Jerez 2-3 April...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Stoner $2.75

Lorenzo $3.00. Surely it'll be between those two this weekend?

I reckon Lorenzo will be pretty hard to beat there.

[Latte]

Go Whoregay!

(Just for you, Devil)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Provided something silly (like Pedrosa winning it) doesn't happen...you can make a few bucks by betting on them both.

[DidJit]

Methinks that Pedrosa has plenty of motivation to get one over both a certain Mallorcan and that new team mate. Will be interesting to see how he manages his riding now that he's got his shoulder on his mind.

[*caution*]

Stoner has always been good at Qatar, and Pedrosa is good at Jerez so maybe they will be a lot closer this week?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah. That, and Stoner has never gone super well at Jerez. Think a 3rd is his best effort there. But Lorenzo won it last year...and Rossi year before that I think. Pretty sure you can still count Rossi out...neither he nor the Ducati are there yet together.

[Wingnut]

Tony Elias is looking great on the control tyres this year....:shutup:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Tony Elias is looking great on the control tyres this year....:shutup:

Go on...bet on him. He's paying $500.00 to win! Funny that...

[denill]

Methinks that Pedrosa has plenty of motivation to get one over both a certain Mallorcan and that new team mate. Will be interesting to see how he manages his riding now that he's got his shoulder on his mind.

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Mar/110331a.htm>Pedrosa's Having Surgery:</A>

[DidJit]

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Mar/110331a.htm>Pedrosa's Having Surgery:</A>

More (http://motomatters.com/news/2011/03/31/pedrosa_to_undergo_surgery_after_jerez_t.html) on that.

[Reckless]

I hope the surgery works good, like him or hate him the more competition up front the better!!
Thank goodness its on this coming weekend just got another slab of internet to download the torrent!!
Still very interesting to assess who might start taking off up front in the points! Early days yet but hopefully this chase will go to the last race!!!
Bring it on!

[george formby]

I hope the surgery works good, like him or hate him the more competition up front the better!!
Thank goodness its on this coming weekend just got another slab of internet to download the torrent!!
Still very interesting to assess who might start taking off up front in the points! Early days yet but hopefully this chase will go to the last race!!!
Bring it on!

I cast my chicken bones in the garden this morning & examined the entrails of a passing Albatross.

It is going to be a very interesting season, I saw fairing rubbing, young men crying & a bit of fisticuffs in the kitty litter. Not for another 2 or 3 races though.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Lorenzo

Stoner

Spies

Simoncelli

Dovi

[DidJit]

Even more interesting reading (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/03/31/2011_motogp_jerez_thursday_round_up_pati.html). :yes:

[ac3_snow]

Lorenzo

Stoner

Spies

Simoncelli

Dovi

Lorenzo is gonna be out to make up for the first round but id still like to think that stoner (or someone, anyone!) can keep him at bay
Bonus its on at a reasonable time too don't have to worry about sky f#@king it up again.

[Reckless]

Lorenzo is gonna be out to make up for the first round but id still like to think that stoner (or someone, anyone!) can keep him at bay
Bonus its on at a reasonable time too don't have to worry about sky f#@king it up again.

ok two questions please?

According to the MotoGP website time conversion thingy the race runs on Sunday night at midnight at our time??
IS that right??

Televised on sky 9:30pm Monday night our time?? And its Highlights?? Does Highlights mean sky televises the whole GP and Moto2 races??

My Son wants to sign up for sky but as its not live telecast I might get the torrent sooner and better coverage!

Cheers in advance!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Lorenzo is gonna be out to make up for the first round but id still like to think that stoner (or someone, anyone!) can keep him at bay
Bonus its on at a reasonable time too don't have to worry about sky f#@king it up again.

I think he'll be pretty tough to beat at home...but for sure...can't wait to see the race!

[del-solider]

ok two questions please?

According to the MotoGP website time conversion thingy the race runs on Sunday night at midnight at our time??
IS that right??

Televised on sky 9:30pm Monday night our time?? And its Highlights?? Does Highlights mean sky televises the whole GP and Moto2 races??

My Son wants to sign up for sky but as its not live telecast I might get the torrent sooner and better coverage!


Itll be on sky(sky sport1) on sunday night live, guide says 8.45pm itll cross over and 125's will start.
Motogp will start round midnight , so yes you will get it live.

Some races though will be on sky sport 2 or 3 this year so if you buying sky just for motogp makew sure its sky digital so you get all the sky sports.

Cheers in advance!

[denill]

Itll be on sky(sky sport1) on sunday night live, guide says 8.45pm itll cross over and 125's will start.
Motogp will start round midnight , so yes you will get it live.

Some races though will be on sky sport 2 or 3 this year so if you buying sky just for motogp makew sure its sky digital so you get all the sky sports.

Cheers in advance!

Sky Sport will show MotoGP Qualifying at 11am Sunday and yep, MotoGP starts screening 8.45pm Sunday. WooHoo.......... :yes: :yes:

[BIG DOUG]

Stoner,lorenzo,spies

[Crasherfromwayback]

After the end of the 1st practice...it's Stoner, Pedrosa, Rossi, Simoncelli, Lrenzo

[Brian d marge]

And the neil spalding interview shed a bit of light on thing

Stephen

[denill]

After the end of the 1st practice...it's Stoner, Pedrosa, Rossi, Simoncelli, Lrenzo

And then its...................

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Apr/110401afp2.htm

[denill]

Mmmmm, first 8 riders within one second. Woo hoooooo

[Crasherfromwayback]

Looking like a great race coming our way! Be great to see Rossi get amongst it. Especially if he and Lorenzo start trading paint again. Now they're not team mates...all hell could break loose.

[denill]

Looking like a great race coming our way! Be great to see Rossi get amongst it. Especially if he and Lorenzo start trading paint again. Now they're not team mates...all hell could break loose.

Put Stoner and Simo in the mix - all hell will break loose.
Specially with Simo in there......... :facepalm:

[Reckless]

To Be honest I'm thinkin (and not wishing this on any of them) someone could well get hurt?? They sure are giving out a lot of take no prisoners vibs this time around!!

Sorta makes you wonder why someone like Rossi recovering from injuries and been there done that! Isn't thinking, fuck this for a joke, I'm rich enough, think ill leave it to these young nutters!!

good stuff though!

[george formby]

To Be honest I'm thinkin (and not wishing this on any of them) someone could well get hurt?? They sure are giving out a lot of take no prisoners vibs this time around!!

Sorta makes you wonder why someone like Rossi recovering from injuries and been there done that! Isn't thinking, fuck this for a joke, I'm rich enough, think ill leave it to these young nutters!!

good stuff though!

That's exactly why I'm picking Rossi will bide his time. By mid-season he will have changes to his bike, be healed & a very clear idea of what he needs to do with the front runners.
We may see the Rossi of old in the second half of the season, applying pressure from behind ( no pun intended ) & forcing mistakes.

[BMWST?]

stoner pedrosa if his shoulder holds simo lornzo.....what happened to dovi.Some interesting reading about Casy (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Apr/110401rydernotes.htm) and the duc....i am picking stoner (http://gpone.com/index.php/en/news/35-in-evidenza/3287-il-segreto-di-stoner-qlui-non-piegaq.html) for ther title.I really think he has the bike and the talent....

[Brian d marge]

That's exactly why I'm picking Rossi will bide his time. By mid-season he will have changes to his bike, be healed & a very clear idea of what he needs to do with the front runners.
We may see the Rossi of old in the second half of the season, applying pressure from behind ( no pun intended ) & forcing mistakes.

If those parts arrive

Ok its a rumour , but the old smoke without fire

Stoner saying that, he asked for similar and didn't get ..

If half of this is true , Rossi on strike , or perhaps a go slow. work to rule ??

Stephen

[Crasherfromwayback]

That's exactly why I'm picking Rossi will bide his time. By mid-season he will have changes to his bike, be healed & a very clear idea of what he needs to do with the front runners.
We may see the Rossi of old in the second half of the season, applying pressure from behind ( no pun intended ) & forcing mistakes.

