Paeroa on tv? (6 March)

[Mental Trousers]

Freeview is listing the Paeroa Street Race on TV One, today @ 2:00pm.

Not sure if that's correct or not. But I'm gonna wait and see if it is.

[onearmedbandit]

Seen the same myself, waiting patiently now.

[AllanB]

Ditto - pissing down and cold in Christchurch. Log burner going and waiting for the racing at 2.00pm. Beats watching the stream break the bank!

The fishing show on now is entertaining - but I cannot believe the noise they make! I go fishing for peace and quiet!

[Mental Trousers]

I can't believe how much hugging they do on that fishing show .... :facepalm:

[george formby]

Feck! Arse!

I'm stuck in the bloody shop. Their goes my "look it's me!" moment.

[Mental Trousers]

I'm stuck in the bloody shop. Their goes my "look it's me!" moment.

I'm hoping they don't show mine - stuck on the start line cos I couldn't get 1st gear :(

[Virago]

I can't believe how much hugging they do on that fishing show .... :facepalm:

I hit the mute button - couldn't stand all the Billy T style giggling...

Yay - it's on...

[george formby]

:no::violin::wait::beer:

[puddytat]

Awwww fuck this is awesome Bro, & only 1/2 way thru!!!
Wicked prang in the Bears race !!

[Tink]

Awwww fuck this is awesome Bro, & only 1/2 way thru!!!
Wicked prang in the Bears race !!

Some said he broke his pelvis No 54 , but he looked ok to me. And they said he stood up after... was a site when he went over... glad he is ok though. (edit: glad they both ok)

[george formby]

Awwww fuck this is awesome Bro, & only 1/2 way thru!!!
Wicked prang in the Bears race !!

:wait: Really, that's not fair!

[Mental Trousers]

I'm hoping they don't show mine - stuck on the start line cos I couldn't get 1st gear :(

Camera angle didn't show it but the last bike away from the line (other than me) put 100m on me before I grabbed 2nd gear and got moving.

Very good coverage, although it did end up being a bit of a Formula Paeroa benefit.

[Quasievil]

Anyone got a link to the tv on demand, I cant find it on there

[onearmedbandit]

Anyone got a link to the tv on demand, I cant find it on there

For the Yamaha sponsored event Bret?

[White trash]

For the Yamaha sponsored event Bret?

Lol. Shitstirrer.
Funnily enough, seeing as they mostly only showed the Formula Paeroa races, Yamaha got more mention than the event sponsor, Mobil 1. Good ol' NZ TV fucking things up again.

[2wheeled Gasman]

Anyone got a link to the tv on demand, I cant find it on there

Here you go

http://tvnz.co.nz/search/ta_ent_search_tv_skin.xhtml?q=nz+motorcycle&sort=date:D:S:d1

[NZsarge]

Was good to watch on the box, fuck i hate the muppet commentator though!

[White trash]

Was good to watch on the box, fuck i hate the muppet commentator though!

Phil Dark? He's a top bloke and a genuine motorcycle racing enthusiast. If you can do better, feel free to stick your name in the hat.

[Quasievil]

Here you go

http://tvnz.co.nz/search/ta_ent_search_tv_skin.xhtml?q=nz+motorcycle&sort=date:D:S:d1

Nope that dont work dude, nothing on Paeroa there

[onearmedbandit]

Phil Dark? He's a top bloke and a genuine motorcycle racing enthusiast. If you can do better, feel free to stick your name in the hat.

I thought he was quite good, although not sure about the 'backing it in Rossi styles' comments. Sure he's the biggest name in motorcycle racing but he's not the only rider doing it at that level. And I'm a massive Rossi fan.

[sil3nt]

Phil does a fairly good job but it can be painful at times. You see someone make a pass on screen and it takes him half a lap to notice.

The people on the camera are annoying. Battle for second going on and all they do is watch the leader go through the corner by himself.....

[NZsarge]

Phil Dark? He's a top bloke and a genuine motorcycle racing enthusiast. If you can do better, feel free to stick your name in the hat.
He might be a top bloke as i'm sure you are, can you tell me if that is commentated live during the event or later. Sorry but I don't like him as a commentator and i'm entitled to my opinion, he makes too many mistakes and comments on thing he doesn't have the facts straight on. That said i'll give Phil Dark one thing he's no where near as annoying as the Englishman that commentates on the WSBK broadcasts. It's not enough to be an enthusiast, some experience at a reasonable level in the sport you commentate on is always preferable. Just listen to the Australian that commentates on the WSBK with the Englishman, he's good because he knows completely what he's talking about. I know it's easy to be an armchair critic but don't pretend we don't all do that at some point...

