier all day, but i'm not going to because I have better things to do than compare 50 million variables

F=ma that is all that counts in an accident.

[jafar]

at the end of the day it's the sudden stop which kills you, not the barrier itself
F=ma that is all that counts in an accident.

Wrong, the WRB's will slice you up & you will die from blood loss.:bye:

WRB's are a hazard, they have a deflection on them that allows a car to go up to 6 metres into the oncoming lane.:shit:

WRB's do not stop heavy vechiles such as trucks, this was proven when a Smith & davies truck went through a WRB on the southern motorway & took out a couple of cars then came to rest in some trees :whocares:

That there has been only one death doesn't alter the fact that there are better alternatives than WRB's. :facepalm:

[Kickaha]

at the end of the day it's the sudden stop which kills you, not the barrier itself

Going by that reasoning we could have barriers with great big spikes sticking out of it


F=ma that is all that counts in an accident

Are you university educated? you'd just about have to be to come up with something that dumb

[scumdog]

That there has been only one death doesn't alter the fact that there are better alternatives than WRB's. :facepalm:

Like nothing at all?

[MSTRS]

I see the fatalists are still alive and well....
One death (in NZ) may not show a pattern, but it doesn't take more than a few brain cells to work out that hitting an unbreakable wire, that directs a body into a series of slightly blunt knives isn't going to have a good outcome.
Yes, big hurty things coming the other way might be stopped from plowing into a biker - we know that has happened too. Smooth concrete will achieve the same thing, and only one strike is needed to make the concrete the cheaper option. Not to mention being 'safer' for us .
Bikers don't nod off and/or tend to drift sideways on straight roads. But corners are where things can go bad. For any number of reasons, many of which are nothing to do with rider error. Unless a rider can be faulted for riding into a diesel slick, say. In which case, Armco posts have exactly the same outcome as WRB, for us. That has happened plenty of times, with fatal consequences. At least with Armco there is a chance if one hits it above the exposed posts.

So - the best argument put forward by the fatalists is - you're safe from the opposing traffic - usually - and don't hit a WRB yourself.

That reasoning would justify the safety device that is a steel spike in the centre of a car's steering wheel.

[oneofsix]

That reasoning would justify the safety device that is a steel spike in the centre of a car's steering wheel.

I have seen this reason from a British car safety engineer/researcher, but it was link to the perception of danger. Argument was that cars are so comfortable and isolating that the drivers don't realise the danger they are in. I don't think this is an issue for riders, we might 'miss' seeing the oil spill as mistake happen but we are looking and aware.
WRB are a danger as the cut you up unnecessarily, they have also been shown to flip cars when safer barriers wouldn't have.
One I particularly dislike is on SH3 to Wanganui is a wide grass run off leading to a farm fence, half way between the road and fences is a WRB, why? Why reduce the run off with an obstruction? What a waste of money.

[jafar]

Like nothing at all?

I'd prefer to take my chances with nothing than a WRB. :yes:

[MSTRS]

I'd prefer to take my chances with nothing than a WRB. :yes:

Hell yeah...

Hard to be hurt or killed, if you hit, or are hit by, nothing.

:innocent:

[jafar]

Hell yeah...

Hard to be hurt or killed, if you hit, or are hit by, nothing.

:innocent:

The price of nothing is going up to pay for the earthquake:angry:

[awa355]

"Bikers don't nod off and/or tend to drift sideways on straight roads" Quote from above post,

Oh yes they do. Just ask me!!!

[Ocean1]

Hard to be hurt or killed, if you hit, or are hit by, nothing.

When I were a boy you considered y'self fuckin' lucky wiv nothing, a little death were nawt. I say.

[MSTRS]

"Bikers don't nod off and/or tend to drift sideways on straight roads" Quote from above post,

Oh yes they do. Just ask me!!!

I'm guessing you didn't have a little lie down with a cheesecutter....

