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scissorhands
29th March 2011, 10:11
I dont know if anyone watches the show Piha Rescue on the telly, but I can categorically state that many of the rescues are staged and fake.

The camera crew has set up and they need to meet the contractual arrangement and provide footage of rescues, while hamming it up for the ratings.

Many times I have body surfed away from the flags, only to be harangued into leaving the water... even after I have repeatedly communicated 'ok' either with thumbs up, or speaking to the crew in the inflatable. Anyone with any knowledge could quickly see I was very capable and adept in the sea, which I confirmed with gesture and language

The one time I was present during a fatal drowning, it was the surfers who retrieved the body to shore, as the surf lifesaving cluby rode a bicycle home to get some flippers (surf was tiny!). Other incidents that come to mind, it was a recovering alcoholic and p user surfer who was first at hand to assist a girl getting washed up on rocks during big seas.

If you watch the show closely and have a modicum of knowledge regarding surf, you will see the talked up hype and misinformation regarding usually the size of the swell, that the shows producers encourage to make ratings and money.

With all this cry wolf hysteria and TV time melodrama, the real job of policing the beach for safety often becomes secondary.

Much of the money NZSLA receives goes toward equipment and buildings, which again like a useless government department much is either corrupted away or such as the new tower at Port Waikato, which will be washed away within 2 decades like the last two towers (poor placement on the edge of eroding dunes). The local builder often gets the contracts.....

And on the front page of todays NZ Herald http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10715597


A dispute has flared between Piha lifeguards and a surfing instructor after eight children, some as young as 11, were taken into a rip and a three-metre swell during a lesson.

The children were with the Piha Surf School when emergency services were called to the West Coast beach after being told about 5.30pm that the students were in danger.

Lifeguards took a boy from the water, and the other children swam to the shore.

None of the students had any injuries, but Piha lifeguards say the children were put in unnecessary danger.

Lifeguard Duncan Clarke said the children should never have been taken into the rough conditions.

"I cannot believe he took them out in that. There was a three-metre swell and he took them into a notorious rip. It's completely unbelievable.

"When I pulled up I was in total disbelief and just started counting heads and thought this could only end badly."

Henderson senior sergeant Chris Whitehead said police attended the incident but would not be taking the matter further.

He said it was a misunderstanding between the surfing school and the lifeguards who thought the students were drowning.

Piha Surf School instructor, Phil Wallis, said his students were never in danger.

He and his 19-year-old son had taken them into a rip so they could learn how to get out of it.

"It was an exercise that we were doing ... We'd gone over it on the beach and they were never in danger."

Mr Wallis said the boy who was pulled into the lifeguards' boat did not need to be rescued.

But Mr Clarke said lifeguards thought the children were caught in a rip, and scrambled to rescue them before any of the leg-straps attaching them to buoyant surfboards snapped and the current pulled them under.

"They were terrified, you could see it in their faces. It's incredible no one was hurt."

The lifeguard was filming for the television show Piha Rescue and said the cameras filmed a large wave hitting the students and Mr Wallis calling to his son on the rocks for help.

Mr Wallis said he whistled to his son for assistance, but not because any of the students were in danger.

The lifeguard in charge, Jonathan Webber, agreed with Mr Clarke.

He said Mr Wallis should not have taken the children out when it was getting dark and into a notoriously dangerous patch of water.

"The parents should know they don't have to let their kids go out when it's dangerous like that.

"All the other surf schools around here cancelled their lessons because it was too dangerous."

Video here: http://nz.news.yahoo.com/video/watch/24699881/

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Phil Wallis and his son are extreme watermen training kids to surf, something they have clocked up hundreds of man hours doing. A few times I have expressed concern for kids on the edge of a rip, and also questioned Phil regarding my concern. As always, Phil and his son who are the teachers at Piha Surf School, include a drill whereas they enter a dangerous rip so while swimming next to kids on boards, verbally instructing them throughout the staged ordeal....An exit is easily available, as this 'killer' rip then passes a calm area in the lagoon where the novices can easily wash up on a beach and walk back 5 min to their parents.

As much as I can sympathise with the clubbies concern, as I myself have also been worried, I can also appreciate the value of such a drill exercise, and vehemently question the authority the clubbies use unwisely due to over policing and ignorance.

However, as Piha is often frequented by drunk morons swimming outside the flagged area, clubbies then waste time on idiots who should know better.

The idiocy is not limited to drunk beach goers though, as the authorities are guilty of the same.