Nope that dont work dude, nothing on Paeroa there
I wouldn't think it'd be up for a while mate give it some time, I don't think that broadcast program is finished yet

[2wheeled Gasman]

Nope that dont work dude, nothing on Paeroa there
Sorry dude but...
As usual we will have to wait for On Demand to post up the link, there is usually a delay after they screen a program to when you can view online, but i expect you will be able to use that link to view later

[White trash]

He might be a top bloke as i'm sure you are, can you tell me if that is commentated live during the event or later. Sorry but I don't like him as a commentator and i'm entitled to my opinion, he makes too many mistakes and comments on thing he doesn't have the facts straight on. That said i'll give Phil Dark one thing he's no where near as annoying as the Englishman that commentates on the WSBK broadcasts. It's not enough to be an enthusiast, some experience at a reasonable level in the sport you commentate on is always preferable. Just listen to the Australian that commentates on the WSBK with the Englishman, he's good because he knows completely what he's talking about. I know it's easy to be an armchair critic but don't pretend we don't all do that at some point...

Agreed, but what I'm saying is that no one better has put their hand up, and therfore Phil is it for now. It's also extremely difficult to get all of the facts 100% correct when it's not your full time job. That team works pretty bloody hard on race day to get around all the front runners, interviewing them between races and trying to get shots whilst there's other racing happening that they also have to shoot.

Seriously though, give comentating a go some time, it's fricken hard. I've done it myself and even turned down a gig commentating for the drag racing Nationals at Meremere a few years back as I was afraid of knowing less than the hardcore fans and looking like a dick.

Edit: Jellywrestler makes an AWESOME comentator but there's no way in hell you could televise his words of wisdom, the BSA would be flooded............

[cowboyz]

ill be keen to see it too!

[cave weta]

Shhhh you guys - Im trying to watch!

[NZsarge]

Agreed, but what I'm saying is that no one better has put their hand up, and therfore Phil is it for now. It's also extremely difficult to get all of the facts 100% correct when it's not your full time job. That team works pretty bloody hard on race day to get around all the front runners, interviewing them between races and trying to get shots whilst there's other racing happening that they also have to shoot.

Seriously though, give comentating a go some time, it's fricken hard. I've done it myself and even turned down a gig commentating for the drag racing Nationals at Meremere a few years back as I was afraid of knowing less than the hardcore fans and looking like a dick.

Edit: Jellywrestler makes an AWESOME comentator but there's no way in hell you could televise his words of wisdom, the BSA would be flooded............
All fair points but as I said i don't have to like it, there's alway the mute button anyway, I don't mind the interviewing side of it and i'm sure he and the broadcast team do work hard and i'm definitely not saying the job isn't difficult but some of the comments during the race are so obviously wrong as it can be seen on the broadcast but whatever at the end of the day it's not worth getting up over.

[cowboyz]

Shhhh you guys - Im trying to watch!

where? i hate on demand. i cant work it

[NZsarge]

where? i hate on demand. i cant work it

Too late, been and gone, should be on "on demand" later, shit man if I can work someone with all your skills must be able too.... :D

[Mom]

Was good to watch on the box, fuck i hate the muppet commentator though!

Went to school with Phill :D All he ever wanted to do was commentate on racing. He used to set himself up at our local Motorcross events and commentate them.

Shook his hand a couple of years ago at Paeroa, he was a bit busy at the time :D

[Mental Trousers]

Went to school with Phill :D All he ever wanted to do was commentate on racing. He used to set himself up at our local Motorcross events and commentate them.

Shook his hand a couple of years ago at Paeroa, he was a bit busy at the time :D

Sounds like he's living his dream then. Just wish he'd get it right a bit more often cos he's not bad except for the (numerous) mistakes.

[Mom]

Sounds like he's living his dream then. Just wish he'd get it right a bit more often cos he's not bad except for the (numerous) mistakes.

Some things never change :D

He was great back in the day of the amp and mic in the middle of BF nowhere back in the day. We dont have SKY so dont ever see/hear him. It was actually a really cool surprise to see him at Paeroa with a SKY shirt on.

Honestly he is living his dream.