[Tony W]

Crusaders.

Give up on the WRB "campaign."
Accept your failure to effect any change.

Golly, you could all start a NEW campaign !. . .

How about getting rid of the biggest killer of bikers . . . . CORNERS !!!

OR . . maybe get rid of White Lines !!! . . that's a good one.

Please tell us in less than 3000 words, what your ideas are, for a NZ motorcycling panacea.

[Drew]

Like nothing at all?I'd rather there was an W.R.B between me and oncoming traffic than nothing.

And I couldn't really care less where they get put.

With one exception. On the Wellington motorway, a concrete barrier was removed and replaced with an W.R.B. But I reckon it's less of an intentional thing, and more of a cock up in a quote or some such total rarity in NZ bureaucracy.

[Madness]

On the Wellington motorway, a concrete barrier was removed and replaced with an W.R.B. But I reckon it's less of an intentional thing, and more of a cock up in a quote or some such total rarity in NZ bureaucracy.

I think I remember when that happened and recall thinking at the time that it was likely done for emergency access, or for allowing the crossing of lanes when things like the Horokiwi waterfall has a one in 2,000 year flood or the side of the hill slips off. Both regular occurences, lol.

I was a back seat passenger in a car once many moons ago and the driver nodded off just past Horokiwi, heading south. The concrete barrier did SFA damage to the car but woke the driver up brilliantly. Nobody got hurt and we simply continued driving, might have been a different story with a WRB with up to 6mtrs defelction?.

[scumdog]

I was a back seat passenger in a car once many moons ago and the driver nodded off just past Horokiwi, heading south. The concrete barrier did SFA damage to the car but woke the driver up brilliantly. Nobody got hurt and we simply continued driving, might have been a different story with a WRB with up to 6mtrs defelction?.

They don't 'HAVE' to deflect the 6 metres - it's just they can.

And the silly prick driving needs a kick in the nads for 'nodding off'....with no barrier where would he be?

[MSTRS]

.............

Please tell us in less than 3000 words, what your ideas are, for a NZ motorcycling panacea.

Don't need 3000 words....

Motorcyclists need to stop thinking the road is a race track, and stop treating every ride like it was a race. And as for dirty overtaking tactics...they need to stop that too.

Fucken wanker.

[oneofsix]

I think I remember when that happened and recall thinking at the time that it was likely done for emergency access, or for allowing the crossing of lanes when things like the Horokiwi waterfall has a one in 2,000 year flood or the side of the hill slips off. Both regular occurences, lol.


there's a Tui ad in there. The WRB have turnbuckles etc to allow this to happen but it never does. I suspect "emergency" is the wrong term. They might use it when the land slides and they need long term construction access. On the Puk Bay foreshore their "answer" is to install barrier arms to stop the traffic, guess this give emergency vehicles access to the right hand side of the road. :weird: Wouldn't it be better cheaper and more convenient all round to drop the wires? If not remove the WRB and replace with something safer.

[MSTRS]

One of the 'selling features' of WRB along the Paekak shore was it can be dropped etc.
Yea right.
I recall a crash there that kept the road closed ALL DAY because the wires were not dropped.

[Ocean1]

One of the 'selling features' of WRB along the Paekak shore was it can be dropped etc.
Yea right.
I recall a crash there that kept the road closed ALL DAY because the wires were not dropped.

Yes. One of the special kits required to do the job was in Wgtn central and nobody had any idea where the other one was. The chances of getting the right tools to a crash site before they're no longer needed is always going to be approximately zero. Pity, I'd really enjoy watching them attempting the job.

The things are a joke, continuing attempts at justifying them are transparent bullshit. They're so far from any best practice that there's just about got to be some alterior motive. Wonder if it involves a backhander or just rank incompetence.

[oneofsix]

Yes. One of the special kits required to do the job was in Wgtn central and nobody had any idea where the other one was. The chances of getting the right tools to a crash site before they're no longer needed is always going to be approximately zero. Pity, I'd really enjoy watching them attempting the job.

