Optimum RPM to change gears on a Honda CBR 250R?

[Westy_mate]

So im taking my bike to the drags this friday night and i was wondering... what is the Optimum RPM to change gears on a Honda CBR 250R? i know it starts to pick up around 10k, any suggestions?

[98tls]

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[avgas]

First should change around 9-10K
Second 10-11K
Third 11-12K
Fourth go to the red cos your gonna run out of track.

If you have past 200m and your still in 3rd go for the red line.

You can go harder than this........but if you riding it home I don't recommend it on your first run.

[Westy_mate]

First should change around 9-10K
Second 10-11K
Third 11-12K
Fourth go to the red cos your gonna run out of track.

If you have past 200m and your still in 3rd go for the red line.

You can go harder than this........but if you riding it home I don't recommend it on your first run.

Last time i went i was pushing it to 17-18k each gear... and i rode home haha

[avgas]

Last time i went i was pushing it to 17-18k each gear... and i rode home haha
Oh shit, I totally forgot it was a 250.......yeah sorry add atleast 5K to all the things I said.

but yeah its not fun riding a bike back home with a toasted clutch DAMHIK.

Bloody tank was a second faster than me too.......bastard ;)

[Westy_mate]

Oh shit, I totally forgot it was a 250.......yeah sorry add atleast 5K to all the things I said.

but yeah its not fun riding a bike back home with a toasted clutch DAMHIK.

Bloody tank was a second faster than me too.......bastard ;)

haha and how would one toast his clutch? too much RPM off the mark?

[CRF119]

You need to take your bike for a ride on the open road and find out when your engine starts to drop in power. My mates CBR250 would rev to 20g but it stops making peak power at around 16 to 17g so anything past that you are better of in a new gear in a rev range that is making more power.

Starts, Go on the last orange.

You will need to slip the clutch for the first 10-15 meters to prevent bog but you don't want to have the revs way higher then what they need to be that will just wear your clutch out. (I don't think you will blow a CBR250 up or toast the clutch in a hurry tho.) I tend to keep the engine speed 1000rpm above what the normal road speed would be.

Once your moving quickly tuck in legs and head behind the fairings to prevent drag. Leather it the best for this to.

Pointers for the bike.

CBR250's go better with a fresh battery so if its getting old ditch it.

Also if you can do a run with out head lights on it will go faster because it doesn't have to generate power to run the lights.

Depending on the tune you are normally best to roll the throttle on rather then
straight to the stop

Have fun, Last time i went i got there early and the guys are more then happy to let you use more then your 3 runs. I did 6 before racing i think. :)

[HenryDorsetCase]

when the needle hits the "M" in "RPM"?

[koba]

May be of some help fella.

How not to launch it...

[tigertim20]

So im taking my bike to the drags this friday night and i was wondering... what is the Optimum RPM to change gears on a Honda CBR 250R? i know it starts to pick up around 10k, any suggestions?

For launching, holding around 1/2 - 2/3 the way round the tach, ease the clutch out as smoothly and quickly as possible, without the engine stalling.

as for when to change gear, go for a hoon, a straight road, a few full throttle runs, and figure out where the bike runs out of power, like someone else mentioned above, redline is at 20k, but peak power will be nearer to 17k. You probably find that at 17000rpm, you have 45HP, and at 18,500rpm, you have 42HP. Go for a run and see where you need to be changing.

When changing gears, Use clutchless shifts. as fast as possible go throttleoff/gear up/throttle on. Clutchless shifting WILL yield noticably quicker times. DONT do it on the road etc though. It will be fine for a run or two down the 1/4, but it will fuck your gearbox doing it everywhere on the road.

Lastly, 1/4's can be fun, but fuck, it isnt really a straight line bike mate, youll get eaten alive!!, Take her to the track where she can shake and weave her ass all around, she will love you for it, and youll gain alot more skills than you will at a 1/4 mile day!!

Have fun!!

[Trouser]

Clutchless shifting WILL yield noticably quicker times. DONT do it on the road etc though. It will be fine for a run or two down the 1/4, but it will fuck your gearbox doing it everywhere on the road.


Say what? Clutchless shifting will not fuck your gearbox at all. Geez.

[Westy_mate]

AWESOME! love the responses and thank you it all make sense! yeah i get most my power around 16-17k will go for a ride today and test it out ;)

[Skinon]

Just ring the shit out of it, change at like 18k, it gets hard to do the gears super quick if it's much higher... You will be very unlikely to blow it up, i just did over 300k on mine over the weekend on a racetrack the back straight i was getting to 175kmh revving the shit outta the bike everywhere, it fucken loved it!