[cowboyz]

Too late, been and gone, should be on "on demand" later, shit man if I can work someone with all your skills must be able too.... :D


tv on demand is a very very odd place.. I have never been able to find anything on it! shocker!!!!!

[NZsarge]

tv on demand is a very very odd place.. I have never been able to find anything on it! shocker!!!!!

I can see i'm gonna have to turn up and show you how to work the website.

[CHOPPA]

I can see i'm gonna have to turn up and show you how to work the website.

No 54 in the BEARS broke his pelvis in 4 places and has just had an op on weds to repair a 8cm tear in his rotator cuff.

I think Phill does a good job. I noticed a few mistakes but a lot of those mistakes was because you couldnt read the bloody numbers on the bikes

[onearmedbandit]

because you couldnt read the bloody numbers on the bikes

This is the biggest problem we found at the Timaru and ChCh rounds of the nationals. Instead of watching the racing for what it is you spend every minute trying to work out what number is on the bike so you can identify who's riding. You recognise a few, but after a while you just give up.

To be honest, something needs to be done about it. Bikes are so swept back in the front you can't see shit, and tail pieces are so small and flat that you can only see the number from directly above, which is really great when the bike is leaning away from you. How about introducing a clearly seen number on the lower section of the side fairing for fully-faired bikes?

[Kickaha]

To be honest, something needs to be done about it. Bikes are so swept back in the front you can't see shit, and tail pieces are so small and flat that you can only see the number from directly above, which is really great when the bike is leaning away from you. How about introducing a clearly seen number on the lower section of the side fairing for fully-faired bikes?

This was bought up with MNZ at the MNZ agm in Nelson some 2-3 years ago by one of the commentators who said it causes him problems, the reality is none (or very few) of the 600-1000 cc bikes comply and probably other classes (cept Sidecars) with the current MNZ regulations but MNZ have chosen to do nothing about it, perhaps because no one has complained to them about it

[onearmedbandit]

Maybe if someone complained about it on a forum. That ought to do it.

Give me an email address and I'll send one straight away.

[jellywrestler]

This was bought up with MNZ at the MNZ agm in Nelson some 2-3 years ago by one of the commentators who said it causes him problems, the reality is none (or very few) of the 600-1000 cc bikes comply and probably other classes (cept Sidecars) with the current MNZ regulations but MNZ have chosen to do nothing about it, perhaps because no one has complained to them about it It's been pointed out again and again to all sorts of officials.
Spectators lose interest as they can't follow a bike as it's numbers are too difficult to read, vicious circle, spectators lose interest, they don't go etc.
Modern bikes have more options than you think, look at Tony Rees's R1 for example.
Someone needs to put their foot down and start insisting on ledgible numbers quite simply

[cowboyz]

I can see i'm gonna have to turn up and show you how to work the website.

bring chips with that...

[trailblazer]

I thought it was very good coverage and good racing. Man i wish i was able to make it.

[Tony.OK]

http://tvnz.co.nz/one-sport/game-s2011-060311-motorcycling-video-4045988
:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

[2wheeled Gasman]

http://tvnz.co.nz/one-sport/game-s2011-060311-motorcycling-video-4045988
:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

Nice one dude. All we had to do was wait....:corn:

[cowboyz]

thanks for that.. awesome footage

[wharfy]

It's been pointed out again and again to all sorts of officials.
Spectators lose interest as they can't follow a bike as it's numbers are too difficult to read, vicious circle, spectators lose interest, they don't go etc.
Modern bikes have more options than you think, look at Tony Rees's R1 for example.
Someone needs to put their foot down and start insisting on ledgible numbers quite simply

I'd be pretty surprised if anybody told me they couldn't be arsed going to a bike meet because they couldn't read the numbers !

They might whinge about it though.

But I agree that number should be readable so officials can identify the bike.

Who knows, Kiwi's are funny buggers though, they will pay hundreds of dollars to jam into the Westpack Stadium and drink overpriced shit beer to see a show by some has-been band for a couple of hours.
But I have seen half a dozen motorcyclists ride up to the gate at a national round - look at the $20 entry price and then ride off !!! These were guys who rode bikes !!
They had ridden from somewhere to Feilding (I'm sure locals would have figured out how to get in for free :) ) but decided that $20 was to much for a whole day of motorcycle total immersion - access to the pits, the riders, free grandstand entry and Budgeon and Stroud swapping paint on 180+HP superbikes, the crowd that was there were on their feet cheering during the Superbike race !!