In defense of Piha Life Savers, they have erred on the side of caution regarding Piha Surf School, which is always a good thing to rev someone up who dances on the fringe of danger, especially a school with youngsters.

In defence of Piha Surf School, Phil Wallis and his son are experienced watermen with many years of time clocked up in the surf teaching kids, and from my own experiences of seeing capable people driven out of the sea by over zealous clubbies with big guts who couldn't swim to save anyone, and big egos to go with their nice shiny uniforms, made all the worse by TV falsely hamming up the reporting on actual events taking place, to gain money and position at the cost of the real reality and truth of the situation. Hence, the job of saving lives is diluted....

Crying wolf and scaremongering? This is what happens....AND this is after all the airtime of shows like Piha/Bondi Rescue, Danger beach Muriwai, and the massive amount of fund raising NZSLA has been driving for the last few years


http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/70673/number-of-drownings-up-46-percent-on-last-summer

Thirty-five people drowned in the first two months of this year - 11 more than in January and February last year, or a 46% increase.

Water Safety New Zealand describes the increase as very discouraging.

General manager Matt Claridge says: "We know that drowning incidents will peak over the summer months as people take advantage of time away from work and the warmer weather to enjoy aquatic-based activities, but to have such a dramatic increase in terms of a comparison with last year's statistics is very discouraging."

Twelve of the 15 deaths by drowning in February occurred in the top half of the North Island, with five in Auckland, three in Bay of Plenty and two each in Northland and Waikato. Five were at beaches and four in rivers and streams.
Three children drown while unsupervised

Water Safety New Zealand is urging people to follow safety rules such as wearing a lifejacket and not swimming alone.

"People are continuing to ignore safety considerations when swimming," Mr Claridge says. "Whether it is swimming alone, swimming in areas that are obviously dangerous or beyond a person's skill level, the inevitable result is that lives are lost."

Three drownings in February were those of young children who had access to water while unsupervised.

"While we feel for the families involved," Mr Claridge says, "there is really no excuse for these incidents. Parents and caregivers must ensure that young children are appropriately supervised at all times when recreating in or near the water.




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What about spending some of that money on swimming education and effective practises, instead of herding people out of the surf who are obviously are more capable than you, if you took the time to observe their abilities in the surf.

Another case of over funded, TV time bullshit officialdom which has run away with themselves, and no one there to reign them in.

admenk
29th March 2011, 11:15
And there's me thinking everything on the TV was true ..:innocent:

neels
29th March 2011, 11:39
Jebus, that's quite a rant :blink: Did they turn down your membership application or something?

Anyway, all of this panic about kids not learning to swim amuses me. Once upon a time every school had a swimming pool that children were forced into on freezing cold mornings to learn to swim, until draconian legislation made it economically impossible for schools to meet the safety and testing requirements so they got rid of their pools. Now the government is spending money on advertising campaigns telling people how terrible it is that kids don't know how to swim. Go figure.

Number One
29th March 2011, 12:03
Anyway, all of this panic about kids not learning to swim amuses me. Once upon a time every school had a swimming pool that children were forced into on freezing cold mornings to learn to swim, until draconian legislation made it economically impossible for schools to meet the safety and testing requirements so they got rid of their pools. Now the government is spending money on advertising campaigns telling people how terrible it is that kids don't know how to swim. Go figure.

Add to that swimming lessons cost a fricken bomb too...not all parents are equipped to teach their kids - just how bloody serious are they?!

Big Dave
29th March 2011, 12:07
Jebus, that's quite a rant :blink: Did they turn down your membership application or something?

Hands have rusted.

Dave Lobster
29th March 2011, 13:23
Could we drown a few (alleged) celebrities for the TV?

Virago
29th March 2011, 13:50
I've always taken Piha's "proactive" rescue approach with a grain of salt. Frantically racing around snatching people out of the water and then claiming more rescues, is plain bullshit. The fact that this incident was filmed confirms the true reasoning behind it.

Reality TV has a lot to answer for. It's no different to the American police engineering high-speed chases for the "COPS" programme a few years back. It makes for great low-brow TV, but it's not real.

Hoon
29th March 2011, 13:50
In defence of Piha Surf School, Phil Wallis and his son are experienced watermen with many years of time clocked up in the surf teaching kids, and from my own experiences of seeing capable people driven out of the sea by over zealous clubbies with big guts who couldn't swim to save anyone

It doesn't matter how experienced they are, if you are going to put 8 children in danger then you have to be prepared for the worst case scenario and be equipped to rescue 8 children. Some guy and his son standing on the rocks isn't exactly my idea of a well thought out safety plan - sounds pretty cowboy to me.