The things are a joke, continuing attempts at justifying them are transparent bullshit. They're so far from any best practice that there's just about got to be some alterior motive. Wonder if it involves a backhander or just rank incompetence.
WTF, a crash/incident there and the volunteer fire service at Pae will be in attendence. Doesn't take much to work out to leave the Frigging kit with them or at the permanently manned Poruria Fire Station. :angry:

[Ocean1]

WTF, a crash/incident there and the volunteer fire service at Pae will be in attendence. Doesn't take much to work out to leave the Frigging kit with them or at the permanently manned Poruria Fire Station. :angry:

On foot? Keen man.

[MSTRS]

Wonder if it involves a backhander or just rank incompetence.

Two for two.

[oneofsix]

On foot? Keen man.

Mr Plod, Ambos and fire get through. they have noisey thingees and pretty lights to assist them, its usually the cleanup crews what have issues and the fact that they can't redirect traffic around the site using the other half of the road.
This is where the selling point for the WRB fails, they did say it was quick and easy to drop the wire whereas it would be too hard to remove the concrete block barrier and yet they never drop the wires.

[scumdog]

:weird: Wouldn't it be better cheaper and more convenient all round to drop the wires? If not remove the WRB and replace with something safer.

Like a solid concrete barrier you CAN'T drop??:blink:

[oneofsix]

Like a solid concrete barrier you CAN'T drop??:blink:

If they aren't going to drop the wires then yes, go for the safer concrete block barrier. At least then when the hill side slips they can still forklift the blocks out.

[Ocean1]

Mr Plod, Ambos and fire get through.

Not in any semblance of good time they don't, not on that stretch of road, they've very effectively cut off any alternative lanes or shoulders. If you fuck up along there you'll be waiting a very long time for the ambulance.

[oneofsix]

Not in any semblance of good time they don't, not on that stretch of road, they've very effectively cut off any alternative lanes or shoulders. If you fuck up along there you'll be waiting a very long time for the ambulance.

They tend to come in from the opposite direction to the side the crash is on. Going North the have also either used the foot path or forced the traffic on to it. Either way its just another reason the tools should be held close to site, not in Wellington. I suspect they could move a concrete block barrier in less time than dropping the WRB.

[sil3nt]

So the argument against WRB is that if you come off your bike and hit it your a goner. 100% chance of getting cut in half because thats what happened in 100% of biker vs WRB accidents.

And the concrete barrier would be safer because its a solid object that will only break your bones, although still probably kill you, but at least you will be in one piece (probably thanks to your leathers holding it all in).

:scratch:

Im missing the part where hitting solid objects at speed is safe.

How about we all agree to not crash?

[oneofsix]

So the argument against WRB is that if you come off your bike and hit it your a goner. 100% chance of getting cut in half because thats what happened in 100% of biker vs WRB accidents.

And the concrete barrier would be safer because its a solid object that will only break your bones, although still probably kill you, but at least you will be in one piece (probably thanks to your leathers holding it all in).

:scratch:

Im missing the part where hitting solid objects at speed is safe.

How about we all agree to not crash?

The road is a solid object isn't it? Perhaps its the angle at which you hit it that is confusing you.

[MSTRS]

The road is a solid object isn't it? Perhaps its the angle at which you hit it that is confusing you.

And that is it. Angle.
With a WRB, the angle of strike is ALWAYS 90 degrees, no matter what the angle of approach is...

[DEATH_INC.]

So the argument against WRB is that if you come off your bike and hit it your a goner. 100% chance of getting cut in half because thats what happened in 100% of biker vs WRB accidents.

And the concrete barrier would be safer because its a solid object that will only break your bones, although still probably kill you, but at least you will be in one piece (probably thanks to your leathers holding it all in).

:scratch:

Im missing the part where hitting solid objects at speed is safe.