If he doesn't fuck himself up crashing the thing first. He biffed it big in Qualifying...and is down in 12th for the start of the race. Can't recall EVER seeing Stoner that far down the pecking order on the thing...

[cowpoos]

Pretty sure you can still count Rossi out...


you mean Rossi the moaner?? I bet he has a new found respect for stoner!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

you mean Rossi the moaner?? I bet he has a new found respect for stoner!!

Rossi's biff was just like nearly all of Stoners last year. Mid corner....no warning, front says bye bye. Maybe he's not trying hard enough?

[White trash]

If Stoner can win at Jerez, and he obviously has the pace, I'm predicting a complete whitewash of the season. "Rossi of old" style. Never off the podium for the season and number 1 plate secured with 4 rounds to go.

And a carton of Steinlagers Pete's way.....................

[Brian d marge]

Its all about the tyres , Honda have been working up to this for a while ( Smart move by stoner if he knew this )

And about chassis flex , mid corner . I think from memory Suzuki got the bridgestones working early ( cant remember how , at 9 am pre coffee I think by moving the engine backwards ), ie get the bike working to fit the tyres . Spees saying the 2011 yamaha the tyres feel soft ... ie Yamaha seem on the right track ...

The ducati is a carbon fibre frame and chassis flex is a seat of the pants thing Rossi is a very good developmental rider ...

so.... Rossi if he gets it up the front , well done

Pedrosa ,,,,what can u say , hes gutted and if anyone askes about the shouder again expect a midget to explode

Stoner , that smile on his face, is a very confident smile , he knows it and they knows it

Elias , Not happening , bye bye

Stephen

[denill]

Rossi's biff was just like nearly all of Stoners last year. Mid corner....no warning, front says bye bye. Maybe he's not trying hard enough?

Rossi must be REALLY regreting his "Casey's not pushing the Ducati hard enough" comment. He couldn't ride the thing that Stoner rode and they are franticly trying to turn it into something else.

Reckon Ducati should be putting some Lire toward DePuniet's camp. He seems to be able to ride around the fuckers weaknesses. :blink:

[carbonhed]

Actually thought Pedro might win this but it's all down to how the shoulder holds up. Still think it'll be a Spaniard so Lorenzo followed by Stoner with Pedro either first or third... if that makes sense :confused:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Actually thought Pedro might win this but it's all down to how the shoulder holds up. Still think it'll be a Spaniard so Lorenzo followed by Stoner with Pedro either first or third... if that makes sense :confused:

I still think Lorenzo will pip Stoner at this one. Gotta say...you were right about Simoncelli...I was wrong. He's come good for sure.

[ac3_snow]

are we there yet?! the waiting is killing me

[Crasherfromwayback]

If Stoner can win at Jerez, and he obviously has the pace, I'm predicting a complete whitewash of the season. "Rossi of old" style. Never off the podium for the season and number 1 plate secured with 4 rounds to go.

And a carton of Steinlagers Pete's way.....................

Well we all know anything can happen in racing mate. But my opinion of Stoner being the fastest racer I've ever seen ain't looking so far off the mark right now.

[carbonhed]

I still think Lorenzo will pip Stoner at this one. Gotta say...you were right about Simoncelli...I was wrong. He's come good for sure.

We're probably both crazy to think anybody's going to pip Stoner... probably crash trying.

Simoncelli's still got to win a race long dice for top "non alien" though and I have no idea who that will be tomorrow. Probably Spies although he's been a bit out of sorts this weekend.

How about Spies second into turn one behind Pedro who then manages to get a break and rides off to win while all hell breaks loose behind him?

[Crasherfromwayback]

We're probably both crazy to think anybody's going to pip Stoner... probably crash trying.

How about Spies second into turn one behind Pedro who then manages to get a break and rides off to win while all hell breaks loose behind him?

Seems like the only cunts that can ride these 800's properly are ex 250 GP racers. I still think Spies will be able to give the 'Aliens' a go...just may not happen till they go back to the thous.

[Brian d marge]

Seems like the only cunts that can ride these 800's properly are ex 250 GP racers. I still think Spies will be able to give the 'Aliens' a go...just may not happen till they go back to the thous.

higher mid corner speed ??? not point and squirt or slide and squirt???

Rossi it has been said is better at sifting through the problems , Stoner is a ride round it

What was the problem for Ducati? did they want to know why in order to produce a better bike and Stoner couldnt deliver ?

After the holidayt and mid season , if that ducati isnt going quicker , then those parts aint being delivered , money?? resourses?? it is an expensive year this year ,?

Come on Hopper , its great to see him back ,,, They were saying he has a few problems before he left the gp paddock

I missed that , what were they ( miller lite? or just not used to proper English beer )

Stephen

[carbonhed]

Come on Hopper , its great to see him back ,,, They were saying he has a few problems before he left the gp paddock

I missed that , what were they ( miller lite? or just not used to proper English beer )

Stephen

It is good to see him back and making a decent fist of it.

The Eurosport guys were saying he became a bit of a party animal/piss head. Even managed to miss a test because he was so under the weather.

[hayd3n]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/motorsport/4842161/Stoner-Pedrosa-set-MotoGP-pace-in-Jerez
Australia's Casey Stoner was fastest at free practice yesterday for this weekend's Spanish MotoGP.

Honda rider Stoner, winner of the season-opening Qatar GP, clocked a combined 1min 39.551sec for both sessions in windy conditions to put him 0.028sec ahead of Spanish teammate Dani Pedrosa.

Stoner admitted he was "pretty happy" with his two sessions on a track where he hasn't had much success in the past.

"I remain nevertheless prudent because during the previous Grand Prix I did well in the first sessions and I had to battle more and more as the race approached," he said.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Cat-Pigeons

[Brian d marge]

Cat-Pigeons

Antony west on the MZ for the win in the Motogp class :yes:

Stephen

[Crasherfromwayback]

Antony west on the MZ for the win in the Motogp class :yes:

Stephen

Drugs easy to get in Japan?

[Brian d marge]

Drugs easy to get in Japan?

Free
big factory up north pumping them out all the time

even in the water now

you were lucky ant west wasnt on the enfield , that would show em !!!

Stephen

[montsta56]

:laugh::laugh: " Your ambition out weighed your talent" :laugh::laugh:

Cheeky Fooker

[LBD]

Stoner to Rossi after the race...."Your ambition out weighs your ability"

I imagine the comment "I warned you about that front end" might have bee appropriate as well

Sum's it up really!

[eelracing]

Hells teeth what's been going on ???

[ac3_snow]

Lorenzo

Stoner

Spies

Simoncelli

Dovi

Good prediction there with lorenzo mate, rep given accordingly.
gotta finish before you can win!

[LBD]

Hells teeth what's been going on ???

An overly ambitious overtaking manouver by Rossi, late braking underneath Stoner on a corner...Rossi loses it and takes Stoner out.

And after the event the marshals help Rossi back into the Race ignoring Stoner....Although Stoner was out so the bike may have been damaged.

[Brian d marge]

An overly ambitious overtaking manouver by Rossi, late braking underneath Stoner on a corner...Rossi loses it and takes Stoner out.

And after the event the marshals help Rossi back into the Race ignoring Stoner....Although Stoner was out so the bike may have been damaged.

ohh I want to see that

Ive just started to watch the 125 qualifying

Stephen

[eelracing]

Stoner to Rossi after the race...."Your ambition out weighs your ability"!


An overly ambitious overtaking manouver by Rossi, late braking underneath Stoner on a corner...Rossi loses it and takes Stoner out

Having not seen the race I can only assume Stoner was taking a nap on the racing line,specially as Rossi must of stormed through from the back of the grid...no?

[LBD]

Having not seen the race I can only assume Stoner was taking a nap on the racing line,specially as Rossi must of stormed through from the back of the grid...no?

no...Rossi, as he has done before, tried to storm through under another riders line, brakes late and makes the other rider take evasive steps....cept this time Rossi bit off too much, lost the bike and took Stoner with him...no excuses, plain reckless over ambitious riding...nothing world class about it....