Disclaimer - of course my bike does not have complaint numbers :facepalm:

[codgyoleracer]

It's been pointed out again and again to all sorts of officials.
Spectators lose interest as they can't follow a bike as it's numbers are too difficult to read, vicious circle, spectators lose interest, they don't go etc.
Modern bikes have more options than you think, look at Tony Rees's R1 for example.
Someone needs to put their foot down and start insisting on ledgible numbers quite simply

BIG numbers on side panels or belly pans. Forget the tail piece, they are like wafers nowadays aye. & yes we should not forget the importance of numbers & there relevance & consistency with good quality printed programs.

P.S , great effort with the Paeroa printed program, best i have seen for a few years anywhere.

[onearmedbandit]

I'd be pretty surprised if anybody told me they couldn't be arsed going to a bike meet because they couldn't read the numbers !

[/SIZE]

It's a local series, with local riders, and the spectators can't tell who the fuck is riding what bike. My g/f and I spent ages trying to identify riders we know of so we could watch them perform, but other than a few riders identifiable by their leathers or fairings we just gave up. I'm a motorcyclist and a motorcycle racing enthusiast, so is she, but we lost interest.

Yep we'll go again, good to support those local riders and help provide money so the series exists, just a pity they won't support us by clearly identifying who is who. But of course it's too hard to put a number on the lower edge of a side fairing...

[Mental Trousers]

When I was doing the stickers for my bike I considered putting the number on the lower fairing (like the Sterilgarda Yamahas in WSBK) just in front of my shin where it would be easily seen as even on my bike (which has quite a whale tail) the number on the rear fairing can be difficult to read. In the end I decided to put it on the tail because that's what the rules said.

[onearmedbandit]

I can understand the rules, for race bikes from the 80's and 90's. But from 2000 onwards the move has been towards smaller and flatter tail sections, yet the rules haven't been updated?

[Quasievil]

When I was doing the stickers for my bike I considered putting the number on the lower fairing (like the Sterilgarda Yamahas in WSBK) just in front of my shin where it would be easily seen as even on my bike (which has quite a whale tail) the number on the rear fairing can be difficult to read. In the end I decided to put it on the tail because that's what the rules said.

Yeah but your more considerate than most of the other guys as you ride a bit slower to give us a chance to read them, the crowds appreciate it dude
Nice one :yes:


hehehehehee

[Billy]

I can understand the rules, for race bikes from the 80's and 90's. But from 2000 onwards the move has been towards smaller and flatter tail sections, yet the rules haven't been updated?

As I understand it the rules have been changed to allow the use of numbers on the lower side of the fairing,Its just a case of convincing the minions to stop doing what theyve always done (some of us for 40 odd years)

[CHOPPA]

They are really strict on it in ozzy. has to be a certain size, font and background or you dont go on the track. The font it a bit gay but you can read everyones numbers

[merv]

Lol, bring back number boards http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=http://www.deejay51.com/6HR80%252030%2520RACE1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.deejay51.com/six_hour_1980.htm&usg=__PAPYwXBcktqySaTLFOXgdRgsUzw=&h=350&w=490&sz=53&hl=en&start=20&zoom=1&tbnid=rDa1hgX9kjePeM:&tbnh=142&tbnw=200&ei=xGJ0TerHMYGEvgO0wOW9AQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcastrol%2Bsix%2Bhour%26um%3D1%26hl%3D en%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1T4GGLJ_enNZ312NZ312%26biw%3D1 259%26bih%3D790%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=281&oei=RWJ0TeecJ4nIuAPdmPy_AQ&page=2&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:20&tx=89&ty=71

[Bykmad]

OK Guys, here is fair warning. I am the Steward of the Meeting for the Hampton Downs round of the MNZ Castrol Power 1 Superbike Championship.. I have made a template of clear acrylic, engraved with the minimum size number (as per Rule book). It can be easily placed over the numbers on your bike and demonstrates (you can see through the acrylic) whether the number is of the correct size or NOT. This template is already in the hands of the scrutineers for this event. It was used during the Tri Series and was also at Paeroa, though it was only used to advise competitors that there was a problem at these events.
Last year at Hampton Downs, it was almost impossible to make out the numbers on competitors bikes, so it is not just spectators, but commentators and officials who cannot make out the numbers. It is very hard to impose a penalty on the correct rider, when no-one can read the numbers on the bike.
PLEASE make an effort to ensure that your numbers are legible.