Maha
29th March 2011, 14:02
'fatal drowning' ....:facepalm:
Have you ever been there when theres been a non fatal drowning?...:blink:

oneofsix
29th March 2011, 14:10
'fatal drowning' ....:facepalm:
Have you ever been there when theres been a non fatal drowning?...:blink:

Is that a resuscitation? but then by definition don't they have to be dead (fatal) before they can be resuscitate? or else its a near drowning. Guess you are right drowning = fatal.

Maha
29th March 2011, 14:19
Is that a resuscitation? but then by definition don't they have to be dead (fatal) before they can be resuscitate? or else its a near drowning. Guess you are right drowning = fatal.

If its a fatal drowning, the outcome is not good....correct.

Toaster
29th March 2011, 14:48
Is that a resuscitation? but then by definition don't they have to be dead (fatal) before they can be resuscitate? or else its a near drowning. Guess you are right drowning = fatal.

This is where it gets complicated. Not breathing does not mean dead. There is not breathing, no pulse and not breathing with pulse still present. I guess both are in various stages of dying if intervention does not occur.

Donor would be able to enlighten us or any other suitably qualified medic/Doctor in the house as to the FACTS.

Toaster
29th March 2011, 14:49
'fatal drowning' ....:facepalm:
Have you ever been there when theres been a non fatal drowning?...:blink:

A bit like Jason in Friday the 13th. No matter how many times you kill that sucker dead, he always comes back for a sequel.

Laava
29th March 2011, 15:02
Piha could do with Stephen Segal in his tank. Fuck yeah!

scissorhands
29th March 2011, 15:06
It doesn't matter how experienced they are, if you are going to put 8 children in danger then you have to be prepared for the worst case scenario and be equipped to rescue 8 children. Some guy and his son standing on the rocks isn't exactly my idea of a well thought out safety plan - sounds pretty cowboy to me.

Same as all the other surf schools. Regulations are in place and were met. Its the nanny state out of control.

I think you are right in a way. 5.30pm is too late if a rescue is needed.

Though in this particular case it may be an issue of personality clashes. Phil has long hair and is quite irreverant, maybe if he 'zieg heiled' a bit this wouldnt have happened

Murray
29th March 2011, 15:10
Were they riding motorcycles?? or is this post on a motorcycle forum because of the size of the waves????

Laava
29th March 2011, 15:14
were they riding motorcycles?? Or is this post on a motorcycle forum because of the size of the waves????

off topic!!!!!!!!!!

scissorhands
29th March 2011, 15:16
Were they riding motorcycles?? or is this post on a motorcycle forum because of the size of the waves????

A biker was eating a pie and watching from the club rooms bar....he told me you wouldnt mind????

Blackshear
29th March 2011, 15:55
I would personally just not swim at Piha.

Go there every weekend because it's 30ks from my house, ain't ever gonna swim in that death cove.

Problem solved :innocent:

Ocean1
29th March 2011, 16:22
Add to that swimming lessons cost a fricken bomb too...not all parents are equipped to teach their kids - just how bloody serious are they?!

Drowning lessons my kids called them.

And yeah, you'd have to be a special person, (a politician, with the pre-frontal labotomy) not to see that closing all the school pools would cause more drownings.

Still, look on the bright side, think of the money we saved, why there must be a bunch of stuff.... ah fuckit, I ain't got the strength.

Oblivion
29th March 2011, 16:35
Drowning lessons my kids called them.

And yeah, you'd have to be a special person, (a politician, with the pre-frontal labotomy) not to see that closing all the school pools would cause more drownings.

Still, look on the bright side, think of the money we saved, why there must be a bunch of stuff.... ah fuckit, I ain't got the strength.

When I was at Primary, the swimming lessons that they gave us were god damn awful. 1 lesson I remember is that we just had to put our heads under the water and WALK through a hoop. How the hell does walking in a shallow pool have any effect on their ability to survive in deep water...... :facepalm:

Spearfish
29th March 2011, 16:39
And who here didn't sneak in for a swim late nights when school was closed over the holidays, aye?
alllll those years ago when bananas tasted like bananas.....farken school swimming competitions....Marmite chip roll and a pie was under 50c from the tuck shop and Kbars lasted all lunch......

Just a concrete hole in the ground now.

