You can leave whenever you like

[scracha]

Whenever I make the slightest comment about improving my lot on this little island, some knuckle dragging (usually of the dole bludging variety) fuckwit tells me to fuck off back to my own country. So a couple of questions for some of the smarter kiwibikers out there.

1) Can the MoJ stop someone travelling on a non Kiwi passport leaving enzed if they have outstanding fines?

2) Even for Kiwi's, doesn't this violate the NZ Bill of Rights (freedom of movement, :"everyone has the right to leave New Zealand" or summit like that).

3) Surely it would make more sense not to let peeps with outstanding fines/convictions BACK into the country :innocent:

[oneofsix]

Whenever I make the slightest comment about improving my lot on this little island, some knuckle dragging (usually of the dole bludging variety) fuckwit tells me to fuck off back to my own country. So a couple of questions for some of the smarter kiwibikers out there.

1) Can the MoJ stop someone travelling on a non Kiwi passport leaving enzed if they have outstanding fines?

2) Even for Kiwi's, doesn't this violate the NZ Bill of Rights (freedom of movement, :"everyone has the right to leave New Zealand" or summit like that).

3) Surely it would make more sense not to let peeps with outstanding fines/convictions BACK into the country :innocent:

Noooooo. We want your money :yes: Pay up and you can leave. Of course they can stop you leaving if you owe money because to owe money in fines you must have done wrong and either admitted to it or been found guilty of it. Will they stop you leaving, now that is another story, I would hope so and if you make it out of this money trap you should be allowed back in and then kept in this debtors prison until you pay up. For Fuck sake do you want me to pay more taxes to make up for your miserable miserly hide. :sunny:

[pzkpfw]

2) Even for Kiwi's, doesn't this violate the NZ Bill of Rights (freedom of movement, :"everyone has the right to leave New Zealand" or summit like that).

Do crims in jail have "right of free movement" to leave that jail?

[The Everlasting]

You have to pay up before you can leave,if you don't owe much,shouldn't be hard....

[boostin]

lling on a non Kiwi passport leaving enzed if they have outstanding fines?

2) Even for Kiwi's, doesn't this violate the NZ Bill of Rights (freedom of movement, :"everyone has the right to leave New Zealand" or summit like that).


5 Justified limitations
Subject to section 4 of this Bill of Rights, the rights and freedoms contained in this Bill of Rights may be subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

[oneofsix]

You have to pay up before you can leave,if you don't owe much,shouldn't be hard....

and if you do owe too much go on a benefit, even benefit fraudsters can get the benefit to help them pay back the benefits they fraudulently obtained (I'm getting dizzy) http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/4834701/Big-benefit-fraudsters-back-on-dole :sick:

[oldrider]

Do crims in jail have "right of free movement" to leave that jail?

Why would they do that, they have every thing they need (and don't need) laid on for them, right where they are! :sick:

And we pay for it! They (crims) have more freedom than we do! :facepalm:

[CookMySock]

This isn't the middle east, this is NZ. You can travel as you please.

There is a fast-growing group of people who have decided they are emphatically not a child or an asset of the state, and will do as they please within the bounds of the Common Law. That is, you cannot murder/steal/rape or otherwise injure, or decline to complete any transaction you agreed to in writing, but you may safely ignore some arbitrary rule that was constructed for someone elses' financial gain and your financial loss.

If you have a valid contract of carriage (airline ticket) from some airline, I would be attempting to simply walk onto that plane and leave with it. I wouldn't be inclined to discuss anything with any agency at the airport on the way to boarding the aircraft. Said valid contract binds the airline company to carrying you, and at boarding time they have no say in the matter.

In the end, the powers that be can be pretty persuasive so I'd be making damn sure there was no breach of the peace on the day, or they will bag you.

There's a lot of work to do exploring this area, and I wish I was in a position to be leading it, or at least trying it.

[onearmedbandit]

If you have a valid contract of carriage (airline ticket) from some airline, I would be attempting to simply walk onto that plane and leave with it. I wouldn't be inclined to discuss anything with any agency at the airport on the way to boarding the aircraft. Said valid contract binds the airline company to carrying you, and at boarding time they have no say in the matter.



Really? So you'll just bust on past customs, security, armed police, make your way on to the plane, and when the tower refuses to let the plane taxi onto the runway you'll what, kick the pilot out of his seat and take control. Yippe-kay-yah muthafucker. I suppose if you let them know you ride a scary v-twin they'll just back off.

