I want you to live

[p.dath]

As I often do; I was driving in my cage in the CBD. As I often do, I wanted to turn left. As I often do, I indicated left and started slowing down.

However, unlike often, I had a scooter rider on my tail sitting on my left hand side, behind my flashing left indicator light. I was looking them straight in the eye via my rear view mirror, so I know they clearly saw me.

And it was quite apparent the scooter rider was not altering their speed as I slowed down. So just in case, I decided not to execute my left hand turn immediately, but instead brought the car to an almost standstill just to see what would happen.

I don't know why I was surprised. They undertook me on the left hand side. I don't know why, but I felt a little miffed that someone had placed themselves in a position where I could have easily injured them.

I understand that as a young male that you probably aren't old enough to know people who have been knocked off yet, and lost a whole pile of skin, so you wont know that wearing only a helmet for protection wont stop the horrific pain.


But if I could ask just one thing of you; please, please do not ever "over" take a car on left hand side when it is slowing down and indicating that it is turning left. Even if you are happy with the risk you are taking please consider how the driver of the car will feel if they knock you off. Please consider how your family will feel while they spend the next 2 to 6 months visiting you in hospital while you get painful full skin graft after skin graft.

That's all I ask. Be considerate of others while on the road. I really would appreciate it.

[Maha]

Keep in mind that scooter owners/riders are more often than not, on an errand.
Their occupation normally does not help either, Pizza delivery/Hair Stylist/Corperation office bitch or Student.
A little care within spitting distance of such road users is paramount, for both parties.

[Spearfish]

Try and find the real difference between a scoot on a mission and a bike.
Either are dumb for undertaking.
If some of the riding isnt toned down on the motorway I wouldn't be supprised if the *555 calls prompt another filtering crackdown.

[Sable]

Should've knocked the little faggot off. Teach him an important life lesson

[baptist]

:facepalm: He might be a complete plonka but i don't think I could deliberately send him flying. :scooter: can be a pain though, filtering to the front at junctions and then hooning of to at least 45kmh (eventually) and holding up everything behind them (on four or more wheels:)), maybe it is time for their to be some type of awareness training before you are allowed to jump on one and ride off into the sunset (well the supermarket car park anyway).

[Brownbikerbabe]

maybe they were from England...they do everything on the left...right? :innocent:

[sportsbikesrock]

Plain stupid.... no wonder why people hate on scooters. Pity someone cant show him photos of people who have come off doing something dumb without much protection - that just may change his mind.....

[Phreak]

Bugger that, if I knocked a fellow biker off I'd feel like absolute crap. Good on you for seeing him and acknowledging that he was in a bad place at the wrong time. Pity more drivers aren't as aware as that.

[bogan]

Doesn't sound like they learned anything from it, so just hope the next guy is as onto it as you were (and the next guy, and... yeh I'm thinking this scooterist may be in for some pain) . Personally, before I turn left I move right over to the left, mainly cos I'm paranoid about undertaking cyclists, but the effect is the same, nobody can pass on your left.

[Edbear]

Bugger that, if I knocked a fellow biker off I'd feel like absolute crap. Good on you for seeing him and acknowledging that he was in a bad place at the wrong time. Pity more drivers aren't as aware as that.

+1! Well said! Although I'd have probably let him know by gently pressing and holding down the horn as he passed... :innocent:

[Flip]

I almost put a BMW GS1100 into a parked car doing the same thing. He was passing me on the left as I was slowing to pull into a car park on Adelade Rd in Wellington. He gave me the fright of my life then pulled up beside me and asked "Didn't you see me" I said he was a tosser on a tossers bike and not to pass on the left, but not in these words mind you.

[James Deuce]

Stop whining and just run them the fuck over.

If a "motorcyclist" puts them self in the position of me being unable to avoid knocking them off, they'll get a fucking good kicking post-accident.

[Gubb]

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Oh. Snap.

[Littleman]

Stop whining and just run them the fuck over.

If a "motorcyclist" puts them self in the position of me being unable to avoid knocking them off, they'll get a fucking good kicking post-accident.

What would Katman do?

[James Deuce]

What would Katman do?

Probably not what I suggested. He still gives a fuck.

[Toaster]

I felt a little miffed that someone had placed themselves in a position where I could have easily injured them.

... That's all I ask. Be considerate of others while on the road. I really would appreciate it.

Mate, I drive 140km round trip to and from work and quite often have to emergency brake either the car or bike, swerve to avoid a lane changer who didn't look, pull away from a tail-gaiter, flip the bird at those that close up on lane-splitting, flip both birds at those on cellphones or failing to indicate at all... just to name a few.

It is a constant battle out there with roads full of inconsiderate drivers and in some cases riders.

All I can do is be a swtiched-on defensive rider/driver and make myself and my vehicles as visible and well-placed on the road as possible.

LED drive lights on the car and two shell airhorns fitted. 139db airhorn fitted soon on the bike and now using more visible gear with a white helmet, hi-vis vest in poor weather and maybe some other ideas in the wind yet.....

Simply put, I want to get home at the end of the day and have enjoyed my ride.

[Littleman]

Probably not what I suggested. He still gives a fuck.

I certainly don't think giving a fuck is a bad thing.