How about we all agree to not crash?
See that bloke in your avatar brushing the concrete wall? Go try it on a cheesecutter. Post up your results.

[sil3nt]

See that bloke in your avatar brushing the concrete wall? Go try it on a cheesecutter. Post up your results.Ok will be back soon just booked tickets to Macau. Hope they have the WRB in place by the time i get there.

[MSTRS]

Others have said it before but...
If that shit is so good, so safe, and cheap too, why isn't it used at race tracks? Instead of the much more dangerous smooth concrete walls?

[scumdog]

Others have said it before but...
If that shit is so good, so safe, and cheap too, why isn't it used at race tracks? Instead of the much more dangerous smooth concrete walls?

Why don't car drivers have to wear helmets when driving on the roads and streets, after all they're used on race-tracks...:whistle:

[Tony W]

Don't need 3000 words....

Motorcyclists need to stop thinking the road is a race track, and stop treating every ride like it was a race. And as for dirty overtaking tactics...they need to stop that too.

Fucken wanker.

All you Nana-nazis need to HTFU. . . . and spell correctly . . .. . . the word is " fuckin' " . . . It comes as no surprise that you know how to spell the other word :-)

[yungatart]

5 pages...I don't think the cheese cutter issue is dead and buried yet.....

[Grubber]

They have never worried me to be fair. don't ride to hit them usually.
I figure my chances are slimmer going round a blind bend without knowing whats ahead of me.
1 death due to WRB as opposed to how many hit trees and animals etc.
I'll just continue on taking due caution and see how i go.:woohoo:

[MSTRS]

I'll just continue on taking due caution ...

As we should at all times. But...
What happens if/when it goes wrong on a right-hander (oil on the road, say) and there's a WRB right where you need a little run-off?

[Grubber]

As we should at all times. But...
What happens if/when it goes wrong on a right-hander (oil on the road, say) and there's a WRB right where you need a little run-off?

Just like the tree or the aminal or the cow cockies large concrete post....i hit it and maybe i could die.....and maybe not.
I try and be carefull about that sort of thing really but i know the risks are gonna be there no matter what i do.

[MSTRS]

Yes, 'you' could hit a tree. Or something. Wouldn't you rather take your chances with objects/gaps - instead of no gap at all? And Transit make a point of removing trees etc that are close to the road edge too. Not so with WRB.

[Madness]

And the silly prick driving needs a kick in the nads for 'nodding off'....with no barrier where would he be?

It was the good old days when Royhipnol (Rolies) was in abundance :innocent:.

[Grubber]

Yes, 'you' could hit a tree. Or something. Wouldn't you rather take your chances with objects/gaps - instead of no gap at all? And Transit make a point of removing trees etc that are close to the road edge too. Not so with WRB.

Can't say that i have seen WRB round a bend. Only places i've seen it are on straight motorways. Could be wrong on that one but that's the only places i've seen it.
Certainly not enough of them to make me worry too much really. I'm more concerned about oncoming cars to be fair.

[oneofsix]

Can't say that i have seen WRB round a bend. Only places i've seen it are on straight motorways. Could be wrong on that one but that's the only places i've seen it.
Certainly not enough of them to make me worry too much really. I'm more concerned about oncoming cars to be fair.

could depend on your definition of bend. Come down this way and we can show you a nice curvy piece of road that was a joy to ride at 100k :shutup: which now has a WRB flanked by rumble strips down the middle and an 80k limit.

[scumdog]

could depend on your definition of bend. Come down this way and we can show you a nice curvy piece of road that was a joy to ride at 100k :shutup: which now has a WRB flanked by rumble strips down the middle and an 80k limit.

Ah, the 'perk' of living in a high-population part of the country...




Oh, the nearest WRB to me is 80km from here...

[oneofsix]

Ah, the 'perk' of living in a high-population part of the country...