[racefactory]

For launching, holding around 1/2 - 2/3 the way round the tach, ease the clutch out as smoothly and quickly as possible, without the engine stalling.


Lastly, 1/4's can be fun, but fuck, it isnt really a straight line bike mate, youll get eaten alive!!, Take her to the track where she can shake and weave her ass all around, she will love you for it, and youll gain alot more skills than you will at a 1/4 mile day!!

Have fun!!

No reason not to go though, It's still good fun. It'd be a good thing to see more cbr and zxrs battling it out at the strip.

Aim for a mid 14 mate, with some practice launching on a quiet road hopefully you'll crack it!

[MSTRS]

Aim for a mid 14 mate, with some practice launching on a quiet road hopefully you'll crack it!

Is it possible? I don't know. But the only drags I've been to, ZXR250s were doing mid 15s.

[revlikeshit]

You should be shifting just before redline17.5-18k, and leaving the line at atleast 9-11k.
I usually drag my 600 or 750 at meremere, but got to take another guys zxr250 for a run as he was having trouble getting it off the line, ran a 14.37 with a 6-7kmh lower trap speed than he was pulling(even though im alot lighter)as i decided to hold out 4th accross the line where as i should have gone for 5th. Had never ridden one before, could have def gone 14 flat or lower with acouple more runs.
Ill be there this friday, feel free to come say hi.

[Westy_mate]

You should be shifting just before redline17.5-18k, and leaving the line at atleast 9-11k.
I usually drag my 600 or 750 at meremere, but got to take another guys zxr250 for a run as he was having trouble getting it off the line, ran a 14.37 with a 6-7kmh lower trap speed than he was pulling(even though im alot lighter)as i decided to hold out 4th accross the line where as i should have gone for 5th. Had never ridden one before, could have def gone 14 flat or lower with acouple more runs.
Ill be there this friday, feel free to come say hi.

Perfect mate ill see you there! you will see my "west" cbr.
mate i was getting 14.6...... but me response time was horrible (0.650 or worse)
anyway, if your keen to ride out there together hit me up on 0210592568

[Westy_mate]

Is it possible? I don't know. But the only drags I've been to, ZXR250s were doing mid 15s.

I got a 14.4 and a few 14.6's at the drags last time and that was a first time run... Could def do better :) come along!

[MSTRS]

Would love to, but it's a bit far.

Have only done drags on chipseal surface, which was being torn to shreds. Best time of the day was a ZX10 @ 10.95...mine on the GSXR was 12.02.

[Westy_mate]

You should be shifting just before redline17.5-18k, and leaving the line at atleast 9-11k.
I usually drag my 600 or 750 at meremere, but got to take another guys zxr250 for a run as he was having trouble getting it off the line, ran a 14.37 with a 6-7kmh lower trap speed than he was pulling(even though im alot lighter)as i decided to hold out 4th accross the line where as i should have gone for 5th. Had never ridden one before, could have def gone 14 flat or lower with acouple more runs.
Ill be there this friday, feel free to come say hi.


Btw, what will you be riding?

[Westy_mate]

Also, just for this week im running 98 in it. Good idea? should i use it up and chuck 91 back in it before the drags or will i get a better performance boost from the 98? was told that my bike works best with 91 as it was designed for it but other bikers have told me to use 98 when racing..

[revlikeshit]

- Will be riding a black zx6r.
Yea run 98 in it, or atleast 95/96.

Even on the road i would be running atleast 95 in it as the 4cyl 250's all run reasonably high compression and love to rev.
You wont really gain any power as such between 95 and 98 but it is added piece of mind in terms of knock protection.

[Westy_mate]

- Will be riding a black zx6r.
Yea run 98 in it, or atleast 95/96.

Even on the road i would be running atleast 95 in it as the 4cyl 250's all run reasonably high compression and love to rev.
You wont really gain any power as such between 95 and 98 but it is added piece of mind in terms of knock protection.

Yeah that was my thoughts exactly! ive rung a few Honda dealers and they have all told me to run 91 in it as the bike was built for it.. ill run 98 anyway ;)

[tigertim20]

Yeah that was my thoughts exactly! ive rung a few Honda dealers and they have all told me to run 91 in it as the bike was built for it.. ill run 98 anyway ;)

they were built in japan to run on their fuel. compare our shit with theirs. (with theirs before it gained a seawater percentage) their fuel is a better quality. Id be running 95 as a minimum in a sportsbike of anysize, perhaps with the exception of a smoker

[CRF119]

Your reaction time will not improve your 14.6 time. But if some body runs a 14.6 to and your reaction time is faster then you will win.