[Oscar]

This isn't the middle east, this is NZ. You can travel as you please.

There is a fast-growing group of people who have decided they are emphatically not a child or an asset of the state, and will do as they please within the bounds of the Common Law. That is, you cannot murder/steal/rape or otherwise injure, or decline to complete any transaction you agreed to in writing, but you may safely ignore some arbitrary rule that was constructed for someone elses' financial gain and your financial loss.

If you have a valid contract of carriage (airline ticket) from some airline, I would be attempting to simply walk onto that plane and leave with it. I wouldn't be inclined to discuss anything with any agency at the airport on the way to boarding the aircraft. Said valid contract binds the airline company to carrying you, and at boarding time they have no say in the matter.

In the end, the powers that be can be pretty persuasive so I'd be making damn sure there was no breach of the peace on the day, or they will bag you.

There's a lot of work to do exploring this area, and I wish I was in a position to be leading it, or at least trying it.

What were you smoking when you wrote this?:facepalm:

I was thinking about asking you if you'd give me some, but no one needs to be that out of it....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Really? So you'll just bust on past customs, security, armed police, make your way on to the plane, and when the tower refuses to let the plane taxi onto the runway you'll what, kick the pilot out of his seat and take control. Yippe-kay-yah muthafucker. I suppose if you let them know you ride a scary v-twin they'll just back off.


What were you smoking when you wrote this?:facepalm:

I was thinking about asking you if you'd give me some, but no one needs to be that out of it....

Man...he's one bad ass MoFo!

[Str8 Jacket]

Man...he's one bad ass MoFo!

Yep, he is definately an Ass!!!

[jonbuoy]

Whenever I make the slightest comment about improving my lot on this little island, some knuckle dragging (usually of the dole bludging variety) fuckwit tells me to fuck off back to my own country. So a couple of questions for some of the smarter kiwibikers out there.

1) Can the MoJ stop someone travelling on a non Kiwi passport leaving enzed if they have outstanding fines?

2) Even for Kiwi's, doesn't this violate the NZ Bill of Rights (freedom of movement, :"everyone has the right to leave New Zealand" or summit like that).

3) Surely it would make more sense not to let peeps with outstanding fines/convictions BACK into the country :innocent:

Might stop you if you owe the government, don´t think ASB or ANZ can stop you from defaulting on a loan or credit card :shifty:

[tigertim20]

Whenever I make the slightest comment about improving my lot on this little island, some knuckle dragging (usually of the dole bludging variety) fuckwit tells me to fuck off back to my own country. So a couple of questions for some of the smarter kiwibikers out there.

1) Can the MoJ stop someone travelling on a non Kiwi passport leaving enzed if they have outstanding fines?

2) Even for Kiwi's, doesn't this violate the NZ Bill of Rights (freedom of movement, :"everyone has the right to leave New Zealand" or summit like that).

3) Surely it would make more sense not to let peeps with outstanding fines/convictions BACK into the country :innocent:

having just ben through this myself . . .

If you have outstanding fines, you can travel freely, PROVIDED, you have an existing payment paying off the fines.

long as you have an arrangement, and are making payments, youre sweet. Just researched this myself as Im leaving the country for a trip soon.

As for the freedom of movement shit, well, there is the argument that 'why should you go jet setting around the world enjoying the frivolities of life if you cant pay your fucking bills'? - which is a fair argument IMHO

[Virago]

This isn't the middle east, this is NZ. You can travel as you please.

There is a fast-growing group of people who have decided they are emphatically not a child or an asset of the state, and will do as they please within the bounds of the Common Law. That is, you cannot murder/steal/rape or otherwise injure, or decline to complete any transaction you agreed to in writing, but you may safely ignore some arbitrary rule that was constructed for someone elses' financial gain and your financial loss.

If you have a valid contract of carriage (airline ticket) from some airline, I would be attempting to simply walk onto that plane and leave with it. I wouldn't be inclined to discuss anything with any agency at the airport on the way to boarding the aircraft. Said valid contract binds the airline company to carrying you, and at boarding time they have no say in the matter.

In the end, the powers that be can be pretty persuasive so I'd be making damn sure there was no breach of the peace on the day, or they will bag you.

There's a lot of work to do exploring this area, and I wish I was in a position to be leading it, or at least trying it.

You're an idiot. :facepalm:

[nodrog]

This isn't the middle east, this is NZ. You can travel as you please.

