ACC and the NHS

[Brian d marge]

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-03-health-bill-nhs-england-experts.html

Watch this space

England is about 10 to 15 years ahead of NZ ,

Well it was when I lived there

So if it happens in Blighty

IT WILL HAPPEN IN NZ

Stephen

[riffer]

Yep. "Where Britain goes we go too."

[Berries]

We should start looking for a new country on the other side of the world then.

[mashman]

We should start looking for a new country on the other side of the world then.

I tried that... seems like they're following me :shifty:

"International competition laws may also be used to challenge public policies that impair their profitability and freedom to operate, they warn."

Does that mean that sovereignty and running your country how you think your people would like it to be run means fuck all in the eyes of the law? Sounds very much like it to me... Sounds like something Nick Smith said a while back about ACC not being able to compete fairly in the insurance marketplace... Law transcends all :facepalm: BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[Brian d marge]

Im movin to merica mate says they have health care there!

Bobby Joe Stephen

[oneofsix]

I tried that... seems like they're following me :shifty:

"International competition laws may also be used to challenge public policies that impair their profitability and freedom to operate, they warn."

Does that mean that sovereignty and running your country how you think your people would like it to be run means fuck all in the eyes of the law? Sounds very much like it to me... Sounds like something Nick Smith said a while back about ACC not being able to compete fairly in the insurance marketplace... Law transcends all :facepalm: BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

thank god for the UN and their International Monetary Fund. can force govt to do what THEY want and not what the people want. Of course the conspiracy question is "who really runs the IMF"

[mashman]

Im movin to merica mate says they have health care there!

Bobby Joe Stephen

:rofl:, you may wanna check the small print... i'm pretty sure their health service is undergoing some restructuring at the moment too... can't quite remember what (read about it 5 -6 months ago), but I do remember US Dr's having similar concerns... and the US said they wanted to be like the NZ system... erm, erm, erm, what system are we moving towards again :blink: Ye just cannae challenege international law :)

[mashman]

thank god for the UN and their International Monetary Fund. can force govt to do what THEY want and not what the people want. Of course the conspiracy question is "who really runs the IMF"

heh, some say there's 3 families that are responsible for world financial policy, some say it's the corporations, some say it's the military... personally, i reckon it's the Stig.

[Brian d marge]

My wife is the cause of my poverty

Stephen

[Dave Lobster]

People seem to forget that the NHS isn't 'free' healthcare. It's an enormous white elephant that costs every family in the UK £7000 a year.
It funds illegal immigrants AIDS drugs. It funds sex changes. FFS... It's about time it was stamped on.

[riffer]

heh, some say there's 3 families that are responsible for world financial policy, some say it's the corporations, some say it's the military... personally, i reckon it's the Stig.


I thought it was the lizards.

[mashman]

I thought it was the lizards.

heh, we're dooooomed, dooooomed, irrespective of who's at the helm :)... for now i'll stick with the human slimey toad hybrid we seem to have, and just hope it's the lizards :)

[puddytat]

thank god for the UN and their International Monetary Fund. can force govt to do what THEY want and not what the people want. Of course the conspiracy question is "who really runs the IMF"

The WTO? Or is it the other way round?
Or is it the Jews & the Protocols of Zion?
Our own Mike Moore had something to do with it too, didnt he?
And John Key went to a meeting with them once to around the same era didnt he?Winston Peters also went to the same set of offices as well?
Ad Infinitum ..Ad Nauseum:sick:

[Brian d marge]

People seem to forget that the NHS isn't 'free' healthcare. It's an enormous white elephant that costs every family in the UK £7000 a year.
It funds illegal immigrants AIDS drugs. It funds sex changes. FFS... It's about time it was stamped on.

The few Quid a week I paid was well worth it.

Would quite happily pay more ,,( except for those god awful specs )

which DO last a life time ,,,

Stephen

[Dave Lobster]

The few Quid a week I paid was well worth it.

Would quite happily pay more ,,( except for those god awful specs )

which DO last a life time ,,,

Stephen

You'd happily pay more than 7000 pounds a year for the health cover?? I think I'd rather keep the money in my own pocket and fork out for the odd prescription (which only 1/4 of people in the UK pay for) and any expensive operations I might need out of that.

On the other hand, I'm sure the government would be more than happy for you to pay extra tax, should you wish.