All your reaction time is is how fast you went from a stand still to moving of the sensor and then the clock starts.

[Westy_mate]

Your reaction time will not improve your 14.6 time. But if some body runs a 14.6 to and your reaction time is faster then you will win.

All your reaction time is is how fast you went from a stand still to moving of the sensor and then the clock starts.

ohhh i see. Probably best to keep in minimal anyway. cheers for that. anyone keen for the drags on friday? suppose to be decent weather :)

[over5tayer]

ohhh i see. Probably best to keep in minimal anyway. cheers for that. anyone keen for the drags on friday? suppose to be decent weather :)

I'd be keen :yes:

[DEATH_INC.]

If it'll run on 91, you'll get better power on 91. Lower octane = more hp, unless it can't handle the compression etc....
As for your shift points, find what rpm the peak torque of your engine is (it'll be on the interweb somewhere...), and shift so the rpm drops to that after you shift.

[over5tayer]

has anyone ever had problems with hitting neutral when trying to shift fast at high rpm on a CBR250? what am i doing wrong? sometimes its not even neutral it can be between 2nd and 3rd, 3rd and 4th etc.... i throttle off, pull the clutch right in and give it a decent 'kick', but it still managers to get between gears. Only happens when i change at 15k+ rpm... i can see this being a problem if i take it to the drags :bye:

[avgas]

has anyone ever had problems with hitting neutral when trying to shift fast at high rpm on a CBR250? what am i doing wrong? sometimes its not even neutral it can be between 2nd and 3rd, 3rd and 4th etc.... i throttle off, pull the clutch right in and give it a decent 'kick', but it still managers to get between gears. Only happens when i change at 15k+ rpm... i can see this being a problem if i take it to the drags :bye:
Change your oil. Chances are you have FNS (false neutral syndrome).
If thats not it your gear box is fucked.

- forgot to mention....this applies to wet sump/plate bikes, dunno about dry sump.

[Hiflyer]

has anyone ever had problems with hitting neutral when trying to shift fast at high rpm on a CBR250? what am i doing wrong? sometimes its not even neutral it can be between 2nd and 3rd, 3rd and 4th etc.... i throttle off, pull the clutch right in and give it a decent 'kick', but it still managers to get between gears. Only happens when i change at 15k+ rpm... i can see this being a problem if i take it to the drags :bye:

Might be a problem with the oil in the box? My hyosung had a problem where it wouldnt get neutral unless it was moving, chucked a lighter weight oil in and it was sweet.

Probably want someone more experienced than me to answer that though...

[avgas]

haha and how would one toast his clutch? too much RPM off the mark?
Yeah letting is slip to much. Just general wear on the plates. Usually in first.....

Thankfully mine was not that major, turned out previous owner had put motor up in it. So when it was getting near peak temp, was making the plates slip like a mother.

But have ridden bikes with f-ed clutches. Through general thrashing. They basically slip like hell.

[over5tayer]

Change your oil. Chances are you have FNS (false neutral syndrome).


....chucked a lighter weight oil in and it was sweet.


I'll do an oil change now, i think its nearly due for one anyway - that could explain the gear change situation. Will 10w-40 be sweet? and whats the best brand? im guessing cycle(extremely expensive)treads is where i should be getting the oil/filter from?

I think ill just do a DIY - cant be that much different to a car :blink:.

[Hiflyer]

I'll do an oil change now, i think its nearly due for one anyway - that could explain the gear change situation. Will 10w-40 be sweet? and whats the best brand? im guessing cycle(extremely expensive)treads is where i should be getting the oil/filter from?

I think ill just do a DIY - cant be that much different to a car :blink:.

It's easy as, cycletreads is quite competitive when it comes to oil, I have a hornet, 99% same engine as yours and I use Motul 15w-50 ($25 a litre or a bit less If I remember) and it's runs smooooth as.

The oil change is probably what it is I reckon

If you're replacing the filter as well, the bolt to remove the filter is near the sump plug, more towards the middle of the engine and has a big Circle thing (technical term right there) that comes off with it.

Anyway back on topic, i find that changing up around 16k is the best on my hornet (When it's actually running), otherwise the power starts to drop off a bit.

