Another car-bike crash

[Elysium]

Hopefuly this hasn't been posted yet.

The pics sure do show the force of the collision. I doubt the driver will get to keep his licence concidering his age. No doubt this thread will turn into another Katman & Co Vs the world debate.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4845533/Unreal-crash-sees-victims-fly-through-air

A group of motorcycle riders were left stunned after witnessing a rider and his passenger thrown from a bike when it collided with a car in Upper Moutere yesterday.

The riders were on a recreational Sunday outing when they saw the accident about 2.30pm.

Motorcyclist Garry Ford, who was riding at the front of the group, saw the car pull out of Neudorf Rd on to the Moutere Highway, and the riders swerve to avoid it.

The two vehicles collided and the motorcyclists were thrown from their Triumph cruiser, landing about 10 metres away. "It was the worst thing I've ever seen," Mr Ford said.

Steve Robinson, riding just behind the injured pair, said the bike had hit the car so hard that the front of the car "exploded" in front of him.

"I went `Woah' – and it fell apart. There were bits everywhere. I looked up and the two people were flying through the air, about 15-20 feet [4-6m] high, like rag dolls.

"It was unreal really, to see."

He said it was a reminder to drivers to "be really aware" of motorcyclists. At intersections, drivers often looked directly at motorcyclists but still pulled out.

"They've seen you but it doesn't register ... it just means you have to be careful out there."

Fire and police attended the scene of the crash and cleared a space for the Summit Rescue Helicopter, which landed on the road and then flew the injured 52-year-old Nelson man to Nelson Hospital.

St John intensive care paramedics treated the riders at the scene. St John team leader Jon Leach said the man was in a serious but stable condition with chest injuries and "a fairly serious" break in his upper leg.

His 46-year-old woman pillion passenger was taken to hospital by ambulance, in a stable condition with moderate abdominal injuries. The man and the woman were in a stable condition in the intensive care ward at Nelson Hospital this morning.

The 90-year-old male driver of the car was also taken to hospital with minor injuries.

[JimO]

90 is a bit old to be driving

[Oblivion]

Hopefly this hasn't been posted yet.

The pics sure do show the force of the collision. I doubt the driver will get to keep his licence concidering his age. No doubt this this thread will turn into another Katman & Co Vs the world debate.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4845533/Unreal-crash-sees-victims-fly-through-air

A group of motorcycle riders were left stunned after witnessing a rider and his passenger thrown from a bike when it collided with a car in Upper Moutere yesterday.

The riders were on a recreational Sunday outing when they saw the accident about 2.30pm.

Motorcyclist Garry Ford, who was riding at the front of the group, saw the car pull out of Neudorf Rd on to the Moutere Highway, and the riders swerve to avoid it.

The two vehicles collided and the motorcyclists were thrown from their Triumph cruiser, landing about 10 metres away. "It was the worst thing I've ever seen," Mr Ford said.

Steve Robinson, riding just behind the injured pair, said the bike had hit the car so hard that the front of the car "exploded" in front of him.

"I went `Woah' – and it fell apart. There were bits everywhere. I looked up and the two people were flying through the air, about 15-20 feet [4-6m] high, like rag dolls.

"It was unreal really, to see."

He said it was a reminder to drivers to "be really aware" of motorcyclists. At intersections, drivers often looked directly at motorcyclists but still pulled out.

"They've seen you but it doesn't register ... it just means you have to be careful out there."

Fire and police attended the scene of the crash and cleared a space for the Summit Rescue Helicopter, which landed on the road and then flew the injured 52-year-old Nelson man to Nelson Hospital.

St John intensive care paramedics treated the riders at the scene. St John team leader Jon Leach said the man was in a serious but stable condition with chest injuries and "a fairly serious" break in his upper leg.

His 46-year-old woman pillion passenger was taken to hospital by ambulance, in a stable condition with moderate abdominal injuries. The man and the woman were in a stable condition in the intensive care ward at Nelson Hospital this morning.

The 90-year-old male driver of the car was also taken to hospital with minor injuries.

First thought before anything else was ouch. :shit: I just hope hes okay. But after a collision like that, it might be a miracle if he has minor injuries.

[sil3nt]

There seriously needs to be an age limit for driving. Old people are a danger. I almost got taken out the other day when some old person decided to do a lane change in the middle of a roundabout for no reason (they could have exited fine from their lane).

