Jade Stadium or housing?

[Swoop]

With earthquake damage rife throughout Christchurch, Jade stadium has been damaged and needs work rebuilding it to host RWC games.

10,000 homes are/will be demolished due to damage (according to numbers being bandied around).

The question is whether to divert skilled builders to do repair work on a stadium Vs building homes? Builders are a limited resource and are going to be in demand.

Winter is coming and people will need something of substance to live in. Camping may not be a preferred option.

An estimated $50 million was intended to come into Chch over the RWC games. Hotels, bars, restaurants, entertainment, etc, would be needed to generate anywhere near this amount.

The morale of the city and pride of the region does go a long way with hosting seven of the games.

Dollars will not be an issue, presuming insurance comes to the rescue on that front...

[Bald Eagle]

Let me think now ..... peoples needs or profit for the IRB ? spot the no brainer here.

[slofox]

Let me think now ..... peoples needs or profit for the IRB ? spot the no brainer here.

Don't forget that the dollar is GOD these days...

[Murray]

Jade stadium was gone about 5 years ago, however the AMI should be looked at dependent on cost. I feel sorry for the people of Canterbury and would think with their proud rugby traditions world cup matches played there in 6 months times would be just the boost in spirits they need!!! Like starting again!!

[mashman]

it ain't like there aren't any other stadiums in the country. Housing all the way...

[Maha]

I can see builders from all over flocking to CH-CH in the next while.
Where ever there is little work, those buliders will have an endless amount of work to do in the Canterbury region, same with all trades really.
I knew a bloke who went to Drawin shorty after cyclone tracey smashed it to bits, he made a fortune.
The issue with the Stadium is the limited time, not so with the houses.

[DEATH_INC.]

It's only rugby :dodge:

[MadDuck]

I can see builders from all over flocking to CH-CH in the next while.

A lot of them did that after September......got sick of waiting so went to Aussie to help rebuild after the floods.

[Maha]

A lot of them did that after September......got sick of waiting so went to Aussie to help rebuild after the floods.

Certainly wouldn't rush down there just yet, would be a smarter move to wait until the call goes out, and that will happen. Alot of demo work and clean up to be done yet. Pegasus (30 minutes north of the city0 is the happening place, but, the developer said last night, even if the consents were rushed through, its still a 8-9 year project to build 1300 houses.

[AllanB]

Sick of hearing about the RWC and Christchurch. My opinion is that they can piss off I don't want it here, really it is totally insignificant for the city at the moment and who in their right mind would want to come here and sit in a stadium with 40,000 people! Bloody thing might sink!

The IRB won't have a bean of it in CHCH - their insurance guys will not be interested.

[Banditbandit]

It's only rugby :dodge:

OOOoooooh you phillistine you :gob:

[JimO]

I can see builders from all over flocking to CH-CH in the next while.
Where ever there is little work, those buliders will have an endless amount of work to do in the Canterbury region, same with all trades really.


i have heard that the rates Fletchers were paying were pretty low like $35 a hr, not enough to run a business

[lostinflyz]

the issue is not so simple. In order for people to keep on surviving and thriving they must earn a living, and given the many areas that are suffering now, taking away a massive event and its money can just keep the suffering going. People need houses, but people need jobs and money too, and for anyone in the entertainment, dining, bar, hotel, catering, airline, rental business they need people from outta town to generate income, espcecially as so many locally will have to stop spending to rebuild homes, business ect ect.

Millions of dollars could flow into chch during the world cup, if the stadium is ok-ish. I think that money spreading through the region would do alot better than a few people having their homes repaired. major building would probably be unable to start prior to the RWC by the time all the politiking is sorted.

[Number One]

I wonder about all the extra STRAIN hosting those games would have on CHCH, 6 months is not that far away really...

The diversion of resources for repairing 'a sadium for a game' instead of homes could I imagine would be a rather bitter pill to swallow if I had a red stickered home or effluent etc swimming around in my backyard.

But then again, I'm not a cantab and I don't give a toss about rugby. Perhaps it would be a welcome and meaningful morale boost?

[JimO]

dunedin has a spare stadium

[Maha]

i have heard that the rates Fletchers were paying were pretty low like $35 a hr, not enough to run a business

Nice Salary though.

[JimO]

Nice Salary though.

out of that $35 you pay acc levvy, tax, holiday/stat day pay and run a work vehicle if they want tradesmen to go to to chch it has to be worth it financially. I was talking to a builder yesterday who worked out he would need $70 a hr per man to take his guys to chch as he would have to accommodate and feed them, the only people getting rich there will be fletchers

[Mom]

Reading between the lines I believe the stadium is not able to be reinstated in time for the RWC. The talk of cruise ships being used as accomodation is galant and wonderful but not part of package holiday costs.