[JK12]

ohhh i see. Probably best to keep in minimal anyway. cheers for that. anyone keen for the drags on friday? suppose to be decent weather :)

Clear weather the whole day, which is good. Will txt u regarding the ride to mere.
According to http://home.nzcity.co.nz/weather/weatherdetail.aspx?wla=3

[over5tayer]

It's easy as, cycletreads is quite competitive when it comes to oil.....

Cheers :), i ended up getting 10W40 hope its not too thin... Set me back $77 for 4L of Motul and a filter which wasnt too bad. Sorry for going off topic Westy...


What time does the strip open on Friday? and what are the $costs$? i'll be keen to do the motorway haul with you if you wanna meet up somewhere.

[racefactory]

What's your weight mate? Aim for a 14.1 or so... guys on here have done that on stock CBR250s.

Keen to take the RVF400 along this friday and get some V4 down the strip.

revlikeshit- have you done any runs on the ZXR400 CBR400 VFR400 etc?

[JK12]

I'm meeting at 5-5.30 at cycletreads

[Westy_mate]

Cheers :), i ended up getting 10W40 hope its not too thin... Set me back $77 for 4L of Motul and a filter which wasnt too bad. Sorry for going off topic Westy...


What time does the strip open on Friday? and what are the $costs$? i'll be keen to do the motorway haul with you if you wanna meet up somewhere.

Hey mate, $15 to watch $55 to race
meet at Cycletreads at 5:30 if you can if not meet at the Caltex at the bombays around 6:15-30ish sweet?

txt me on 0210592568 if your keen :)

[Westy_mate]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/136120-Friday-night-Drags-at-Meremere

if anyone is keen for a ride to the drags

[revlikeshit]

Racefactory - na i havnt run a 400 on the strip before, seen a few run at meremere and i know what they should run on a decent pass though. most stock sports 400's should run anywhere between 12.5 and 13.5 stock and trap 155-170kmh.

vfr and rvf400's tend to be middle of the 400 pack in terms of power. Only thing holding them back tend to be their long 1st gear( for a 400 ), same problem i had with my 600 first time out,unless you give them heaps off the line the'l bog hard and cost you quite a bit of time winding through 1st.
If you could go low 13's or faster on one and trap 160+ then your doing alright, vfr/rvf's are neat bikes though, cool sound and becoming worth a bit now.

[over5tayer]

Thanks westy, had heaps of fun :yes:


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236212 <<------ my best time was 14.260 @ 150.54 kph

[nadroj]

Lucky... double breakout for the win.

[racefactory]

Nice one mate!! That's a good time. What's your weight and were you running a full tank of fuel?

Sounds like you using clutch for up shifts?

Probably could get it to 14.1 or 14 flat without bogging just that little bit and clutchless shifts you think?

If you didn't have to shift before the line and all of the above you could maybe just break 13's I think!? A good goal maybe haha.

[over5tayer]

Nice one mate!! That's a good time. What's your weight and were you running a full tank of fuel?

Sounds like you using clutch for up shifts?

Probably could get it to 14.1 or 14 flat without bogging just that little bit and clutchless shifts you think?

If you didn't have to shift before the line and all of the above you could maybe just break 13's I think!? A good goal maybe haha.


haha thanks :). Last time i weighed myself i was 67kg but that was a few months ago... I had around 5-6L of fuel left in my tank.

Yea i was using my clutch for the first few runs which were getting me consistent 14.46's. My camera stopped working after about the 3rd run where i started to clutchless shift (for the first time) - doing that got me the 14.260 (don't have the video). Im sure if i learnt to shift better and turn up with less fuel, i'll be able to scrape a few more milliseconds off :yes:

[racefactory]

Nice one. Were there any other 250s and small bikes scrapping it out?

[over5tayer]

Nice one. Were there any other 250s and small bikes scrapping it out?

me vs westy on his MC19 :2guns: - he kept having clutch problems though

[DrunkenMistake]

has anyone ever had problems with hitting neutral when trying to shift fast at high rpm on a CBR250? what am i doing wrong? sometimes its not even neutral it can be between 2nd and 3rd, 3rd and 4th etc.... i throttle off, pull the clutch right in and give it a decent 'kick', but it still managers to get between gears. Only happens when i change at 15k+ rpm... i can see this being a problem if i take it to the drags :bye:

Its pretty generic, I used to hit it all the time when I banged up a gear from first with really High revs, couldnt tell you what caused it though, seemed to be inconsistent, make sure if you change your oil you change your filter, its like $12 they are the same as dirt bike filters, so expect a :blink: look from the occasional bike shop.