[onearmedbandit]

OK Guys, here is fair warning. I am the Steward of the Meeting for the Hampton Downs round of the MNZ Castrol Power 1 Superbike Championship.. I have made a template of clear acrylic, engraved with the minimum size number (as per Rule book). It can be easily placed over the numbers on your bike and demonstrates (you can see through the acrylic) whether the number is of the correct size or NOT. This template is already in the hands of the scrutineers for this event. It was used during the Tri Series and was also at Paeroa, though it was only used to advise competitors that there was a problem at these events.
Last year at Hampton Downs, it was almost impossible to make out the numbers on competitors bikes, so it is not just spectators, but commentators and officials who cannot make out the numbers. It is very hard to impose a penalty on the correct rider, when no-one can read the numbers on the bike.
PLEASE make an effort to ensure that your numbers are legible.

That's all good and proper, it really is. However, late model bikes have flat thin, in some instance almost non-existent tail sections. How about introducing a number board in the front lower corner of the fully faired bikes? This will be visible when the bike is upright and also banked over.

[CHOPPA]

OK Guys, here is fair warning. I am the Steward of the Meeting for the Hampton Downs round of the MNZ Castrol Power 1 Superbike Championship.. I have made a template of clear acrylic, engraved with the minimum size number (as per Rule book). It can be easily placed over the numbers on your bike and demonstrates (you can see through the acrylic) whether the number is of the correct size or NOT. This template is already in the hands of the scrutineers for this event. It was used during the Tri Series and was also at Paeroa, though it was only used to advise competitors that there was a problem at these events.
Last year at Hampton Downs, it was almost impossible to make out the numbers on competitors bikes, so it is not just spectators, but commentators and officials who cannot make out the numbers. It is very hard to impose a penalty on the correct rider, when no-one can read the numbers on the bike.
PLEASE make an effort to ensure that your numbers are legible.


I know its prob in the rule book but what are the minimum dimensions?

[satchriossi]

BIG numbers on side panels or belly pans. Forget the tail piece.

I agree with and support this idea.

[Burrt Badger]

I agree with and support this idea.

Put the numbers on your lower fairings as well. That way you have fulfilled Rule requirements AND spectators and commentators can still tell who you are. Competitors NEED the spectators, be it on TV or at the circuit, to know who they are and who their sponsors are.

[Mental Trousers]

I know its prob in the rule book but what are the minimum dimensions?

10.2.3 ROAD RACING
Appendix’s A, C, G and I the following rules apply:
Number Boards
<ul><li>Size: Minimum width 285mm, minimum height 235mm, oval or rectangular in shape.
<li>Placement: Fairing, front of fairing one number board facing forward.
</ul>
Numbers may also be placed on both sides of the fairing
<ul><li>Rear Tailpiece; minimum of one number on rear seat tailpiece.
</ul>
Figures all classes:
Figures must be clearly legible and both numbers and backgrounds must be in a non-gloss finish
A plain form of figure shall be used.
Colours:
<ul><li>125cc & 150 S/S White background, black figures
<li>Prolite Orange background black figures
<li>Superlite Black background, white figures
<li>600 SuperSport Yellow background, black figures
<li>Superbike White background, black figures
<li>Sidecars – Formula One White background, black figures
<li>Sidecars – Formula Two Yellow background, black figures
<li>Pro Twin Orange background, black figures
<li>600 Superstock Black background yellow figures
<li>1000 Superstock Red background yellow figures
</ul>
Only FIM Licence holders will be permitted to use letters.
All other markings or number plates on the motorcycle likely to cause
confusion must be removed or covered over.

[discodan]

I don't think numbers are such a big problem for spectators. OK maybe for officials (not timing) it can be a problem but the average spectator does not look out for race numbers.

Humans remember colours and shapes much easier than numbers. Think of a rider in motogp, do you remember what their bike looks like or what their race number is?!

[onearmedbandit]

I don't think numbers are such a big problem for spectators. OK maybe for officials (not timing) it can be a problem but the average spectator does not look out for race numbers.

Humans remember colours and shapes much easier than numbers. Think of a rider in motogp, do you remember what their bike looks like or what their race number is?!

You're speaking to a spectator here who had an issue with it. Every other spectator I spoke to complained of the same problem. MotoGP? I can look anywhere online and find a million pics of those guys and their bikes, NZ racing is hardly in the same league of promotion.