[Clockwork]

You'd happily pay more than 7000 pounds a year for the health cover?? I think I'd rather keep the money in my own pocket and fork out for the odd prescription (which only 1/4 of people in the UK pay for) and any expensive operations I might need out of that.

On the other hand, I'm sure the government would be more than happy for you to pay extra tax, should you wish.

More likely many would piss that seven thousand against the wall and then plead poor me when they needed medical care. Then how would tell who had pissed it away from who never had that sort of money in the first place. Then, if compassion lead you to feel that those who never had it (a number of these needy deserving will be children, and the chronically sick) well who should have to pay for that? Charities?

By my reckoning your solution would work fine for you and me and probably way less than 50% of the rest of the population. What becomes of everyone else?

[Dave Lobster]

More likely many would piss that seven thousand against the wall and then plead poor me when they needed medical care. Then how would tell who had pissed it away from who never had that sort of money in the first place. Then, if compassion lead you to feel that those who never had it (a number of these needy deserving will be children, and the chronically sick) well who should have to pay for that? Charities?

By my reckoning your solution would work fine for you and me and probably way less than 50% of the rest of the population. What becomes of everyone else?
But everyone in the UK is paying that now, whether they like it or not, so the argument that they never had it doesn't exist.

[oldrider]

NHS is just another State owned "monopoly" like ACC! :sick:

At least with competition you choose which organisation will bleed you to death! :facepalm:

We (the electorate) are kinda like turkeys that support and vote for continuance of thanksgiving! :doh:

[Dave Lobster]

NHS is just another State owned "gang fuck" like ACC! :sick:



Fixed for you :)

[oneofsix]

NHS is just another State owned "monopoly" like ACC! :sick:

At least with competition you choose which organisation will bleed you to death! :facepalm:

We (the electorate) are kinda like turkeys that support and vote for continuance of thanksgiving! :doh:

NHS is equivalent to our public health system, ACC is (or was meant to be) a no fault accident compensation system. Like comparing health insurance verse car insurance + public liability insurance and all the other insurances ACC replaces.
Isn't this thread comparing Apples with Chickens?

[Clockwork]

But everyone in the UK is paying that now, whether they like it or not, so the argument that they never had it doesn't exist.

That just can't be correct as plainly not everyone in the UK has an income, or are you saying that the cost to the country of the NHS is 7000 per head?

[Clockwork]

NHS is equivalent to our public health system, ACC is (or was meant to be) a no fault accident compensation system. Like comparing health insurance verse car insurance + public liability insurance and all the other insurances ACC replaces.
Isn't this thread comparing Apples with Chickens?


As I recall the NHS is funded by a "tax" added to you PAYE, it is/was called National Insurance IIRC and was in some way related to your income (with a maximum upper limit, I think)

Just another levy type arrangement that is ignored by groups in NZ when arguing that we should pay less PAYE because they compare our tax rates directly to another county and usually ignore such secondary taxes for the purposes of their argument.

[Dave Lobster]

That just can't be correct as plainly not everyone in the UK has an income, or are you saying that the cost to the country of the NHS is 7000 per head?

Per family:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Health_Service_%28England%29#Funding

It's 2000 per head.

[mashman]

As I recall the NHS is funded by a "tax" added to you PAYE, it is/was called National Insurance IIRC and was in some way related to your income (with a maximum upper limit, I think)

Just another levy type arrangement that is ignored by groups in NZ when arguing that we should pay less PAYE because they compare our tax rates directly to another county and usually ignore such secondary taxes for the purposes of their argument.

It's called National Insurance and the tax is variable, sometimes based on earnings, sometimes based on marital status etc... sometimes based on what your job/status/position is :yes: (probably because they can afford private insurance :shifty:)...

The theory is the same.

[oldrider]

The theory is the same.

So are the results: We are all screwed! :facepalm:

[Brian d marge]

You'd happily pay more than 7000 pounds a year for the health cover?? I think I'd rather keep the money in my own pocket and fork out for the odd prescription (which only 1/4 of people in the UK pay for) and any expensive operations I might need out of that.

On the other hand, I'm sure the government would be more than happy for you to pay extra tax, should you wish.

Yup didnt nocite the deduction , per week it wasn't much at that time is was about 15 quid a week
THOUGH many were cash in hand and NHS never had a look in

The cover I got , wasn't top shelf but it was good

I defiantly was a drain on their resources !

Stephen