Also If I remember right, the MC19 peaks at 16 or 17 grand, I have like a 200 page workbook here on it that has all the specs, I just cant be bothered looking for it all, (by workbook I mean when I brought the bike I was handed a huge pile of paper..) You will find these things get torquey at around about 6 - 7grand so hill starts require some screaming before moving technique but you will feel the pick up at around about 10 but once you hit 17 it will flatten out and you will feel it, if your hitting a sweet twistie road I find it rides better at around 16 grand, keeps you in the sweet spot when you give a touch of brake before you enter a corner and gives you the torque you want when you leave it .. been meaning to get my GoPro off tigertim20 and take the cbr for a good rape before I take it into the bike shop to sell it, not having alot of luck on TM.

[Westy_mate]

Thanks westy, had heaps of fun :yes:


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236212 <<------ my best time was 14.260 @ 150.54 kph


MEEEEAAAANNN night :)
Dude you destroyed me!

then again your bike has only done 10,000kms haha
will have to race again next year

[Westy_mate]

Nice one. Were there any other 250s and small bikes scrapping it out?

There was one other 250 besides me and over5tayer, a bandit. was pulling 15.5's i think (correct me if im wrong...)

[Westy_mate]

me vs westy on his MC19 :2guns: - he kept having clutch problems though

Stupid ass Clutch cable coming loose, And yeah that stupid clutch slipping out of second, think its time for a service next week i believe.

[Westy_mate]

Did you get any pics of us over5tayer?

[over5tayer]

Its pretty generic, I used to hit it all the time when I banged up a gear from first with really High revs, couldnt tell you what caused it though, seemed to be inconsistent, make sure if you change your oil you change your filter...

... been meaning to get my GoPro off tigertim20 and take the cbr for a good rape before I take it into the bike shop to sell it, not having alot of luck on TM.


:woohoo: i think i figured out what i was doing wrong. Normally, when im about to shift up, I rest my toe under the shifter (no gap). This restricts me from giving it a decent 'pop' and results in me getting between gears. I went for a quick ride yesterday leaving a gap and had no problems.

thanks for all the advice. How much is the shop gonna give you for it? Record your thrash and post it up :yes:

[over5tayer]

Did you get any pics of us over5tayer?

just these, i think he's sending me the video later


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[Westy_mate]

just these, i think he's sending me the video later


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Mean! ill keep waiting

[DrunkenMistake]

:woohoo: i think i figured out what i was doing wrong. Normally, when im about to shift up, I rest my toe under the shifter (no gap). This restricts me from giving it a decent 'pop' and results in me getting between gears. I went for a quick ride yesterday leaving a gap and had no problems.

thanks for all the advice. How much is the shop gonna give you for it? Record your thrash and post it up :yes:
Shop will sell on behalf of, so they rekon I could get $4,200 for it, if that were the case I would asume they would take $200 at least, then a new wof and rego comes out of that total as well.
And will do, gonna try do it tomorrow morning about 7, fuck all traffic and I live down a meannn road, my mate made a sweet vid using footage of my 400, i will find link and show you if you want?

[DrunkenMistake]

Here is an old vid i took of my 250, was average effort tho haha,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRuy6pr38eY

and the 400,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEum0muzYXw

[over5tayer]

Here is an old vid i took of my 250, was average effort tho haha,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRuy6pr38eY

and the 400,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEum0muzYXw



nice vids :yes:, that NC30 is pretty mean :love:. Wonder if i could get away with owning one of them on my restricted :shifty:. Is there a noticeable speed difference between the MC19 and NC30?

[over5tayer]

Mean! ill keep waiting

sweeet - got the video... listen to the mighty roar of the cbr250 :scooter:

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[racefactory]

nice vids :yes:, that NC30 is pretty mean :love:. Wonder if i could get away with owning one of them on my restricted :shifty:. Is there a noticeable speed difference between the MC19 and NC30?

An absolute shitload of difference, night and day. Also in the way it delivers that power with the V4 and sound. I've been riding NC30's since my learners a few years back and never been caught.

[DrunkenMistake]

An absolute shitload of difference, night and day. Also in the way it delivers that power with the V4 and sound. I've been riding NC30's since my learners a few years back and never been caught.

yeah I still cant get over how smooth it rolls on the gas, its like the throttle is lubed up with a tube of KY, the power delivery is awesome! I find the places I would hesitate to over take on the 250, are places I have already over taken on the 400.