But as long as you don't think it's an issue disco. I won't be seeing you around the track because the programmes only tell me race numbers, not colours. The racer who rep'ed me saying 'cheers there will be a big xx on my fairing' will be getting my attention.

[White trash]

How about introducing a number board in the front lower corner of the fully faired bikes? This will be visible when the bike is upright and also banked over.

Like the AWESOME NS400R 233895 of yesteryear. Fuckin oath brother, I'm with you.

You will, however, have racers now crying about having to change their graphics design and it'll be a bit of nightmare for big sponsors. You do need to remember one thing, I know A LOT of racers and none of them are racing for the spectators enjoyment.

[onearmedbandit]

I know A LOT of racers and none of them are racing for the spectators enjoyment.

I agree with you there mate, in fact I'd say none of them are racing for the spectators enjoyment. But would they still have a national series without spectators? If so, then sweet I'll save my money and go out for a ride instead. You see, standing on the side of an embankment for 8hrs listening to garbled shit coming across a 60yr old PA system in rain and wind ranks pretty low on my list of 'fun' things. But I know a few racers now, and am a fan of RRR superbike team so to ensure the series gets better I put up with that, and I encourage as many other people to get out there as well.

But if the racing fraternity don't give a fuck about the paying spectators being able to identify who is who, then they can do it on their own.

Funny but I recall threads where racers have been complaining about low spectator numbers at events, and what can be done to reverse that.

[White trash]

I agree with you there mate, in fact I'd say none of them are racing for the spectators enjoyment. But would they still have a national series without spectators? If so, then sweet I'll save my money and go out for a ride instead. You see, standing on the side of an embankment for 8hrs listening to garbled shit coming across a 60yr old PA system in rain and wind ranks pretty low on my list of 'fun' things. But I know a few racers now, and am a fan of RRR superbike team so to ensure the series gets better I put up with that, and I encourage as many other people to get out there as well.

But if the racing fraternity don't give a fuck about the paying spectators being able to identify who is who, then they can do it on their own.

Funny but I recall threads where racers have been complaining about low spectator numbers at events, and what can be done to reverse that.

Preaching to the choir my friend, you're 100% correct. In fact, maybe that's been the issue all along. Racers bitch that no one comes to watch, and what are MNZ doing about it, when in fact, they could do a HELL of a lot to make it more pleasurable themselves.

[jellywrestler]

I don't think numbers are such a big problem for spectators.
Humans remember colours and shapes much easier than numbers.
absolute popycock.
Then why do they buy programmes??? when the commetator mentions a name people want to follow it, either using the number stated by the commetator or cross referencing the name in the programme.
People soon lose interest if they don't know whose who.
simple as that

[codgyoleracer]

I don't think numbers are such a big problem for spectators. OK maybe for officials (not timing) it can be a problem but the average spectator does not look out for race numbers.

Humans remember colours and shapes much easier than numbers. Think of a rider in motogp, do you remember what their bike looks like or what their race number is?!


In answer to your question - watching world supers the other day from Aussie & especially the 600s, with so many new names & bike colours out there , - the primary reference i had for "who was who" was definatley the number. And in main the front number as this one is most TV friendly.

For instance Haga & J Rea, had very similar colours - and hard to distinguish, but number no problem. Team-mates on the same colour scheme have the same issue.

I say - get the basics right for the spectators at all key meetings. 1) A sound system that can be heard at popular standing/sitting points, clear numbers, good programmes, a variety of food stalls (healthy & junk), some shade points if needed, + places for mum & the kids to go and hide from the noise.

But who/how do you do it all, Suggestions please ???????:yes:

[onearmedbandit]

I say - get the basics right for the spectators at all key meetings. 1) A sound system that can be heard at popular standing/sitting points, clear numbers, good programmes, a variety of food stalls (healthy & junk), some shade points if needed, + places for mum & the kids to go and hide from the noise.

But who/how do you do it all, Suggestions please ???????:yes:

Start with getting the numbers easily viewable on all the bikes. I don't need the commentary most of the time. However a lot of people do, so MNZ need to ensure that everyone can hear what is being said. Who heard the national anthem being played at Ruapuna? No one, that's who, what everyone heard was some screeching coming at you in 100 different pitches. Yes yes it should be the responsibility of the track, but if they are not going to do it, then MNZ need to address it, maybe with the track owners.