Progress closed the school pools and built public urinals to swim in. yay!!

Deano
29th March 2011, 16:46
When I was at Primary, the swimming lessons that they gave us were god damn awful. 1 lesson I remember is that we just had to put our heads under the water and WALK through a hoop. How the hell does walking in a shallow pool have any effect on their ability to survive in deep water...... :facepalm:

Was it to teach you to hold your breath while concentrating on walking through the hoop ? Sounds like a good lesson on the face of it.

Maha
29th March 2011, 16:53
What suprises me about the programme is that most of those being 'saved' just get out of the boat and walk off, no kiss my arse or anything.

Reckless
29th March 2011, 17:04
What surprises me about the program me is that most of those being 'saved' just get out of the boat and walk off, no kiss my arse or anything.

Your quite right noticed it to!!

But if mr scissor is right they might have just wanted/got a ride in?? Dunno?

tri boy
29th March 2011, 17:21
What suprises me about the programme is that most of those being 'saved' just get out of the boat and walk off, no kiss my arse or anything.

Quite normal. 8 years in a west coast lifesaving club, (3 years as boat captain) and 4 serious rescues, (requiring proper e.a.r and c.p.r, one while negoiating waves in the duck), and only ahandful of retrieved people actually stopped to acknowledge the crew that helped them.

Boxing day 84 our rostered patrol assisted over 80 people during a 10hr shift from hell. (3 sand bars, and lots of wankers swimming in jeans etc).

People do it for the selfless act of community service and for club enviroment.
Scissor sounds like he has an issue with the local crew.
Also a common theme between clubbies and waxheads.
Clubbies always had the fittest girls:love:

Wannabiker
29th March 2011, 17:49
Hmmmm. If he is running this as a business, then he probably should have a better safety back-up for his clients.

Perhaps he should have been in an inflatable hovering around, giving advice and direction. ...or at least let the rescue guys know of his intentions, numbers and perhaps arranging for them to provide rescue cover as a training exercise for their rescue staff, slipping the club a donation for their efforts.

If he had one of his clients get into difficulty, then I am sure he would;
a. be thankful of the rescue service, or,
b. worst case, been taken to the cleaners by Department of Labour.

JimO
29th March 2011, 17:51
saw it on the news, not a good look

Virago
29th March 2011, 18:11
Having seen the news footage, I'm even more convinced that it was a needless "rescue" for the benefit of the cameras, fueled by personal vendetta.

nadroj
29th March 2011, 18:42
Obviously there was a bit of history between Phil & the "club". Rescue certainly came across as over the top not to mention pushy.
A mediation between the parties may be the only way forward....

98tls
29th March 2011, 18:42
Just watched it myself,load of bollocks.Lifesaver dude was being a tosser.

NighthawkNZ
29th March 2011, 18:43
Having seen the news footage, I'm even more convinced that it was a needless "rescue" for the benefit of the cameras, fueled by personal vendetta.

I thought the same thing....

idb
29th March 2011, 18:47
It reminds me a bit of this

- Events leading up to the shooting death of a 7-year-old girl at the hands of a Detroit officer may have been videotaped by a crime-reality series camera crew that was with police as they searched a family home for a homicide suspect.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=156185

There have been subsequent suggestions that it came about because the cops were playing up for the camera.

http://www.bvblackspin.com/2010/06/02/aiyana-jones-shooting-cover-up-police/

scissorhands
29th March 2011, 18:50
Your quite right noticed it to!!

But if mr scissor is right they might have just wanted/got a ride in?? Dunno?

During a survival experience, the heart is pumping, but yeah most are thankless idiots


Hmmmm. If he is running this as a business, then he probably should have a better safety back-up for his clients.

Perhaps he should have been in an inflatable hovering around, giving advice and direction. ...or at least let the rescue guys know of his intentions, numbers and perhaps arranging for them to provide rescue cover as a training exercise for their rescue staff, slipping the club a donation for their efforts.

If he had one of his clients get into difficulty, then I am sure he would;
a. be thankful of the rescue service, or,
b. worst case, been taken to the cleaners by Department of Labour.

Very good points, but an inflatable used by instructors is impractical for effective teaching. If regulations then make one compulsory, lesson costs which are already $$, would increase...


Having seen the news footage, I'm even more convinced that it was a needless "rescue" for the benefit of the cameras, fueled by personal vendetta.

Hmm, just watched the video. Clarke was in a fighting mood! Poor kids being caught in the middle by bureaucracy...