And it was still very early in the race and early in the season...no need for that sort of carry on

[Duke girl]

An overly ambitious overtaking manouver by Rossi, late braking underneath Stoner on a corner...Rossi loses it and takes Stoner out.

And after the event the marshals help Rossi back into the Race ignoring Stoner....Although Stoner was out so the bike may have been damaged.

Regardless of whether or not Stoners bike was damaged which they the Marshalls wouldn't have known that until they got to Stoners bike which was way after the looked after Rossi 1st who caused Stoner to come down.
Marshalls need to do their jobs more proffesional and not have favourites. There was enough of them to split into 2 groups with half going to Rossi and the other to Stoner. Fairs Fair.

[CHOPPA]

I would have snapped his brake level off

[Shaun]

I would have snapped his brake level off


That would have just made him ride faster

[rachprice]

They should have a rule that the marshals should at least try to help the person who was taken out!
I realize it wouldn't have changed anything but what dicks only helping Rossi bet it's like 'oh I got to touch him and his bike oh my god'
Poor stoner

[Crasherfromwayback]

For the Stoner haters...bet he took that shit from Rossi better than any of you would've! Good to see Stoner still ahead of that dirty cunt points wise. As for the marshals...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Good prediction there with lorenzo mate, rep given accordingly.
gotta finish before you can win!

Bloody lucky Simoncelli binned it. I had $100.00 on Lorenzo.

[carbonhed]

What a bloody shambles :rofl:

Good call on Lorenzo.

Absolutely gutted for Stoner, punted off and abandoned by the marshalls.

Good brave ride from Pedro.

How to go from "The GOAT" to "a goat" :facepalm:

[Rcktfsh]

Well nothing if not exciting, Simo & Edwards both grasping defeat from the jaws of victory. Rossi on the hammer till losing the front after he'd passed that odd little aussie chap but once the marshalls had extracted him from under the bikes (though some seem to think they should have been attending to an upright and clearly alright Stoner) and still coming back through the field to get a good brace of points.
Bring on rnd 3!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rossi on the hammer till losing the front after he'd passed that odd little aussie chap but once the marshalls had extracted him from under the bikes (though some seem to think they should have been attending to an upright and clearly alright Stoner) and still coming back through the field to get a good brace of points.
Bring on rnd 3!

Nice wind up. I'll take the bait. Rossi was clearly alright too mate. So why help him get started instead of Stoner....who was the innocent party to a shit piece of riding?

To then go and see Stoner with the whole world watching...to show us what a good sport he is...was pathetic. If he was a good sport...he would've got Stoner back on his bike and bump started before he remounted. Think Stoner summed it up nicely. "Your ambition outweights your ability" That pass was never gonna stick.

I hope someone skittles Rossi BIG time...then we'll see how well he takes it.

[Rcktfsh]

Me wind people up :innocent:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Me wind people up :innocent:

Hahaha...I'm still gonna get square on the beer.

[Latte]

It's all a conspiracy. Vale is still getting paid by Yamaha, to take Stoner out so George can win the championship. He's been playing up the front end and making out he can't ride it properly with his "bad" shoulder. now the stage is set he'll be doing it all over the show.

In fact this conspiracy has been going on for so long that Lorenzo and Rossi are actually good mates, and all the tension over the last few years was to put people off whats about to happen this year.

I know it's true, mate down pub told me, and he knows these things.

[Bardman]

I would never wish someone to take out another rider.
Racing is Racing.:yes:

[Matt Bleck]

How funny is it that Stoner is still being affected by the Duc's front end problems!!!! :violin:

[NZsarge]

Nice wind up. I'll take the bait. Rossi was clearly alright too mate. So why help him get started instead of Stoner....who was the innocent party to a shit piece of riding?

To then go and see Stoner with the whole world watching...to show us what a good sport he is...was pathetic. If he was a good sport...he would've got Stoner back on his bike and bump started before he remounted. Think Stoner summed it up nicely. "Your ambition outweights your ability" That pass was never gonna stick.

I hope someone skittles Rossi BIG time...then we'll see how well he takes it.
Oh FFS! Build a bridge and get over it, you know Rossi has been taken out before through no fault of his own, that's racing, it sucks but you move on, specially at that level. It's not like he did it on purpose just to take him out, yes it was dumb for sure. He was light years faster than Stoner so he should have waited for a less risky opportunity. He obviously saw Afro boy getting away and let the panic mode set in too much and tried something he shouldn't have.


How funny is it that Stoner is still being affected by the Duc's front end problems!!!! :violin:

Yes, ironic isn't it....:facepalm:

[NZsarge]

I'm still pissed that Spies binned but looking at the tires on the bikes afterward i'm not that surprised there were so many off's.

[denill]

Did I just watch a "Ride Like a Rookie MotoGP" ? :facepalm: :facepalm:

[wharfy]

It's all a conspiracy. Vale is still getting paid by Yamaha, to take Stoner out so George can win the championship. He's been playing up the front end and making out he can't ride it properly with his "bad" shoulder. now the stage is set he'll be doing it all over the show.

In fact this conspiracy has been going on for so long that Lorenzo and Rossi are actually good mates, and all the tension over the last few years was to put people off whats about to happen this year.

I know it's true, mate down pub told me, and he knows these things.

It'll be on Wikileaks soon....:)

[carbonhed]

Hayden is now fourth in the championship two points behind Stoner. Didn't see that coming :laugh:

[roogazza]

Some 'ambition' and 'ability' there, from 15th to 5th after an off !

[Dave-]

I heard Rossi intentionally took out stoner cause he was beating lorenzo and rossi is still working for yamaha who're sponsored by fiat an italian brand....

haha

[rachprice]

Vale did admit that going straight to the Repsol Honda garage meant he could 'feel more protected with the helmet.'
Rossi said he didn't even mean to try and pass but got in too hot and couldn't go wide. Stoner harbors the suspicion that Vale was trying to prove something to him on his old bike.

[carbonhed]

Some 'ambition' and 'ability' there, from 15th to 5th after an off !

Truly heroic piece of spin doctoring there Gazza :yes:

He "achieved" that result on a bike he could have challenged for the win on and all it took was...

Punting off pole sitter and race favourite
Spot of luck with bike still in running order
35 helpfull marshals to get him going who then proceed to drag Stoner off the track
43 other riders to fall off

Truly magisterial performance. :facepalm:

[puddytat]

If it was me ,I wouldve helped up Rossi first too, then accidently tripped up Stoner when he tried to remount.....FFS

[Reckless]

Well to be honest who gives a shit who's up who and woulda shoulda coulda!

What a bloody brilliant race! Bring on the rain again!
More about the riders than the bikes, the good, the bad and the ugly!

Brilliant! gonna watch that again! only one winner here thats moto GP!

I must say though, Lorenzo did show common sense, ability and skill thats for sure!

[wharfy]

Stoner does himself no favors though, instead of dissing Rossi's apology as "just for the camera" (which it may well have been) he could have just said " Yeah, Na, all good mate just get that front end sorted before trying that one again eh"

Putting on a brave face when shit happens is part of the job - If he looses the championship by 20 points or less he may then be able to safely say " Yeah, Na, but if Rossi hadn't taken me out at Jerez I woulda won it" and everyone would say "yeah bad luck cobber" :)

[Reckless]

Stoner does himself no favors though, instead of dissing Rossi's apology as "just for the camera" (which it may well have been) he could have just said " Yeah, Na, all good mate just get that front end sorted before trying that one again eh"

Putting on a brave face when shit happens is part of the job - If he looses the championship by 20 points or less he may then be able to safely say " Yeah, Na, but if Rossi hadn't taken me out at Jerez I woulda won it" and everyone would say "yeah bad luck cobber" :)

Agreed!!

here's what Crash .net says went down

This is what Casey Stoner said to Valentino Rossi when the Italian apologised for taking the Australian out of the Spanish MotoGP after a botched overtake for second place on lap 8 of 27.