The programmes are already fantastic, no worries there. Shelter? To be honest I realise that at an outdoor event I'll have to put up with the elements. Same as an open air concert. However, at an open air concert I can at least hear shit and I know who is playing.

Didn't Peter Fenton organise for SubWay to be at the John Britten event? What's stopping this from happening again? Surely SubWay can be convinced to come on board, what with a captive market and all.

[discodan]

But as long as you don't think it's an issue disco. I won't be seeing you around the track because the programmes only tell me race numbers, not colours. The racer who rep'ed me saying 'cheers there will be a big xx on my fairing' will be getting my attention.

I know what you are saying and it sounds like you are not the average spectator but I always hear people talking about 'the guy on the [insert colour here] bike' rather than their race number.

And I think you WILL see me on the track actually due to the bright colours on my bike! :p

[onearmedbandit]

I know what you are saying and it sounds like you are not the average spectator but I always hear people talking about 'the guy on the [insert colour here] bike' rather than their race number.

Usually followed by, 'oh you mean #12?'.


And I think you WILL see me on the track actually due to the bright colours on my bike! :p

I'll see you, but unless you've got your race number displayed where I can see it I won't know it's you...

[Bykmad]

Didn't Peter Fenton organise for SubWay to be at the John Britten event? What's stopping this from happening again? Surely SubWay can be convinced to come on board, what with a captive market and all.

Problem being that ALL circuits have contracts with caterers and that contract excludes ANY other caterers being able to operate or provide food of any type within the venue

[onearmedbandit]

Problem being that ALL circuits have contracts with caterers and that contract excludes ANY other caterers being able to operate or provide food of any type within the venue

Wonder-fucken-full. So we're stuck eating hot dogs and chips from a shitty old caravan? If that's the case, I don't see any progress being made in making bike-racing events more spectator friendly. No slight against the racers.

[Quasievil]

Doesnt help either that they all wear the same leathers
Fuck me, I reckon in one race I counted 5 guys wearing the same bright orange and black Bericks, what the fuck is that all about.


especially when you can get a full custom one piece for not alot more from many of the fine suppliers in New Zealand.:innocent:

[Billy]

Start with getting the numbers easily viewable on all the bikes. I don't need the commentary most of the time. However a lot of people do, so MNZ need to ensure that everyone can hear what is being said. Who heard the national anthem being played at Ruapuna? No one, that's who, what everyone heard was some screeching coming at you in 100 different pitches. Yes yes it should be the responsibility of the track, but if they are not going to do it, then MNZ need to address it, maybe with the track owners.
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MNZ do NOT run the meetings!They are run by the clubs,If you have an issue with the way your local round is being run,Contact Mick Ruane @ Motorcycling Canterbury

[Billy]

In answer to your question the primary reference i had for "who was who" was definatley the number. And in main the front number as this one is most TV friendly.


Speaking of which,Thats a funny looking number 2 on the front of your bike.Bwahahahahahahaha

[onearmedbandit]

MNZ do NOT run the meetings!They are run by the clubs,If you have an issue with the way your local round is being run,Contact Mick Ruane @ Motorcycling Canterbury

Thanks for clearing that up. I know Mick, and I know he's aware about the quality of the sound at the Ruapuna round.

Who runs the national series? There must be a governing body right?

[Billy]

Thanks for clearing that up. I know Mick, and I know he's aware about the quality of the sound at the Ruapuna round.

Who runs the national series? There must be a governing body right?

Err,So if you know Mick and you know hes aware theres a problem with the sound system at Ruapuna and that he was the event coordinator,Then why are you blaming MNZ for it ???

MNZ oversee the running of the National series,They make the rules and then delegate the enforcing of them too the clubs running the events and their local MNZ senior steward,If these people are happy the numbers are readable then thats all thats required.

If your not happy the jobs being done properly then contact the MNZ presidant or the chairman of the roadrace commission and let them know how it can be made better and why.

[onearmedbandit]

Err,So if you know Mick and you know hes aware theres a problem with the sound system at Ruapuna and that he was the event coordinator,Then why are you blaming MNZ for it ???

Err, so where did I say again that I knew Mick was the event coordinator? I know Mick in passing, and I know from speaking to people he was there helping, but that's as far as I knew regarding his involvement of the event.


MNZ oversee the running of the National series,They make the rules and then delegate the enforcing of them too the clubs running the events and their local MNZ senior steward,If these people are happy the numbers are readable then thats all thats required.