There is a fast-growing group of people who have decided they are emphatically not a child or an asset of the state, and will do as they please within the bounds of the Common Law. That is, you cannot murder/steal/rape or otherwise injure, or decline to complete any transaction you agreed to in writing, but you may safely ignore some arbitrary rule that was constructed for someone elses' financial gain and your financial loss.

If you have a valid contract of carriage (airline ticket) from some airline, I would be attempting to simply walk onto that plane and leave with it. I wouldn't be inclined to discuss anything with any agency at the airport on the way to boarding the aircraft. Said valid contract binds the airline company to carrying you, and at boarding time they have no say in the matter.

In the end, the powers that be can be pretty persuasive so I'd be making damn sure there was no breach of the peace on the day, or they will bag you.

There's a lot of work to do exploring this area, and I wish I was in a position to be leading it, or at least trying it.

http://thisisreallife.co.uk/resources/real-life-tsad.jpg

[Swoop]

So you'll just bust on past customs, security, armed police, make your way on to the plane, and when the tower refuses to let the plane taxi onto the runway you'll what, kick the pilot out of his seat and take control.
Well he has to, to take it international.

[Ronin]

This isn't the middle east, this is NZ. You can travel as you please.

There is a fast-growing group of people who have decided they are emphatically not a child or an asset of the state, and will do as they please within the bounds of the Common Law. That is, you cannot murder/steal/rape or otherwise injure, or decline to complete any transaction you agreed to in writing, but you may safely ignore some arbitrary rule that was constructed for someone elses' financial gain and your financial loss.

If you have a valid contract of carriage (airline ticket) from some airline, I would be attempting to simply walk onto that plane and leave with it. I wouldn't be inclined to discuss anything with any agency at the airport on the way to boarding the aircraft. Said valid contract binds the airline company to carrying you, and at boarding time they have no say in the matter.

In the end, the powers that be can be pretty persuasive so I'd be making damn sure there was no breach of the peace on the day, or they will bag you.

There's a lot of work to do exploring this area, and I wish I was in a position to be leading it, or at least trying it.

We encourage you to leave. In fact, we are having a whip around boys.

[nodrog]

We encourage you to leave. In fact, we are having a whip around boys.

I reckon we could raise hundreds, and thousands.

[onearmedbandit]

I reckon we could raise hundreds, and thousands.

That's nuts!!!

[nodrog]

That's nuts!!!chill out, have another cone.

[Swoop]

Sounds like a flakey idea to me.

[merv]

Just pay up, then leave.

[Ronin]

Right, we are up to $100 so far...

[onearmedbandit]

chill out, have another cone.

Man that's cold, really frosty boy.

[Taz]

What a http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv282/advkiwi/whippy_clown.jpg

[CookMySock]

LOL you pricks can ridicule all you like, but look around you, and you will see the govts finger in your arse every fucking day, taking your money and your privacy and making it theirs.

Think about it, and ask, no - decide, for yourselves how long you want it to continue. Eh?

Not a good picture is it? You know you hate it, so stand up to them and make sure whats yours stays yours. :yes:

[nodrog]

LOL you pricks can ridicule all you like, but look around you, and you will see the govts finger in your arse every fucking day, taking your money and your privacy and making it theirs.

Think about it, and ask, no - decide, for yourselves how long you want it to continue. Eh?

Not a good picture is it? You know you hate it, so stand up to them and make sure whats yours stays yours. :yes:

I would rather have the goverments finger in my arse, instead of an icecream mans cock in it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Not a good picture is it? You know you hate it, so stand up to them and make sure whats yours stays yours. :yes:

WTF has that got to do with not paying your fines, and thinking you can simply fly away from them at will knobjob?

[marty]

This isn't the middle east, this is NZ. You can travel as you please.

There is a fast-growing group of people who have decided they are emphatically not a child or an asset of the state, and will do as they please within the bounds of the Common Law. That is, you cannot murder/steal/rape or otherwise injure, or decline to complete any transaction you agreed to in writing, but you may safely ignore some arbitrary rule that was constructed for someone elses' financial gain and your financial loss.

If you have a valid contract of carriage (airline ticket) from some airline, I would be attempting to simply walk onto that plane and leave with it. I wouldn't be inclined to discuss anything with any agency at the airport on the way to boarding the aircraft. Said valid contract binds the airline company to carrying you, and at boarding time they have no say in the matter.

In the end, the powers that be can be pretty persuasive so I'd be making damn sure there was no breach of the peace on the day, or they will bag you.