Rossi rejoined to finish fifth, while new Repsol Honda rider Stoner - who won from pole at round one in Qatar, and was on pole again at Jerez - was forced to retire.

Rossi went to find Stoner in the Repsol Honda pits after the race and they shook hands, then...

Stoner (smiling): “How's your shoulder? Is it okay?”

Rossi (helmet still on): “I'm very sorry.”

Stoner: “Okay. You have some problem with your shoulder?”

Rossi: “I make a mistake”

Stoner: “Yeah. Obviously your ambition outweighed your talent.”

Rossi: “Eh?”

Stoner: “Ambition is more than the talent.”

Rossi: “I'm very sorry.”

Stoner: “No problem.”

Mind you on a rethink there's a case to be said that Rossi deserved a serve and Stoner was quite within his rights to have a go at his Talent after being punted off like that! Bearing in mind to race at that level you would have to believe you had as much or more talent than your competitors!!

AH well all good for the season aye!! Bit of biff and bash and more front end wash outs than on laundry day!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oh FFS! Build a bridge and get over it, you know Rossi has been taken out before through no fault of his own, that's racing, it sucks but you move on, specially at that level. It's not like he did it on purpose just to take him out, yes it was dumb for sure. He was light years faster than Stoner so he should have waited for a less risky opportunity. :

First of all...show me Rossi getting taken out by a muppet move.

Light years faster than Stoner? Hardly. He simply made a muppet move that cost Stoner points.

Build a bridge? I don't need to mate. I won $200.00 at the tab for backing Lorenzo. Quite happy with the outcome of the race actually.

Last...but not least...if you're proud of that fudge packer Rossi for his display of 'sportsmanship', and you think it was fair...I pity you. Best thing is...Stoner is gonna give ya boyfriend a fair fucking hiding this year. Despite being taken out by a novice move by him.

[carbonhed]

If it was me ,I wouldve helped up Rossi first too, then accidently tripped up Stoner when he tried to remount.....FFS

That's pretty much what they did :niceone:

[pritch]

I heard Rossi intentionally took out stoner cause he was beating lorenzo and rossi is still working for yamaha who're sponsored by fiat an italian brand....

haha

It's a bugga getting old, I get confused easy.
And there was me thinking Fiat left Yamaha to go with Rossi, which left Yamaha sponsored by ummmm Yamaha???

[LBD]

Interesting to see Rossi left his helmet on until after he left the Honda pit.....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Interesting to see Rossi left his helmet on until after he left the Honda pit.....

Because he's a fudge packing pussy. Have you heard the rumours? Rossi is trying to get weight revisions. As in...rider vs bike weights! What a fag. "It's not fair that someone like Pedrosa is only 45kg's" Well...the way I see it is the lil 45kg MoFo has to try way harder to make that nasty GP bike do what he wants it to do, compared to a tough cunt like Spies. Swings and roundabouts.

Rossi = Whaaaaaaaa.

[SPman]

Rossi was on a charge, though.......and his lap times coming back up through the pack were quicker than the guys in front.......Stoner was justified to be pissed off with the marshalls though - apparently it takes a minimum of 2 to push start a Honda.......

[wharfy]

Rossi was on a charge, though.......and his lap times coming back up through the pack were quicker than the guys in front.......Stoner was justified to be pissed off with the marshalls though - apparently it takes a minimum of 2 to push start a Honda.......

There should be some rule about outside assistance - If you can't get it going yourself - park it.

[denill]

Rossi said he didn't even mean to try and pass but got in too hot and couldn't go wide.

Yeah, I read that. A good spin on what clearly was a serious case of 'Red Mist' that a Rooke would've been proud of............... :yes: :yes:

[denill]

There should be some rule about outside assistance - If you can't get it going yourself - park it.

Agree! :yes: :yes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rossi was on a charge, though.......and his lap times coming back up through the pack were quicker than the guys in front.......Stoner was justified to be pissed off with the marshalls though - apparently it takes a minimum of 2 to push start a Honda.......

Rossi was going awesomely well. The rain is a great leveler of machinery and set up.

My only issue is...Stoner didn't deserve what happened to him when Rossi took him out, and then when the marshalls helped Rossi instead of himself...? I think it showed the level of desperation Rossi is at.

He's riding a bike Stoner won on (more often than Rossi in the 800cc era), and he's not able to get close to the top three on it. I think Stoner should be genuinely flattered by that Fags moves. It shows how massively he rates him as the MAN to beat.

Stoners stocks are going up...Rossi's down.

[denill]

Stoner does himself no favors though, instead of dissing Rossi's apology as "just for the camera" (which it may well have been) he could have just said " Yeah, Na, all good mate just get that front end sorted before trying that one again eh"

Really?? Rossi got off bloody light...................

[SPman]

My only issue is...Stoner didn't deserve what happened to him when Rossi took him out, and then when the marshalls helped Rossi instead of himself...? I totally agree.
It would have been great to see how Stoner handled Lorenzo and Dani and Rossi handled them.....instead of turning into a race of..."who's gonna fall off next". George was riding really well for the conditions and it would have been good to see how Casey handled it.
Oh well - such is racing.......

[orangeback]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy-ntSkuQA0&feature=related
if you want to see it

[Wingnut]

Rossi's apology attempt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEk2r9sPE6E

Sorry if someone else has posted the link but I didn't see it...

[puddytat]

You got to pity the Homophobes:facepalm:

[Damien_Toman]

I follow Gardner on Twitter. His comments are well considered and I must say I'm with him on this.

http://www.waynegardnerapproved.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=200%3Awaynes-weekly-49&catid=62%3Awaynes-weekly&Itemid=514


Damien

[Brian d marge]

I follow Gardner on Twitter. His comments are well considered and I must say I'm with him on this.

http://www.waynegardnerapproved.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=200%3Awaynes-weekly-49&catid=62%3Awaynes-weekly&Itemid=514


Damien

Agreed except for one thing , if you Google Rossi and stoner ,,,, they have had a long standing affair(s)

Cant remember has Stoner been world champion ?? Rossi what 9 times ??? I don't think rossi needs to prove his talent to anyone ( except me on My Bantam , he would have no chance there , but he doesn't answer his emails , the poof )

Stephen

[DidJit]

I follow Gardner on Twitter. His comments are well considered and I must say I'm with him on this.

http://www.waynegardnerapproved.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=200%3Awaynes-weekly-49&catid=62%3Awaynes-weekly&Itemid=514


Damien

+1.

David Emmett's column (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/04/03/2011_jerez_motogp_race_day_round_up_the_.html) also adds some balance.

[NZsarge]

First of all...show me Rossi getting taken out by a muppet move.

Light years faster than Stoner? Hardly. He simply made a muppet move that cost Stoner points.

Build a bridge? I don't need to mate. I won $200.00 at the tab for backing Lorenzo. Quite happy with the outcome of the race actually.

Last...but not least...if you're proud of that fudge packer Rossi for his display of 'sportsmanship', and you think it was fair...I pity you. Best thing is...Stoner is gonna give ya boyfriend a fair fucking hiding this year. Despite being taken out by a novice move by him.
Wow, nice bite man. Do try to chill out and stop accusing everyone who is a fan of Rossi's of being gay, you are starting become offensive and that's not on when it's just banter. I assume you have some proof of Rossi's homosexuality, if not give it a rest coz that's getting old too, it's not that amusing anymore.

Try reading the link from Damian below, pretty sure Mr Gardner's opinion hold more water than yours and I whole heartedly agree with his views on this incident.
Lets get this straight (no pun intended) I was not and have not condoned what Rossi did to Stoner as being ok, quite the opposite. It was dumb and poor judgement by someone of his experience but like it or not mistakes happen, it's the nature of human beings.
And by the way congratulations on your winnings.