Oh, the nearest WRB to me is 80km from here...

arghhhhh there is no real reply to that :crybaby:. Come play with the cages, got to go miles before you can get some clear road which hasn't been crafted for morons and still they're killing us.

[MSTRS]

Can't say that i have seen WRB round a bend. Only places i've seen it are on straight motorways. Could be wrong on that one but that's the only places i've seen it.
Certainly not enough of them to make me worry too much really. I'm more concerned about oncoming cars to be fair.

You need to get out more...
Oh - and how much of it would be enough to make you worried?

[DEATH_INC.]

Can't say that i have seen WRB round a bend. Only places i've seen it are on straight motorways.
Come ride through the Dome valley then. Stupid things are even where there's nothing really to hit on the outside of bends.

[MSTRS]

Come ride through the Dome valley then. Stupid things are even where there's nothing really to hit on the outside of bends.

Outside on right-handers. Down the middle on left-handers. Some places (Rangiriri for instance) it's on both sides of you.

I compiled a list here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/134851-The-Bikers-Political-Party?p=1129993856#post1129993856) in another thread. That list is only the places in the North Is that I've personally ridden past. And I forgot the Dome Valley...

[DEATH_INC.]

Just like the tree or the aminal or the cow cockies large concrete post....i hit it and maybe i could die.....and maybe not.
I try and be carefull about that sort of thing really but i know the risks are gonna be there no matter what i do.
You really don't get it do you? It's about minimizing the risks, some things must be there, some don't need to be. A safety device that is more dangerous than another viable option, and sometimes even more dangerous than nothing isn't really that safe is it?

[DEATH_INC.]

Outside on right-handers. Down the middle on left-handers. Some places (Rangiriri for instance) it's on both sides of you.

In the dome there's patches of it on the OUTSIDE of right handers too... :facepalm:

[MSTRS]

Yeah Andy - that's what I said...

[Maha]

Come ride through the Dome valley then. Stupid things are even where there's nothing really to hit on the outside of bends.

....and thats a heavily patroled 80kph bit of road.
The bit that gets the most attention in the dome is the down hill right hand corner about 1k from the newish passing lane. Only yesterday they were replacing a rather fucked bit of armco. I hope the killer barriers are never installed in that spot.

[Dave-]

I think the wire rope barriers look better than ugly grey concrete too.

[MSTRS]

One of the nicest things about them is the view of all that safe runout just there on the other side...
How many limbs is the price of admittance?

[Maha]

WRBs/ACC Levies/Stealth Levies/Road Toll etc...lump it all in with the Climate change and Global warming....alot of talk but very little action, thats the way the Government like it.
Hundreds attended the Cheesecutter protest (whenever that was, cant remember exactly) and thousands attended the Levy protest in 09' ...but then it all went quite, failure to capitalize on the initial big bang spells the end to be honest.
Once again, thats the way the Government like it.

Several of us were told late last year by an MP that the Pollies were infact gobsmacked at the turnout in Wellington in 09'...jaw-dropped I think was the term used.
That moment can never be reclaimed.
Thats the way the Government like it.

[PrincessBandit]

WRBs/ACC Levies/Stealth Levies/Road Toll etc.......alot of talk but very little action, thats the way u-huh u-huh
the Government like it. yeah.
Hundreds attended the Cheesecutter protest ..... failure to capitalize on the initial big bang spells the end to be honest....and
Once again, thats the way u-huh u-huh the Government like it. oh yeah.

Several of us were told late last year by an MP that the Pollies were infact gobsmacked ..............That moment can never be reclaimed. And
Thats the way u-huh u-huh the Government like it.

Just wee bit of editing there - you've got a hit on your hands :msn-wink:

[Freshh2o]

http://www.basyc.com.au/files/Basyc_resume_LBi.pdf

[MSTRS]

Me likee...that's Armco taken care of. Now...WRBs???

[Tigadee]

Now THAT'S a proper safety barrier!