I think that the announcement that CHCH wont be hosting any RWC gasmes is simply being delayed until moral ahs improved a bit down there and/or they have worked out a plan B.

W.H.O. guidelines state one of the 3 MUST HAVES for life is shelter. What do you reckon the chances are of a sporting stadium taking precedence over housing for the displaced in CHCH. My vote...

None.

[Oakie]

You could turn AMI Stadium into a camping ground for the displaced.

[Grumph]

out of that $35 you pay acc levvy, tax, holiday/stat day pay and run a work vehicle if they want tradesmen to go to to chch it has to be worth it financially. I was talking to a builder yesterday who worked out he would need $70 a hr per man to take his guys to chch as he would have to accommodate and feed them, the only people getting rich there will be fletchers

true...but remember this only applies to the Fletchers administered work being done for the EQC. New builds - and there will be plenty of them - will be done for the Insurance companies and will be done at current top rates...
There's still plenty of money to be made here but the risk for those of us whose damage is assessed at under the 100K ceiling is that there won't be enough builders willing to work for Fletchers rates. We'd finally had a Fletchers builder come to price it up just prior to the last quake - I'm not expecting any progress till next Summer now, if then...
Oh, and housing over Stadium, every time.

[AllanB]

Look at it this way, there were plenty of us hit bad in September 2010 - 6 months ago. Many have still not had settlement from EQC little lone any repairs, hell I had only had my insurance companies chaps around the week before this Tuesday disaster - he'll need to come back now as it has got a lot worse. Found out today from a 12 year old friend of my daughters that her mum did not like her at our house in case it collapsed in a aftershock! Suppose it does look a bit beaten up and I understand her feelings as a parent.

Thousands have been living with this shit for 6 months already. Literally - I know of streets that pre Tuesday still had portaloos and one that was basically using the streets main line as a septic tank - it was being pumped out by a truck every week.

And they want to spend millions ensuring a rugby game comes here ..............

Visiting fans can stay in tents in the park as I'd rather see the cities displaced in those cruise ships.

And Mr Keys Friday off - nice idea but buggered if I am going to stand in Hagley Park with tens of thousands of others. Even a mild aftershock could cause a human stampede that will cause more deaths.

How come nobody ever interviews me on TV? I might need to be on the late night news I think! :innocent:



And the Moon Man ............ ah fark - don't get me started.

[Shadows]

Surely building houses and repairing a stadium would require different skills and resources, and therefore different cunts would be undertaking the work - so I can't see any reason why both couldn't be done concurrently.
Therefore I voted "don't care", but not because I don't actually care. For the record I couldn't give a shit about thugby.

[Winston001]

i have heard that the rates Fletchers were paying were pretty low like $35 a hr, not enough to run a businessa

You raise a good point. Right now there is a lot of noise about rents being jacked up, shops raising prices, and tradesmen expecting to make a killing.

Up against that are the EQC accessors and insurance accessors - none of whom are going to be approving inflated quotes for repair work. So what will happen is parts of the process will fall into arguments and refusals between stubborn people while families wait for repair work to get started.

This delay has happened already from the September quake. EQC and insurance companies are well aware they can be ripped off, so they will pay some straight claims (good public relations) and dig their heels in on many many others.

Fletcher Building as a lead construction manager should be able to cut through some of the arguments but I note they expect their profit to fall because of the quake.

Leaving that aside, Dunedin has a magnificent new covered empty stadium. Funny old world innit. It's an ill wind which blows nobody any good... :innocent:

[FJRider]

Sick of hearing about the RWC and Christchurch. My opinion is that they can piss off I don't want it here, really it is totally insignificant for the city at the moment and who in their right mind would want to come here and sit in a stadium with 40,000 people! Bloody thing might sink!

The IRB won't have a bean of it in CHCH - their insurance guys will not be interested.

Sitting in an already earthquake damaged stadium ... in an earthquake prone area ... with 40,000 people ... may not be the preferred option of enough rugby fans anyway.

[Berries]

dunedin has a spare stadium
LMFAO.

Good example of fucked up priorities though.

[Maha]

My prediction is that any and all RWC games that were to be played in christchurch will now not happen.
Lets not kid ourselves here..The stadium will not be ready to house 40,000 + people.
Local Resturants and Bars will struggle to open.
The accomodation industry has taken a massive hit.