I follow Gardner on Twitter. His comments are well considered and I must say I'm with him on this.

http://www.waynegardnerapproved.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=200%3Awaynes-weekly-49&catid=62%3Awaynes-weekly&Itemid=514


Damien

[roogazza]

Truly heroic piece of spin doctoring there Gazza :yes:

He "achieved" that result on a bike he could have challenged for the win on and all it took was...

Punting off pole sitter and race favourite
Spot of luck with bike still in running order
35 helpfull marshals to get him going who then proceed to drag Stoner off the track
43 other riders to fall off

Truly magisterial performance. :facepalm:

Yes, I believe he could have won that one.
Very funny reading all the comments. It was a racing incident, the rest is gabble.
eg. Rossi left his helmet on pfft, did you see the size of that little 'ELF' errrr, whats his name ? Roll on Estoril.

[carbonhed]

Yes, I believe he could have won that one.
Very funny reading all the comments. It was a racing incident, the rest is gabble.
eg. Rossi left his helmet on pfft, did you see the size of that little 'ELF' errrr, whats his name ? Roll on Estoril.

Maybe Casey needs a bit of that demented Aussie fire exhibited by the wildcard in the Phillip Island Moto 2 race last year? Didn't have to sprint the length of the gravel trap to lay hands on the miscreant either... one step to the left and an almighty boot up the arse :laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Try reading the link from Damian below, pretty sure Mr Gardner's opinion hold more water than yours and I whole heatedly agree with his views on this incident.
Lets get this straight (no pun intended) I was not and have not condoned what Rossi did to Stoner as being ok, quite the opposite. It was dumb and poor judgement by someone of his experience but like it or not mistakes happen, it's the nature of human beings.
And by the way congratulations on your winnings.

I've read that. And it's funny. As if Gardner was known for his calm calculated responses when he was racing! These are young guys, with a lot to loose. You can hardly expect them to say the perfect thing in the heat of the moment.

Thanks...that's two from two. But I'm not so sure I'll go for three.

[Reckless]

Who knows what was in Rossi's head! He was goin really well at that point!

I certainly know from all the karting I've done it's not that hard in a new chassis to make a move that would have come off in the old one!! And then you end up on the side of the track thinking fuck I did that heaps of times last year????

Secondly given the way he went the rest of the race I would be thinking he's still kicking himself for a race he may have won or been on the podium! Who knows he could have just thrown away another championship for himself!

Still the person who deserves to be the most pissed off is Stoner that's for sure! I still feel sorry for the little git!!

Hate to say it but the guy who went fastest, with the most brains and skill won the race! Can't have been easy on what tyres he had left at the end they where absolutely shagged!!

We wanted action and we certainly got it that would have been one of the most action packed races I've seen in any form of motorsport!! Bring it on!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Still the person who deserves to be the most pissed off is Stoner that's for sure! I still feel sorry for the little git!!



It'd be a real shame if the points Stoner may've got this round cost him the championship. I think the speed he's shown so far will take him to it without too many more fuckups.

[Reckless]

It'd be a real shame if the points Stoner may've got this round cost him the championship. I think the speed he's shown so far will take him to it without too many more fuckups.

Yeh mate especially when fate really went against him with so many falling on their arse bloody Rossi got all the way back up the ranks again! Makes the whole thing seem even more extreme LOL!!

Very interesting reading that article above with the pins in the clutch on the Honda and it being hard to bump start! Makes it real hard for you to get re-started and rejoin if you make a cock up at any race, anytime! If you set a bike up like that you gotta take the consequences of it even if the events that got you there aren't your fault?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Very interesting reading that article above with the pins in the clutch on the Honda and it being hard to bump start! Makes it real hard for you to get re-started and rejoin if you make a cock up at any race, anytime! If you set a bike up like that you gotta take the consequences of it even if the events that got you there aren't your fault?

Everything is a compromise of some sort. The thing being...Lorenzo has that #1 plate for a very good reason. Think it'll be him and Stoner going at it all season. So it'll take Stoner a while to get the lost points back if Lorenzo is as consistent as he was last year. But...as they say...that's racing.

[imdying]

I guess it's hard when you're sliding from GOAT towards has been in such a rapid fashion.

I can totally understand why he was taking big risks... he's 'injured' (ah huh), he's desperate to taste victory again, his bike is a piece of shite, he mocked other riders for not being able to ride said bike hard, it was wet which is a great equaliser for the aforementioned problems, and Lorenzo messed up his head last year.

Dry race next time, normal service will resume (i.e. Rossi will be too far behind those that matter to mess their shit up).

[imdying]

Two of the riders I saw tried to pick the bike up and failed on their first attempts. Do they not train them on how to rejoin a race? Seems like an obvious piece of muscle memory for a pro to be building up.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Two of the riders I saw tried to pick the bike up and failed on their first attempts. Do they not train them on how to rejoin a race? Seems like an obvious piece of muscle memory for a pro to be building up.

It's funny eh! They (Moto GP bikes) are only 153kgs? Yet a lot of the riders seem to struggle to pick 'em up! They're fit tough wee fellas...so I don't know what the issue is. Sheeesh...I had to pick up 240kgs of 883 on a semi regular basis...and I never had trouble with it.

[imdying]

I don't know what the issue isIt looks like a lack of technique to me. Seems like an odd hole to have in your arsenal, given how often the bikes have a wee lie down during a race.

[Crasherfromwayback]

It looks like a lack of technique to me. Seems like an odd hole to have in your arsenal, given how often the bikes have a wee lie down during a race.

Yeah it's weird. Not like they all haven't had plenty of practice!

[codgyoleracer]

How funny is it that Stoner is still being affected by the Duc's front end problems!!!! :

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Shame that happend though - but good to see that riders even at the top level will still sometimes decide to try something that they aint sure there gonna get away with......

[blueblade]

Came across this image today. Laguna Seca 2008. Seems Rossi will do anything to get past Stoner !!

[Brian d marge]

Came across this image today. Laguna Seca 2008. Seems Rossi will do anything to get past Stoner !!

thats what I said earlier, I just Googled Rossi and stoner ..and well yes they have History

If stoner starts bowling underarm , I know nowt has changed across the ditch

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

The save of the century

Mika kallio, Moto2 ....... Legendary

Stephen

[Brett]

Shit that was a good race to watch!

I think the move Rossi put on Stoner was a bit rough, and in this *instance* his ambition clearly outshone his ability on the bike.
However, I think that some credit has to be given to the guy in that the Ducati is known to have a shit house front end and it is a bit unusual for Rossi to fail in that sort of style. Like him or hate him, the guy has shown a brilliant ability to ride in the past. Last season and start of this one has been a hurdle for him though.

I think in general that his ambition does not go beyond his ability, when it comes to machine development Rossi is as good as it gets, if he can work with the engineers to get that front end stable, then he is going to be giving Stoner, Pedrosa and Lorenzo the competition that we came to expect from Rossi.
Stoner has been amazingly fast of late, that riding at Qatar was superb.
Simoncelli...where did that come from fella? next time keep in on the track, would have loved to see him on the podium.
Still backing Rossi, I hope he can pull it back together for just one more season. He will need to start thinking about retirement soon enough.

[Brian d marge]

I think is deeper than the front end of the ducati

from what I understand the Bridgestones need heat quickly and shed heat quickly

So you need to be front and centre from the get go, ( see elias )

They need to be treated rough, ( see raising the engine , but didnt Suzuki who were onto the bridgestones last year move the engine up and back??? )

Now the ducati has a carbon fibre chassis, which isnt easy to change. so mid corner chassis flex is not going to be easy to pin point

Or is the electronics , the problem. ( Italian electrics?? ) not allowing the bike to pitch and load the front ?

Be lovely to know ( I wonder if its worth sending a tweet to @spalders .....