They may drive more slowly and seem more cautious but they just don't look hard enough.

[Oblivion]

We have a roundabout right outside our house. Its absolutely shocking to see the state of driving by all ages. Elderly people don't look at all before going through, and the idiots with the ego extensions they call "cars" try to rip the handbrake while going round. I'm ashamed that they even built the bloody thing in the first place.

[MSTRS]

There seriously needs to be an age limit for driving. Old people are a danger. I almost got taken out the other day when some old person decided to do a lane change in the middle of a roundabout for no reason (they could have exited fine from their lane).

They may drive more slowly and seem more cautious but they just don't look hard enough.

Advanced age is not a requirement for such driving practices...

I do hear what you are saying, but what age is too old? I know of 80 year olds who can drive rings round 40 year olds. Surely if an appropriate test is passed, then that driver is ok?

[Edbear]

Advanced age is not a requirement for such driving practices...

I do hear what you are saying, but what age is too old? I know of 80 year olds who can drive rings round 40 year olds. Surely if an appropriate test is passed, then that driver is ok?

Fully Agree!:yes:

[\m/]

"Not seeing" one bike is bad enough, but when there is a group, it's a clear sign that the senile old cunt should'nt have been allowed on the road.

[monkeymcbean]

Advanced age is not a requirement for such driving practices...

I do hear what you are saying, but what age is too old? I know of 80 year olds who can drive rings round 40 year olds. Surely if an appropriate test is passed, then that driver is ok?

I don't think they have a appropriate test, if they don't let their licence lapse then they keep driving.
Just like I don't have to resit my test unless i've let the licence lapse.
I reckon everyone should have to resit your license every so often......eek i think ive stuck my neck out here!!! :shutup:

[admenk]

There seriously needs to be an age limit for driving. Old people are a danger. I almost got taken out the other day when some old person decided to do a lane change in the middle of a roundabout for no reason (they could have exited fine from their lane).

They may drive more slowly and seem more cautious but they just don't look hard enough.

You may feel differently when you're that old and the car or bike is your means of independence.

[yachtie10]

Fully Agree!:yes:

I agree

but it probably depends on how close you are to the age:shutup:

[Edbear]

I agree

but it probably depends on how close you are to the age:shutup:

The closer I get the more I agree... :innocent:

[scumdog]

"Not seeing" one bike is bad enough, but when there is a group, it's a clear sign that the senile old cunt should'nt have been allowed on the road.

Maybe that bike was the only one they didn't see?

Doesn't have to be 90 years old to make that mistake.

[NighthawkNZ]

Maybe that bike was the only one they didn't see?

Doesn't have to be 90 years old to make that mistake.

A group of bikes all (now legally have to have there head lights on) in a group can easily hide a bike with the extra light glare it can create... (especially if the bikes were on hi beam ... to those that always ride on hi beam) with out the biker knowing he is hidden with in the group even though he is the lead bike...

Thats one reason I am a against forced lights bikes and now on and cars with day driving lights...

[Str8 Jacket]

State of mind is not an age thing, it is an individual thing. My grandparents (who have since passed) travelled NZ from Cape Reinga to Invercargill in their 80's, they stayed at YHA youth hostels the way there and home with not a worry, they ran their own antique shop until their mid eighties, having to close it when grans hip need replacing.

Grandad used to play violins in rest homes till his late eighties, he used to drive there no worries. Grandad died in his mid 90's he was sharp as a button right up till then, his body gave up on him.

Let's all see how we feel about this when we are "older".....

[HenryDorsetCase]

There seriously needs to be an age limit for driving. Old people are a danger. I almost got taken out the other day when some old person decided to do a lane change in the middle of a roundabout for no reason (they could have exited fine from their lane).

They may drive more slowly and seem more cautious but they just don't look hard enough.

not even that: their vision might be poor, they might have restricted neck movement, meaning they can't swivel their head to look, they likely have fucked hearing, and often the smugness of "Ive been driving 50 (60, 70) yearrs and never had an accident"

When I rule you all (and I will) every driver will be re-tested every five years, to a much more rigorous standard than at present, and anyone over 70 will be tested annually.

Luckily they're usually fairly easy to spot (hats. rugs or hankie boxes on the back parcel shelf, sheepskin seat covers or (allah forbid) a sheepskin steering wheel cover, indecisive driving, slow driving etc. etc.