And I have my NC30 on my R.. I am up-loading my 250 vids i took this morning to youtube so I will post when they finish

[Westy_mate]

sweeet - got the video... listen to the mighty roar of the cbr250 :scooter:

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mighty roar of YOUR cbr... so gutted i didnt get any decent pics or vids of mine :(

[over5tayer]

mighty roar of YOUR cbr... so gutted i didnt get any decent pics or vids of mine :(

yea, i'll make sure my friend with a video camera comes along next time... You shouldnt have favorited the right lane :bleh:



thoughts on this NC30? (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-366827257.htm) - k's are bit high and its obviously been thrashed... called him up and the lowest he'll take is 3.2k + the 200ish it'll cost me to get it back to auckland

[Westy_mate]

yea, i'll make sure my friend with a video camera comes along next time... You shouldnt have favorited the right lane :bleh:



thoughts on this NC30? (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-366827257.htm) - k's are bit high and its obviously been thrashed... called him up and the lowest he'll take is 3.2k + the 200ish it'll cost me to get it back to auckland


Heh yeah, next time :( btw we should go for a ride and join my 250 club!

DOnt get me wrong they are mint bikes but 400's are a lot of work to get ride of IF you decide to sell it. i would just wait till your ready for a 600 and go for that unless you want to keep the 400 for a track bike. just saying.

It doesnt look too bad, K's aren't bad really for that year either.

[DrunkenMistake]

yea, i'll make sure my friend with a video camera comes along next time... You shouldnt have favorited the right lane :bleh:



thoughts on this NC30? (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-366827257.htm) - k's are bit high and its obviously been thrashed... called him up and the lowest he'll take is 3.2k + the 200ish it'll cost me to get it back to auckland

hes been trying to sell that for 2 months + I would offer him $2800. But Westy is right, but by the end of the year it wont matter because the VFR and RFV 400's will be learner legal bikes. So their value should theoretically increase, and they should sell far better.
As for myself, I have always wanted a vfr 400 since I started riding, to have one is amazing and unfortanitly im only 5'4 so a 600 is out of my reach.. literary

[Westy_mate]

hes been trying to sell that for 2 months + I would offer him $2800. But Westy is right, but by the end of the year it wont matter because the VFR and RFV 400's will be learner legal bikes. So their value should theoretically increase, and they should sell far better.
As for myself, I have always wanted a vfr 400 since I started riding, to have one is amazing and unfortanitly im only 5'4 so a 600 is out of my reach.. literary

+1

Very good point, i forgot about that change over at the end of the year. Is it going to be legal to ride one of those on your learners? i love them too :)

[Westy_mate]

+1

Very good point, i forgot about that change over at the end of the year. Is it going to be legal to ride one of those on your learners? i love them too :)

Also, how about the restricted license? any changes there or basically the same as a learners besides the L plates?

[DrunkenMistake]

To my understanding,
At the moment for a learner these are the rules,
70km/h speed limit,
Only aloud on the road from 5am to 10pm,
250 cc bike limit,
L plate must be displayed.

Restricted:
Only aloud on the road from 5am to 10pm,
250 cc bike limit,

New Rules:
Learners:
L plate must be displayed,
A bike that does not exceed the power to weight ratio (cant recall what it is)
5am to 10pm riding times,

Restricted:
A bike that does not exceed the power to weight ratio (cant recall what it is)
5am to 10pm riding times.

[over5tayer]

.... As for myself, I have always wanted a vfr 400 since I started riding, to have one is amazing and unfortanitly im only 5'4 so a 600 is out of my reach.. literary

Sorry to hear that, you could always get 6inch heels attached to your boots :lol:. I only just realised how amazing the vfr400 looks - it was love at first sight :love:. I think im gonna have to get this one (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-367119723.htm). I called up the guy and he said he'll take 3k. The K's have probably been wound back or something but as long as it holds its value i dont mind. That will be awesome when it becomes learner legal $$$:sunny:$$$... Since theres no plate for me to carjam ($270ish for a plate and 6months rego apparently), is there any way to check if its been stolen?

[Westy_mate]

To my understanding,
At the moment for a learner these are the rules,
70km/h speed limit,
Only aloud on the road from 5am to 10pm,
250 cc bike limit,
L plate must be displayed.