My guess is chassis , as they seem to be under-steering and tucking in , mid corner

Stephen

[Brett]

I think is deeper than the front end of the ducati

from what I understand the Bridgestones need heat quickly and shed heat quickly

So you need to be front and centre from the get go, ( see elias )

They need to be treated rough, ( see raising the engine , but didnt Suzuki who were onto the bridgestones last year move the engine up and back??? )

Now the ducati has a carbon fibre chassis, which isnt easy to change. so mid corner chassis flex is not going to be easy to pin point

Or is the electronics , the problem. ( Italian electrics?? ) not allowing the bike to pitch and load the front ?

Be lovely to know ( I wonder if its worth sending a tweet to @spalders .....


My guess is chassis , as they seem to be under-steering and tucking in , mid corner

Stephen

Agreed, could be any of the aforementioned items... Hope they do sort it though. Nicky Hayden seemed to do perfectly well on it at Jerez interestingly....

[pritch]

I have never see an incident/meeting stir up the various boards in the manner this one has. Doesn't seem to matter what nationality the various fans are, it does seem a lot of them watch TV with one eye firmly closed. Being away from home I won't get to see the races until Friday but the shit storm on the 'Net has certainly been keeping me entertained meantime.

Rossi was quoted during testing as saying the main problem was getting the bike to turn. I saw a recent Burgess quote during which he said words to the effect, "There's a lot of different bits of metal whizzing around."

Hayden has said that if Rossi doesn't start winning on the Duc the Italian fans will burn the factory.

So taking all that into account, how long before Ducati can produce a bike with the engine running backwards like the M1?

Can any engineers here indicate how long such a redesign would take to produce? As in, given the motivation and the resources, could it be done by Estoril (1 May)? I assume an additional shaft would required between the engine and the gearbox which would presumably necessitate new cases but any subtleties would elude me.

[DidJit]

... I saw a recent Burgess quote during which he said words to the effect, "There's a lot of different bits of metal whizzing around." ...
So taking all that into account, how long before Ducati can produce a bike with the engine running backwards like the M1? ... I assume an additional shaft would required between the engine and the gearbox which would presumably necessitate new cases but any subtleties would elude me.

I saw that quote too.


The radical overhaul of the GP11, which will be one of the most sweeping changes since Ducati entered MotoGP in 2003, will be the design of a new Desmosedici motor.

MCN understands the motor will undergo several internal changes and will feature a heavier crankshaft to help Rossi bridge the huge gulf in performance to rivals Honda.

Rossi’s biggest complaint about the Ducati is an understeer issue that can’t be cured just by set-up modifications.

But Rossi’s Aussie crew chief Jerry Burgess reckons Rossi’s problem doesn’t automatically necessitate major changes to the Ducati carbon fibre chassis.

Speaking to MCN, Burgess said: “You could think the changes might be with the frame, but it could easily be an engine response problem. The basic hardware in the engine, there are lots of things that fly around and they all contribute a lot.

“And some of those parts are far more important than a lot of people think, so we’ll be looking at changing some of that so that we better understand the problem for the future.

“All engines have their character and all are different. I imagine we will always have a 90-degree V-engine at Ducati. That is part of the Ducati way but I don’t see that is a problem.

“We have to work on getting the power to the ground earlier and with more control. So we need a general re-tuning, a small redesign of the engine might help along with a couple of other things.”

The Estoril test takes place on May 2, meaning Ducati engineers in Bologna are facing a race against time to have such major changes implemented.

Another race against time is to get Rossi’s damaged right shoulder to full strength and Burgess added: “These projects need to be rolling quite early and the idea is to build the bike into a winning bike and it will be better when he is at full fitness.

“We know where we have come from in the past couple of years and we know where we are at now. Honda has made a leap forward so we really need to be in a position that if we go into a major re-design we can go two or three steps in one hit. This might not be a quick fix.

“We’re here for the long haul and we want to be ready to go racing next year and beyond. If we comeback towards the end of the year languishing in third, fourth or fifth but start to hammer home some advantage with wins, that will be pleasing enough in itself. If we don’t then we haven’t done enough work.”

Source. (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2011/March/mar3111-ducati-to-revamp-gp11-for-rossi/) Interesting stuff! :niceone:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I saw that quote too.




I find it odd that they say "The gulf between the Ducati and the Honda" when at Qatar the Ducati was the fastest down the front chute. And IMO they were talking about engine pereformance at that time.

[LBD]

Obviously FIM think something needs to be investigated...

"The FIM will review how the Rossi-Stoner collision in Jerez was handled. Following the collision between Rossi and Stoner during the MotoGP race of the Spanish Grand Prix on 3 April in Jerez, the Race Direction has decided to organize a hearing with the Clerk of the Course and the Chief Marshal in order to review the incident and to hear the explanation of the officials in charge. Due to the fact that the final decision of the Race Direction will not affect the result of the race, the hearing will be organized on Thursday 28 April in Estoril, Portugal."

[Maido]

Obviously FIM think something needs to be investigated...

"The FIM will review how the Rossi-Stoner collision in Jerez was handled. Following the collision between Rossi and Stoner during the MotoGP race of the Spanish Grand Prix on 3 April in Jerez, the Race Direction has decided to organize a hearing with the Clerk of the Course and the Chief Marshal in order to review the incident and to hear the explanation of the officials in charge. Due to the fact that the final decision of the Race Direction will not affect the result of the race, the hearing will be organized on Thursday 28 April in Estoril, Portugal."

I don't think the incedent itself is the cause of this, it looked like rossi got the line and then tucked the front, there was plenty of room there. I think it was the fact that all the marshalls helped push start Rossi, and then left Stoner high and dry on the track. Apparently the Honda clutch setup needs at least 2 people to push start it (not one skinny Ocker).

[LBD]

I don't think the incedent itself is the cause of this, it looked like rossi got the line and then tucked the front, there was plenty of room there. I think it was the fact that all the marshalls helped push start Rossi, and then left Stoner high and dry on the track. Apparently the Honda clutch setup needs at least 2 people to push start it (not one skinny Ocker).

Thats what it will be.... "to hear the explanation of the officials in charge"....otherwise they will be asking the riders to explain

[Benk]

rossi got the line and then tucked the front, there was plenty of room there

Haha, tongue in cheek I sincerely hope.

[pritch]

Obviously FIM think something needs to be investigated...


Yes. The marshalls.

There is Spanish(?) spectator video on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYNe6VzhNo0
which shows about half the marshalls went to assist Stoner but didn't stay long. Maybe they decided an uphill push on, or close to, the racing line wasn't for them?

[Reckless]

Yes. The marshalls.

There is Spanish(?) spectator video on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYNe6VzhNo0
which shows about half the marshalls went to assist Stoner but didn't stay long. Maybe they decided an uphill push on, or close to, the racing line wasn't for them?

Tell ya one thing though they're bloody brave rushin out there in a mob not many forms of motor sport would even allow it!! Imagine if it had been oil bought them down and the marshals all got cleaned out by the next bike!
Looks like the Duke never stalled and they all gave up when they had to cross the track pushin Stoner and went back to they're stations! In they're defence I doubt many are trained in how to bump start a motoGP bike!

Poor bloody Stoner wants to prove himself sooo BAD again after battling with the Duke last year and the fact they wouldn't change it!

Just had a really shit round 2 whichever way you look at it!

Oh Btw thank pritch when watchin it in u tube spotted this link Race highlights! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSzQ2DHzGaM&feature=related 2min17s of whooohooo!!!
You can skip that embarrassing Air NZ add after 3 secs!

[merv]

Looking at that video I think Casey exaggerated a bit, it looks like they tried quite hard to get him going and didn't abandon him in favour of Rossi. Rossi got going OK because his bike was still running. So this tells me they are allowed to have engines that don't die when they tip over - I'm surprised the safety nazis don't insist on auto-kill systems when they are decked.