If your not happy the jobs being done properly then contact the MNZ presidant or the chairman of the roadrace commission and let them know how it can be made better and why.

I will send an email, I asked earlier in the thread for an email address so I could. My point is that as most people would assume the national series falls under the control of the a governing body, not the local club, then that's where the questions will be aimed at. If I was running a series (and I would not have the foggiest how to do so) then I would make sure that it was run in a way that reflected it in the highest possible light.

[codgyoleracer]

Speaking of which,Thats a funny looking number 2 on the front of your bike.Bwahahahahahahaha

Much better than.....Umm Err....62 is it now Billy ??:facepalm:

[jellywrestler]

Much better than.....Umm Err....62 is it now Billy ??:facepalm: 05.31AM nocturnal erections getting the better of you Glen?

[Billy]

Much better than.....Umm Err....62 is it now Billy ??:facepalm:

Now thats just nasty,You leave my age out of it!

5.31am! its a bit late to start training now,The horse has already bolted LOL

1st loser,61st loser,Makes no difference really EH!

[Kickaha]

but I always hear people talking about 'the guy on the [insert colour here] bike' rather than their race number.

Probably because no one can see what his fucking number is


Problem being that ALL circuits have contracts with caterers and that contract excludes ANY other caterers being able to operate or provide food of any type within the venue

Not sure about that, Food at the bike meets at Ruapuna is pretty fucking average but at the bigger car meetings it's a few levels above that with a lot more choice

When I raced 250 Superkarts no one ran legal number because they were bigger than what you could buy off the shelf

When I built my Kart I had legal numbers made, the officials took one look at them at scrutineering said "they'll be easy to read" and made pulled everyone else up for having undersized numbers

Oh yeah, sidecars have no problem with nice easy to read legal sized numbers :bleh:

[Burrt Badger]

Not sure about that, Food at the bike meets at Ruapuna is pretty fucking average but at the bigger car meetings it's a few levels above that with a lot more choice

You obviously have never organised a Race Meeting. The circuits have a contract with a service provider (Caterer). NO OTHER CATERER CAN PROVIDE SERVICE OF ANY KIND WITHIN THE VENUE! It took 3 years (96 - 99) of bitching and complaining to get the caterers to provide water and Sports drinks at Pukekohe. Circuit owners generally think of Motorcycle Road Race events as " Minor" events. NZ V8's and the Aussie V8 Supercars have spectator numbers behind them and can negotiate one off deals. Mind you, Austin's at Hampton Downs provide bloody good food at a reasonable price.

[Kickaha]

You obviously have never organised a Race Meeting. The circuits have a contract with a service provider (Caterer). NO OTHER CATERER CAN PROVIDE SERVICE OF ANY KIND WITHIN THE VENUE! .

Then how is it that the major car events at Ruapuna provide a level and choice well above what we normally see at an equivalent motorcycle event?

[Burrt Badger]

NZ V8's and the Aussie V8 Supercars have spectator numbers behind them and can negotiate one off deals.

Didnt I answer that???????

[Kickaha]

NZ V8's and the Aussie V8 Supercars have spectator numbers behind them and can negotiate one off deals.

Didnt I answer that???????

I wasn't actually talking about those events, but it would be one with higher spectator numbers

[Burrt Badger]

I wasn't actually talking about those events, but it would be one with higher spectator numbers

You just answered your question. Until we have a "presence" as in big spectator numbers and a big "profile" we are treated as second class citizens. We have no negotiating power.

[onearmedbandit]

Burrt, you say the 'circuits have a contract with a service provider (caterer).' Did you mean the organiser or the circuit itself? Because if it is the circuit then surely regardless of numbers at the event the caterer would be the same. IE, at the car events kickaha refers to he talks of a higher class of food, yet at the same circuit the motorcycle racing has hotdogs and chips.

[Bykmad]

Burrt, you say the 'circuits have a contract with a service provider (caterer).' Did you mean the organiser or the circuit itself? Because if it is the circuit then surely regardless of numbers at the event the caterer would be the same. IE, at the car events kickaha refers to he talks of a higher class of food, yet at the same circuit the motorcycle racing has hotdogs and chips.

If the prospective crowd is bigger than the contracted caterer can cover then there is room for other caterers to be utilised, but, we do not have crowds that big. Hence, we get what we get.