I wonder who made the call to the Piha lifeguards, who have to get their ass in gear and do their job...

100% certain this is a storm in a tea cup with an ulterior meaning, in no way were those kids at any real risk. I love the way Clarke (who appears often on Piha Rescue!!)called the surfers 'patients'. What a load of bollocks!

Give the guy a bit of TV time, and he goes off like an idiot.

Latte
29th March 2011, 20:30
Do the lifeguards have their own surf school ? Trying to squeeze out the competition ;)

puddytat
29th March 2011, 20:49
They made a film once which was called Surf Nazi's must Die.....:yes::corn:

scissorhands
29th March 2011, 20:50
Do the lifeguards have their own surf school ? Trying to squeeze out the competition ;)

I'd say its all about the money. Phil and his son must be very popular instructors going by the number of times I see them teaching groups of kids. Way more work than the many other surf schools. Phil works hard and brings a huge amount of energy and professionalism to his work, and really knows how to get the most from the kids.

He's a no bullshit guy who just ran into a big pile of stinking bureaucratic manure.

I can appreciate concern for safety, and hope that the two parties can work harmoniously together in the future

ellipsis
29th March 2011, 21:03
..if we was sposed to swim we would be born with fins...another good reason to avoid the water is 'cos its wet and fish fuck in it...yuk...pauas are cool..kneedeep...

Bikemad
29th March 2011, 21:46
having just watched said video i would say the only thing the kids were scared of was gettin run over by dumbcun and his sidekick ballast man in the inflatable.........think ol duncy was a bit pissed about not finishing his pre barby latte........ and as for "narly out there"......pffft...........he had to drag the poor kid off the board.......not like the kid was clambbering to get in the boat

Indoo
30th March 2011, 01:26
Kids looked fine in the footage. Lifeguards looked completely hyped up, agro, and way over the top. It was just a rip not the perfect storm, anyone learning has to deal with them and use them properly.

Smifffy
30th March 2011, 05:45
When I was a kid, at nippers, the surf club would teach the kids about rips and how to get out of them. (Stay in them actually and come back in down the beach, but that's another story).

oneofsix
30th March 2011, 06:04
..if we was sposed to swim we would be born with fins...another good reason to avoid the water is 'cos its wet and fish fuck in it...yuk...pauas are cool..kneedeep...

fish also shit in it ... and guess what the pauas eat :yes:

what is it with peps in this country, give them a little authoritar and they go nuts. Is it because we are so repressed?

Smifffy
30th March 2011, 06:08
fish also shit in it ... and guess what the pauas eat :yes:

what is it with peps in this country, give them a little authoritar and they go nuts. Is it because we are so repressed?

He prolly thought he was te Hoff.

Swoop
30th March 2011, 07:16
The footage made it quite clear that no rescue was needed. The bald-headed rescuer looked like a complete knob-end.
Do the surf club have a "quota" to fill as well???:facepalm:

Latte
30th March 2011, 10:30
The footage made it quite clear that no rescue was needed. The bald-headed rescuer looked like a complete knob-end.
Do the surf club have a "quota" to fill as well???:facepalm:

Maybe the TV production crew require <-----> this much action per episode of Piha rescue. So the guards have to stretch <---> that much to fit.

Just Maybe......

scissorhands
30th March 2011, 10:58
Maybe the TV production crew require <-----> this much action per episode of Piha rescue. So the guards have to stretch <---> that much to fit.

Just Maybe......

Just really. I was in a flippant mood a couple of years back, and at Piha approached the camera crew for 'Piha Rescue'. I asked them how it was going, 'yeah not much action today' sort of thing, I then said 'would you like me to throw myself off the rocks, way out near the beehive?'.

They were keen as... and prolly would have filmed it, pretending it was all real!

Another time while I was surfing, a group of 5-6 stunning teen models were 'caught' in a rip. You could see the action on the beach, all the clubbies trying to get in the picture with the TV crew there. I asked one of the girls if she was okay as she went floating by, she smiled and said she was fine. I thought it really strange at the time..... Anyways, I was heading in thats how come I was near them beside the rip. So, when they were all rescued and on the beach, all the smiles and laughing made it evident it was all a hoax.

I seriously hope no one has died in the surf while the clubbies fuck around playing Hoff and Pammie:yes:

Number One
30th March 2011, 16:13
'would you like me to throw myself off the rocks, way out near the beehive?' They were keen as...

Oh that's terrible! Did you pinch their sammies or summat?