If this was anywhere else in the world, and I had tickets to games in a city where it had been smashed by an earthquake, I would not attend any games in that city 5-6 months out.
Its going to take years, not months for any sense of normallity to resume.
That is the reality.

[Swoop]

Local Resturants and Bars will struggle to open.
As SWMBO points out (Chch girl), tents could be erected in Hagley park and a German "beerfest" approach taken. Cantab's are proud rugby supporters.

Auckland is attempting something "on the cheap" for the Princess Wharf site...

[Maha]

As SWMBO points out (Chch girl), tents could be erected in Hagley park and a German "beerfest" approach taken. Cantab's are proud rugby supporters.

Auckland is attempting something "on the cheap" for the Princess Wharf site...

Sure, but where are they all going to sleep? Ultimately it will not be up to the rugby supporters. The whole infrastructure of Christchurch will not cope with the potential thousands of extras expected. Its been serverly damaged. There so much more to this arguement than, we love our rugby.
I really hope there can be a way found for the games to still be held in Chrischurch, just cant see it at the moment.

[Swoop]

Sure, but where are they all going to sleep?
Correct. Infrastructure to house visitors to the city Vs housing homeless residents...

[scumdog]

It's only rugby :dodge:

Amen to that...

[Drunken Monkey]

...How come nobody ever interviews me on TV?

It's a modern world - Take the bull by the horns. Interview yourself and post it on YouTube.

[Gremlin]

The people of Canterbury before all others... Why not bring the ships now, to help house residents aye?

[Shadowjack]

House the people. I'm aware of the psych boost/financial boost arguments, but we're talking about our people here. Not much of a city/country if we don't look after our people, ahead of a few rubber-necking tourists.


The people of Canterbury before all others... Why not bring the ships now, to help house residents aye?
I understand that the infrastructure to move people and goods to and from Lyttelton, or even Akaroa, is reasonably restricted. And so, even if we could get the ships, support for them would be limited.

[ellipsis]

...fuck the RWC...and thats coming from a true blue, dyed in the wool, one eyed Cantabrian, rugby loving maniac...

[Bald Eagle]

. a true blue, dyed in the wool, one eyed Cantabrian, rugby loving maniac...

Redundant repetition.

[ellipsis]

Redundant repetition.

...repetitively redundant...that must be how you would describe a lot of houses that got fucked in september and totally fucked this time...

[JMemonic]

Cruise ships, lmfao

Ok facts not emotive and speculative opinions are what is needed to make an informed decisions. There are not many cruise ships not pre booked ie as in planned sailing and berth routes through to 2013-2014, that is how far out these things are set up for, where these supposed ships are supposed to come from is beyond many I have spoken to in the industry.

Berths in Lyttelton are a little scarce at the best of times, there is a region that requires the goods shipped and supplied through the port, from everyday basics, fuel, lpg, fertilisers for farming, and many of the materials needed for the reconstruction of the city, sure they could be anchored in the harbour with services running to and from them via tender but that then becomes even costlier.

Simply cruise ships are not a practical solution.

[Swoop]

I would prefer to see camper vans utilised. in fact EVERY campervan we have in the country. There are two reasons why.

1. It will house people over this time of crisis.
2. It will get the bloody things off the roads!:banana:

[JMemonic]

I would prefer to see camper vans utilised. in fact EVERY campervan we have in the country. There are two reasons why.

1. It will house people over this time of crisis.
2. It will get the bloody things off the roads!:banana:

I like your thinking, in fact we have the market cornered in portaloo's here, your option looks even better, hell if we get onto knocking down some of the red stickered houses we could turn the lands into camp grounds. Swoop you may have a stumbled onto something here.

[Swoop]

I like your thinking, in fact we have the market cornered in portaloo's here, your option looks even better, hell if we get onto knocking down some of the red stickered houses we could turn the lands into camp grounds. Swoop you may have a stumbled onto something here.
No worries. My consulting rate is very reasonable!:cool:


(I'd just be glad to get the bastard things off of the roads!)

[avgas]

If you have to do one or the other do the stadium.

May as well have something attracting people to Christchurch. In fact while your at it change the name to "Jade Stadium Town"
J-town is a new beginning.

[Swoop]

Well, at least a decision has been made.


Most of the seven Rugby World Cup matches pulled from quake-damaged (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10712982)AMI Stadium are set to be moved to the North Island, despite the Government's desire to keep all the pool games in the South Island.

The high-profile match between Australia and Italy looks likely to be played at North Harbour Stadium, meaning at least three of Christchurch's games matches will move to Auckland.