Doesnt help the poor bastards in hospo though, does it.?

[SPman]

Drivers have to pass a medical - I think it's over 70 and have to pass a driving test every 2 yrs?, or every year, over 80, don't they?

[yachtie10]

Drivers have to pass a medical - I think it's over 70 and have to pass a driving test every 2 yrs?, or every year, over 80, don't they?

far as im aware that was removed by the labour gov
dont know what it is currently

[MSTRS]

http://nzta.govt.nz/licence/renewing-replacing/over-75.html

[yachtie10]

http://nzta.govt.nz/licence/renewing-replacing/over-75.htm

beat me to it

[sil3nt]

http://nzta.govt.nz/licence/renewing-replacing/over-75.htmmissing the l on the end of html

[MSTRS]

Good spotting - fixed

[Ronin]

I have a real problem with the media publishing the pictures with the plate visible. They withhold the name while people are notified but then identify them with that.

[DR650gary]

Travelling through Otaki today on my son's DR200SE, lucky me, a ACMNZ van driven by a mid aged woman looked straight at me then pulled out of her park into the roadway. There was no way of stopping so did the big "Push Pull" and went into the emergency centre and around her. Blared the horn and swore loudly through the helmet and copped a gob full of abuse and the usual "make friends with me" hand signals. I was now in front and unable to get her reg or I would have reported it to the Police, (for fuckall action) but did clock the firm so rang the company this afternoon when I got home. To their credit, they did take note and promised that action will be taken.

I doubt that much will change and I do drive to survive on 2 or 4 wheels but severe evasive action should not be necessary in a shopping precinct. I do not accept that it is "idiot blindness" all the time. I felt that she saw me and thought "fuck you, I'm bigger".

May be wrong but who knows.

[Str8 Jacket]

I do not accept that it is "idiot blindness" all the time. I felt that she saw me and thought "fuck you, I'm bigger".

May be wrong but who knows.

Yep, I have had it happen often. Especially as I commute on a poxy lil 150. Whoever say's size doesn't matter is wrong!

[steelphoenix]

Hope the rider and pillion recover swiftly and completely. Best wishes.

I agree that everyone, not just elderly drivers, need to be more frequently tested - and that better awareness needs to be drummed into people from the get-go. How to achieve this without everyone going up in arms, I have no clue... :facepalm:

Ride safe, everyone.

[Mungatoke Mad]

Maybe that bike was the only one they didn't see?

Doesn't have to be 90 years old to make that mistake.Check out the German Crash proof motorbike on you tube

[baptist]

... rugs or hankie boxes on the back parcel shelf, sheepskin seat covers or (allah forbid) a sheepskin steering wheel cover, indecisive driving, slow driving etc. etc....

Could be an Indian Taxi Driver as well, not sure of the difference in driving standard between the two ...:whistle::innocent:


...I doubt that much will change and I do drive to survive on 2 or 4 wheels but severe evasive action should not be necessary in a shopping precinct. I do not accept that it is "idiot blindness" all the time. I felt that she saw me and thought "fuck you, I'm bigger".

May be wrong but who knows.

I think you are right, Bus drivers around my way seem to be trained in thinking big is best...bikers are mere speed bumps to be driven over...

I feel that age can be a factor in poor driving, testing at 75 and then every few years after may be of benefit, but lets not forget that while a 90 year old has caused this prang many others are caused by teenagers and people in their 20's etc etc. May be every person who causes an accident should be re tested? My fear is younger people (guys and girls), with bullet proof hides in crappy Nissans etc who feel that putting a dumb arse exhaust on a car and cutting the springs to lower it makes them look cool and the car handle better...:mad::mad::bash:, rant over.

[Brian d marge]

not even that: their vision might be poor, they might have restricted neck movement, meaning they can't swivel their head to look, they likely have fucked hearing, and often the smugness of "Ive been driving 50 (60, 70) yearrs and never had an accident"

When I rule you all (and I will) every driver will be re-tested every five years, to a much more rigorous standard than at present, and anyone over 70 will be tested annually.

Luckily they're usually fairly easy to spot (hats. rugs or hankie boxes on the back parcel shelf, sheepskin seat covers or (allah forbid) a sheepskin steering wheel cover, indecisive driving, slow driving etc. etc.