[Brian d marge]

Ok work with me on this one

Reading the comments from JB and rossi and others

There are only a few bits that matter , Clutch , crankshaft and flywheels making the flywheel heavier and the clutch lighter will load the front tyre

Possibly its quicker and cheaper to produce than the chassis ( not sure about carbon fibre is stiff thats for sure; in one direction) Also it would spin up as quickly , without robbing power , could cure a snatchy engine that may be difficult to control mid corner ( just a guess )

Understeer or " pushing the front" or slip angle , ( at high speeds ) is a function of the tyre friction characteristics, and from the top of me head is also difficult to change direction. ( all of which Jb/rossi/stoner have said ) So if the bike is understeering and the front tucking in then the tyre ain't working

Too hot or cold

Stoner and De puni ride it like they stole it , Rossi likes it to work. How they are going to get that tyre to work is another story,

Me ...bin the CF frame . run and ali frame till I get the handling right , then build a cf frame with the same characteristics ,

and on saying that, the goal posts will move again when they ( i think ) go back to 1000cc

Stephen

Stephen

[Crasherfromwayback]

Stoner and De puni ride it like they stole it , Rossi likes it to work. How they are going to get that tyre to work is another story,

Me ...bin the CF frame . run and ali frame till I get the handling right , then build a cf frame with the same characteristics ,



I've read Stoner saying he had to ride it like that every single lap to keep the heat in the tyre...otherwise it'd simply go cold and not work. Always wondered why when he had a 3 sec lead he'd just keep going mental...then sometimes bin it!

If you saw Rossi's crash in Qualifying...it was a typical Stoner crash. Mid corner, doing nothing different from the previous lap...then down in a heap. I'm wondering if the CF frame simply offers no feel whatsoever? Maybe a difference in molecular structure between alloy and CF makes all the diff?

[jasonu]

A better event than the last race IMO. Maybe they should order rain for all GP's...

[Shaun]

Any one that has made a negative comment about Rossi;s attempt pass on Stoner in this race, is a soft cock!!!!

The attempt pass was 100% fine, in fact he completed it, Stoner hit his rear when Rossi fell, if Rossi had take stoner out going past him, I would agree with the wingers on here

YES, I only saw the race today

[Crasherfromwayback]

Any one that has made a negative comment about Rossi;s attempt pass on Stoner in this race, is a soft cock!!!!

The attempt pass was 100% fine, in fact he completed it, Stoner hit his rear when Rossi fell, if Rossi had take stoner out going past him, I would agree with the wingers on here



Make up your mind!

[Shaun]

Make up your mind!



which one of them mt

[BMWST?]

Stoner hit his rear when Rossi fell,


Stoner did not hit Rossi,Rossi hit Stoner,there is a sublte but critical difference.

[Brian d marge]

I've read Stoner saying he had to ride it like that every single lap to keep the heat in the tyre...otherwise it'd simply go cold and not work. Always wondered why when he had a 3 sec lead he'd just keep going mental...then sometimes bin it!

If you saw Rossi's crash in Qualifying...it was a typical Stoner crash. Mid corner, doing nothing different from the previous lap...then down in a heap. I'm wondering if the CF frame simply offers no feel whatsoever? Maybe a difference in molecular structure between alloy and CF makes all the diff?

Cf is stiffest in one direction only and you lay the fibres in a different direction to get it to flex ( less stiff)
now at what ANGLE those fibres are at is, what maybe the cause of the problem, and as mid corner flex is a seat of the pants thing ( confidence or not confident ) then trial and error comes into it ... not so easy to change I would have thought

Stephen

now heres a rear Id like to ........

[eelracing]

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[codgyoleracer]

Any one that has made a negative comment about Rossi;s attempt pass on Stoner in this race, is a soft cock!!!!

The attempt pass was 100% fine, in fact he completed it, Stoner hit his rear when Rossi fell, if Rossi had take stoner out going past him, I would agree with the wingers on here

YES, I only saw the race today

Maybe machine eletronics has advanced sufficently to allow all race bikes to now run proximity sensors, where no other machine is allowed to be within 1 meter of another in any direction. Seems to work well in Formula 1 car racing.........

Could the PC types and Green party supporters please vote here :spanking:

[Brian d marge]

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hahahahahaaha very good well done , i liked that
Stephen

[puddytat]

Maybe machine eletronics has advanced sufficently to allow all race bikes to now run proximity sensors, where no other machine is allowed to be within 1 meter of another in any direction. Seems to work well in Formula 1 car racing.........

Could the PC types and Green party supporters please vote here :spanking:

As a Green Party supporter I think its a fucking stupid idea.
Must of been a redneck who came up with it......:yes:

[Shaun]

Maybe machine eletronics has advanced sufficently to allow all race bikes to now run proximity sensors, where no other machine is allowed to be within 1 meter of another in any direction. Seems to work well in Formula 1 car racing.........

Could the PC types and Green party supporters please vote here :spanking:



Well I'm as PC as any one can be mate, but fuck the green party, all they have helped do is turn New Zealanders into soft cocks



Can I reserve my VOTE untill I see every one elses so I will fit in with them PLEASE SIR so as not to rock the softies boat

[brads]

Well I'm as PC as any one can be mate, but fuck the green party, all they have helped do is turn New Zealanders into soft cocks



Can I reserve my VOTE untill I see every one elses so I will fit in with them PLEASE SIR so as not to rock the softies boat

Bugger that...it was Rossi's fault....100%

[scracha]

I'm sorry, after Rossi's public apology, did Stoner really say to him "your ambition outweighed your talent"

DICK

[Crasherfromwayback]

did Stoner really say to him "your ambition outweighed your talent"

DICK

I think in that particular incident Stoner was 100% correct. Rossi's desire to get past Stoner there and then well outweighed what he was capable of on the Ducati just yet. If I'm wrong...Rossi wouldn't have taken Stoner out there and then would he?

DICK.

[rachprice]

I'm sorry, after Rossi's public apology, did Stoner really say to him "your ambition outweighed your talent"

DICK

Yeah He has every right to be pissed

And while Rossi is the man in this case his ambition did outweigh his ability. He wanted to rub it in stoners face (and if I was Rossi I prob would have wanted to as well) but he came in too hot, in the wet, on a bike that is known for tucking the front!


Besides rossi has been in the game way too long, and why is the most popular kid in gp? Cos he knows how to work the media! He knew everyone would be watching and the cameras would follow, he also knew stoner would just say what he feels (not well known for holding back or being polite about things) I think given their history anyone who thinks Rossi was totally genuine in that apology is very naive

[Brian d marge]

Yeah He has every right to be pissed

And while Rossi is the man in this case his ambition did outweigh his ability. He wanted to rub it in stoners face (and if I was Rossi I prob would have wanted to as well) but he came in too hot, in the wet, on a bike that is known for tucking the front!


Besides rossi has been in the game way too long, and why is the most popular kid in gp? Cos he knows how to work the media! He knew everyone would be watching and the cameras would follow, he also knew stoner would just say what he feels (not well known for holding back or being polite about things) I think given their history anyone who thinks Rossi was totally genuine in that apology is very naive

yup I suspect that as well , he is very good at working the media. Rossis Job is to be first , ( as is stoner's ) and sometimes it goes pear shaped

Thats life... move on

Lorenzo's tanti was a good un , the toys were coming out of the cot , after practice .....

Stephen

[eelracing]

I think in that particular incident Stoner was 100% correct.


Yeah He has every right to be pissed!

Will you guys just let it go...sounds to me like the both of you need to get out and thrash the bejeezus out of an old two stroke.Check out this vid from the 4th round VMX last month (would be your class to Pete)how quickly any pass can get pear shaped...Rossi would of saved it.

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[Crasherfromwayback]

.Check out this vid from the 4th round VMX last month (would be your class to Pete)how quickly any pass can get pear shaped...Rossi would of saved it.



Ouch! Thanks for the clip. Glad to see the geezer was (semi) ok! I was gonna check out the last round this weekend mate...but it's on a fucking Saturday!!

[rachprice]

Will you guys just let it go...sounds to me like the both of you need to get out and thrash the bejeezus out of an old two stroke.Check out this vid from the 4th round VMX last month (would be your class to Pete)how quickly any pass can get pear shaped...Rossi would of saved it.