Eden Park was announced yesterday as the new venue for the quarter-finals that were to have been played in Christchurch on October 8 and 9.

The Auckland stadium's 60,000-seat capacity and the fact that it is vacant that weekend - the other two quarter-finals are in Wellington - made that decision simple.

"Eden Park was the only logical alternative to stage two of the tournament's premier matches," said Rugby NZ 2011 chief executive Martin Snedden.

More difficult from a logistical and heart-strings standpoint will be the allocation of the five pool matches, including Argentina's games against England and Scotland.

Rugby World Cup Minister Murray McCully said yesterday the Government wanted Christchurch's five pool games to remain in the South Island.

But Mr Snedden said that while organisers were working hard to keep as many pool matches as possible in the South Island, two might have to be shifted across Cook Strait.

"Our instinct is today that three of the pool matches will go to the South Island," he said.

"I think that will probably result in each of the other venues around the South Island getting an extra match, but we'll tie that down in a few days.

"I also think it's probably likely that a couple will go to the North Island."

Auckland's hospitality and tourism industries will receive a huge boost from the decision.

RWC Auckland group chairwoman Rachael Dacy said services such as public transport, cleaning, waste and security would be increased.

"In terms of visitors, Auckland has matches allocated every single weekend except for that quarter-final weekend, so that means we have the capacity to welcome those additional visitors."

Auckland city councillor Cameron Brewer said the decision was bittersweet.

"There won't be one Auckland business person giving high-fives upon hearing the news," he said.

"We all feel sick for them [Christchurch]. It's a real shame for New Zealand business all round.

"A lot of visitors now won't get to the South Island, where the country's iconic beauty lies ... This is nothing for Auckland to celebrate."

But Auckland Mayor Len Brown said Aucklanders should not feel guilty.

"This is not an outcome that we wanted and we're doing this because it's required ... We regretfully stepped up."

Christchurch Mayor Bob Parker, who looked a dejected man at yesterday's announcement, said he felt "pretty gutted".

"From my heart, I will probably always fight this decision, that I will find hard to accept and perhaps even disagree with on some level.

"But in my head, what is important for us all to recognise is that this is an event that's bigger than Christchurch.

"We will get over it - we are Cantabs - and we're going to find the silver lining in everything. Just give us time."

Mr McCully said holders of tickets for the Christchurch matches would be offered refunds or tickets to reallocated games and the Government was discussing a travel deal to help such people get to Auckland on an "affordable basis".

The other South Island World Cup venues are Nelson's Trafalgar Park, Invercargill's Rugby Park and Dunedin's new stadium. All are smaller than Christchurch's 45,000-seat AMI Stadium.

It is unlikely Nelson or Invercargill will be considered for games between "big" nations.

Australia expect their two matches to be moved to Albany and Nelson - playing Italy at North Harbour Stadium on September 11 and Russia at Trafalgar Park on October 1.

Australian Rugby Union chief executive John O'Neill said yesterday's decision was tragic news, as Christchurch was a favourite venue for his country's team.

"We were going to spend 19 days there; it is [Wallaby coach] Robbie Deans' hometown and there were all sorts of strong connections for the Wallabies.

"We would like to stay close to Christchurch if we could, so perhaps Dunedin will end up as our base."

Deans, a former All Black, is a Canterbury local whose historic family homestead was wrecked by the first big earthquake on September 4.

He said he was not surprised by yesterday's decision.

"The people of Christchurch have more important issues to deal with as they endeavour to rebuild their city and their lives," Deans said.

Mr O'Neill said shifting the two quarter-finals to Auckland would not be difficult, but moving the other five matches would be "very challenging".

Invercargill could host England versus Georgia on September 18, meaning Argentina-Scotland or Argentina-England would be played in Dunedin.

Dunedin's under-construction roofed stadium has still to get clearance from the International Rugby Board and RNZ 2011, although Carisbrook Stadium Trust chairman Malcolm Farry said there "was no doubt" it would be ready by the August 1 deadline.

The city's historic Carisbrook ground is being maintained as a back-up venue.

Yesterday, World Cup organisers said contingency planning was at an advanced stage, but the allocation process was complex, as accommodation, transport and the broadcasting of matches had to be taken into account.

It is not only shifting the matches that is providing a logistical nightmare. Seven teams were to have used Christchurch as a training base for periods ranging from Argentina's three weeks to Georgia's three days.

Australia, England, Scotland, Italy and Russia were also to have been based in the city during the tournament.

Now, RNZ 2011 must find new homes for these teams.

[Usarka]

They're still chucking squillions of dollars at the stadium to get it ready for next year.