There's a lot of work to do exploring this area, and I wish I was in a position to be leading it, or at least trying it.

so you'd be attempting to walk on, but you wouldn't want to breach the peace.

the airline is under no obligation to carry you if you do not meet certain criteria - you need to slow down and read some fine print.

[Ronin]

LOL you pricks can ridicule all you like, but look around you, and you will see the govts finger in your arse every fucking day, taking your money and your privacy and making it theirs.

Think about it, and ask, no - decide, for yourselves how long you want it to continue. Eh?

Not a good picture is it? You know you hate it, so stand up to them and make sure whats yours stays yours. :yes:

I thought you were all in favour of spreading your DNA around?

[CookMySock]

so you'd be attempting to walk on, but you wouldn't want to breach the peace.

the airline is under no obligation to carry you if you do not meet certain criteria - you need to slow down and read some fine print.You can easily walk anywhere without breaching the peace. If someone takes any action that is likely to cause a breach of the peace, then it is them and not you who is in the gun. Just take great care to not raise your voice or touch anyone or any thing, and tell them "there will be no breach of the peace."

On the contrary, if you have a binding contract with Air NZ to carry you, their <a href="http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/conditions-of-carriage-for-passengers-and-baggage">terms and conditions of carriage</a> state quite clearly when you may or may not be granted boarding rights. In addition to this, the same terms and conditions state quite clearly that there is no waiver by any person of any restrictions and consequently any rights, including yours, so they are not in any position at all to refuse you boarding rights on any basis other than a breach of their T&C or else they are in breach of contract and liable for such, as well as consequential damages. :violin:

[nodrog]

You can easily walk anywhere without breaching the peace. If someone takes any action that is likely to cause a breach of the peace, then it is them and not you who is in the gun. Just take great care to not raise your voice or touch anyone or any thing, and tell them "there will be no breach of the peace."

On the contrary, if you have a binding contract with Air NZ to carry you, their <a href="http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/conditions-of-carriage-for-passengers-and-baggage">terms and conditions of carriage</a> state quite clearly when you may or may not be granted boarding rights. In addition to this, the same terms and conditions state quite clearly that there is no waiver by any person of any restrictions and consequently any rights, including yours, so they are not in any position at all to refuse you boarding rights on any basis other than a breach of their T&C or else they are in breach of contract and liable for such, as well as consequential damages. :violin:

you should really sue that doctor that dropped you on your head at birth.

[Crasherfromwayback]

you should really sue that doctor that dropped you on your head at birth.

I just hope the Dr sterilized him at birth whilst he/she was at it.

[Oscar]

You can easily walk anywhere without breaching the peace. If someone takes any action that is likely to cause a breach of the peace, then it is them and not you who is in the gun. Just take great care to not raise your voice or touch anyone or any thing, and tell them "there will be no breach of the peace."

On the contrary, if you have a binding contract with Air NZ to carry you, their <a href="http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/conditions-of-carriage-for-passengers-and-baggage">terms and conditions of carriage</a> state quite clearly when you may or may not be granted boarding rights. In addition to this, the same terms and conditions state quite clearly that there is no waiver by any person of any restrictions and consequently any rights, including yours, so they are not in any position at all to refuse you boarding rights on any basis other than a breach of their T&C or else they are in breach of contract and liable for such, as well as consequential damages. :violin:

You're getting somewhat ahead of youself.
Notwithstanding this (somewhat silly) explanation about how Air NZ has no right to stop you boarding, please tell us how you first get past the border check?

[nodrog]

I just hope the Dr sterilized him at birth whilst he/she was at it.

I hope you are not easily disapointed?

[Big Dave]

Re the OP.

I'll chuck in $5 for the fare.

[onearmedbandit]

You can easily walk anywhere without breaching the peace. If someone takes any action that is likely to cause a breach of the peace, then it is them and not you who is in the gun. Just take great care to not raise your voice or touch anyone or any thing, and tell them "there will be no breach of the peace."

On the contrary, if you have a binding contract with Air NZ to carry you, their <a href="http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/conditions-of-carriage-for-passengers-and-baggage">terms and conditions of carriage</a> state quite clearly when you may or may not be granted boarding rights. In addition to this, the same terms and conditions state quite clearly that there is no waiver by any person of any restrictions and consequently any rights, including yours, so they are not in any position at all to refuse you boarding rights on any basis other than a breach of their T&C or else they are in breach of contract and liable for such, as well as consequential damages. :violin:

Did you read clause 7.1.2? Now tell me again how you can still board an international flight despite not having followed the laws of the country you are in?