Doesnt help the poor bastards in hospo though, does it.?

and I for one would be crawling past that car , I also note that the motorcyclist were also in there late ,,eer teens, Im smelling 80 /20 here ...( note I would never wish an accident on my worst enemy, not even my wife, its a horrible hurty thing that really should be avoided , hope those two heal up and return to bikes )

On a side note my grandfather , who is still with us , and now is 93 was at 87 a better driver than I am ( don't go there !!!)

Good road craft , safe, but if called upon to get you to the airport quickly and safely ( and feeling safe in the pasanger seat ) , He da man!!!

Now my father 64 on the other hand, is a lazy driver ( drove many many km as part of his job )
HE needs a yellow flashing light on top to warn others, Inattentive , doesn't read road conditions, been there done that ..... you know the sort ...

you don't need to ban older people , just ....

Learn how to drive/ride and forget the Im number one , im da man attitude which may have been ok back when they were draining the swaps for Christchurch , or building benmore, but this is the 21st century , times have changed ...

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

pps

If you treat all care as "pullers outers " and give them no avenue to do so , you stress reduces a lot

eg; a car will pull out on a motorcycle, but it wont pull out on a truck ( normally speaking , trains, not included as cars drivers haven't worked those ones out yet )

soo going through an intersection , follow behind a car ( closely and out of its wheel tracks just in case )

If you cant go through the intersection at a speed which you can stop or in a position that you can not be reached ,,,,,,unless its a rocket car , primed and waiting for action )

works for me , No stress here , no OMG I DIDNT C U ..... all good


Stephen

[Genie]

I've only been riding around here for the last year or so but there are literally hundreds of drivers each day they don't bloody look properly. You are most likely one of them, at some stage in all our driving we fuck it up, stop judging.

As a rider - at the end of the ride you are responible for your own safety, no-one else. Yeah you might not be able to avoid every situation but you need to learn how to read the situation "before" it happens. Not always possible but it's the best that you can do.

I've had moments where a driver has seen me - is looking straight at me - yet will still drive into my path, fortunately I've anticpated their negligence and have ridden accordingly. I've a really loud voice that screams abuse at them and I've been known to shake my first aggressively in their direction....heaven forbide I ever have to actually hit someone for I will surely make them feel some pain.

[NighthawkNZ]

Motion included blindness
http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/mot_mib/index.html

Add in what I said in my last post about lights on and group of bikes it is easy to see how it happens....

Every one, and I mean every one just need to slow down and take a deep breath and take the second or third look, stop being so impatient.

[ajturbo]

90 is a bit old to be driving


well i'm fucked than...:facepalm:

[Owl]

Over the years, we (work) have successfully convinced one elderly driver to surrender his licence. He was our best customer too (crash repair).

His inability to work out why his car wouldn't move was the final straw. He was securely seat-belted in the passenger seat.:facepalm:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Over the years, we (work) have successfully convinced one elderly driver to surrender his licence. He was our best customer too (crash repair).

His inability to work out why his car wouldn't move was the final straw. He was securely seat-belted in the passenger seat.:facepalm:

thats fantastic! :D its funny because he didnt kill anyone. that time...

[MarkH]

You may feel differently when you're that old and the car or bike is your means of independence.

Unfortunately there are people that think that way, but are a menace on the road. I think it is a bad thing that they would lose their independence, but a worse thing if someone else would lose their life.

I think that anyone over 75 should not only have to have a driving test, without needing the recommendation from their doctor. I don't think that it is always easy for a doctor to know that the person is not so good at paying attention to road hazards any more.

[Brian d marge]

Every one, and I mean every one just need to slow down and take a deep breath and take the second or third look, stop being so impatient.

well said that man

( except for sex )

[NighthawkNZ]

( except for sex )

can't argue there...

[cold comfort]

While i can understand the independence aspect there Nelson has been a retirement centre for donkeys years and is infested with hesitant elderly drivers. My late father passed his (geographically limited) licence but i would not drive with him! In the final months of driving the car connected frequently with stationary objects apparently of its own volition! He however was not without insight and admitted to being scared of the traffic but compelled (as a widower) to drive to get to Drs appointments

[puddytat]

Many old folk have difficulty in actually being able to turn thier head left or right enough to see sufficiently well that the road is clear (or there) :blink:due to the fusing of verterbrae in thier necks. :yes:

[Eyegasm]

All I can say is if I make it to 90 years old, I will not care if I drive or not.

Same if I make it to 80.

Being able to walk would be my main concern...