Katman(or self responsibility) is rare around these parts.

[James Deuce]

I certainly don't think giving a fuck is a bad thing.



I do. It makes you sad when friends and good people die needlessly.

In terms of "self responsibility" I've yet to see a person on KB accept that they contributed to the accident they participated in.

[Littleman]

I do. It makes you sad when friends and good people die needlessly.

In terms of "self responsibility" I've yet to see a person on KB accept that they contributed to the accident they participated in.

Come on old man. Won't fall in love because of the pain of the break up?
Don't pretend otherwise.

For me it was target fixation and an improvement in breaking and the effects on the bike. So I practiced accordingly.

[James Deuce]

Come on old man. Won't fall in love because of the pain of the break up?
Don't pretend otherwise.

For me it was target fixation and an improvement in breaking and the effects on the bike. So I practiced accordingly.

Jeepers, #1, will wonders never cease?

However, what's love got to do with it?

[Littleman]

Jeepers, #1, will wonders never cease?

However, what's love got to do with it?

Something about the will to live and giving up on hope.

Sure, humanity is a bit of a shocker, but there are moments where people make mistakes and actually get things right.

[The Stranger]

In terms of "self responsibility" I've yet to see a person on KB accept that they contributed to the accident they participated in.

StoneY apologised just the other day Jim.

Most do accept responsibility, whether they admit it or not. Few will make the same mistake again. It may not be the acceptance you are looking for but it is acceptance none the less.
Hell, I've been the only vehicle involved in all of my accidents - kinda makes it hard to blame the other guy. Even the spill in diesel I could have avoided had I had a greater following distance. I wasn't tailgating the car but got a bit closer than normal because it he was at 30kph on the open road so I let my guard down a touch. More space and I would have seen it sooner.

But the reality is we are all human and all make mistakes, there's no escaping that so accidents are going to happen and we do need laws to place responsibility. The primary fault lies with the diesel spiller in the case above. So stop getting all katman on us go speak to the diesel spiller, where's his/her call to accept responsibility?

[James Deuce]

StoneY apologised just the other day Jim.

Most do accept responsibility, whether they admit it or not. Few will make the same mistake again. It may not be the acceptance you are looking for but it is acceptance none the less.
Hell, I've been the only vehicle involved in all of my accidents - kinda makes it hard to blame the other guy. Even the spill in diesel I could have avoided had I had a greater following distance. I wasn't tailgating the car but got a bit closer than normal because it he was at 30kph on the open road so I let my guard down a touch. More space and I would have seen it sooner.

But the reality is we are all human and all make mistakes, there's no escaping that so accidents are going to happen and we do need laws to place responsibility. The primary fault lies with the diesel spiller in the case above. So stop getting all katman on us go speak to the diesel spiller, where's his/her call to accept responsibility?

Stoney rides like a fuckwit and loses his license every couple of weeks. Great spokesman for "motorcyclists". I wouldn't be using him as an example of great "responsibility".

You can only accept responsibility for your own fuck ups. Most motorcyclists don't ever reach the level of ownership you're willing to take. It's always someone else's fault. As for the diesel spiller, you what? Even if a trail of 30 snakes was following him as he was spilling it, they wouldn't bust him for it. Why even go there? You can only control your response to a hazard. Some choose not to. Most then blame the diesel spill.

[Ocean1]

You can only accept responsibility for your own fuck ups. Most motorcyclists don't ever reach the level of ownership you're willing to take. It's always someone else's fault. As for the diesel spiller, you what? Even if a trail of 30 snakes was following him as he was spilling it, they wouldn't bust him for it. Why even go there? You can only control your response to a hazard. Some choose not to. Most then blame the diesel spill.

About half of the near fuck ups I've had have been related to diesel or oil spills. Mostly I see 'em in time, but I'll be fucked if I'll have anyone tell me it's my fault if I arse off having failed to do so. And I'm pretty sure that the apropriate person to blame in that case will be the arsehole who spilled it, in spite of what 'Er majesties finest might think.

Just a couple of months ago I pulled over a school bus in Pauahatanui for a wee chat about his vehicles incontinence. It wasn’t the first such discussion. It won’t be the last.

[Littleman]

Sorry, I've stumbled across some baggage Jim has.

I'll dip out and let his prostate grow a little bit bigger.

[GPXchick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5Bci82yjyA

I think this rider actually had a chance to avoid this :violin:, you see the cage start to turn. As a newbie and learning filtering and the such. Who was actually in the wrong here. Thanks guys/gals

[Sable]

if I knocked a fellow biker off I'd feel like absolute crap

Since when are mopeddlers fellow riders? :weird:

[Gubb]

In terms of "self responsibility" I've yet to see a person on KB accept that they contributed to the accident they participated in.
Both of mine were all my fault. Target Fixation both times. Pity I didn't learn all I needed to after the first bin.

[Eyegasm]

What would Katman do?

If Katman was the rider: He would have noticed your indicating, wouldn't have been on your left hand side, would have noticed your tyres turning and would have been about 100 feet behind you.

If Katman was the driver: God knows, but I dear say it would have been close to, if not exactly what you did.


Since when are mopeddlers fellow riders? :weird:

They are just faster pedestrians...