Restricted:
Only aloud on the road from 5am to 10pm,
250 cc bike limit,

New Rules:
Learners:
L plate must be displayed,
A bike that does not exceed the power to weight ratio (cant recall what it is)
5am to 10pm riding times,

Restricted:
A bike that does not exceed the power to weight ratio (cant recall what it is)
5am to 10pm riding times.

oh and no passengers haha
where do you think i could find the power/weight ratio for the restricted license?

[Westy_mate]

Sorry to hear that, you could always get 6inch heels attached to your boots :lol:. I only just realised how amazing the vfr400 looks - it was love at first sight :love:. I think im gonna have to get this one (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-367119723.htm). I called up the guy and he said he'll take 3k. The K's have probably been wound back or something but as long as it holds its value i dont mind. That will be awesome when it becomes learner legal $$$:sunny:$$$... Since theres no plate for me to carjam ($270ish for a plate and 6months rego apparently), is there any way to check if its been stolen?

you might also want to check to make sure its legal to ride this on your restricted too! :)

[DrunkenMistake]

Dont touch it man, it will cost you a heap to get it on the road, if its an import then it needs to be probably vinned, rego'd, Wof'd and maybe the breaks certified.
not worth the hassle and money.


And give me a few mins to find you a link.

[DrunkenMistake]

http://www.dixonarchive.com/articles/lams.htm

and

(Engine power in KW / Dry weight + 90Kg) x 1000 = Kw per tonne.
Motorcycles that meet this criteria must be under 660cc and have a ratio of 150Kw or less per tonne.

[over5tayer]

you might also want to check to make sure its legal to ride this on your restricted too! :)

learners* :bleh:. Im gonna go book my restricted now - hopefully i wont get pulled over till it becomes legal

[DrunkenMistake]

Dont touch it man, it will cost you a heap to get it on the road, if its an import then it needs to be probably vinned, rego'd, Wof'd and maybe the breaks certified.
not worth the hassle and money.


And give me a few mins to find you a link.


Ignore that, I didnt read the Auction, it states it has a Wof and just needs to be changed to new owner.
ask for 3 months rego as well before you pay for it.

[over5tayer]

http://www.dixonarchive.com/articles/lams.htm

and

(Engine power in KW / Dry weight + 90Kg) x 1000 = Kw per tonne.
Motorcycles that meet this criteria must be under 660cc and have a ratio of 150Kw or less per tonne.


bummer. According to my calculations it works out being 162kw/t. Can you get a dyno check done to see if its lost any power? is the KW at the wheel or the crank?




I have just put it through NZ compliance and it passed easily so will come with a brand new WOF.



the guy said it only needs a plate and rego and then it'll be fully legal

[DrunkenMistake]

According to the Aus Lams, which our new rules will be exactly the same,
the VFR and RFV 400's are both legal.

and yah I seen that after, sorry

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=368237714&ed=true\
Proof I actually do own a cbr 250 haha.
I have a vid uploading from this morning but its taking forever, another hour left :L its only 2 mins long lmao

[over5tayer]

According to the Aus Lams, which our new rules will be exactly the same,
the VFR and RFV 400's are both legal.


ok sweet as, im checking it out at 7 tonight with the cash. Is there anything i should look out for other than the usual (chain, sprockets, oil, forks, brake pads, discs, coolant etc..)?




http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=368237714&ed=true\
Proof I actually do own a cbr 250 haha.
I have a vid uploading from this morning but its taking forever, another hour left :L its only 2 mins long lmao

thats yours? i saw that when i was hunting for my mc19... I wouldve bought it off you if you didnt live in Dunedin. Nice pics and bike :yes: - you should keep it.


..this thread is turning into a msn convo, i think a mod will move it soon.

[DrunkenMistake]

"General Bike Ravings"
this seems pretty General to me, and its all on the bike mentioned in the topic? haha,
check the sprocket at the rear, see if its worn down, tyre tread, look for any scars on the inside of the fairings as it will indicate a drop, otherwise i cant think of anything else, make sure it runs haha.

[over5tayer]

... otherwise i cant think of anything else, make sure it runs haha.

sure will :yes: :scooter::scooter:


have you worked out your fuel consumption in kp/L for your 400? im not sure if I should sell the MC19 or keep it for commuting and just have the vfr for playing round (in winter :confused:). My mc19 gets a consistent 23-25kp/L no matter how i ride it.

[DrunkenMistake]

I honestly have no Idea ae, I think I could get 150km before I hit reserve, and its my general commute (when I upload this vid from this morning you will see the road I take, and understand why I chew the gas)

Open Road I would say an easy 250.

