F1 cars upgraded for...

[YellowDog]

Bahrain Grand Prix



http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2011/02/xlarge_bahrain_tanks.jpg

[onearmedbandit]

Ooo, I reckon you're on to something there. Tank F1. Imagine the mayhem and destruction. Imagine the TV ratings. Imagine the $$$$ rolling in.

[EJK]

1480hp with a topspeed of 78kph...

The mathematics is wrong.

[YellowDog]

1480hp with a topspeed of 78kph...

The mathematics is wrong.

That's before the mods and re-gearing :)

[marty]

18 seconds a lap faster!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/22/3170828.htm?site=centralwest

[onearmedbandit]

18 seconds a lap faster!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/22/3170828.htm?site=centralwest

Saw that earlier, I was surprised they were that close.

[marty]

173km/h average for V8's, 207km/h for F1 with limited track time......that's a chasm.

[onearmedbandit]

173km/h average for V8's, 207km/h for F1 with limited track time......that's a chasm.

Yes I realise 18s is an eternity in racing, and the differential in average speeds is an impressive amount no doubt, however I was simply stating that I was surprised that they were that close.

[Edbear]

Yes I realise 18s is an eternity in racing, and the differential in average speeds is an impressive amount no doubt, however I was simply stating that I was surprised that they were that close.

I understand what you mean, and I think it's a testament to both the ability of the V8 Supercars and the skill of their drivers. If you really think about it, what they can achieve is very impressive. Notable was that Jensen was only 1 sec. faster than Craig despite being a F1 champion. I've watched Craig for years and seen some incredible drives by him at Bathurst!

[EJK]

Yes I realise 18s is an eternity in racing, and the differential in average speeds is an impressive amount no doubt, however I was simply stating that I was surprised that they were that close.

18 seconds.... A few hundreds of million dollars and a handful of Ph.Ds of difference.

Pi is just a number too eh?

[James Deuce]

I think you'll find Mr Button was gently pedalling a museum piece around a bumpy circuit in the middle of nowhere.

I rather suspect that Mr Button could find another 20 seconds, where Mr Lowndes is at the limit of what his tiny amount of seat time in an F1 car would give him.

[onearmedbandit]

I understand what you mean, and I think it's a testament to both the ability of the V8 Supercars and the skill of their drivers. If you really think about it, what they can achieve is very impressive. Notable was that Jensen was only 1 sec. faster than Craig despite being a F1 champion. I've watched Craig for years and seen some incredible drives by him at Bathurst!

Nail on the head. Exactly my point, it is a testament to the quality of the V8 supercar. Equally impressive was the drive by Craig, like you say only a second off the pace (albeit Jensen's first time around Bathurst).

[onearmedbandit]

I think you'll find Mr Button was gently pedalling a museum piece around a bumpy circuit in the middle of nowhere.

I rather suspect that Mr Button could find another 20 seconds, where Mr Lowndes is at the limit of what his tiny amount of seat time in an F1 car would give him.

Quite possibly true, but then again these cars don't drive particularly well at anything below 10/10ths. Well from everything I've read etc, gotta get heat into those tyres and brakes, otherwise they won't turn or stop so well.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Quite possibly true, but then again these cars don't drive particularly well at anything below 10/10ths. Well from everything I've read etc, gotta get heat into those tyres and brakes, otherwise they won't turn or stop so well.

the best thing I've ever seen on that is Richard Hammond attempting to drive one. It was a few years ago and it was a Renault F1 car.

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[Edbear]

Nail on the head. Exactly my point, it is a testament to the quality of the V8 supercar. Equally impressive was the drive by Craig, like you say only a second off the pace (albeit Jensen's first time around Bathurst).

And Craigs' first time in an F1 car?

JD I doubt Jensen could have gone much faster, the McLaren was not set up, (or designed), for such a track and he commented on the difficulty he had with it.

[James Deuce]

And Craigs' first time in an F1 car?

JD I doubt Jensen could have gone much faster, the McLaren was not set up, (or designed), for such a track and he commented on the difficulty he had with it.

But that's my point. Mr Button could go much faster with the car setup for the track and unlike Mr Lowndes he has the experience in F1 to set it up to do that. 10/10ths for an F1 driver is a different kettle of fish to 10/10ths for a space frame replica driver. The difference between 9/10ths and 10/10ths in F1 is tiny, because as you say F1 technology requires a set of circumstances to work well. Don't forget that to set the car up properly would require at least a test team's resources with multiple engineers and data logging. By Jenson's own account the car wasn't working well, which will mask the difference in experience between the two drivers to a certain extent.

As you drop down throught he formulae the difference between 10/10ths and 9/10ths becomes very apparent.

[Edbear]

But that's my point. Mr Button could go much faster with the car setup for the track and unlike Mr Lowndes he has the experience in F1 to set it up to do that. 10/10ths for an F1 driver is a different kettle of fish to 10/10ths for a space frame replica driver. The difference between 9/10ths and 10/10ths in F1 is tiny, because as you say F1 technology requires a set of circumstances to work well. Don't forget that to set the car up properly would require at least a test team's resources with multiple engineers and data logging. By Jenson's own account the car wasn't working well, which will mask the difference in experience between the two drivers to a certain extent.

As you drop down throught he formulae the difference between 10/10ths and 9/10ths becomes very apparent.

Jensen's comments after driving the V8 were interesting. It would be good to get them both in each other's environments and see how they do. F1 is a very tough sport and requires a lot of physical strength and I think even someone of Craig's calibre would struggle after a few laps of an F1 circuit due to the extreme G-forces.

In F1 a second a lap is huge! It's a big enough gap in V8's but a chasm in F1...

[onearmedbandit]

the best thing I've ever seen on that is Richard Hammond attempting to drive one. It was a few years ago and it was a Renault F1 car.


Remember seeing that on TG, best part of the vid is the engineer making the engine play that song.

[imdying]

I think you'll find Mr Button was gently pedalling a museum piece around a bumpy circuit in the middle of nowhere.

I rather suspect that Mr Button could find another 20 seconds, where Mr Lowndes is at the limit of what his tiny amount of seat time in an F1 car would give him.I agree. Driven at race pace, supported by the team, etc etc, and it would take a lot more time off of it. As OAB says, apparently they don't even work properly unless they're being flogged.

[mikeey01]

F1 v's V8's ?

Melbourne GP 5.303 km (3.30 mi)

Schumacher 1.24.125 Ferrari 2004
Lowndes 1.57.572 Holden 2009


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne_Grand_Prix_Circuit
http://www.v8supercars.com.au/lowndes-blasts-v8-supercar-lap-record-in-melbourne/tabid/70/newsid/8868/default.aspx

[Skinon]

I agree. Driven at race pace, supported by the team, etc etc, and it would take a lot more time off of it. As OAB says, apparently they don't even work properly unless they're being flogged.

ha sounds like my old skyline, or my cbr250 haha