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Na you would totally still be going if roles were reversed, besides it's fun winding up all the Rossi lovers

[Reckless]

Will you guys just let it go..

Jeepers didn't the other riders do well to miss him!! Thrown out into the middle of the track, right on front of the pack directly after a jump! :shit:

[merv]

Lol was a pretty dumb line that VMXer took over that jump to land where he did - I'm presuming he'd had a few practice laps before this race :facepalm:

[scracha]

I think in that particular incident Stoner was 100% correct. Rossi's desire to get past Stoner there and then well outweighed what he was capable of on the Ducati just yet. If I'm wrong...Rossi wouldn't have taken Stoner out there and then would he?

DICK.



Blah blah blah. My actual point is the way he worded it....like he was all superior or something. Fuck, he'd have had more credibility saying "you Sir, are a bounder and a cad". I have became an instant Stoner fan if he'd ripped off Rossi's helmet and kicked the AIDS out of him.

DICK

[Crasherfromwayback]

Blah blah blah.
DICK

Who's this Richard guy that keeps popping up? Lets all just look forward to the next round for some fireworks!

[Badjelly]

Besides rossi has been in the game way too long, and why is the most popular kid in gp? Cos he knows how to work the media! He knew everyone would be watching and the cameras would follow, he also knew stoner would just say what he feels (not well known for holding back or being polite about things) I think given their history anyone who thinks Rossi was totally genuine in that apology is very naive

So Rossi walking over to apologise, was a carefully formulated plan to trick Casey into coming out with an insult. And he left his helmet on to make sure he wouldn't understand WTF Casey was saying. And he pretended "How's your shoulder?" was a genuine expression of concern rather than a subtle dig (subtle for an Aussie, anyway). Is there no end to the deviousness of that man? :shit:

[rachprice]

So Rossi walking over to apologise, was a carefully formulated plan to trick Casey into coming out with an insult. And he left his helmet on to make sure he wouldn't understand WTF Casey was saying. And he pretended "How's your shoulder?" was a genuine expression of concern rather than a subtle dig (subtle for an Aussie, anyway). Is there no end to the deviousness of that man? :shit:

Yeah of course, he is a smart man!!

And leaving his helmet on was in his own words, so he could 'feel more protected with the helmet.' He was scared of getting a smack!

And no Im not saying Stoner mentioning his should was genuine either,
that was also clearly a dig!
doesn't mean Rossi wasn't playing the media the way he does, and does mighty well!

[Brian d marge]

Lol was a pretty dumb line that VMXer took over that jump to land where he did - I'm presuming he'd had a few practice laps before this race :facepalm:

+1

right hand doing the thinking there

I of course would have tripled that on me Enfield

Stephen


fast buggers aint they

[denill]

+1 right hand doing the thinking there
I of course would have tripled that on me Enfield
Stephen
fast buggers aint they

Also referred to as - 'Red Mist'. :shit:
And yeah, the old buggers are pretty competitive still, aren't they?

[merv]

And yeah, the old buggers are pretty competitive still, aren't they?


You're not thinking of getting out there on an SL100 again are ya Bill?

[eelracing]

Lol was a pretty dumb line that VMXer took over that jump to land where he did - I'm presuming he'd had a few practice laps before this race :facepalm:


Also referred to as - 'Red Mist'. :shit:
And yeah, the old buggers are pretty competitive still, aren't they?

Exactly right Denill and just goes to show that 'Red Mist' can strike any racer from front runner to back marker,professional or amateur so in that respect Rossi is only human afterall.

And just to add a little perspective to this debate there is nothing new in GP rivals taking each other out eg;In 83 Spencer ran Kenny Roberts off the track to take an unassailable points lead into the last round.Spencer was taken out by Sarron in 85 at Assen in the wet in what was a crazy move up the inside.Doohan taking out Schwantz at Donington and handing Kevin's points lead to Rainey.Criville kamikaze'd Doohan out of the aussie GP in 97(consequently Mick payed a visit to criville's pit) Pedrosa skittling team mate Hayden and also handing over Nicky's points lead to Rossi.
But it does make for great racing tho eh?

[Crasherfromwayback]

But it does make for great racing tho eh?

Sure does. Spices it up nicely. And I'm proud that I can honestly say that in all my years of on again off again racing...I've NEVER skittled anyone.

[codgyoleracer]

Sure does. Spices it up nicely. And I'm proud that I can honestly say that in all my years of on again off again racing...I've NEVER skittled anyone.

Are you insuating that you actually passed someone Peter ? :-) ........

Whats up with working on Saturdays ?, - man i'me glad i got out of that one.

[eelracing]

Sure does. Spices it up nicely. And I'm proud that I can honestly say that in all my years of on again off again racing...I've NEVER skittled anyone.

Well get that RM out brother...I will show you where to crash:woohoo:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Are you insuating that you actually passed someone Peter ? :-) ........

Whats up with working on Saturdays ?, - man i'me glad i got out of that one.

A few here and there!

Aye...been doing it for 24 odd years now...and yes I'm over it. Best earning day for me though unfortunately...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well get that RM out brother...I will show you where to crash:woohoo:

Didn't say I don't know where to crash mate!!! Just tend to do it all on my loansome...

[codgyoleracer]

A few here and there!

Aye...been doing it for 24 odd years now...and yes I'm over it. Best earning day for me though unfortunately...

Ah well $$ keep the boss (at home ) happy.....

So how many seconds is my skinny, ugly Italian guy gonna beat your wobbly lower lip guy by next up .....
(God i hope JB has found something..........:shutup:)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ah well $$ keep the boss (at home ) happy.....

So how many seconds is my skinny, ugly Italian guy gonna beat your wobbly lower lip guy by next up .....
(God i hope JB has found something..........:shutup:)

I reckon Stoner will beat Rossi by at least as many seconds as he did in Qatar. Around 16 odd I believe?

Tell ya what...I see Austin Texas has scored a round from 2013 on. Might have to get my ass over for that. Everthing is bigger in Texas.

[cowpoos]

Everthing is bigger in Texas.

Even White Trash?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Even White Trash?

Revvin Kevin is White trash...so yeah...I guess!

[codgyoleracer]

I reckon Stoner will beat Rossi by at least as many seconds as he did in Qatar. Around 16 odd I believe?

Tell ya what...I see Austin Texas has scored a round from 2013 on. Might have to get my ass over for that. Everthing is bigger in Texas.

If you do go, then visit one of their many gun ranges. You can pay to shoot just about any weapon youve ever seen in a movie, even Schwartzenagers stuff.:shit:

[Crasherfromwayback]

If you do go, then visit one of their many gun ranges. You can pay to shoot just about any weapon youve ever seen in a movie, even Schwartzenagers stuff.:shit:

Without doubt! I've done a fair bit of skeet shooting, but would love to have a blast on some really big weapons!

[pritch]

Statement from Race Direction

After reviewing various videos of the incident between Valentino Rossi and Casey Stoner during the race of the Grand Prix of Spain on 3 April 2011 and hearing the explanation from Juan Alvarez, Director of the Circuito de Jerez, the Race Direction has decided that the behaviour of the track marshals was safe and appropriate.

The Race Direction recommends the current rules be reviewed by the Grand Prix Commission in order to study possible solutions that may results in better procedures.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Statement from Race Direction

After reviewing various videos of the incident between Valentino Rossi and Casey Stoner during the race of the Grand Prix of Spain on 3 April 2011 and hearing the explanation from Juan Alvarez, Director of the Circuito de Jerez, the Race Direction has decided that the behaviour of the track marshals was safe and appropriate.

The Race Direction recommends the current rules be reviewed by the Grand Prix Commission in order to study possible solutions that may results in better procedures.

Would've been fucking silly if they'd done anything about that!

[pritch]

Would've been fucking silly if they'd done anything about that!

Especially considering the guys aren't paid, all they get is a free lunch.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Especially considering the guys aren't paid, all they get is a free lunch.

That, and it's just how it is with racing sometimes eh!