[Westy_mate]

http://www.dixonarchive.com/articles/lams.htm

and

(Engine power in KW / Dry weight + 90Kg) x 1000 = Kw per tonne.
Motorcycles that meet this criteria must be under 660cc and have a ratio of 150Kw or less per tonne.

Where did you get the 90kg from? does that represent the "riders" weight?

[DrunkenMistake]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoEb2qrhUNU
Just uploaded it,
and its on that site.

[racefactory]

Sorry to hear that, you could always get 6inch heels attached to your boots :lol:. I only just realised how amazing the vfr400 looks - it was love at first sight :love:. I think im gonna have to get this one (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-367119723.htm). I called up the guy and he said he'll take 3k. The K's have probably been wound back or something but as long as it holds its value i dont mind. That will be awesome when it becomes learner legal $$$:sunny:$$$... Since theres no plate for me to carjam ($270ish for a plate and 6months rego apparently), is there any way to check if its been stolen?

That bike is a pos, stay away from it. One of the worst NC30's i've seen for a while and the guy is just clueless. Running horribly lean at idle with a terrible tin fart exhaust, rust infested tank and pitting all over the fork legs. K's don't mean jack shit I tell you, it's all about condition with these older bikes. I would have to think hard about taking it for 2g. No doubt some sucker will fall for the 'low kms' though and face many headaches, alas.

[racefactory]

sure will :yes: :scooter::scooter:


have you worked out your fuel consumption in kp/L for your 400? im not sure if I should sell the MC19 or keep it for commuting and just have the vfr for playing round (in winter :confused:). My mc19 gets a consistent 23-25kp/L no matter how i ride it.

Mileage is good on these bikes... on a constant sub 100kph cruise, I can get 3.3l/100km or 30k/l if you do it that way. Again it's all about how you ride it so constant cruise is really the only reliable way to measure.

Oh and Drunkn Mistake- pretty sure VFR400 won't be learner legal... only the RVF400 NC35 will, right?

[avgas]

me vs westy on his MC19 :2guns: - he kept having clutch problems though
He was warned ;)

[over5tayer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoEb2qrhUNU
Just uploaded it,
and its on that site.

thats an awesome road. Nice riding - bummer about all the cars. I think once i get out of debt ill invest in a goPro :yes:


this was listed on trademe about 20 mins ago. (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-368507921.htm) What do you think? Lowest price is 3.2k without gear. he said he "rebuilt the front forks so they are mint, no fluid leaks, no rust damage".

[DrunkenMistake]

thats an awesome road. Nice riding - bummer about all the cars. I think once i get out of debt ill invest in a goPro :yes:


this was listed on trademe about 20 mins ago. (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-368507921.htm) What do you think? Lowest price is 3.2k without gear. he said he "rebuilt the front forks so they are mint, no fluid leaks, no rust damage".

So long as its sold with new wof and Rego i couldnt see why not. The rebuild of the forks is common, its a 20 year old bike, and by rebuild he probably means replaced the fork seals and oil. thats regular maintenance.

[DrunkenMistake]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-366725507.htm

Its not that much to get it bike tranzed to you,
ask if it comes with the stock front cowl.

[Westy_mate]

I know its a bit of a delayed post but what do you guys think of this?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=370680981

Any good? chances of it being a dud?

[DrunkenMistake]

I dont know that much about the kwaks but it looks the part, how tall are you?

[Westy_mate]

I dont know that much about the kwaks but it looks the part, how tall are you?

6Ft. i think i may leave it.... enough said

[Blackshear]

So, overstayer, still getting that VFR400? :girlfight::girlfight::girlfight:

[Westy_mate]

So, overstayer, still getting that VFR400? :girlfight::girlfight::girlfight:

Yeah Brin! are you still getting it??!

[scracha]

I know its a bit of a delayed post but what do you guys think of this?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=370680981

Any good? chances of it being a dud?

I'd be VERY surprised if it's not been raced.

[Westy_mate]

I'd be VERY surprised if it's not been raced.

its ok, im not even considering it now.

[racefactory]

Nothing wrong with being raced. Good indicator it has had a lot of maintenance done on it to keep it ship shape. I'd bet most race bikes are in far better shape and cared for than clueless idiots who don't know how to even take the tank off.

[Blackshear]

= don't know how to even take the tank off.

They come off? :blink:

[Westy_mate]

They come off? :blink:

Lol.... and the end of this thread.