[Str8 Jacket]

Did you read clause 7.1.2? Now tell me again how you can still board an international flight despite not having followed the laws of the country you are in?

I was working for MoJ at the time this was introduced. As soon as you book your flight and you owe a certain sum of $$ to the court an alarm is set off and you will not be able to board your flight. In fact they will (the bailiffs, police) hold the plane on the runway, board the plane and arrest you should you somehow even managed to board the flight.

[Smifffy]

You can easily walk anywhere without breaching the peace. If someone takes any action that is likely to cause a breach of the peace, then it is them and not you who is in the gun. Just take great care to not raise your voice or touch anyone or any thing, and tell them "there will be no breach of the peace."

On the contrary, if you have a binding contract with Air NZ to carry you, their <a href="http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/conditions-of-carriage-for-passengers-and-baggage">terms and conditions of carriage</a> state quite clearly when you may or may not be granted boarding rights. In addition to this, the same terms and conditions state quite clearly that there is no waiver by any person of any restrictions and consequently any rights, including yours, so they are not in any position at all to refuse you boarding rights on any basis other than a breach of their T&C or else they are in breach of contract and liable for such, as well as consequential damages. :violin:

Check out article 7.1.2 under refusal of carriage, 7.1.4 could even do it quite nicely if they were to say "Sir, please go with the nice policeman". 7.1.12 is kinda interesting too - wonder how far someone might want to push tat.

Enjoy your flight. You should get on really well with Rico.

[Mental Trousers]

Whenever I make the slightest comment about improving my lot on this little island, some knuckle dragging (usually of the dole bludging variety) fuckwit tells me to fuck off back to my own country.

So can I keep your trailer then??

[Pussy]

Apart from me needing an interpreter to understand you, you're a good bastard, Stevie! Stay here and enjoy it!!

[Mom]

What were you smoking when you wrote this?:facepalm:

I was thinking about asking you if you'd give me some, but no one needs to be that out of it....

Ignore him, for the most part he posts utter and complete shit, he then whinges to the Mods when people say he is a dick head. I expect to get red rep for this post as he is also a big fan of that mode of getting his own back :weep:

Seriously, ignore him.

[scracha]

I was working for MoJ at the time this was introduced. As soon as you book your flight and you owe a certain sum of $$ to the court an alarm is set off and you will not be able to board your flight. In fact they will (the bailiffs, police) hold the plane on the runway, board the plane and arrest you should you somehow even managed to board the flight.

a) What's the sum that raises the alarm?
b) What info do they need to make a match. Passport number (foreign?), name, DOB, address?
c) So if I make an arrangement to pay :innocent: but don't actually pay anything I can leave.
d) So this country would rather feed, house and pay foreign fine dodgers the dole than just cut their losses and kick them out*.
e) As for Kiwi fine dodgers going on holiday....well the flight and holiday are paid for. They won't get a refund. Fuck, let them go and jail them when they come back.
f) DB's not as crazy as he sounds. Go and research natural law. Nah, fuck that, just go and research your basic rights if the polis stop you or try and come in your house.
g) Wonder if Robert Taylor will help me escape on his private jet.


*Come to think of it, this sounds like an exact reversal of the student loans situation that keeps whordes of the clever Kiwi's from returning. One day they'll wake up, smell the roses and declare a student loans amnesty.

[onearmedbandit]

Fuck off he isn't, he made the claim he'd just bowl on through airport security board his plane and they all can get fucked. I'd like to see someone try that on. Really.

[Kickaha]

f) DB's not as crazy as he sounds.

No, he is a lot lot dumber than he sounds

[FJRider]

Whenever I make the slightest comment about improving my lot on this little island, some knuckle dragging (usually of the dole bludging variety) fuckwit tells me to fuck off back to my own country. So a couple of questions for some of the smarter kiwibikers out there.

1) Can the MoJ stop someone travelling on a non Kiwi passport leaving enzed if they have outstanding fines?

2) Even for Kiwi's, doesn't this violate the NZ Bill of Rights (freedom of movement, :"everyone has the right to leave New Zealand" or summit like that).

3) Surely it would make more sense not to let peeps with outstanding fines/convictions BACK into the country :innocent:

1) YES :killingme

2) NO :whocares:

3) Back in is a different story ... usually they may be "held" untill outstanding "accounts" are paid .. :2thumbsup

[Latte]

All the replies to "chocolate sprinkle" are classic.... I've run out of bling.

Jolly Good :D